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(CityLab)   If the glass is filling up with U.S. spending on social welfare programs, why is the glass that's going to the poor getting less and less?   (citylab.com) divider line 60
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2014-05-20 12:44:17 PM  
Because the conservatives feel that you should only be in the safety net for just a little while; and if you have the bad luck to need it longer, you should be tossed out and ground underfoot.

After all, only undeserving people end up poor.
 
2014-05-20 12:59:10 PM  
Because social spending is now going disproportionately to the old, who are also disproportionately wealthy.  Young people tend to be poor, and if you live, you usually accumulate wealth.  That's a rough approximation of what's going on.
 
2014-05-20 01:13:21 PM  
/Medicare
 
2014-05-20 01:50:48 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: you usually accumulate wealth.


mylittlefacewhen.com

//the rest isn't far off. Not entirely correct, since the majority of elderly are poor too....and then there's the nursing homes, who solely survive because they take , and in many cases must take, social welfare funding.
 
2014-05-20 02:54:01 PM  
I do want to say that the EITC isn't a bad program.
 
2014-05-20 03:47:09 PM  
Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.
 
2014-05-20 03:50:48 PM  

Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.


Yer so cute.
 
2014-05-20 03:58:40 PM  

Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.


2/10
 
2014-05-20 04:04:27 PM  

cretinbob: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

2/10


How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good?  That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do.  The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.
 
2014-05-20 04:24:36 PM  

Brontes: How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good? That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do. The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.


But...everyone has a body. Well, everyone that I've met.
 
2014-05-20 06:06:33 PM  
The poorest are clearly the laziest. If they weren't so immoral and poor, they would have more money and be better people.

Duh.
 
2014-05-20 06:07:33 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-20 06:13:32 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-20 06:16:20 PM  

Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.


what finished it for me was when he let 9-11 happen on his watch and blamed it on a farking video.

/bad form Mr. President
 
2014-05-20 06:16:25 PM  

Barfmaker: Brontes: How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good? That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do. The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.

But...everyone has a body. Well, everyone that I've met.


As soon as Brontes uploads his consciousness to a cybernetic body, he will have no need of health insurance.
 
2014-05-20 06:16:25 PM  
If the glass is filling up with U.S. spending on social welfare programs, why is the glass that's going to the poor getting less and less?


Hmmmm... could it be because the number of poor people is increasing thanks to the economic recovery where new jobs are mcjobs and even if you work 80 hours a week you are still poor?

Politics is like driving, pick D if you want to go forward and R if you want to go backwards.

/unfortunately even D is like first gear.
 
2014-05-20 06:19:06 PM  

AlgaeRancher: If the glass is filling up with U.S. spending on social welfare programs, why is the glass that's going to the poor getting less and less?


Hmmmm... could it be because the number of poor people is increasing thanks to the economic recovery where new jobs are mcjobs and even if you work 80 hours a week you are still poor?

Politics is like driving, pick D if you want to go forward and R if you want to go backwards.

/unfortunately even D is like first gear.


It would help if reverse gear didn't constantly threaten to set the car on fire whenever the driver shifts away from it.
 
2014-05-20 06:20:30 PM  

AlgaeRancher: If the glass is filling up with U.S. spending on social welfare programs, why is the glass that's going to the poor getting less and less?


Hmmmm... could it be because the number of poor people is increasing thanks to the economic recovery where new jobs are mcjobs and even if you work 80 hours a week you are still poor?

Politics is like driving, pick D if you want to go forward and R if you want to go backwards.

/unfortunately even D is like first gear.


D for drive & R for reverse.

you can't make this stuff up people!
 
2014-05-20 06:23:35 PM  
You remember 7th grade when the math teacher explained exoponential growth with the breeding bunnies?

/He could have just substituted poor people.
//Or southerners.
///But I repeat myself.
 
2014-05-20 06:35:07 PM  

Isitoveryet: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

what finished it for me was when he let 9-11 happen on his watch and blamed it on a farking video.

/bad form Mr. President


Slow clap for you sir ;)
 
2014-05-20 06:47:58 PM  
FARK: the liberal bastion of hedonism.
 
2014-05-20 06:56:16 PM  

Brontes: cretinbob: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

2/10

How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good?  That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do.  The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.


Poor people don't have bodies?
 
2014-05-20 06:57:03 PM  

anfrind: Barfmaker: Brontes: How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good? That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do. The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.

But...everyone has a body. Well, everyone that I've met.

As soon as Brontes uploads his consciousness to a cybernetic body, he will have no need of health insurance.


A commodore Vic 20?
 
2014-05-20 07:08:41 PM  
Think of it as a glass of beer and the government employees and contractors who promised to deliver the beer to the freshman (the poor) are frat boys.  What do you think happens?
 
2014-05-20 07:09:24 PM  
cdn.theatlantic.com

blogs.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-05-20 07:11:36 PM  

Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.


at first I thought you were a troll alt just based on your Rush Limbaugh word salad, then I saw your totalfark and realized you've had the same account since I was 17 years old and live in Texas....

... so, just in case anyone else was wondering,  Brontes really is an honest to goodness talking point spouting rube. Thanks a lot, bro, you're part of the problem.
 
2014-05-20 07:11:41 PM  
And thus the fabled Left/Right divide does exactly as our leaders and overlords intended; you can't debate social welfare spending without it becoming a yelling match where everyone who's for it is a Solid American Looking To Help Our Citizens in Need vs. Corporatist Ogre Who Wants To Crush The Poor And Eat Their Bones.

I absolutely want to help folks in the lower income strata of our nation. First, we need to build a real mental-health care system that does something for the most acutely suffering folks who are homeless. This would cut crime, it would lower the overall cost of social services and it would clean up the massive pockets of homeless people in our cities (modern homeless is a mental health/addiction issue, for the most part).

Even at this most basic level though; we find way to spend massively on these endeavors without much actually going to help those the programs are targeted to help/protect. Example:

I live in the nice part of Portland (the Pearl) in a 2005 built loft/condo building. Yea, so I'm kind of a flipping yuppie. This building was constructed at the height of the housing boom and cost the developer roughly $25 Million to design, construct, outfit and bring into operation - at a time when everyone from architects to plumbers to drywallers were knee deep in work and not very motivated to give much of a discount.

In 2009, the city started building the Budd Clark Commons 10 blocks away from me. It is roughly half the size of my building and is a multi-service social outreach facility with dining facilities, a medical clinic, showers, offices for social workers and ~120 small apartments. Budd Clark Commons is less than half the size of my building and it was constructed when the economy was at it's bottom. Those builders who were fat with work when my place went up were in the middle of layoffs and discounting heavily to find *any* work.

Yet, the Budd Clark Commons was built for $48 Million. That's more than 4x per square foot of building than a luxury condo just 10 blocks away. Where the hell did all that extra money go?

I suspect this is one of about a million examples of how Federal/State/Local government just blow through cash, spending $4 for every $1 of actual services that wind up helping people. We need to stop having this stupid debate about compassion vs. greed and start having one about efficiency.
 
2014-05-20 07:12:17 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Brontes: cretinbob: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

2/10

How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good?  That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do.  The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.

Poor people don't have bodies?


Well, poor people tend to have lots of debts, and in some third-world countries, people have been known to sell organs in order to raise money to pay off loans.  Ergo, poor people don't own their own bodies.

Checkmate, libs.
 
2014-05-20 07:35:32 PM  
Wow, that was a fast deletion, mods!
 
2014-05-20 07:36:26 PM  

Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.


When even other right wing troll accounts are calling out your trolling, you might want to reevaluate your life.
 
2014-05-20 07:48:27 PM  
...because bureaucracy and waste are typical in socialistic ventures?
 
2014-05-20 07:49:52 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Brontes: cretinbob: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

2/10

How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good?  That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do.  The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.

Poor people don't have bodies?


Poor people don't get sick. Only healthy rich people get sick.

I think.
 
2014-05-20 08:03:06 PM  

anfrind: As soon as Brontes uploads his consciousness to a cybernetic body, he will have no need of health insurance.


I've got a Roomba that I wouldn't mind parting with. It'll be a transition thing until the robots take control.
 
2014-05-20 08:04:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: machodonkeywrestler: Brontes: cretinbob: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

2/10

How is buying car insurance when you don't have a car good?  That is exactly what the ACA is forcing poor people to do.  The freemarket had everything worked out well, but now we have another Fannie / Freddie / Student Loan on our hands.

Poor people don't have bodies?

Poor people don't get sick. Only healthy rich people get sick.

I think.


In a conservative utopia, a poor person who gets sick is recognized as a burden on society, and becomes a live organ donor for rich people who can afford health insurance.
 
2014-05-20 08:14:06 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: anfrind: As soon as Brontes uploads his consciousness to a cybernetic body, he will have no need of health insurance.

I've got a Roomba that I wouldn't mind parting with. It'll be a transition thing until the robots take control.


That would actually be kind of amusing.  Brontes signs up for a cybernetic operation, expecting that when he wakes up, he'll be a real-life version of the Six Million Dollar Man.  But when the power comes on, he notices that things aren't quite as he expected.  Like a man recovering from a stroke, he takes an inventory of his limbs and senses, and finally gasps in horror, "Oh my god, I'm a vacuum cleaner!"
 
2014-05-20 08:53:18 PM  
Because thieves go where the money is, and in particular to where the money is being watched the least carefully.

Nelson Rockefeller had this figured out 50 years ago when he was governor of New York at the time Medicaid was being set up. The more bells and whistles a state added to the program, the more money a state got from DC - so Rocky made sure NY had the biggest program around, figuring correctly that nobody would be too much of a stickler about oversight for (let alone cut) a program branded as "for the poor", even if most of those billions never actually made it to the poor in the form of services better than what they'd find in the other 49 states.

Fast forward 50 years and New York  still spends the most on Medicaid. It's somewhere close to $60 billion now, or more depending on how you count the money. Somehow we spend more than Calfornia, which has twice the population. But suggest that there might be waste in New York's Medicaid program and the NYC Democrats and downstate Republicans come out with the long knives. The hospitals, nursing homes and unions don't like that kind of talk.

It has yet to dawn on anybody (anybody elected, anyway) that a poor family could have a pretty solid health insurance policy for 4x$12K a year.
 
2014-05-20 08:57:42 PM  
CTRL-F "middle class"...nope
"wage"...nothin'
"salary"...nada

Okay.  How about BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING POOR EVERY YEAR BECAUSE CORPORATE CULTURE DECLARED WAR ON THE MIDDLE CLASS?  Does that answer TFH's question?
 
2014-05-20 09:03:31 PM  

Gulper Eel: It has yet to dawn on anybody (anybody elected, anyway) that a poor family could have a pretty solid health insurance policy for 4x$12K a year.


Shiat. Left the math out. There's about five million recipients - divide them by the $60b and you get the $12K.
 
2014-05-20 09:28:35 PM  
If you really think social security and Medicare spending are welfare I would be very happy to keep the $15k or so a year that my employer and I pay in.
 
2014-05-20 10:00:05 PM  

abb3w: Because the conservatives feel that you should only be in the safety net for just a little while; and if you have the bad luck to need it longer, you should be tossed out and ground underfoot.

After all, only undeserving people end up poor.


What they really believe is that there should be no safety net at all. They want a dog eat dog user pays society in which the poor will just conveniently die.

If there was any justice in the universe these rat bastards would each suffer a personal trauma of some sort that left them unemployable and broke - after they had successfully dismantled welfare. But there is no justice and the reality is that the world belongs to the most ruthless among us.
 
2014-05-20 10:15:09 PM  
I am sure that, despite the fact that the Democrats are in power, Fark Liberals will assure us that the Republicans are to blame and they, themselves, are powerless to do anything except hire more experts to study the problem.
 
2014-05-20 10:39:42 PM  

TheBigJerk: CTRL-F "middle class"...nope
"wage"...nothin'
"salary"...nada

Okay.  How about BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING POOR EVERY YEAR BECAUSE CORPORATE CULTURE DECLARED WAR ON THE MIDDLE CLASS?  Does that answer TFH's question?


Yeah, who would have thought declining wages and the increasing costs of education, healthcare and housing would burden the safety net.
 
2014-05-20 11:03:55 PM  
I heard that we spend $6 trillion a month on welfare and we already surrendered to Iran
 
2014-05-20 11:49:20 PM  

OgreMagi: Think of it as a glass of beer and the government employees and contractors who promised to deliver the beer to the freshman (the poor) are frat boys.  What do you think happens?


Those government employees with their sweet sweet 70k salaries?
 
2014-05-21 12:07:14 AM  
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
 
2014-05-21 12:15:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: "Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."


If Scrooge said that at CPAC, he'd get a standing ovation.
 
2014-05-21 12:34:26 AM  
Um, subby? Because social welfare is a stop gap method where the benefits are basically chickenfeed compared to good wage-paying jobs.

Now if you want to ask how big business manages to profit insanely while not actually hiring, especially everyday people who aren't skilled with some stupid specialized career plan, that's a far better question.

Big business gets a hell of a deal through labor exploitation.
 
2014-05-21 02:13:50 AM  

Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.


Either 10/10 or you're a deluded moron.
 
2014-05-21 02:18:09 AM  

inclemency: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

Either 10/10 or you're a deluded moron.


He's a deluded moron because you can't face the truth? The ACA screws the poor for the exact reasons that Farker stated. Deal with it.
 
2014-05-21 02:50:44 AM  

TerminalEchoes: inclemency: Brontes: Because ACORN and there ilk skims a bunch off the top.  The graft of this administration is at insane levels.  I mean, wtf is wrong with Obama and his spending?  His 2008 budget is a disaster for spending and it only gets worse in 2012.  He then fires up the printing presses and proceeds to dole out money to Wall$treet while pretending to be for the poor.  Finally, he passes the ACA which screws the poor even more by forcing them to pay money that they don't have for insurance which they only need in an emergency.

Well done Obama, well done.

Either 10/10 or you're a deluded moron.

He's a deluded moron because you can't face the truth? The ACA screws the poor for the exact reasons that Farker stated. Deal with it.


Sorry, if I understand correctly (I am very, very stupid so pander to me) you see health care as an overwhelming burden on the poor that they neither want or need because 'hey, there's no guarantee I'll get sick and jus' think how many scratchies I could buy if that damned overreaching gubmint would just stay out msh business', yes?

I see the fact that a huge percentage of 'the greatest nation on Earth' can't afford health insurance AND people like you not thinking that is completely unacceptable very strong evidence of a serious moral quandry.

But hey, you guys even privitize prisons, why should I assume a large enough majority of you would push money out of the picture when talking about fellow humans? I guess I was just being naive.
 
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