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(The New Republic)   The bad news: 148 migrant workers have already died from heat while building Qatar's World Cup facilities. The worse news: They've only started work on one of the 12 stadiums they need to build   (newrepublic.com) divider line 95
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2014-05-20 12:54:17 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-20 12:59:08 PM  
You know what would be nice?  If the rest of the planet decided not to go.
 
2014-05-20 01:27:44 PM  

i.imgur.com


It's as if the Pharaohs have returned.

 
2014-05-20 01:29:31 PM  
If there's one thing I learned about when visiting the Arabian Gulf countries, it is indentured servitude and extreme heat and humidity.  Well I guess that's three things, but one of them was definitely a disdainful system of indentured servitude for "third-country nationals" as we military types referred to them.  The Qataris will pay their blood money tribute to the families of the fallen (a few $Gs maybe) and move on.
 
2014-05-20 01:53:56 PM  

factoryconnection: If there's one thing I learned about when visiting the Arabian Gulf countries, it is indentured servitude and extreme heat and humidity.  Well I guess that's three things, but one of them was definitely a disdainful system of indentured servitude for "third-country nationals" as we military types referred to them.  The Qataris will pay their blood money tribute to the families of the fallen (a few $Gs maybe) and move on.


Slaves are slaves, no matter the label.
Not sure why it surprises us when people with no rights are treated like people with no rights.
Worse, how bad was it in their home country that risk of death abroad was an improvement?
 
2014-05-20 02:03:21 PM  
F*ck Qatar.

F*ck Sepp Blatter.

End this f*cking gongshow now and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, like they should have in the first f*cking place.
 
2014-05-20 02:14:04 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: You know what would be nice?  If the rest of the planet decided not to go.


I still see them filling the stadiums with people from all over the Arab world. They're used screaming and heat. Maybe throw in a few Arizonans.
 
2014-05-20 02:17:31 PM  

namatad: Worse, how bad was it in their home country that risk of death abroad was an improvement?


These people are recruited for construction, food&bev, hospitality, entertainment and other service industry work and it isn't made to seem quite so sh*tty as it is.  Then they get to Qatar or UAE or Bahrain and their passports/visas are seized by their bosses and they can't leave.  They are indebted to their bosses for the cost of travel, room and board and basically stuck with no recourse and a government that couldn't give a sh*t.

Maybe you already know this.  I'm certain most people don't.
 
2014-05-20 02:20:54 PM  

factoryconnection: namatad: Worse, how bad was it in their home country that risk of death abroad was an improvement?

These people are recruited for construction, food&bev, hospitality, entertainment and other service industry work and it isn't made to seem quite so sh*tty as it is.  Then they get to Qatar or UAE or Bahrain and their passports/visas are seized by their bosses and they can't leave.  They are indebted to their bosses for the cost of travel, room and board and basically stuck with no recourse and a government that couldn't give a sh*t.

Maybe you already know this.  I'm certain most people don't.


yup, I did.
which is why I called them slaves.
Indentured servant is just a more polite phrase for the same thing.
Debtor prisons in India same type of problem.
Passing debt on from father to son, same type of problem.

It is amazing how different the parts of the world are that have bankruptcy protection vs the rest.
While I hate some of the scams that happen with bankruptcy (companies raiding their pension funds and then going bankrupt for example), in the end, it is much better than that alternatives.
 
2014-05-20 02:34:11 PM  

Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

F*ck Sepp Blatter.

End this f*cking gongshow now and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, like they should have in the first f*cking place.


FIFA needs to get their mind out of the Qatar.
 
2014-05-20 02:36:51 PM  

namatad: Indentured servant is just a more polite phrase for the same thing.


I wasn't aware that indentured servitude had any sort of positive connotation, as opposed to conjuring up accurate images of abject debt slavery like we used to have a lot of in our country, from the straight-up IS practice in colonial times to the "company store" era of industrial and mining towns that spawned the labor movement.
 
2014-05-20 03:15:29 PM  
While my Qatar gently weeps.
 
2014-05-20 03:18:38 PM  

factoryconnection: namatad: Indentured servant is just a more polite phrase for the same thing.

I wasn't aware that indentured servitude had any sort of positive connotation, as opposed to conjuring up accurate images of abject debt slavery like we used to have a lot of in our country, from the straight-up IS practice in colonial times to the "company store" era of industrial and mining towns that spawned the labor movement.


lol
true ... but ....

the thing about indentured servant is that you can pretend that they are not slaves. you could "argue" that they could some day work their way out of debt and be free. whereas a slave doesnt have that path to freedom.

of course this argument is a lie. but people still used that premise in defending indenture.

the choice of which phrase to use determines how people will react.
END SLAVERY IN QATAR!! Might lead people to reading an article on the topic.
End indentured service in Qatar. Meh, most people just move on and dont care. "If they didnt want to be an indentured servant, they should never have signed up."

words have power
 
2014-05-20 03:19:31 PM  

Snarfangel: While my Qatar gently weeps.


dammit
I probably will need to steal that.
 
2014-05-20 03:19:41 PM  
37.media.tumblr.com

I bet they're rich enough to give each of their workers temperature-controlled jacuzzi suits. But they won't.

/bastards
 
2014-05-20 03:23:36 PM  

miss diminutive: [37.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

I bet they're rich enough to give each of their workers temperature-controlled jacuzzi suits. But they won't.

/bastards


hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
2014-05-20 03:29:26 PM  
How much is 148 migrant workers in North American?
 
2014-05-20 03:57:08 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How much is 148 migrant workers in North American?


About 50 Mexicans.
 
2014-05-20 04:07:02 PM  

Diogenes: I_Am_Weasel: How much is 148 migrant workers in North American?

About 50 Mexicans.


Jokes aside, they are typically very small due to scarcity of food and healthcare in their home countries like Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.  It is quite alarming at first to see the work crews manned by such small dudes.
 
2014-05-20 04:14:38 PM  

factoryconnection: Diogenes: I_Am_Weasel: How much is 148 migrant workers in North American?

About 50 Mexicans.

Jokes aside, they are typically very small due to scarcity of food and healthcare in their home countries like Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.  It is quite alarming at first to see the work crews manned by such small dudes.


I was joking in a way, too.  Standard of living is higher here and in Mexico.

We will ultimately run out of countries from which to exploit cheap labor.  Certainly not stopping my very own company from trying, though.
 
2014-05-20 05:55:04 PM  
1. I don't even know where Qatar is.

2. Pretty arrogant to call something the "World" cup when Americans don't really care about it.
 
2014-05-20 06:04:04 PM  
Nobody will want to play Qatar anymore.
 
2014-05-20 06:04:13 PM  
It's the Middle East. I am completely unshocked.
 
2014-05-20 06:07:12 PM  

factoryconnection: Diogenes: I_Am_Weasel: How much is 148 migrant workers in North American?

About 50 Mexicans.

Jokes aside, they are typically very small due to scarcity of food and healthcare in their home countries like Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.  It is quite alarming at first to see the work crews manned by such small dudes.


Plenty of those small dudes are children I'm sure. I can't believe athletes aren't refusing to attend. I wouldn't want to play football on turf that was watered by blood.
 
2014-05-20 06:07:20 PM  

factoryconnection: If there's one thing I learned about when visiting the Arabian Gulf countries, it is indentured servitude and extreme heat and humidity.  Well I guess that's three things, but one of them was definitely a disdainful system of indentured servitude for "third-country nationals" as we military types referred to them.  The Qataris will pay their blood money tribute to the families of the fallen (a few $Gs maybe) and move on.


The only good thing is that there's actually a low humidity.
 
2014-05-20 06:07:22 PM  
How many more people will die from boredom while watching that awful sport?
 
2014-05-20 06:07:39 PM  

calbert: 1. I don't even know where Qatar is.

2. Pretty arrogant to call something the "World" cup when Americans don't really care about it.


Qatar is just southeast of Florida. That's where Castro is king.

As to the World Cup, you'd have a better argument if the US never sent anyone. We usually hire a coach and send some guys who just graduated college. We might end up doing something in 20-30 years when my kids are grown up, but soccer is such a niche sport it's hard to find a kid who played past 8.

Now off to my union-protected factory job at the GM plant.
 
2014-05-20 06:09:30 PM  
What are they gonna do with the stadiums afterwards? Why not, ya know, have it where there already are facilities to accommodate it...?
 
2014-05-20 06:10:23 PM  

calbert: 1. I don't even know where Qatar is.

2. Pretty arrogant to call something the "World" cup when Americans don't really care about it.


You still participate.

Unlike when USA wins the world cup in sports only itself participates in.

/I know you're trolling.
 
2014-05-20 06:11:26 PM  
Qatar will bring down the current FIFA board if they are still in power when the shiat hits the fan, not that i expect them to be , i figure they step down just after their last chance to pick up bribes before the Qatar world cup.
 
2014-05-20 06:11:59 PM  

0per: Nobody will want to play Qatar anymore.


Oh right, that actually made me realise.

You know the host nation is automaticly qualified?

So Qatar gets three matches, assuming they loose all three.
 
2014-05-20 06:12:09 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What are they gonna do with the stadiums afterwards? Why not, ya know, have it where there already are facilities to accommodate it...?


Theoretically they are supposed to be modular and can be deconstructed and sent elsewhere after the WC. That being said, I doubt they are built to spec. They were supposed to be climate controlled as well.
 
2014-05-20 06:16:00 PM  

calbert: 1. I don't even know where Qatar is.

2. Pretty arrogant to call something the "World" cup when Americans don't really care about it.


Less arrogant than the "World Series."
 
2014-05-20 06:17:03 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What are they gonna do with the stadiums afterwards? Why not, ya know, have it where there already are facilities to accommodate it...?


Didn't you here, they are building the stadiums in a modular design that can be disassembled and sent to poor countries after the world cup is over.  No word on if they get the air conditioning and cloud generation capabilities to keep the heat down as well?  As much as this looks like it will be a disaster, the checks have cleared and Qatar is willing to kill as many as it takes to get the building constructed to hole the event so this will happen. There is a better chance of them moving the World Cup to winter than there is of the US getting it.  After all, there isn't much money to be made in bribes and kickbacks when you are using prebuilt stadiums, hotels, transportation, etc.
 
2014-05-20 06:20:31 PM  
Actually the best part is that the entire bid is based on someone inventing OUTDOOR AIR CONDITIONING in the next 4 years.  Otherwise there is no way the players will survive the heat in Qatar for the World Cup.  That's literally their plan, hope that someone invents outdoor air conditioning before the World Cup.
 
2014-05-20 06:20:34 PM  

Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

F*ck Sepp Blatter.

End this f*cking gongshow now and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, like they should have in the first f*cking place.


The World Cup in the US?  Who would go?  It barely registers on the radar over here.
 
2014-05-20 06:23:00 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-20 06:25:18 PM  

calbert: 1. I don't even know where Qatar is.

2. Pretty arrogant to call something the "World" cup when Americans don't really care about it.


Like how the rest of the planet gives a damn about the "World" Series?
 
2014-05-20 06:26:54 PM  

Ebenator: How many more people will die from boredom while watching that awful sport?


Plenty!  But, it's the "Beautiful Game"!  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What about the "Wonder Juice", that they spray on a guy who's rolling around like he has a fractured tibia, and what do you know, he's OK and playing again. They should patent that stuff, and let everybody else use it..
 
2014-05-20 06:27:07 PM  

bingo the psych-o: Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

F*ck Sepp Blatter.

End this f*cking gongshow now and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, like they should have in the first f*cking place.

The World Cup in the US?  Who would go?  It barely registers on the radar over here.


Yes, like the best attended, most financially successful World Cup in history in 1994. That one.
 
2014-05-20 06:27:18 PM  

bingo the psych-o: Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

F*ck Sepp Blatter.

End this f*cking gongshow now and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, like they should have in the first f*cking place.

The World Cup in the US?  Who would go?  It barely registers on the radar over here.


You mean like the fully packed stadiums in 1994?

You know nothing.  I'd really enjoy going to another world cup hosted here in the states.
 
2014-05-20 06:29:06 PM  

Trocadero: bingo the psych-o: Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

F*ck Sepp Blatter.

End this f*cking gongshow now and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, like they should have in the first f*cking place.

The World Cup in the US?  Who would go?  It barely registers on the radar over here.

Yes, like the best attended, most financially successful World Cup in history in 1994. That one.


That was fun. I had enough beer that I barely remember much. But it was fun.
 
2014-05-20 06:32:59 PM  

factoryconnection: namatad: Indentured servant is just a more polite phrase for the same thing.

I wasn't aware that indentured servitude had any sort of positive connotation, as opposed to conjuring up accurate images of abject debt slavery like we used to have a lot of in our country, from the straight-up IS practice in colonial times to the "company store" era of industrial and mining towns that spawned the labor movement.


Generally, colonial IS was pretty cut and dried, in that you agreed to written terms beforehand, and those terms were followed, including a set period of indenture.  Debt-peonage - where they keep nickel-and-diming you to add to your length of service was generally for Native Americans and/or Africans.  Probably a good quarter of European immigrants in the colonial period came over indentures - as we know there was not some vast collection of white slaves in the colonies.  Probably one reason for the fairly honest adherence to indenture terms was simply the ease in getting new recruits (because of the desire of people to immigrate, jerking around people wasn't worth it when you could let one go, get a new one, and be seen as good to your word by simply hewing to the indenture terms), and the ease in which a European IS could disappear into the general population (screw him too hard, and he could move three towns over and you would be out the labor and the money; better to make finishing out the indenture less of a hassle than the relocation).

Now, debt-peonage and the company-store?  God's own Christ, that was nasty shiat.

BTW, this stuff is usually referred to as non-free labor (free labor being when they pay you a straight wage in acknowledged money), because it does fall along a spectrum from things just short of free labor all the way to permanent chattel slavery.  And even slavery encompasses a wildly broad range of practices, so saying "X is slavery!" is essentially meaningless without rather specific details, since an African held as non-human property in Barbados was a slave, and the Mamluk ruler of Egypt was also a slave; one was a sort of disposable, organic combine harvester, and the other pretty much held a couple million free people's lives in his hand as he saw fit - lumping both together as indistinguishable is absurd at best.
 
2014-05-20 06:33:16 PM  
It's soccer. Who cares? Hopefully, this whole ordeal will cause a boycott of all FIFA games on any American channel.


Worst. Sport. Ever.

www.techremedy.net
 
2014-05-20 06:33:31 PM  
So... some shiatheel peninsula country that's only notable because of oil money flowing through is supposed to magically create world-class and world-spec facilities?  Cuz that's happened in the history of ever?
 
2014-05-20 06:34:08 PM  

spawn73: 0per: Nobody will want to play Qatar anymore.

Oh right, that actually made me realise.

You know the host nation is automaticly qualified?

So Qatar gets three matches, assuming they loose all three.


Grrrrrrrrrrr
 
2014-05-20 06:36:00 PM  
Can't wait to see this disaster unfold. This is the best example of polishing a turd since Sochi...
 
2014-05-20 06:36:28 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: So... some shiatheel peninsula country that's only notable because of oil money flowing through is supposed to magically create world-class and world-spec facilities?  Cuz that's happened in the history of ever?


The Valyrians found dragons....
 
2014-05-20 06:41:09 PM  

frankmanhog: Actually the best part is that the entire bid is based on someone inventing OUTDOOR AIR CONDITIONING in the next 4 years.  Otherwise there is no way the players will survive the heat in Qatar for the World Cup.  That's literally their plan, hope that someone invents outdoor air conditioning before the World Cup.


Really? That's insane. I can see the heat in Qatar has affected their brains, but what's everyone else's excuse for agreeing that this is a legitimate strategy?
 
2014-05-20 06:41:29 PM  
According to this article,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/qatar-begins-work-on-first-wor ld -cup-stadium/5466306

Work only began on the first stadium now.  Like, today.
 
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