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(Bloomberg)   China hits back at America's indictments of its citizens with suspension of cyber security cooperation. Good thing we didn't give up control of the world wide interwebs during times like these. Oh shiat, wait   (bloomberg.com) divider line 56
    More: Interesting, People's Liberation Army, U.S., Chinese military, Edward Snowden, cooperation, host computers, information office, Wen Jiabao  
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2014-05-20 01:30:15 PM  
Points:

1) China would steal your 5 year old brother's penny collection if they could get away with it.

2) "Given up control of the world wide interwebs" I think means nothing more than the ability to create new URLs...not the end of the world. If this was what you were referring to subby.

3) Fark China, those thieving scum.

4) The farking cyber-security co-operation was a joke to begin with...please see point #1.

5) Fark China.
 
2014-05-20 02:20:34 PM  

gopher321: Points:

1) China would steal your 5 year old brother's penny collection if they could get away with it.

2) "Given up control of the world wide interwebs" I think means nothing more than the ability to create new URLs...not the end of the world. If this was what you were referring to subby.

3) Fark China, those thieving scum.

4) The farking cyber-security co-operation was a joke to begin with...please see point #1.

5) Fark China.


I'd just like to emphasize points 3 and 5 of your argument, for good measure.
 
2014-05-20 02:22:21 PM  
Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.
 
2014-05-20 05:13:05 PM  

PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.


That's because they're good enough to not get caught.  You don't survive like they have if you're not good.

I still don't trust those sneaky Canadians.  I know for a fact they want our women the way we want their donuts
 
2014-05-20 05:14:11 PM  
They're trying to get the KFC recipe. Good luck with that one China!
 
2014-05-20 05:16:14 PM  
Hello Comcast would you like access to a 1.3 billion customers? Just throttle this list of your US customers.
 
2014-05-20 05:18:43 PM  
 American cyber security ,forget about it ...hey look it's Joe Biden and his Trans -Am  img.fark.net
 
2014-05-20 05:19:38 PM  
China, what a shiathole.
 
2014-05-20 05:20:32 PM  
What's with China throwing a hissy fit every time they are caught doing something wrong?
 
2014-05-20 05:20:57 PM  
The secret is love.
 
2014-05-20 05:23:38 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: gopher321: Points:

1) China would steal your 5 year old brother's penny collection if they could get away with it.

2) "Given up control of the world wide interwebs" I think means nothing more than the ability to create new URLs...not the end of the world. If this was what you were referring to subby.

3) Fark China, those thieving scum.

4) The farking cyber-security co-operation was a joke to begin with...please see point #1.

5) Fark China.

I'd just like to emphasize points 3 and 5 of your argument, for good measure.


Whie I agree with the points you chose to emphasize, I think point 4 also bears repeating.

Because China would not only "pretend" to cooperate, but also be arrogant enough to think that no one would figure out that they were only paying lip service.
 
2014-05-20 05:25:28 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: What's with China throwing a hissy fit every time they are caught doing something wrong?


Because they can't hide behind evidence and actual discussion about what the hell we would want to steal from China. Yeah let's steal those Bolex watch plans. We definitely spy on them, and more than likely check out what they're up to, but any actual corporate theft would more than likely be going in and deleting the files they already stole.
 
2014-05-20 05:25:38 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.

That's because they're good enough to not get caught.  You don't survive like they have if you're not good.

I still don't trust those sneaky Canadians.  I know for a fact they want our women the way we want their donuts


Timmy's donuts are no longer made fresh on-site. The Iced Capp is still good.

/used to like freshly made, assorted Timbits
 
2014-05-20 05:26:29 PM  

Gonz: ecmoRandomNumbers: gopher321: Points:

1) China would steal your 5 year old brother's penny collection if they could get away with it.

2) "Given up control of the world wide interwebs" I think means nothing more than the ability to create new URLs...not the end of the world. If this was what you were referring to subby.

3) Fark China, those thieving scum.

4) The farking cyber-security co-operation was a joke to begin with...please see point #1.

5) Fark China.

I'd just like to emphasize points 3 and 5 of your argument, for good measure.

Whie I agree with the points you chose to emphasize, I think point 4 also bears repeating.

Because China would not only "pretend" to cooperate, but also be arrogant enough to think that no one would figure out that they were only paying lip service.


Also the Russian model.
 
2014-05-20 05:30:32 PM  

PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.


France is high on the list, too.
 
2014-05-20 05:39:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.

That's because they're good enough to not get caught.  You don't survive like they have if you're not good.


Except that they get caught out all the freakin' time. It's just that it never gets widely reported and the U.S. consistently looks the other way.
 
2014-05-20 05:41:47 PM  
OK...so China's defense is that we do it too.  Our defense is that yeah, we do it, but we don't use the information we collect for the betterment of our commercial interests.  Solution:  Start using our spy hacking for the betterment of our commercial interests.  Duh.

I can't understand why we don't already.  Its blindingly stupid.
 
2014-05-20 05:41:49 PM  
Sure is a whole lotta, "Fark China" in here. They do suck, but they have a point.

NSA 'engaged in industrial espionage' - Snowden

Glenn Greenwald: how the NSA tampers with US-made internet routers
 
2014-05-20 05:42:35 PM  
We used to call it Communist Red China, and bid them hello with our Howitzers.

However, Jimmy Carter had other ideas... that scamp.
 
2014-05-20 05:42:50 PM  
You can't hide behind the Great Firewall of China, forever!
 
2014-05-20 05:43:10 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.

That's because they're good enough to not get caught.  You don't survive like they have if you're not good.

I still don't trust those sneaky Canadians.  I know for a fact they want our women the way we want their donuts


As a Canadian living in GA, I firmly deny any and all of those allegations.

/well, ok it's mostly true. I'll take some of the beer as well.
 
2014-05-20 05:47:54 PM  
If our politicans had the balls (and weren't paid for stooges), they would take away China's most favored nation trade status.  Sure, your cheap plastic junk from Walmart would cost a few pennies more, but fark Walmart and fark China.
 
2014-05-20 05:49:22 PM  

farkin_Gary: We used to call it Communist Red China, and bid them hello with our Howitzers.

However, Jimmy Carter had other ideas... that scamp.


upload.wikimedia.org
Mao: Hi, I'm Mao Tse Tung.
Nixon: Hi, I'm Jimmy Carter!
 
2014-05-20 05:51:38 PM  

tinyarena: farkin_Gary: We used to call it Communist Red China, and bid them hello with our Howitzers.

However, Jimmy Carter had other ideas... that scamp.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 360x290]
Mao: Hi, I'm Mao Tse Tung.
Nixon: Hi, I'm Jimmy Carter!


Old Vulcan proverb, "Only Nixon could go to China."
 
2014-05-20 05:54:10 PM  
So if China stops "cooperating" in an anti-hacking effort would there really be any difference?

China is gonna be so farked when the realize they've stolen or copied most everything will have to create something new for the first time in 1000 years
 
2014-05-20 05:57:13 PM  
headline should read;

China Hits Back, Breaks Own Thumb.!
 
2014-05-20 06:03:47 PM  
Whatever, China.

I blocked APNIC on all my routers like 5 years ago.  Not a single issue so far.  Imagine that.
 
2014-05-20 06:05:24 PM  
OgreMagi:
Old Vulcan proverb, "Only Nixon could go to China."


Well, in my defense, I never suggested that Nixon wasn't a dolt...however...

Carter continued to expand American contacts with communist China, granting the communist regime formal diplomatic recognition on January 1, 1979. To do so required the severing of diplomatic ties and withdrawal of recognition of non-communist Taiwan (also known as the Republic of China). Moreover, Carter unilaterally revoked the 1955 Mutual Defense Treaty with the Republic of China, effective January 1, 1980. Carter's treaty abrogation was challenged in the federal courts by conservative Republicans. In the federal district court his opponent's won. However, in an appeals court the government's position that Carter had the power to abrogate the treaty without Senate consent prevailed. The Supreme Court then threw the entire case out without rendering any decision (on a technicality involving the standing to sue of Republican Senator Barry Goldwater), thus leaving the constitutional victory with the president by default. Carter's recognition of China significantly reduced tensions in East Asia. Hard-liners in China were replaced by communists who were more interested in economic growth than in military confrontations. Beneficial trade relations were established between China and the U.S., leading to huge imports of finished consumer goods from China, in return for U.S. lumber and foodstuffs.
 
2014-05-20 06:11:46 PM  

drop: Whatever, China.

I blocked APNIC on all my routers like 5 years ago.  Not a single issue so far.  Imagine that.


Wouldn't that block Australia, NZ, Taiwan, and Japan, as well? I can see blocking china and the other usual suspects, but blocking the entire APNIC range is a little overboard, IMHO.

Besides, blocking APNIC doesn't help with the bad actors in RIPE NCC service regions.
 
2014-05-20 06:12:03 PM  

farkin_Gary: OgreMagi:
Old Vulcan proverb, "Only Nixon could go to China."


Well, in my defense, I never suggested that Nixon wasn't a dolt...however...

{History lesson brought to you by Wikipedia...}


So, Nixon opened the door, and
Carter, Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all walked thru it.
What's your point?
 
2014-05-20 06:18:39 PM  

Hz so good: drop: Whatever, China.

I blocked APNIC on all my routers like 5 years ago.  Not a single issue so far.  Imagine that.

Wouldn't that block Australia, NZ, Taiwan, and Japan, as well? I can see blocking china and the other usual suspects, but blocking the entire APNIC range is a little overboard, IMHO.

Besides, blocking APNIC doesn't help with the bad actors in RIPE NCC service regions.


It did block them all yes, was not overboard.  Didn't get much legitimate traffic from there before anyway, and not missing any that's been lost.
 
2014-05-20 06:18:46 PM  
Subby is assuming a 'world wide' network is in our governments (or its owners) interests
 
2014-05-20 06:27:05 PM  
tinyarena:
What's your point?


Ahem, I'm a troll and I have never liked President Carter. I don't need to have a point.

If you'd like to, you may simply put me on ignore in the same way that many here have done.

I'm kinda popular that way.


///Never liked Nixon either.
 
2014-05-20 06:28:00 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.

France is high on the list, too.


Yes, but France is also the US's longest ally, both founding the country ideologically and militarily, so they kind of get a lifetime pass.
 
2014-05-20 06:28:06 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: American cyber security ,forget about it ...hey look it's Joe Biden and his Trans -Am  [img.fark.net image 275x183]


He loves that car.
 
2014-05-20 06:32:27 PM  

farkin_Gary: tinyarena:
What's your point?


Ahem, I'm a troll and I have never liked President Carter. I don't need to have a point.

If you'd like to, you may simply put me on ignore in the same way that many here have done.

I'm kinda popular that way.


///Never liked Nixon either.


This, right here, is the best response I have ever gotten :)
 
2014-05-20 06:32:51 PM  
drop:

It did block them all yes, was not overboard.  Didn't get much legitimate traffic from there before anyway, and not missing any that's been lost.

That's cool. We weren't allowed to block mass ranges like that. I had to make a case for blocking the People's Daily and Xinhua News Agency IP blocks. Nothing but login attempts and portscans from those ranges.

Wish I could've block Vietnam, Russia, Ukraine, and Philippines, too...
 
2014-05-20 06:37:12 PM  
So I wonder how this will affect my Chinese visa applications. The ones I just sent to the post office...
 
2014-05-20 06:54:08 PM  

Hz so good: drop:

It did block them all yes, was not overboard.  Didn't get much legitimate traffic from there before anyway, and not missing any that's been lost.

That's cool. We weren't allowed to block mass ranges like that. I had to make a case for blocking the People's Daily and Xinhua News Agency IP blocks. Nothing but login attempts and portscans from those ranges.

Wish I could've block Vietnam, Russia, Ukraine, and Philippines, too...


When I ran my own mail server, blocking China, Russia, and Korea eliminated about 90% of the spam.  Brazil was very close to being added to the block but then the hardware permanently took a dump and I decided to just point my domain at gmail instead of replacing the server.  Running your own mail server is a pain.
 
2014-05-20 07:13:39 PM  
│ China suspends cyber security cooperation with America.

Oh, no! That will have a huge impact on our ability to stop Chinese cyber-hackers.
 
2014-05-20 07:17:51 PM  
OgreMagi:

When I ran my own mail server, blocking China, Russia, and Korea eliminated about 90% of the spam.  Brazil was very close to being added to the block but then the hardware permanently took a dump and I decided to just point my domain at gmail instead of replacing the server.  Running your own mail server is a pain.

Don't I know it...   Thankfully, it's a pain I've been successfully "delegating" away in the last few years.

Seriously, fark Exchange, and fark Groupwise for good measure.
 
2014-05-20 07:43:22 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.

That's because they're good enough to not get caught.  You don't survive like they have if you're not good.

I still don't trust those sneaky Canadians.  I know for a fact they want our women the way we want their donuts


Rubbish, the Israelis get caught all the time. It's just that nobody has the guts to do anything about it.
 
2014-05-20 07:53:38 PM  

Hz so good: OgreMagi:

When I ran my own mail server, blocking China, Russia, and Korea eliminated about 90% of the spam.  Brazil was very close to being added to the block but then the hardware permanently took a dump and I decided to just point my domain at gmail instead of replacing the server.  Running your own mail server is a pain.

Don't I know it...   Thankfully, it's a pain I've been successfully "delegating" away in the last few years.

Seriously, fark Exchange, and fark Groupwise for good measure.


At least I had the good sense to use a Linux based mail system.  You couldn't pay me enough to work with Exchange.
 
2014-05-20 07:59:09 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: PreMortem: Last time I checked, the top 3 countries committing espionage against the US are:

1. China
2. Russia
3. Israel

You don't hear too much about Israel.

That's because they're good enough to not get caught.


The reason we know about it is because of them getting caught.

If they weren't getting caught....oh cripes, nevermind
 
2014-05-20 10:14:14 PM  

Prevailing Wind: OK...so China's defense is that we do it too.  Our defense is that yeah, we do it, but we don't use the information we collect for the betterment of our commercial interests.  Solution:  Start using our spy hacking for the betterment of our commercial interests.  Duh.

I can't understand why we don't already.  Its blindingly stupid.


I think the last invention that came out of China was gunpowder. So there's that. Oh and the mobile execution chamber. And putting lead or melamine in everything. And killing our pets.
 
2014-05-20 10:16:50 PM  

FaygoMaster: So I wonder how this will affect my Chinese visa applications. The ones I just sent to the post office...


I couldn't believe that was the case either when I had to do the same thing. I'm surprised my passport wasn't stolen.

/as you know I'm an international playboy that everyone wants to impersonate
 
2014-05-20 11:09:55 PM  
I'm going to stay away from Coke for a while.
 
2014-05-20 11:58:56 PM  
Fark, China, they spied on me.

No seriously, I worked in the R&D department of Solarworld at the time.

Of course,we shut down the department and I got laid off, because we got undercut by Chinese companies...


Fark china.
 
2014-05-21 12:01:19 AM  
Prevailing Wind:

I can't understand why we don't already.  Its blindingly stupid.

There's nothing to steal. China doesn't innovate.  At all.
 
2014-05-21 12:14:31 AM  
FaygoMaster:   So I wonder how this will affect my Chinese visa applications. The ones I just sent to the post office...

When I used to go to China regularly, visas were a real headache.  My European colleagues would complain about China visas, but really Americans easily get it the worst: most expensive visa fee and shortest period of time approved.

Basically I was told that China and the US kind of do a tit for tat on treating visitors from each other's respective country like shiat when it comes to visas.

So in a word, maybe.

Although let me give my "A+++Would use Again!!!" rating to China's Chicago consulate. They're quick, efficient and seem to give out more generous visas than apparently other Americans dealing with different consulates.
 
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