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2014-05-20 08:46:35 AM
I wonder if they brought a lion that could eat tofu.
 
2014-05-20 09:01:37 AM
"According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty."

That's just shameful.
 
2014-05-20 09:04:28 AM

UberDave: I wonder if they brought a lion that could eat tofu.


This is not happening man.
 
2014-05-20 09:11:02 AM
It's pretty impressive how They introduced smartphones to accomplish the goal of de-legitimizing any and all protests or large gatherings of people.  Look at that clown taking a picture of that clown.  Very difficult to seriously pay attention to any message coming from a group with distracted attentions.  A protest cannot accomplish anything if the members of the group are more concerned with preserving their own perspective than accomplishing the goal at hand.
 
2014-05-20 09:14:25 AM
"If Tisdale earned $15 an hour instead of $8, he would open a bank account, try to save some money, pay his bills on time, and start a college fund, he says."

Suure he would.

On the other hand, he could spend the 109 other hours of the week looking for a different job, or a second one to complement the first.

A lot of people are learning that the actual minimum wage is always $0. He could be making more money, but he's earning $0 for those other 11 hours per week.
 
2014-05-20 09:17:03 AM
Good luck on the unionization thing there, guys.  Since, y'know, unions are kind of dependent on having control of some kind of restricted labor pool, and that usually means  skilled labor.
 
2014-05-20 09:18:16 AM
A man hugging a 4-foot stuffed fish and banging a stand alone toilet seat followed along behind. (He wasn't officially part of the group, he told a police officer.)

When that guy isn't 100% into the protest, your cause is dooooomed.
 
2014-05-20 09:19:15 AM

ginandbacon: "According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty."

That's just shameful.


well, in there defense, there's just no money in poverty.

/RIMSHOT
 
2014-05-20 09:20:00 AM
Pay me more money because I am entitled to be a low rung worker with the same stuff that people work hard for.
 
2014-05-20 09:20:17 AM

cirby: "If Tisdale earned $15 an hour instead of $8, he would open a bank account, try to save some money, pay his bills on time, and start a college fund, he says."

Suure he would.

On the other hand, he could spend the 109 other hours of the week looking for a different job, or a second one to complement the first.

A lot of people are learning that the actual minimum wage is always $0. He could be making more money, but he's earning $0 for those other 11 hours per week.


You'll get some bites. Happy hunting!
 
2014-05-20 09:20:39 AM

mekkab: ginandbacon: "According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty."

That's just shameful.

well, in there defense, there's just no money in poverty.

/RIMSHOT


Ah lol!
 
2014-05-20 09:22:46 AM
But minimum wages are not hard to live on only because of the smallness of the compensation, but because of all the other ways in which minimum-wage workers people do not have control over their lives.

ft
 
2014-05-20 09:24:41 AM

ginandbacon: "According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty."

That's just shameful.


Interesting statement "That's just shameful".

Remember that news is in fact a business.  If articles on poverty drove eyeballs to the screen / page then that would mean more ad revenue.  Fact is teacher student sex, Kim and Kanye, Biebs foolishness, missing planes, and tornadoes do drive those eyeballs and ad revenue, so that it what is available in the news space.

There is mention of poverty, income inequality mainly on the op-ed page.  Though there the opinion of they why of poverty may drive the sentiment.  Is it just a matter of needing to redistribute the wealth to solve everything or is it decisions like teen pregnancy, no 2 parent home, quick reward and no education that drives poverty
 
2014-05-20 09:24:42 AM
Getting paid $2 more at a McDonald's than I got paid as a manager or chef in Chicago?

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You are simply cute and adorable, aren't you?
 
2014-05-20 09:25:37 AM

ginandbacon: "According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty."

That's just shameful.


Why?  Do you think there's a lot of newsworthy poverty?

I mean stock footage of homeless people is probably more newsworthy that all of the celebrity shiat that takes up airtime, but that would be better replaced with actual news.
 
2014-05-20 09:26:36 AM

ginandbacon: "According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty."

That's just shameful.


This morning I went to the dentist.  The dentist has TVs in the examination rooms and mine was tuned to Good Morning America.

The stories I remember were:
Dancing With The Stars recap
College students who are strippers (haven't we been "shocked" by good girls doing bad forever?  doesn't this ever get old?)
An upcoming interview with Angelina Jolie (apparently, it's going to be awesome)
Dancing With The Stars preview
Something about a model who who got fat and couldn't lose weight - the shocking reason why coming up later (I never found out why).
 
2014-05-20 09:27:50 AM

Jim_Callahan: Good luck on the unionization thing there, guys.  Since, y'know, unions are kind of dependent on having control of some kind of restricted labor pool, and that usually means  skilled labor.


Yeah, and I have met very few skilled employees of fast food restaurants. Maybe don't be useless to society, and you can get a job that doesn't pay you like you are. There are some who do good work, and they are either promoted or only there temporarily. If you are useless though, why should a company be forced to pay you more. Its gonna be real funny if they do actually get these changes to ever happen, cause 90% of the ones protesting will be fired since actually competent people may want those jobs if they pay better, then they will see that their new minimum wage is zero.
 
2014-05-20 09:28:20 AM
I love the people that always say "Just get another job" sure let's make these people work 20 hours a day so they can be out of poverty level.
 
2014-05-20 09:28:38 AM
A simple suggestion to all the Fast Food workers on how to earn more...

1. GBTFW
2. Work Hard
3. In your spare time, educate yourself
4. Maker good choices in life like not making babies you can't afford and refraining from useing drugs and such
5. Look for better work that pays more... be patient with this one, you may have to wait until Obama is out of office before companies will really start to hire
6. Believe in youself and not the government.

I know under Obama, more and more people are looking for the government to provide for them. Just remember this, no one will ever take care of your needs better than you can take care of yourself.
 
2014-05-20 09:29:17 AM

Jim_Callahan: Good luck on the unionization thing there, guys.  Since, y'know, unions are kind of dependent on having control of some kind of restricted labor pool, and that usually means  skilled labor.


Or by making the lives of those whom run the businesses hellish and a financial loss when they unload those who are asking for more because of it.

Or by free market competition when another business opens which delivers the same product but will pay the workers what they're asking and the public is willing to pay a little more for knowing the product they're buying supports a living wage.
 
2014-05-20 09:30:41 AM

kling_klang_bed: Getting paid $2 more at a McDonald's than I got paid as a manager or chef in Chicago?



You are simply cute and adorable, aren't you?


So what you're saying is that, because you were underpaid and you just took it, everybody else who's underpaid should just take it.
 
2014-05-20 09:32:13 AM
Too bad the best thing for our health care system would be no more fast food at all.
 
2014-05-20 09:32:23 AM
They're just asking for a robot takeover.
 
2014-05-20 09:34:04 AM
Are we still pretending that the requested wage wasn't an "aim high settle low" situation? And comparing it to our lowest paying jobs? Demanding these people make less because it "feels right" to us, ignoring the actual financials of trying to live on wages at various levels?

Basically ignoring everything important?

Okay good.
 
2014-05-20 09:34:14 AM

kling_klang_bed: Getting paid $2 more at a McDonald's than I got paid as a manager or chef in Chicago?

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You are simply cute and adorable, aren't you?


So your shiatty situation means they aren't supposed to clean up theirs?  Sounds to me like they have backbones you lack and you're bitter about it.
 
2014-05-20 09:35:37 AM
How many of those people working minimum wage have smart phones, with the full data plans, and multiple tattoos.
 
2014-05-20 09:35:38 AM

Brick-House: A simple suggestion to all the Fast Food workers on how to earn more...

1. GBTFW
2. Work Hard
3. In your spare time, educate yourself
4. Maker good choices in life like not making babies you can't afford and refraining from useing drugs and such
5. Look for better work that pays more... be patient with this one, you may have to wait until Obama is out of office before companies will really start to hire
6. Believe in youself and not the government.

I know under Obama, more and more people are looking for the government to provide for them. Just remember this, no one will ever take care of your needs better than you can take care of yourself.


OK now that we've pissed in their cornflakes, what's the next world-changing problem?
 
2014-05-20 09:36:08 AM

TNel: I love the people that always say "Just get another job" sure let's make these people work 20 hours a day so they can be out of poverty level.


I think they mean get a better job, not a second (additional) job.

Anyways, everyone can now enjoy their $12 Big Macs if this pushes through.
 
2014-05-20 09:37:24 AM
Here is the problem with "Nickel and Dimed." : The author was awful with expenses. Did she stay in a homeless shelter or go couch surfing until she could save up money? No. Did she get roommates? No. One of the places she worked at, she staying in a motel with weekly rates. Of course you don't have money, you have no idea how to budget it appropriately.
 
2014-05-20 09:37:47 AM

Brick-House: A simple suggestion to all the Fast Food workers on how to earn more...

1. GBTFW
2. Work Hard
3. In your spare time, educate yourself
4. Maker good choices in life like not making babies you can't afford and refraining from useing drugs and such
5. Look for better work that pays more... be patient with this one, you may have to wait until Obama is out of office before companies will really start to hire
6. Believe in youself and not the government.

I know under Obama, more and more people are looking for the government to provide for them. Just remember this, no one will ever take care of your needs better than you can take care of yourself.


You really think tons of businesses are sitting out there thinking to themselves "Man, I would love to hire another [insert number here] workers, but that goshdurned 0bummer is still POTUS, so I'm going to wait until January 21, 2017 to start hiring those people"? That's insane. Businesses hire people because they think that hiring them will make them more profitable. They fire people because they think that firing them will make them more profitable. The person sitting in the White House does not cross an employer's mind when they're considering an employment decision.
 
2014-05-20 09:38:15 AM

Brick-House: 4. Maker good choices in life like not making babies you can't afford and refraining from useing drugs and such


....and you've lost me.


/America is all about second chances!
//And third chances...
///And slashies too numerous to count
 
2014-05-20 09:38:17 AM

Brick-House: A simple suggestion to all the Fast Food workers on how to earn more...

1. GBTFW
2. Work Hard
3. In your spare time, educate yourself
4. Maker good choices in life like not making babies you can't afford and refraining from useing drugs and such
5. Look for better work that pays more... be patient with this one, you may have to wait until Obama is out of office before companies will really start to hire
6. Believe in youself and not the government.

I know under Obama, more and more people are looking for the government to provide for them. Just remember this, no one will ever take care of your needs better than you can take care of yourself.


differenttogether.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-20 09:38:56 AM

Deep Contact: They're just asking for a robot takeover.


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2014-05-20 09:39:56 AM

TNel: I love the people that always say "Just get another job" sure let's make these people work 20 hours a day so they can be out of poverty level.


It's a structural problem. There simply aren't a whole lot of unskilled jobs and the market is flooded with unskilled labor willing to work off the record, which saves both sides money. While the flooding of the labor market with immigrants could be at least slowed down, technology is going to keep replacing these jobs anyway. I don't even bother with a cashier at Five Guys anymore. I order from my phone. This is going to get more and more common. It may be a while before cashiers are all replaced, in the meanwhile it is going to eat away at their numbers. Society is simply going have to accept that no matter how good education is (and right now in the US our system is pretty shameful), there is going to be an increasingly large gap between  the number of unskilled laborers and unskilled jobs. Unless we're going to engage in capital punishment for not being skilled, something is going to have to change to address the issue and yes, as you pointed out, "just get another job" isn't the solution.
 
2014-05-20 09:40:15 AM
According to Mark Jurkowitz, the associate director of Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, less than 1 percent of available news space is used to cover poverty.

OK guys the Atlantic has filled its yearly quota on poverty. Nothing more to see here.
 
2014-05-20 09:40:44 AM

NicktheSmoker: Jim_Callahan: Good luck on the unionization thing there, guys.  Since, y'know, unions are kind of dependent on having control of some kind of restricted labor pool, and that usually means  skilled labor.

Yeah, and I have met very few skilled employees of fast food restaurants. Maybe don't be useless to society, and you can get a job that doesn't pay you like you are. There are some who do good work, and they are either promoted or only there temporarily. If you are useless though, why should a company be forced to pay you more. Its gonna be real funny if they do actually get these changes to ever happen, cause 90% of the ones protesting will be fired since actually competent people may want those jobs if they pay better, then they will see that their new minimum wage is zero.


Fast food is a $600-billion-with-a-b industry in the U.S. Apparently it takes a lot of useless people to make that kind of money. I wonder what other multi-hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars industries are also largely peopled by the useless.
 
2014-05-20 09:41:12 AM
I don't have a problem with $8/hour in a lot of places, but in NYC that shameful. Those are probably some of the most profitable McDonald's in the country.

That said, there are plenty of zero skill level jobs that pay a lot more, and where you'll actually learn skills, but you better be ready to bust your ass.

But if all your worth is $8 hour why not move upstate where the cost of living is cheaper?
 
2014-05-20 09:41:27 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Pay me more money because I am entitled to be a low rung worker with the same stuff that people work hard for.


OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD PAY FOR MY POOR LIFE DECISIONS
 
2014-05-20 09:41:29 AM

under a mountain: How many of those people working minimum wage have smart phones, with the full data plans, and multiple tattoos.


Bet they have refrigerators, too.
 
2014-05-20 09:41:48 AM
Rapmaster2000:
This morning I went to the dentist. The dentist has TVs in the examination rooms and mine was tuned to Good Morning America.

...and apparently the dentist was piping anesthetic gas into the waiting room, which made you think Good Morning America was a news program, instead of a talk show/pop-culture program that occasionally has a news story to promote the slightly-more-real news that runs at other times of the day.
 
2014-05-20 09:43:03 AM
Quite a few dummies posting that don't understand low wage workers spend money in the local economy at a faster rate and on a wider variety of goods and services than the leeches taking all the profits off the top and concentrating wealth into the fewest hands possible. They only care about the fact that some guy using a fryolator for 8 hours a day might get paid slightly more than they do for connecting computers to other computers, because that's real skilled labor and stuff. Maybe if Mcdonalds guy got paid more he could hire you to set up a network in his house and his wealth would trickle down.
 
2014-05-20 09:43:56 AM

Pangit: Anyways, everyone can now enjoy their $12 Big Macs if this pushes through.


This talking point has been debunked so many times that it's pointless for me to even post a link.
 
2014-05-20 09:44:00 AM
If Tisdale earned $15 an hour instead of $8, he would open a bank account, try to save some money, pay his bills on time, and start a college fund, he says

Ahahahahahaha!

Yeah, right. he'd buy a new Playstation and an Iphone. And eat out more.
 
2014-05-20 09:44:04 AM

Jim_Callahan: Good luck on the unionization thing there, guys.  Since, y'know, unions are kind of dependent on having control of some kind of restricted labor pool, and that usually means  skilled labor.


And I suppose you think any schlub off the street can try a potato to golden perfection? That's skilled labor, man.
 
2014-05-20 09:44:05 AM

Jim_Callahan: Good luck on the unionization thing there, guys.  Since, y'know, unions are kind of dependent on having control of some kind of restricted labor pool, and that usually means  skilled labor.


There are exceptions.  Also, they're not trying to unionize, they're trying to raise the minimum wage.
 
2014-05-20 09:44:29 AM

Brick-House: A simple suggestion to all the Fast Food workers on how to earn more...

1. GBTFW
2. Work Hard
3. In your spare time, educate yourself
4. Maker good choices in life like not making babies you can't afford and refraining from useing drugs and such
5. Look for better work that pays more... be patient with this one, you may have to wait until Obama is out of office before companies will really start to hire
6. Believe in youself and not the government.

I know under Obama, more and more people are looking for the government to provide for them. Just remember this, no one will ever take care of your needs better than you can take care of yourself.


16,478.25, 39.6%.

The economy's doing great under Obama. I don't know what you're bleating about.
 
2014-05-20 09:45:11 AM

HeartBurnKid: kling_klang_bed: Getting paid $2 more at a McDonald's than I got paid as a manager or chef in Chicago?

You are simply cute and adorable, aren't you?

So what you're saying is that, because you were underpaid and you just took it, everybody else who's underpaid should just take it.


$13 an hour is underpaid?
 
2014-05-20 09:45:30 AM
I love the circular logic these threads always reveal.

Unemployed? Student debt? Get a job! Fast food is always hiring. Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring. Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring.  Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring.  Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring.  Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring.  Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring.  Fast food doesn't pay a living wage? Too bad, you're useless. Get a  better job. Can't find one? Fast food is always hiring.
 
2014-05-20 09:45:38 AM

hoodiowithtudio: One of the places she worked at, she staying in a motel with weekly rates.


Would you rent a home to someone whose only income was a minimum wage fast food job? I sure as hell wouldn't. If they stop paying for whatever reason, it takes forever to evict them, even in a southern state, and they can do all kinds of damage to your property during the process. A weekly hotel can boot you out the second you are late. So they tend to be the only place someone on the margins of society can make do. Shacking up or finding a roommate are alternatives but obviously not guaranteed since lack of financial stability is unappealing to most.
 
2014-05-20 09:46:40 AM

cirby: Rapmaster2000:
This morning I went to the dentist. The dentist has TVs in the examination rooms and mine was tuned to Good Morning America.

...and apparently the dentist was piping anesthetic gas into the waiting room, which made you think Good Morning America was a news program, instead of a talk show/pop-culture program that occasionally has a news story to promote the slightly-more-real news that runs at other times of the day.


GMA was a news show about 30 years ago.  It's illustrative of most "news" - filler for retards.
 
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