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(LA Times)   Do you know where you were every day last month? Probably not, but your license plate has had its photo snapped, and its location recorded, a whole bunch of times   (latimes.com) divider line 135
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2014-05-20 10:01:08 AM
Um...you might want to sit down Smitty, but your cell phone records are fairly easy to track too...
 
2014-05-20 10:03:47 AM
Probably not.  If my most recent license plate even still exists, it's in a junkyard on a pile of scrap.  That car saved my life though, and weirdly, I can still remember the license plate number.
 
2014-05-20 01:50:39 PM
With my memory, that might actually come in helpful.

"Uh, yeah.  Um.  I wonder if you could help me.  I can't remember where I parked".
 
2014-05-20 02:04:52 PM
Well that would explain the warning ticket I received for having an obscured plated
 
2014-05-20 02:06:09 PM
I was only going into those porn shops to ask directions to the nearest church!
 
2014-05-20 02:08:19 PM
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
 
2014-05-20 02:09:11 PM
I'm not worried or frightened at all scaredkittenmitter.  I have a unique license plate, and am recognized all over town by friends and just people I happen to park next to at work.  After all, it's not like they don't have a streetview of my house, they can't get my phone records, my tax returns, legal records, health records too if they wanted to.

This garners a giant *meh* and *yaaaawwwnnnnnnnn*
 
2014-05-20 02:09:27 PM
Wait until the divorce lawyers get a hold of this.
 
2014-05-20 02:09:53 PM
Snowden was right!

Thanks Obama.
 
2014-05-20 02:11:51 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I was only going into those porn shops to ask directions to the nearest church!


I was only going into those churches to ask for directions to the nearest porn shop!
 
2014-05-20 02:11:59 PM
It's not paranoia when they really are after you.
 
2014-05-20 02:12:12 PM

weapon13: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I was only going into those porn shops to ask directions to the nearest church!

I was only going into those churches to ask for directions to the nearest porn shop!


We should carpool.
 
2014-05-20 02:12:34 PM
Joke's on you, I don't leave my house
/except one doctor appointment
/I'm really sick
 
2014-05-20 02:13:09 PM

Pr1nc3ss: Snowden was right!


I guess that's reassuring to all the people he got killed.
 
2014-05-20 02:14:39 PM
Hah hah, they're never going to track me.  I only drive stolen cars.

/Hope there's a pay&spray around here somewhere
 
2014-05-20 02:14:52 PM

Rueened: Pr1nc3ss: Snowden was right!

I guess that's reassuring to all the people he got killed.


[citation needed]

/ dnftt
 
2014-05-20 02:16:27 PM

weapon13: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I was only going into those porn shops to ask directions to the nearest church!

I was only going into those churches to ask for directions to the nearest porn shop!


img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-05-20 02:17:42 PM
Jokes on them. Bicycles don't have plates.
 
2014-05-20 02:18:46 PM
farkers don't like cops but they love authoritarian policies, creepy surveillance and long prison sentences for petty crime, it's an enigma wrapped in a riddle!
 
2014-05-20 02:19:02 PM

Intrepid00: Jokes on them. Bicycles don't have plates.


Depends where you are.
 
2014-05-20 02:20:19 PM
zarker

Joke's on you, I don't leave my house
/except one doctor appointment
/I'm really sick


No need to publicize what your local Death Panel already knows.
 
2014-05-20 02:20:21 PM
For a good part of the time I assume I was in my skin.
 
2014-05-20 02:20:59 PM
If they are looking for cars flagged as stolen etc I think using LPR data is fine. But it shouldn't be retained for later query. It should be check against the lists and thats it. There is no need to retian this data for the purpose of law enforcement

The only reason they would want to retain this data is for mining. And considering much of this data is shared with the federal agencies looking at all of your other metadata, they are really getting a pretty heavy look in to every Americans comings and goings. who they associate with etc.

GPS on a car = get a warrant. Tracking every vehicle via LPR perfectly fine ?
 
2014-05-20 02:21:34 PM

Rueened: Pr1nc3ss: Snowden was right!

I guess that's reassuring to all the people he got killed.


And how many people got killed because Snowden revealed that the NSA is spying on US citizens? Of the people who've died over the past 14 months, how many would still be alive if the existence of the US Government's secret domestic surveillance was still a secret?


/at worst, that number is limited to his family and most anyone else who knew him personally outside of work, but not his (ex?)girlfriend and her family
 
2014-05-20 02:23:03 PM

probesport: Intrepid00: Jokes on them. Bicycles don't have plates.

Depends where you are.


Some shiat hole in Kansas I know use to make you. Is there somewhere else?
 
2014-05-20 02:23:13 PM
"It's an important tool for law enforcement. But we need to be extremely vigilant to protect our right to privacy and the civil liberties we cherish." give the people the impression that those in power don't desire more of it, and one way to do so is to amass a giant database of everyone's coming, goings, and leavings......
 
2014-05-20 02:23:15 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: weapon13: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I was only going into those porn shops to ask directions to the nearest church!

I was only going into those churches to ask for directions to the nearest porn shop!

We should carpool.


Yes, but who gets off first? (Ooh err!)
 
2014-05-20 02:23:23 PM

Spare Me: It's not paranoia when they really are after you.


Which could be anytime they feel like it. What's that baggy under your seat? Get out of the car maggot.
 
2014-05-20 02:23:29 PM
Satan's Bunny Slippers:  I have a unique license plate, and am recognized all over town by friends and just people I happen to park next to at work.

ecx.images-amazon.com

I've seen you around
 
2014-05-20 02:24:11 PM

Headso: farkers don't like cops but they love authoritarian policies, creepy surveillance and long prison sentences for petty crime, it's an enigma wrapped in a riddle!


Just wait until a Republican is President again.  They will revert back to the same stance they had under Bush.
 
2014-05-20 02:24:13 PM

Intrepid00: Jokes on them. Bicycles don't have plates.


ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2014-05-20 02:25:07 PM
I expect that the political machine and criminals will soon start to take advantage of this.

In politics, opponents will be able to track each other and make accusations based on their locations.  "Why were you at your aide's house after 10PM?  Are you having an affair?".  You'll also be able to track their associates and when gatherings take place.

For crime, you'll be able to track valuable cars for theft (then swap plates to fool the cameras).  Loan sharks will be able to track customers and learn where their friends and family live.  Stalkers will be able to track their victims.

As for the statement that the technology tracks vehicles and not people, I disagree.  Most vehicles have a singular or primary driver.


hubiestubert: but your cell phone records are fairly easy to track too


I can leave my cell phone at home or pull the battery when not in use.  For vehicles, you either need to find another one or (if your state/province allows it) you need to print a temporary license and remove your permanent plates.  The latter isn't as easy or cheap as the former.
 
2014-05-20 02:25:30 PM

Intrepid00: probesport: Intrepid00: Jokes on them. Bicycles don't have plates.

Depends where you are.

Some shiat hole in Kansas I know use to make you. Is there somewhere else?


There is an island here in MIchigan without cars where residents are required to license their bikes.
 
2014-05-20 02:29:59 PM
I let Google track me via Google location history, thank you very much.
 
2014-05-20 02:31:08 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Well that would explain the warning ticket I received for having an obscured plated


CSB:
3 weeks ago, DC hung an "Emergency No Parking" sign up next to where I'd been parked for about a day. The following day, when I returned to where I parked, I found the sign, and no car. 36 hours had elapsed, and they towed me (which...whatever).

The "emergency" in question? A planned resurfacing of the street. 36 hours' notice seems about right for a planned closure as part of a 6-month project involving the entire city block, right?

Anyway, when I called to find out where they'd towed me (DC doesn't take you to a tow yard, they just pull you to a legal spot - for me, they dropped me at an expired meter, which meant more tickets), they told me they had no record of the tow, so I reported my car stolen. DCPD said they'd do a "canvass" of the surrounding area to see if they'd towed me without telling anyone. The canvass turned up nothing.

Coming home later that night, I found my car parked 2 blocks away from where I'd reported it stolen - well within the "canvass" area (both I and the cop who came to cancel the stolen car report think the "canvass" was BS).

So if they had LPT, they'd be able to tell me where my car is, right? DCPD would look less like revenue-seeking buffoons and more like statist buffoons?

// end CSB
// and thanks for the $200 in tickets, shiatweasels
// appealed 'em, but apparently, DC Revenue Enforcement is backlogged (with the thousands of BS tickets need to be sorted through, I can't imagine why), so it'll take 6 months for a decision
 
2014-05-20 02:31:32 PM
Home, Work, Taco Bell, Bar, Bar, Bar, Bar
 
2014-05-20 02:32:07 PM
Congress wrote a law making it illegal to expose video rental records because that data was used against an incumbent congressman in an election ("Rep. Smith watches porn, Vote for Jones!).  So all we need is for some insider to place a congressman at a strip club or whorehouse by LPR data and maybe this will go away.
 
2014-05-20 02:32:41 PM
nope, I don't know where I was every day last month.

I DO know where my car was every day last month, though.  it's been parked, and I've been walking everywhere. :)
 
2014-05-20 02:34:17 PM

tricycleracer: Home, Work, Taco Bell, Bar, Bar, Bar, Bar


I think you are missing another Taco Bell at the end.
 
2014-05-20 02:36:48 PM

steve_wmn: So all we need is for some insider to place a congressman at a strip club or whorehouse by LPR data and maybe this will go away.


Most of the strippers are old enough to vote so he was just doing out reach
 
2014-05-20 02:37:50 PM

steve_wmn: Congress wrote a law making it illegal to expose video rental records because that data was used against an incumbent congressman in an election ("Rep. Smith watches porn, Vote for Jones!).  So all we need is for some insider to place a congressman at a strip club or whorehouse by LPR data and maybe this will go away.


I think you ment Supreme Court nominee.
 
2014-05-20 02:38:05 PM
Nope, I've got a clear cover that has polarized plastic on it... Can't even see it if you're looking at it on a level plane, but if you're looking from an elevated 20 degree angle... you can't see anything.
 
2014-05-20 02:39:48 PM
Alright so I was ready to poo-poo this as I assumed that usage was limited to cops or local databases (the nearby university uses it for parking permit enforcement)

But then I read this:

Last year, Vigilant Solutions offered police in Tempe, Ariz., license plate scanners for free. But there was a catch, according to a copy of the offer obtained by The Times.

To keep the freebies, the Tempe department had to go after at least 25 outstanding "Vigilant provided" warrants each month. In general, such arrangements are paid for by private collection companies, which profit by going after warrants that result from people failing to pay municipal fines, said Brian Shockley, a vice president at Vigilant.

In the document, Vigilant assured the Tempe department that the offer was not an attempt to "unduly influence" its police work. But the company also warned that the free cameras would be taken away if the police department failed to meet its monthly quota.



WTF.  A private company handing out orders to police?  What's next, a free taser for every 10 arrests?
 
2014-05-20 02:42:33 PM
Reasons to bike to work...

#6: The man is out to get you.
 
2014-05-20 02:43:09 PM
When I see the instances of Grand theft Auto suddenly come to a screeching halt because the cops are proactively using this to stop felonies and not using it to harass drivers at their own asshole discretion, then I'll believe this is a good idea.
 
2014-05-20 02:43:12 PM
I DRIVE A STOLEN CAR!  JOKE'S ON YOU, CAMERAS!
 
2014-05-20 02:46:56 PM
haha! I rarely leave my house!

/recluse FTW
 
2014-05-20 02:47:13 PM

Rueened: Pr1nc3ss: Snowden was right!

I guess that's reassuring to all the people he got killed.


Even more so to all the people that won't die because we're aware of exactly what the government has in store for us.

/hint, it's not freedom
 
2014-05-20 02:49:14 PM
Can you request data on any plate number via a FOIA request?
 
2014-05-20 02:51:46 PM

Chagrin: via a FOIA request?


Finger Offered In Ass

better than a UFIA application!
 
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