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(News.com.au)   University of Sydney researchers, in completing a study of the links between vaccinations & autism, discover they were wasting their time all along   (news.com.au) divider line 46
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2014-05-19 04:05:53 PM  
Seeing as the people who need to read this are yet another belief-driven community unswayed by science, facts, and data, I predict the effect of this study will be a big honkin' titanosaur egg. Other than more measles outbreaks, that is.
 
2014-05-19 04:48:05 PM  

vossiewulf: Seeing as the people who need to read this are yet another belief-driven community unswayed by science, facts, and data, I predict the effect of this study will be a big honkin' titanosaur egg. Other than more measles outbreaks, that is.


The people that believe the vaccine-autism link were never persuaded because of the evidence.  They just believe the crap they read in magazines, and since the public schools no longer teach critical thinking skills, they will actually cling to this belief, rather than have to think about "evidence".  Thinking is hard.
 
2014-05-19 05:05:08 PM  
www.mattbors.com
 
2014-05-19 05:26:40 PM  
However, there is a clear link between lack of vaccination and stupidity.
 
2014-05-19 05:47:47 PM  
Except that "researchers" is just another word for "scientists." Having more syllables doesn't change its meaning, it just makes it more complicated. And things that are more complicated are more likely to be wrong. But in the end, a zebra with stripes is the same thing as a zebra with spots, and any leopard knows the difference. So are we supposed to impressed that the same group reached the same conclusions about the same thing? That's like expecting a mockingbird to learn bluejay. It's crazy. It's just crazy. Here's what we need to see. Get some people together who aren't just another kind of scientist in disguise. Sea captains or something. Butchers. Architects. Cops, whatever. You get them together and you let them study it all out, and if they can re-create what these "scientists" and all their dopplegangers keep creating, then maybe we can know they're onto something. Otherwise, it's just so much naval gazing. And I'll tell you what -- there ain't nothing in most navals but lint. And that's a fact.
 
2014-05-19 05:50:54 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Except that "researchers" is just another word for "scientists." Having more syllables doesn't change its meaning, it just makes it more complicated. And things that are more complicated are more likely to be wrong. But in the end, a zebra with stripes is the same thing as a zebra with spots, and any leopard knows the difference. So are we supposed to impressed that the same group reached the same conclusions about the same thing? That's like expecting a mockingbird to learn bluejay. It's crazy. It's just crazy. Here's what we need to see. Get some people together who aren't just another kind of scientist in disguise. Sea captains or something. Butchers. Architects. Cops, whatever. You get them together and you let them study it all out, and if they can re-create what these "scientists" and all their dopplegangers keep creating, then maybe we can know they're onto something. Otherwise, it's just so much naval gazing. And I'll tell you what -- there ain't nothing in most navals but lint. And that's a fact.


And seamen.
 
2014-05-19 05:54:03 PM  
A study with a negative finding is not wasted time, Subby.  I have some hope that this will be bit of steel in the spines of school administrators so they will not allow students in without vaccinations.
 
2014-05-19 06:02:07 PM  
When it came time to decide about vaccinations with my daughter, guess who I asked?  A farking DOCTOR.  A pediatrician no less.  You know, someone who went to medical school and specifically studied this sort of thing.  My research confirmed what the FARKING DOCTOR told me, that the benefits outweigh the risks by orders of magnitude.  And my daughter didn't develop autism.  QED, biatches.
 
2014-05-19 06:06:44 PM  

nekom: When it came time to decide about vaccinations with my daughter, guess who I asked?  A farking DOCTOR.  A pediatrician no less.  You know, someone who went to medical school and specifically studied this sort of thing.  My research confirmed what the FARKING DOCTOR told me, that the benefits outweigh the risks by orders of magnitude.  And my daughter didn't develop autism.  QED, biatches.



I don't know, random strangers with autistic children seem like a perfectly valid source of medical information.
 
2014-05-19 07:36:21 PM  

Pocket Ninja: like expecting a mockingbird to learn bluejay


This, this is a thing of beauty.
 
2014-05-19 07:55:32 PM  
Scientists, experts, researchers, studiers, authorities, analysts -- the British have just one word for them all: boffins. Sure it's a made-up word, but you can't beat having a single go-to word handy for all your authoritative-expert-analyst describing needs.
 
2014-05-19 07:57:00 PM  
Horribly scarred for life just so an article gets to have a relevant image. Thanks Mom & Dad

resources2.news.com.au
 
2014-05-19 08:00:41 PM  

"But a new report led by the University of Sydney appears to have settled the argument."


Settled the argument? Tell 'im e's dreaming!

 
2014-05-19 08:01:25 PM  

nekom: When it came time to decide about vaccinations with my daughter, guess who I asked?  A farking DOCTOR.  A pediatrician no less.


A pediatrician is not a farking doctor... thats a children's doctor.  If you were looking for a doctor of farking, see below:

www.madnessmomandme.com
 
2014-05-19 08:03:36 PM  
I took a survey of autistic people and they had all been vaccinated....
 
2014-05-19 08:19:31 PM  

Snarfangel: However, there is a clear link between lack of vaccination and stupidity.


Unfortunately a vaccination against stupidity is still far from being developed...
 
2014-05-19 08:22:57 PM  

SpdrJay: I took a survey of autistic people and they had all been vaccinated....


I took a survey of vaccinated people, and not all of them were autistic.

Study it out!
 
2014-05-19 08:39:14 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Except that "researchers" is just another word for "scientists." Having more syllables doesn't change its meaning, it just makes it more complicated. And things that are more complicated are more likely to be wrong. But in the end, a zebra with stripes is the same thing as a zebra with spots, and any leopard knows the difference. So are we supposed to impressed that the same group reached the same conclusions about the same thing? That's like expecting a mockingbird to learn bluejay. It's crazy. It's just crazy. Here's what we need to see. Get some people together who aren't just another kind of scientist in disguise. Sea captains or something. Butchers. Architects. Cops, whatever. You get them together and you let them study it all out, and if they can re-create what these "scientists" and all their dopplegangers keep creating, then maybe we can know they're onto something. Otherwise, it's just so much naval gazing. And I'll tell you what -- there ain't nothing in most navals but lint. And that's a fact.


So, you're saying Occam's Razor?

Vaccine = Autism is much more likely than a million chimpanzees banging on a million typewriters for a million years.

/And what's a typewriter?
 
2014-05-19 08:58:13 PM  
It wasn't really a waste of time. The researcher--more of an analyst in this case--discovered that nobody had ever collated all the studies disproving the connection between vaccination and autism into one comprehensive study. He did, and he concluded that:

The study examined seven sets of data involving more than 1.25 million children and concluded that there was no evidence to support a relationship between common vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough and the development of autism.

That basically provides anti-anti-vaxxers with a powerful, single piece of evidence to drop on the antivaxxers' desks when this debate comes up. It won't change any minds, of course; but when it comes to policy debates, it will shorten the arguments. On the left: A screaming group of parents with stories. On the right: 1,250,000 children, seven studies, six different vaccines, and NO EVIDENCE OF RELATIONSHIP with autism.
 
2014-05-19 09:06:52 PM  
Jenny McCarthy should stick to what she knows....showing off her b**bs.
 
2014-05-19 09:14:53 PM  
This is my shocked face.   : |
 
2014-05-19 09:17:48 PM  
But a new report led by the University of Sydney appears to have settled the argument.

Writer has never met an anti-vaxxser has he.
 
2014-05-19 09:26:12 PM  
The argument is never settled for conspiracy theorists.
 
2014-05-19 09:38:43 PM  
Gyrfalcon:
That basically provides anti-anti-vaxxerssane people with a powerful, single piece of evidence to drop on the antivaxxers' desks when this debate comes up. It won't change any minds, of course; but when it comes to policy debates, it will shorten the arguments. On the left: A screaming group of parents with stories. On the right: 1,250,000 children, seven studies, six different vaccines, and NO EVIDENCE OF RELATIONSHIP with autism.

Unfortunately, the insane people aren't swayed by evidence or much of anything else. We need mandatory vaccination, no exceptions except for clear medical reasons, no religious exemption no "philosophical exception"
 
2014-05-19 09:59:44 PM  

nekom: When it came time to decide about vaccinations with my daughter, guess who I asked?  A farking DOCTOR.  A pediatrician no less.  You know, someone who went to medical school and specifically studied this sort of thing.  My research confirmed what the FARKING DOCTOR told me, that the benefits outweigh the risks by orders of magnitude.  And my daughter didn't develop autism.  QED, biatches.


No lie, I've seen many comments online to the effect that "pediatricians WANT to keep your kids sick, because they make lots of money that way".  Never mind that their appointment schedules are generally jammed solid as it is, because kids love to lick the door handles on public transit, stick twizzlers up their noses, and nasty stuff like that.  Anyway there are people out there who actively detest expert opinion.
 
2014-05-19 10:24:13 PM  

No Such Agency: stick twizzlers up their noses


I don't see how sticking a Twizzler up a nose could do much harm unless it had been licked by a cat who had just tongue-punched it's own fartbox.

Says the kid who once stuck a McDonalds fry so far up her nose it had to be extracted in chunks over the course of about four days.
 
2014-05-19 10:25:49 PM  
Vaccines, while not perfect, (not everyone vaccinated will develop immunity, and there is a miniscule but non-zero chance of negative complications) are truly a triumph of science over unpleasant nature, Every person with vaccinated children should hoist a glass in salute of the dedicated scientists who have worked in this area of science over hundreds of years.  Almost no field of human endeavor has a better record of cost v. benefit to all mankind.

I try not to have litmus tests regarding people rational enough to have conversations with, but this is one of them.  And I am a skeptic by nature.
 
2014-05-19 10:27:32 PM  

SpdrJay: I took a survey of autistic people and they had all been vaccinated....


I took a survey of [criminals|gays|clowns] and they had all been vaccinated....
 
2014-05-19 10:29:37 PM  

RedT: Pocket Ninja: Except that "researchers" is just another word for "scientists." Having more syllables doesn't change its meaning, it just makes it more complicated. And things that are more complicated are more likely to be wrong. But in the end, a zebra with stripes is the same thing as a zebra with spots, and any leopard knows the difference. So are we supposed to impressed that the same group reached the same conclusions about the same thing? That's like expecting a mockingbird to learn bluejay. It's crazy. It's just crazy. Here's what we need to see. Get some people together who aren't just another kind of scientist in disguise. Sea captains or something. Butchers. Architects. Cops, whatever. You get them together and you let them study it all out, and if they can re-create what these "scientists" and all their dopplegangers keep creating, then maybe we can know they're onto something. Otherwise, it's just so much naval gazing. And I'll tell you what -- there ain't nothing in most navals but lint. And that's a fact.

So, you're saying Occam's Razor?

Vaccine = Autism is much more likely than a million chimpanzees banging on a million typewriters for a million years.

/And what's a typewriter?


Are any of those monkeys part of the Screenwriter's Guild? That's the relevant question to Fark.
 
2014-05-19 10:32:56 PM  
not acording to Doctors Jenny McCarthy and Toni Braxton
 
2014-05-19 10:33:23 PM  
FTA: Many parents feel immunisation is unnatural...

This is correct -- death is natural, and we avoid it with unnatural means. That's pretty much the entire concept of medicine in a nutshell.
 
2014-05-19 11:14:10 PM  
www.eonline.com

Oh Hay Guys, what's going on in this thread??
 
2014-05-20 12:01:50 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Except that "researchers" is just another word for "scientists." Having more syllables doesn't change its meaning, it just makes it more complicated. And things that are more complicated are more likely to be wrong. But in the end, a zebra with stripes is the same thing as a zebra with spots, and any leopard knows the difference. So are we supposed to impressed that the same group reached the same conclusions about the same thing? That's like expecting a mockingbird to learn bluejay. It's crazy. It's just crazy. Here's what we need to see. Get some people together who aren't just another kind of scientist in disguise. Sea captains or something. Butchers. Architects. Cops, whatever. You get them together and you let them study it all out, and if they can re-create what these "scientists" and all their dopplegangers keep creating, then maybe we can know they're onto something. Otherwise, it's just so much naval gazing. And I'll tell you what -- there ain't nothing in most navals but lint. And that's a fact.


It's...it's so...beautiful!
 
2014-05-20 12:15:07 AM  

Trillian Astra: No Such Agency: stick twizzlers up their noses

I don't see how sticking a Twizzler up a nose could do much harm unless it had been licked by a cat who had just tongue-punched it's own fartbox.

Says the kid who once stuck a McDonalds fry so far up her nose it had to be extracted in chunks over the course of about four days.


How YOU doing, baby?
 
2014-05-20 12:18:29 AM  
1.25M is such a large sample size that, in a sane, rational world, this would be the end of the argument.

Oh, well.
 
2014-05-20 12:29:21 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: 1.25M is such a large sample size that, in a sane, rational world, this would be the end of the argument.

Oh, well.


BUT IT'S NOT EVERYONE SO THEREFORE COMMA SUCHAS AND ANYWAY MY SISTER'S COUSIN HAS A HAIRDRESSER WHO KNEW A GUY.
 
2014-05-20 01:21:12 AM  
I can tell you right now the two causes,

Parents waiting much longer to have kids, and better diagnosing along the much wider than thought spectrum.

You can mail me my nobel.
 
2014-05-20 02:10:49 AM  
FTFA: "In 2011, pharmaceutical scientist Dr Dennis Flaherty called Wakefield's findings "the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years". "

No, that would be the lipid theory of heart disease, followed closely by the food pyramid.
 
2014-05-20 02:38:02 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: 1.25M is such a large sample size that, in a sane, rational world, this would be the end of the argument.

Oh, well.


Try a county of 130,000.

See that red area on the NW? I live there. If it's not hippies, homeless junkies, college kids without a clue, State of Jefffersonistas, Off the grid survivalists, weed growers, Earth firsters.....we have the goddam antivaxxers thrown in for shiats and giggles....because NATURE!
 
2014-05-20 03:10:19 AM  
Eventually the courts are going to have to decide if you must vaccinate your children.  It is about time we bring this matter before Wapner.
 
2014-05-20 03:27:34 AM  
2BuckChuck:
img.fark.net

About the only thing that's her own is her fugly man-jaw

I'm sorry, guys, but that looks like a transvestite to me.(you can even see the makeup over the 5o'clock shadow)
 
2014-05-20 03:55:05 AM  
I was actually having a conversation last week about the risks of vaccinations and what we know/don't know, and a study with this sample size was specifically something I had wanted to see.

In terms of convincing people?  I suspect there are a large number of people who are concerned about a link between autism and vaccinations but still are proponents of vaccinations.  The popularity of "alternate" vaccine schedules that still get kids vaccinated by school age points to this group being pretty substantial.  People in that group are likely to find this compelling.

However, vaccinations have become such a polarizing issue, and the anti-vaxxers have been painted as so crazy, so you don't hear very much from the camp of people that support vaccinations but want more data about their safety.
 
2014-05-20 07:31:33 AM  
ya know talk about the worst time in human history to be anti-vaccine... with global movement of people to and from every possible region on earth, stuff spreads very easily
 
2014-05-20 09:05:05 AM  
Marcus Aurelius:
The people that believe the vaccine-autism link were never persuaded because of the evidence.

Actually, they were. At first.

It was bogus, made-up evidence, but it was bogus-made-up evidence that was published in The Lancet, which was (at the time) one of the top medical journals on the planet. A lot of people - doctors included - were initially convinced by that study, since it came from such a prestigious source.

Of course, the whole thing was a scam to set up lawsuits, but you can't just wave your hands and pretend that it came out of nowhere. It's a great example of how "published science" can be horribly, stupidly wrong, or even evil. Even after people started asking questions, it took The Lancet six years for a weak partial retraction, and twelve years for a full retraction.

Anti-vaxxers have been around since doctors started using vaccines - but the modern, widespread movement really started with this one tainted paper.
 
2014-05-20 09:31:30 AM  
Maybe my uncle Kermit was right to hate the internet so much. Not because the government is sending messages to kill all Christians through it like he believes, but because if it wasn't for these devil tubes fuccos like antivaxxers wouldn't have a pulpit.
 
2014-05-20 11:02:52 AM  
The only thing worse than the anti-vaxxers are the internet experts whining about them.
 
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