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(The Epoch Times)   Three-year-old says he was killed with an axe in past life. Nobody believed him until he showed village elders where the body and axe were buried   (theepochtimes.com) divider line 142
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2014-05-19 07:04:59 PM  

gilgigamesh: untaken_name: JohnnyC: Hearsay is not evidence, it occasionally leads to evidence, but is never the evidence. The entire story could be (and likely is) completely made up. I value evidence... not hearsay.

Do you live in a court of law? If you mother tells you that your aunt said she got a new car, do you demand that she prove it because you can't believe hearsay? If so, you are a douchebag.

No, but if my mother tells me my aunt said she is Jesus Christ, I am going to probably assume that one or both of them has had a psychotic break before leaping to the conclusion that the facts underlying the statement are correct.

Actually I would probably have to assume *I* had the psychotic break, seeing as both my mom and her sister are long dead. But you get the idea: extraordinary claims, and all that


So, in your mind, "evidence" only applies to claims you don't believe? That must be a weird world to be in. The poster I responded to did not qualify the statement that "I value evidence, not hearsay". Or perhaps you are unaware that evidence is evidence, regardless of the situation. Also, I believe you are conflating evidence with proof.
 
2014-05-19 07:05:09 PM  

jaylectricity: timujin: He was born with a long, red birthmark on his head. The Druse believe, as some other cultures do, that birthmarks are related to past-life deaths. When the boy was old enough to talk, he told his family he had been killed by a blow to the head with an axe.

I have a birthmark on the side of my knee, probably took an arrow to it.

Dammit, I have a similar birthmark and was going to make the same joke.

*shakes fist*


I've got a birthmark on my wiener and now I'm terrified to consider what that means about my past life.
 
2014-05-19 07:08:17 PM  
Need to get Ian Stevenson (well, not so much now) and Jim Tucker on the case.
 
2014-05-19 07:09:14 PM  

untaken_name: JohnnyC: Hearsay is not evidence, it occasionally leads to evidence, but is never the evidence. The entire story could be (and likely is) completely made up. I value evidence... not hearsay.

Do you live in a court of law? If you mother tells you that your aunt said she got a new car, do you demand that she prove it because you can't believe hearsay? If so, you are a douchebag.


I've seen people get new cars before.  I know it is possible.  If you prove to me that reincarnation in general is possible, and as common and ordinary as someone buying a new car, then I wouldn't question it if you said your aunt was reincarnated.
 
2014-05-19 07:09:28 PM  
Anyone else smell that?
 
2014-05-19 07:10:51 PM  

thrasherrr: flemardo: It is clear the child was a murderer in his past life. Only the murderer would know where the body and the axe was buried. The child should pay for his crimes, I think banning him from having chocolate milk and strawberry milk should do it.

FTFY?


Sticking with what I said, once that axe goes deep in your skull you don't know where your body or the murder weapon goes or if the worms that eat you will fart in your body. The killer on the other hand would have the past life knowledge. He's a devious child, blaming an innocent man for his own crimes.
 
2014-05-19 07:11:13 PM  
Sorry, I meant to say HURR DURR BULLSHAIT JOKE HURR DURR
 
2014-05-19 07:14:53 PM  

BlueBox: jaylectricity: timujin: He was born with a long, red birthmark on his head. The Druse believe, as some other cultures do, that birthmarks are related to past-life deaths. When the boy was old enough to talk, he told his family he had been killed by a blow to the head with an axe.

I have a birthmark on the side of my knee, probably took an arrow to it.

Dammit, I have a similar birthmark and was going to make the same joke.

*shakes fist*

I have a purple birthmark on my foot.  I wonder how I did that?


You must have stepped on a rusty nail, died of gangrene. I've got a big one on my belly. That must have been slow and painful. My son has one on his asscheek. I can't wait to troll him about it now.
 
2014-05-19 07:15:23 PM  
The real question... what if a few months after the boy was killed, the handle of that axe broke and was replaced.  Then, 3 months after that, the head of the axe was chipped and that was replaced as well.  Is it the same axe that killed him?
 
2014-05-19 07:15:35 PM  

untaken_name: JohnnyC: Hearsay is not evidence, it occasionally leads to evidence, but is never the evidence. The entire story could be (and likely is) completely made up. I value evidence... not hearsay.

Do you live in a court of law? If you mother tells you that your aunt said she got a new car, do you demand that she prove it because you can't believe hearsay? If so, you are a douchebag.


My mother telling me that my aunt said she got a new car is not an extraordinary claim, I can safely believe that my mother is accurate and even if she isn't and I find out later that my aunt didn't buy a new car it isn't like the idea was fundamental to my world view. If, however, my mother claimed that my aunt made a new car appear just by wishing for it... that would be an extraordinary claim that I would need some really solid evidence to even consider believing. Claiming reincarnation is true is also an extraordinary claim that I'm going to need a lot more than hearsay to believe.

Also... the word hearsay isn't only used in court. Seems a lot simpler to say, "that's hearsay", than, "that's information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated". Of course you might not be into the whole brevity thing.

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2014-05-19 07:16:40 PM  

stonicus: I've seen people get new cars before. I know it is possible. If you prove to me that reincarnation in general is possible, and as common and ordinary as someone buying a new car, then I wouldn't question it if you said your aunt was reincarnated.


I have a book that says it is possible. It's a very old book and I can quote large sections of it from memory. QED, science.
 
2014-05-19 07:18:48 PM  
So, if the kid was buried after he was murdered, how would he know where he was buried?
 
2014-05-19 07:20:15 PM  
Ambivalence: I'm curious if this would be considered "evidence" of reincarnation.  You know, for those who value evidence.

In the same way that Sesame Street is evidence if human/alien breeding. Strong evidence.
 
2014-05-19 07:20:43 PM  
As a "no one gives a crap" aside, the whole "Extraordinary claims requires blah blah blah..." quote came from Marcello Truzzi who disliked pseudoskepticism, which is the vast majority of people seem to practice nowadays.
 
2014-05-19 07:22:32 PM  

timujin: He was born with a long, red birthmark on his head. The Druse believe, as some other cultures do, that birthmarks are related to past-life deaths. When the boy was old enough to talk, he told his family he had been killed by a blow to the head with an axe.

I have a birthmark on the side of my knee, probably took an arrow to it.


I read your comment using this guy's voice.

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2014-05-19 07:23:42 PM  
Three-year-old says he was killed with an axe in past life. Nobody believed him until he showed village elders

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2014-05-19 07:25:00 PM  
I'll just agree with the Unlikely tag and go about my day.
 
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2014-05-19 07:28:34 PM  

mr_crash_davis: His mother could also show you the axe wound from which he was born.


I think he was mudreded in his previous life while in his mom.
 
2014-05-19 07:28:53 PM  

GRCooper: So, if the kid was buried after he was murdered, how would he know where he was buried?


Well ya see... ummm... uh, the thing is... well, if the kid was... hmmm...

Damn it, you're clearly trying to confuse us!  You must be the murderer!!!
 
2014-05-19 07:30:16 PM  

JohnnyC: untaken_name: JohnnyC: Hearsay is not evidence, it occasionally leads to evidence, but is never the evidence. The entire story could be (and likely is) completely made up. I value evidence... not hearsay.

Do you live in a court of law? If you mother tells you that your aunt said she got a new car, do you demand that she prove it because you can't believe hearsay? If so, you are a douchebag.

My mother telling me that my aunt said she got a new car is not an extraordinary claim, I can safely believe that my mother is accurate and even if she isn't and I find out later that my aunt didn't buy a new car it isn't like the idea was fundamental to my world view. If, however, my mother claimed that my aunt made a new car appear just by wishing for it... that would be an extraordinary claim that I would need some really solid evidence to even consider believing. Claiming reincarnation is true is also an extraordinary claim that I'm going to need a lot more than hearsay to believe.

Also... the word hearsay isn't only used in court. Seems a lot simpler to say, "that's hearsay", than, "that's information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated". Of course you might not be into the whole brevity thing.


You're mother saying that your aunt got a new car is not proof, and is hearsay. However you can choose to believe hearsay. That doesn't make it proof.

People rely on trusted hearsay all the time for things that do not require proof (like your aunt's new car).

If I asked you if you had proof that your aunt got a new car and your only response was that your mother had told you so, I would conclude that you did not have proof.

This is really not that difficult.
 
HKW
2014-05-19 07:30:37 PM  
1) Rob fort Knox,

2) Bury the gold,
3) commit suicide in a way that everyone knows your dead
4) wait for reincarnation
5) Wait a few years till you can get around on your own; troll parents in the mean time.
6) dig up stash
7) PROFIT


Anyone else up for a small raid into Muldraugh, KY?
 
2014-05-19 07:33:56 PM  
People aren't just born, they are a continuation of life. I think many of us remember past things and then about three we go through a wiping of past memories.

Though I would expect him to be a direct descendant of himself to remember these things.

Think about all the memories a young chicken has locked up in the two cells from its parents. Even separated at birth they can go on to know to peep, peck , scratch, and a whole life full of other things and at one point it was all contained in just two cells.
 
2014-05-19 07:36:55 PM  

RedT: You're mother saying that your aunt got a new car is not proof, and is hearsay.


Now you're just being weird... 

"You are mother saying that your aunt got a new car is not proof, and is hearsay."

;)
 
2014-05-19 07:38:39 PM  
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My favorite part about death and reincarnation is visiting the Past Lives Pavilion.
 
2014-05-19 07:41:51 PM  
Why did the kid do that?
Someone axed him.
 
2014-05-19 07:42:05 PM  

mr_crash_davis: His mother could also show you the axe wound from which he was born.


It took too long for that unsavory comment. Farkers, step it up.
 
2014-05-19 07:42:21 PM  
Call Leonard Nimoy.  This story needs an In Search Of investigation.
 
2014-05-19 07:44:42 PM  

Uzzah: Ambivalence: I'm curious if this would be considered "evidence" of reincarnation.  You know, for those who value evidence.

Well, here's how it works for figuring out who the Dalai Lama has reincarnated as:

a committee of sorts comprised of High Lamas and Tibetan governmental officials begin the search for the reincarnated tulku by consulting the Nechung Oracle, the official seer of Tibet. In the past, the High Lamas next traveled to Lhamo Lhatso, made sacred to the Dalai Lamas by the promise of a spirit who resided there, Palden Lhamo, to protect their reincarnation. There, the High Lamas meditated beside the lake and experienced visions and dreams that guided their search. If the Dalai Lama had been cremated, the direction the smoke blew was also noted with great interest. Typically, it takes two to three years to find the reincarnated Dalai Lama, although with the latest, the 14th, it took four.

When the High Lamas believed they had found the reincarnated Dalai Lama, they conducted a simple test. Several articles, only some of which were owned by the previous Dalai Lama, are placed in front of the child. If he chooses the correct items, this is read as a sign, along with the previous signs and some set of secret signs, that he is the tulku.

Next, three of the former Dalai Lama's servants who knew him well are asked to confirm the child's identity; other officials are also required to sign off on it, too. If more than one boy is identified in this manner and a clear choice cannot be made, the names are placed in a vase, and the name drawn out is that of the person that will become the next Dalai Lama.

Upon formal confirmation, the Dalai Lama is traditionally taken with his family to the Drepung Monastery in Lhasa to begin his studies. Except for the 4th Dalai Lama, who was born in Mongolia, the Dalai Lamas were all born in Tibet.


Those high lamas must be pretty pissed to be passed over like that.
 
2014-05-19 07:46:44 PM  

StokeyBob: People aren't just born, they are a continuation of life. I think many of us remember past things and then about three we go through a wiping of past memories.

Though I would expect him to be a direct descendant of himself to remember these things.

Think about all the memories a young chicken has locked up in the two cells from its parents. Even separated at birth they can go on to know to peep, peck , scratch, and a whole life full of other things and at one point it was all contained in just two cells.


Huh? Wut? WTF? Whachoo talking about, Willis? Get the eff out of here.

/sorry about your Asperger's syndrome
 
2014-05-19 07:54:24 PM  
I could be wrong here, but it doesn't seem a stretch to imagine that it's a relatively small community (if the kid knew where it happened he likely lived near enough), that the murder was suspected, that the murderer was suspected, the location of the body may have been known (by some people), and that these suspicions were either subtly or not so subtly passed to the boy who revealed them as his own information.  That could fit the facts without requiring magic.
 
2014-05-19 07:55:40 PM  
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For those that don't believe in reincarnation.
 
2014-05-19 07:57:06 PM  
Oh and I meant "facts"...  that which is presented as such, giving them the benefit of the doubt.
 
2014-05-19 08:00:29 PM  
I had a strawberry birthmark on the back of my head as a baby.
Clearly I was shot execution style in a past life.
 
2014-05-19 08:01:31 PM  
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Trippy
 
2014-05-19 08:02:42 PM  

JoieD'Zen: This is not as uncommon as some might think.


Made up bullshiat rarely is.
 
2014-05-19 08:06:08 PM  
If we come back as opposites, I'm conviced I was once a teetotalling, Olympic grade athletic womanizer
 
2014-05-19 08:06:30 PM  
If this kid was reincarnated, I could understand him able to point out his past-life killer.  But how the fark would he know where the killer buried his body?
 
2014-05-19 08:06:53 PM  

Triumph: Who gets reincarnated in the same town? Or even the same galaxy?


This is actually a very good point. When people say they were reincarnated it has always been multiple lives that all revolve around shiat they already know. Even before we discovered exoplanets, someone should have past life experience as a silicon based life form that lived in a methane lake.

But nope. You can't even find someone whose past life was the worlds shiattiest Masai who was stomped to death at age 9.
 
2014-05-19 08:10:53 PM  

mr_crash_davis: His mother could also show you the axe wound from which he was born.


Comment of the day.
 
2014-05-19 08:11:45 PM  

StokeyBob: People aren't just born, they are a continuation of life. I think many of us remember past things and then about three we go through a wiping of past memories.

Though I would expect him to be a direct descendant of himself to remember these things.

Think about all the memories a young chicken has locked up in the two cells from its parents. Even separated at birth they can go on to know to peep, peck , scratch, and a whole life full of other things and at one point it was all contained in just two cells.


God knows a single sperm can transmit terabytes of info. That's why the next innovation of removal drives will involve cum.
 
2014-05-19 08:11:48 PM  

BSABSVR: Triumph: Who gets reincarnated in the same town? Or even the same galaxy?

This is actually a very good point. When people say they were reincarnated it has always been multiple lives that all revolve around shiat they already know. Even before we discovered exoplanets, someone should have past life experience as a silicon based life form that lived in a methane lake.

But nope. You can't even find someone whose past life was the worlds shiattiest Masai who was stomped to death at age 9.


Simple, our human brains can't comprehend alien memories and therefore are never transferred. If you don't have memories of a past life, you were probably another life form
/I agree it's bullshiat though.
 
2014-05-19 08:15:07 PM  
My mother tells me that, when I was 3, I told her I had been an old man who was shot in a church in New York.
 
2014-05-19 08:15:47 PM  

RedT: JohnnyC: untaken_name: JohnnyC: Hearsay is not evidence, it occasionally leads to evidence, but is never the evidence. The entire story could be (and likely is) completely made up. I value evidence... not hearsay.

Do you live in a court of law? If you mother tells you that your aunt said she got a new car, do you demand that she prove it because you can't believe hearsay? If so, you are a douchebag.

My mother telling me that my aunt said she got a new car is not an extraordinary claim, I can safely believe that my mother is accurate and even if she isn't and I find out later that my aunt didn't buy a new car it isn't like the idea was fundamental to my world view. If, however, my mother claimed that my aunt made a new car appear just by wishing for it... that would be an extraordinary claim that I would need some really solid evidence to even consider believing. Claiming reincarnation is true is also an extraordinary claim that I'm going to need a lot more than hearsay to believe.

Also... the word hearsay isn't only used in court. Seems a lot simpler to say, "that's hearsay", than, "that's information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated". Of course you might not be into the whole brevity thing.

You're mother saying that your aunt got a new car is not proof, and is hearsay. However you can choose to believe hearsay. That doesn't make it proof.

People rely on trusted hearsay all the time for things that do not require proof (like your aunt's new car).

If I asked you if you had proof that your aunt got a new car and your only response was that your mother had told you so, I would conclude that you did not have proof.

This is really not that difficult.


BUT the point is who the fark cares? Whether or not his aunt bought a new car has (a) no impact on his life, (2) is not outside the realm of possibility, (iii) does not need to be believed nor disbelieved; it merely needs to be filed away, as it lacks importance.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Corollary: completely meaningless claims require completely meaningless proof.

So, again: who the fark cares? How the hell could you take a generalized statement about "woo" and start questioning whether or not his aunt bought a new car? Lay off the alcohol: it's only freaking Monday.
 
2014-05-19 08:16:11 PM  

untaken_name: JohnnyC: Hearsay is not evidence, it occasionally leads to evidence, but is never the evidence. The entire story could be (and likely is) completely made up. I value evidence... not hearsay.

Do you live in a court of law? If you mother tells you that your aunt said she got a new car, do you demand that she prove it because you can't believe hearsay? If so, you are a douchebag.


You know another type of douchebag? People who make terrible comparisons and expect people to recognize their brilliance.
 
2014-05-19 08:26:06 PM  

StokeyBob: People aren't just born, they are a continuation of life. I think many of us remember past things and then about three we go through a wiping of past memories.

Though I would expect him to be a direct descendant of himself to remember these things.

Think about all the memories a young chicken has locked up in the two cells from its parents. Even separated at birth they can go on to know to peep, peck , scratch, and a whole life full of other things and at one point it was all contained in just two cells.



instinct =/= memory.
 
2014-05-19 08:28:12 PM  

StokeyBob: People aren't just born, they are a continuation of life. I think many of us remember past things and then about three we go through a wiping of past memories.

Though I would expect him to be a direct descendant of himself to remember these things.

Think about all the memories a young chicken has locked up in the two cells from its parents. Even separated at birth they can go on to know to peep, peck , scratch, and a whole life full of other things and at one point it was all contained in just two cells.


Don't know what "instinct" means, do you?
 
2014-05-19 08:42:54 PM  

JohnnyC: RedT: You're mother saying that your aunt got a new car is not proof, and is hearsay.

Now you're just being weird... 

"You are mother saying that your aunt got a new car is not proof, and is hearsay."

;)


Gah! Dang it!
I swear it was my phone!
This thing hates me!
 
2014-05-19 08:43:44 PM  
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I am confused. I thought that Christianity was the one true religion, as was proven in the above documentary. How can reincarnation also be true?
 
2014-05-19 08:45:14 PM  

Doc Batarang: timujin: He was born with a long, red birthmark on his head. The Druse believe, as some other cultures do, that birthmarks are related to past-life deaths. When the boy was old enough to talk, he told his family he had been killed by a blow to the head with an axe.

I have a birthmark on the side of my knee, probably took an arrow to it.

Hahaha...but it was Tamerlane who took the arrow to the knee, not Genghis Khan :).


Damnit I was going to say that, but bring two hours late it seems you beat me to it.

/history is fun
//time travel so I can make timely quips would be more fun.
 
2014-05-19 08:46:21 PM  
An acquaintance misled me into sitting through a performance by the Falun Dafa's performing arts arm.  Only three of the dance pieces seemed to be overtly critical of the CCP.  Both of the vocal performances, however (if the opera translation was to be trusted), were blistering, going on about steadfastness in the face of the red beast and the like.  A white-male-Asian-female hosting duo in formal wear rambled on through wooden, propagandistic monologues in alternating English and Mandarin.  Throughout the performances, lurid, pixelated images of the cosmos and of stereotypically Chinese landscapes (pointy mountains beside a river, ornate palaces, etc.) were projected on a giant screen behind the stage.  Someone near me in the audience smelled strongly of Lysol.

/Cult story, bro.
 
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