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(Think Progress)   Alaska's Senate race is kinda like a game of "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader" where everyone is trying to lose   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 57
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2014-05-19 02:07:51 PM  
He should use that speech when campaigning in Newtok and Barrow.
 
2014-05-19 02:12:01 PM  
Wow, he actually said fossil fuels and not Jesus fuels.
 
2014-05-19 02:21:18 PM  
Still, even Begich is more of a moderate when it comes to regulating heat-trapping emissions. Though he acknowledges global warming is real and has outwardly supported a cap on greenhouse gas emissions, he has said he is more concerned about the fiscal cost of action than the physical cost of inaction.

The sentiment is in line with his record, as Begich has been one of a small group of Democrats to vote with Republican senators to prohibit the regulation of greenhouse gases from certain sources. He has also declared support for oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and allowing horizontal drilling into Alaska's Coastal Plain.


So Begich, an elected Democrat, is playing the "moderate" by voting with the Republicans on stupid stuff like "should we drill for oil in a wildlife refuge when oil companies have absolutely no clue how to fix it if anything goes wrong?" and "are greenhouse gases something we should limit?" What does he get in return?

"Apparently, our junior senator is unaware that there are good reasons to doubt the alarmists' conclusions," Miller said, citing the same three articles.

The same derp that any other Democrat gets. The "Genuine Article" Rule applies.
 
2014-05-19 02:51:12 PM  
Alaska is sure a lot like Alabama, just bigger, with less people, with lots more money.
 
2014-05-19 03:19:07 PM  
They're rooting for global warming because they all live in farking Alaska.

Occam's Razor, people!
 
2014-05-19 03:25:09 PM  
I like how they call them "anti-climate"
 
2014-05-19 03:29:05 PM  
These guys have delusions on top of their delusions.
 
2014-05-19 03:31:47 PM  
I see Joe Miller still has that stupid perfectly maintained "Look how hard I'm trying to look like I don't care" permanent four-day stubble.
 
2014-05-19 03:35:20 PM  

Sgt Otter: I see Joe Miller still has that stupid perfectly maintained "Look how hard I'm trying to look like I don't care" permanent four-day stubble.


I wonder if this fools the roughnecks and other genuinely rugged denizens of the state.
 
2014-05-19 03:56:03 PM  
to "come clean" about their beliefs on man-made climate change, saying he's the only true skeptic of the bunch.

This could get rather hilarious if conservatives push to be the most conservative causes them to begin discounting all sorts of things.
 
2014-05-19 04:00:24 PM  
Treadwell, he said, has voiced support of "a similar agenda," proven by the fact that he once testified before the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs in 2009 touting a plan to "us[e] cleaner fuels and methods to avoid emissions of soot, black carbon which promotes Arctic warming."

This is a bad thing to these people. Think about it.

Treadwell should challenge him to suck on a tailpipe to show how unconcerned he is about emissions.
 
2014-05-19 04:00:27 PM  
The dumbest dumb to ever dumb a dumb...

winning!
 
2014-05-19 04:00:56 PM  

RminusQ: Still, even Begich is more of a moderate when it comes to regulating heat-trapping emissions. Though he acknowledges global warming is real and has outwardly supported a cap on greenhouse gas emissions, he has said he is more concerned about the fiscal cost of action than the physical cost of inaction.

The sentiment is in line with his record, as Begich has been one of a small group of Democrats to vote with Republican senators to prohibit the regulation of greenhouse gases from certain sources. He has also declared support for oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and allowing horizontal drilling into Alaska's Coastal Plain.

So Begich, an elected Democrat, is playing the "moderate" by voting with the Republicans on stupid stuff like "should we drill for oil in a wildlife refuge when oil companies have absolutely no clue how to fix it if anything goes wrong?" and "are greenhouse gases something we should limit?" What does he get in return?

"Apparently, our junior senator is unaware that there are good reasons to doubt the alarmists' conclusions," Miller said, citing the same three articles.

The same derp that any other Democrat gets. The "Genuine Article" Rule applies.


The problem is that the political spectrum has been redefined by Republicans to move the Tea Party to the left of the center. Anybody who is to the left of the Tea Party is therefore automatically on the outer fringes.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 04:00:56 PM  
I farking love this one. Good jorb, subby.
 
2014-05-19 04:02:04 PM  
The oil and gas industry is kind of a big deal in Alaska, so this isn't a surprise.
 
2014-05-19 04:02:54 PM  
thinkprogress.org

I just cannot fathom why this stubble-faced thug is allowed to remain at large, let alone allowed to run for office again. He's got some dark, vile ideas in that diseased skull of his, and all he needs is the power of political office to carry them out.
 
2014-05-19 04:03:10 PM  
Is it called an "open U.S. Senate seat" if there's an incumbent, or does whoever wrote that article need a civics lesson?
 
2014-05-19 04:07:30 PM  
It's not like they have to try very hard.
 
2014-05-19 04:09:15 PM  

Diogenes: They're rooting for global warming because they all live in farking Alaska.

Occam's Razor, people!


This May has been setting records throughout a lot of the state.  Weather we normally get in mid to late June showed up 6 weeks early.  I have been overhearing a lot of comments along the line of "If this is global warming we will take it!"

I just keep walking in those situations anymore.  Not worth the trouble to point out that a number of lakes and waterways are running *extremely* low due to the mild winter and low snowpack, nor the fact that many areas around the state have reached the "Extreme Fire Danger" phase 2 months early.
 
2014-05-19 04:10:18 PM  
We don't even know if science exists. Jesus never mentioned science in the bible. Therefore, science is merely a theory.

/Vote for vudukungfu

//He's derpier than Palin.
 
2014-05-19 04:11:28 PM  
Perhaps they are all Russian special forces who infiltrated the Alaskan senate race to make sure the stupidest person imaginable is elected.
 
2014-05-19 04:12:35 PM  
That's impressive. We are officially seeing a race for a national office where the participants are competing with ignorance. Dumbest one wins.

This is where the Republican party is. Douglas Adams once said that people who have faith also have the habit of seeing "faith" as a strength, and compete against each other to see who has the most faith points. Whoever can believe the craziest thing wins. So once you get up into "virgin birth" territory, you're sort of showing off - "flexing your faith muscles."

Republicans have gone from despising everything outside their comfort zone, to denying everything outside their comfort zone, to claiming that anything outside their comfort zone simply doesn't exist. Dinosaurs, evolution, the speed of light, all quaint fictions LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

The competition for the soul of the Republican party is over, and those guys WON. It's no longer a debate between critical thinking and faith; it's now a debate to see who has the most faith. The party is officially in the Dark Ages.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 04:15:23 PM  

AirForceVet: Alaska is sure a lot like Alabama, just bigger, with less people, with lots more money.


Plus they hate socialism while they love the fact that they automatically get a share of oil dividends administered by the state...
 
2014-05-19 04:16:34 PM  
An Alaskan fifth grader? If you have a pulse, you win.
 
2014-05-19 04:17:27 PM  
Good lord.  In less than 2 years we will have actual adults elected to something national who will say that rain is God's tears.
 
2014-05-19 04:22:10 PM  
With the Republicans "I got mine, fark you" attitude, I expect some Alaskans to soon be PROMOTING global warming since Alaska will likely be a geographic "winner" of the changes.
 
2014-05-19 04:24:11 PM  

AirForceVet: Alaska is sure a lot like Alabama, just bigger, with less people, with lots more money.


We get a lot of them Jesusy "No gubmint!" bootstrappy types moving up here from the Lesser 48. It lowers the overall IQ of the state.
 
2014-05-19 04:27:16 PM  

Skyd1v: This May has been setting records throughout a lot of the state. Weather we normally get in mid to late June showed up 6 weeks early. I have been overhearing a lot of comments along the line of "If this is global warming we will take it!"

I just keep walking in those situations anymore. Not worth the trouble to point out that a number of lakes and waterways are running *extremely* low due to the mild winter and low snowpack, nor the fact that many areas around the state have reached the "Extreme Fire Danger" phase 2 months early.


People think that "global warming" means everybody gets warmer weather, which is nicer. Well, maybe, but some people also get the Sahara.
 
2014-05-19 04:27:19 PM  

Skyd1v: Diogenes: They're rooting for global warming because they all live in farking Alaska.

Occam's Razor, people!

This May has been setting records throughout a lot of the state.  Weather we normally get in mid to late June showed up 6 weeks early.  I have been overhearing a lot of comments along the line of "If this is global warming we will take it!"

I just keep walking in those situations anymore.  Not worth the trouble to point out that a number of lakes and waterways are running *extremely* low due to the mild winter and low snowpack, nor the fact that many areas around the state have reached the "Extreme Fire Danger" phase 2 months early.


Or that forests around Fairbanks are falling over due to melting permafrost. Holy shiat, I don't want to think about what the mosquito population is going to be up there.
 
2014-05-19 04:29:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: to "come clean" about their beliefs on man-made climate change, saying he's the only true skeptic of the bunch.

This could get rather hilarious if conservatives push to be the most conservative causes them to begin discounting all sorts of things.


LOL.  "And what's the deal with breathing?"  Some sketch show jump on that.
 
2014-05-19 04:30:01 PM  

12349876: With the Republicans "I got mine, fark you" attitude, I expect some Alaskans to soon be PROMOTING global warming since Alaska will likely be a geographic "winner" of the changes.


All of the largest population centers in the state, save Fairbanks, are on the coast. Rising sea levels will destroy Alaska.
 
2014-05-19 04:34:56 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Perhaps they are all Russian special forces who infiltrated the Alaskan senate race to make sure the stupidest person imaginable is elected.


Russians?  probably not.

(hail Hydra!)
 
2014-05-19 04:39:04 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Rising sea levels will destroy Alaska.


And Joe Miller will smugly stand on the coastline talking about how Al Gore is fat as he gets drowned.
 
2014-05-19 04:51:40 PM  
FTFA: "In a Saturday statement, Senate candidate Joe Miller said his primary opponents  ..."

Joe Miller?

Are you kidding me?

Theses guys aren't even trying to pretend they're not jokes.
 
2014-05-19 04:57:10 PM  
 
2014-05-19 04:57:55 PM  
(The 'Joe Miller Joke Book' dates from Farking 1739!  Holy Crap!)
 
2014-05-19 05:03:44 PM  

Diogenes: They're rooting for global warming because they all live in farking Alaska.

Occam's Razor, people!


I'll be laughing when the permafrost melts and they all sink into the sludge.

At least, I would laugh if it didn't fark up the whole planet.  But anyone who thinks global warming will turn Alaska into a tropical paradise and not into a mosquito infested mud hole has a big surprise in store.
 
2014-05-19 05:07:36 PM  

vudukungfu: We don't even know if science exists. Jesus never mentioned science in the bible. Therefore, science is merely a theory.

/Vote for vudukungfu

//He's derpier than Palin.


But I just walked past a church that said "Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist". I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE ANYMORE.
 
2014-05-19 05:22:59 PM  
Well, I imagine they know more about climate science than thinkprogress does.  Then again, that wouldn't be hard.  I've met potheads who know more about climate science than thinkprogress.  Really, the title of the article should be "These people who want to run for Senate in Alaska don't agree with our point of view, so we'll call them stupid."  In other words:
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-19 05:34:20 PM  

DGS: I farking love this one. Good jorb, subby.


*bows*

I got 3 greens today. I'm on fire!
 
2014-05-19 05:44:33 PM  
In other words, 'climate science' is for Republicans like "Economics" is for Democrats.

gotcha.
 
2014-05-19 05:47:48 PM  

The Maha Rushie: In other words, 'climate science' is for Republicans like "Economics" is for Democrats.

gotcha.


As in, something the Democrats understand, while the Republicans are married to theories that have long since been debunked and flat-out refuse to consider altering their beliefs in any way? Sounds about right.
 
2014-05-19 05:56:25 PM  

Ed Grubermann: 12349876: With the Republicans "I got mine, fark you" attitude, I expect some Alaskans to soon be PROMOTING global warming since Alaska will likely be a geographic "winner" of the changes.

All of the largest population centers in the state, save Fairbanks, are on the coast. Rising sea levels will destroy Alaska.


they'll have to move a little inland, but their tundra becomes prime farming land.
 
2014-05-19 06:09:21 PM  

qorkfiend: The Maha Rushie: In other words, 'climate science' is for Republicans like "Economics" is for Democrats.

gotcha.

As in, something the Democrats very few people fully understand, while the Republicans fanatics on both sides are married to theories that have long since been debunked and flat-out refuse to consider altering their beliefs in any way? Sounds about right.

FIFY
 
2014-05-19 06:12:31 PM  

12349876: Ed Grubermann: 12349876: With the Republicans "I got mine, fark you" attitude, I expect some Alaskans to soon be PROMOTING global warming since Alaska will likely be a geographic "winner" of the changes.

All of the largest population centers in the state, save Fairbanks, are on the coast. Rising sea levels will destroy Alaska.

they'll have to move a little inland, but their tundra becomes prime farming land.


If the climate warms by that much, fark that- I'm building a rocket to orbit the planet while the massive waves of volcanic eruptions and earthquakes subside.  Anyone know where I can lay my hands on some LOx?
 
2014-05-19 06:19:51 PM  

12349876: Ed Grubermann: 12349876: With the Republicans "I got mine, fark you" attitude, I expect some Alaskans to soon be PROMOTING global warming since Alaska will likely be a geographic "winner" of the changes.

All of the largest population centers in the state, save Fairbanks, are on the coast. Rising sea levels will destroy Alaska.

they'll have to move a little inland, but their tundra becomes prime farming land.


Nope. The tundra is sitting on top of permafrost. Global warming will melt that and turn it into bogs and swamps. That's already happening around Fairbanks.
 
2014-05-19 06:32:24 PM  

12349876: Ed Grubermann: 12349876: With the Republicans "I got mine, fark you" attitude, I expect some Alaskans to soon be PROMOTING global warming since Alaska will likely be a geographic "winner" of the changes.

All of the largest population centers in the state, save Fairbanks, are on the coast. Rising sea levels will destroy Alaska.

they'll have to move a little inland, but their tundra becomes prime farming land.


Eh, probably not.  The interior of the state is a semi-arid climate so unless weather patterns change and bring more moisture, then the taiga is going to be pretty dry.  One of the things that partly offsets the difficulties of farming on Zone 1-2 land is that there aren't nearly as many pests to worry about and warmer climate would presumably change that. The tundra is generally farther north and isn't easily farmable for reasons that go beyond temperature, so warming climate won't really improve much there.

/Yes, I am a farmer in Interior Alaska.
 
2014-05-19 07:05:32 PM  
Someone should ask them about Obama's birth certificate.

I wonder how low they can go?
 
2014-05-19 08:00:38 PM  
As odd as it sounds, it's kind of hard to be a climate change skeptic in Alaska.  This February Anchorage had a day that reached 60 degrees.  I spent the first 25 years of my life in Anchorage (a while ago) and it is never that warm in February.

Lakes are literally bubbling from the methane released from melting permafrost.  PERMAFROST.  They call it that for a reason, because it never ever thaws.  Well it's thawing now.

So while this chucklenut may be trying to use his skepticism as a selling point, it is very difficult to argue climate change when the change is as dramatic as it is in Alaska.  That being said, seeing the effects of climate change first hand doesn't mean Alaskans don't still want that sweet sweet oil money flowing through.
 
2014-05-19 09:07:27 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Well, I imagine they know more about climate science than thinkprogress does.  Then again, that wouldn't be hard.  I've met potheads who know more about climate science than thinkprogress.  Really, the title of the article should be "These people who want to run for Senate in Alaska don't agree with our point of view, so we'll call them stupid."  In other words:
[img.fark.net image 640x550]


When did  facts become a "point of view?"

If that's one "point of view," the only remaining "point of view" is ignorance.
 
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