Mugato: ActionJoe: It also helped that everyone was a farking moron, especially the Jedi. Oh, the dark side is clouding their judgement....it does not take telepathic like sense to figure out someone high up was manipulating the events of the warI think it was just unfathomable to the Jedi that someone could rise to Chancellor and also be a Sith Lord, someone that no one has ever had any experience with and whose very existence is pretty much a myth.Then later when Yoda just gives up against Palpatine....when the fate of the galaxy is in the balance you don't just give upYoda obviously knew he couldn't win. He proved himself as not being one to rush into more combat if he knew he couldn't win. As for the senate floor, everyone was off skiing at their winter homes and banging interns like our own senate, there wasn't anyone there to see the fight.
bark_atda_moon: My biggest gripe about RotJ is the ending. The Death Star is destroyed and there is an immediate after-party. Why didn't the giant fleet of Star Destroyers destroy what was left of the Rebel Fleet?
Nix Nightbird: As I said previously, Ralph McQuarrie artwork makes it clear that Ewoks are used to fighting much more powerful foes. The reason they have villages in the tree tops is because one of the main predators on Endor are creatures called Gorax.[img1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x637]They can get to be 60 meters tall, and they like Ewok meat.Ewoks have lived with these things for many centuries. They fight them off when they attack villages. This is how an Ewok spends his life: Wake up, hunt for food, reinforce village, mate, eat, fight off 190-foot monster trying to eat your mate and pups, repair damage, sleep, wake in the night to defend the village against flying predators, sleep, wake, hunt for food...[basementrejects.com image 600x305]So I'd think a race of beings who have learned to survive on a world where 190-foot monsters go after them regularly might be a bit more capable as warriors, hunters, and trappers than they'd appear to be. So they're small and furry? Yeah, and they know the moon's trees, animals, and terrain better than anyone. They know how to make traps that can take down foes who are ALL much larger and stronger than they are. They perfected this as a species. This is what they do.The Empire underestimated them and suffered for it.
Nix Nightbird: Technically, Vader flips a toggle switch. The door Maul opens is an electronic palm-pad, IIRC. So I guess the Dark Side isn't good at subtle electronic manipulations, or maybe Maul just didn't know that technique and it was easier to use brute force and slam something into it. Vader, on the other hand, was only dealing with a flip-toggle; Not especially hard to manipulate.
show me: I liked it best at the time, and it's still way up there. When Vader picks up the Emperor and throws him down the shaft it gave me goosebumps. It still does.
Cymbal: He had to construct his new lightsaber for one thing, and Yoda would have helped him with that.
Cymbal: I think he most likely did go back for training with Yoda between ESB and ROTJ. He had to construct his new lightsaber for one thing, and Yoda would have helped him with that.
TV's Vinnie: My big bugaboo is "What would a Sith want with the Galaxy"? I
verbaltoxin: bark_atda_moon: I thought the Imperial forces greatly outnumbered the Rebels. The only reason the Rebels survived was because the Emperor stupidly ordered the Star Destroyers not to fire while he was playing with his fully armed and operational toy. The Rebels were under the impression that there was no imperial fleet near the Death Star.I think all six movies illustrate that Palpatine was a master manipulator, but utter sh*t at everything else. He had all the power but spoiled it because he was an egotistical asshole. Emperor he could become, but emperor he could not be.Even at the end, when Darth's ready to turn babyface he couldn't help himself. Palpatine tried to convince Luke to kill Vader and become his apprentice wih Vader standing right there.So it makes sense that he'd pick crappy officers and raise an army that looked intimidating, but was corrupt and inept as all get-out. The empire had one thing going: size. It was massive and pervasive. But the whole galaxy knew how to skirt around Palpatine's authority, and many characters were proud to ignore it (Especially gangsters and smugglers).
Bith Set Me Up: MugzyBrown: Nana's Vibrator: Goddamned Jedi Luke Skywalker has to throw a rock at a switch to kill the Rancor, but not until after he manually puts a bone in its mouth to keep it from biting down on him.And he has to manually fight everyone on Jabba's 2 transports instead of using the force to shove them off and into Sarlacc.Per my recollection, Lucas really amp'd up the force powers in Eps 1-3 than was shown all through the originally series.It makes sense if you assume Obi-Wan and Yoda taught Luke the bare essentials.
extroverted_suicide: Vader was completely f'ing with him. He was fighting him one handed most of the time. He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.
MooseMuffin: The only thing about the whole original trilogy that bothers me is that Luke walks up to Vader in Empire, pulls out his lightsaber, and kinda holds his own for a bit. Seems strange, since that appears to be his first experience with a fight of that kind, and Vader's been kicking ass for years. Are we assuming he's been sparing with Yoda?And the A New Hope dual is distractingly awful. Other than that, I love everything about those movies.
DubyaHater: I have never heard of "Return of the Jedi". I had to click on the link. I don't watch movies (or TV in general) so I couldn't give an opinion anyway. After reading that article, seems like I'm not missing much.
bark_atda_moon: Jim_Callahan: The entire 'trap' hinged on the fact that, had the DS not been working, the imperial forces would be massively outnumbered and outgunned. This was why they risked the attack in the first place.Once the station was destroyed... the imperials were just massively outnumbered and outgunned, without the 'trap' aspect. Withdrawing from that territory was the right call.// Albeit it was never quite clear how long hyperspace trips actually took in the movies. I'd always assumed they were equivalent to trans-oceanic voyages, taking something like months in out-of-hyperspace time, given the whole port/hub organization of shipping and so on. So they couldn't just hot-drop more of their forces on there in the apparent seconds seen by the people in the warping ship.I thought the Imperial forces greatly outnumbered the Rebels. The only reason the Rebels survived was because the Emperor stupidly ordered the Star Destroyers not to fire while he was playing with his fully armed and operational toy. The Rebels were under the impression that there was no imperial fleet near the Death Star.
bark_atda_moon: Imagine if the Americans retreated during the Battle of Midway after the Yorktown was sunk.
flynn80: Nabb1: Yeah, the Ewoks were pandering to the younger kids. I still put "Empire" on a pedestal, but I still love ROTJ in spite of its faults.And that is how we ended up with Jar-Jar
TV's Vinnie: And firing at the exhaust port from a horizontal level when the damn hole could have been approached from a straight-down firing angle?
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