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2014-05-19 02:22:38 PM

MugzyBrown: Nana's Vibrator: Goddamned Jedi Luke Skywalker has to throw a rock at a switch to kill the Rancor, but not until after he manually puts a bone in its mouth to keep it from biting down on him.
And he has to manually fight everyone on Jabba's 2 transports instead of using the force to shove them off and into Sarlacc.

Per my recollection, Lucas really amp'd up the force powers in Eps 1-3 than was shown all through the originally series.


It makes sense if you assume Obi-Wan and Yoda taught Luke the bare essentials.
 
2014-05-19 02:23:13 PM
VIX?
 
2014-05-19 02:26:09 PM
Zahn was a great apologist, but yeah, Lucas was a hack when it came to telling a consistent, suspenseful story.

Oblig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbkN9vb__8
 
2014-05-19 02:43:03 PM
It isn't a hard argument to make that ROTJ did deliver despite everyone's favourite forest teddies.  From the get-go Luke was finally showing some badassery after being shiat on by Yoda for most of the last film, Leia had stripped down to beach attire in perfect sync with audiences' exploding pubescence, Solo was finally fully on board with the Rebellion.  Plus more lightsabers.  Good times.
 
2014-05-19 02:47:08 PM

DubyaHater: I have never heard of "Return of the Jedi". I had to click on the link. I don't watch movies (or TV in general) so I couldn't give an opinion anyway. After reading that article, seems like I'm not missing much.


Thanks for the awesome contribution to this thread.
 
2014-05-19 02:47:24 PM
The only thing about the whole original trilogy that bothers me is that Luke walks up to Vader in Empire, pulls out his lightsaber, and kinda holds his own for a bit.  Seems strange, since that appears to be his first experience with a fight of that kind, and Vader's been kicking ass for years.  Are we assuming he's been sparing with Yoda?

And the A New Hope dual is distractingly awful.  Other than that, I love everything about those movies.
 
2014-05-19 02:55:25 PM
Jabba's Palace segment was pretty good, although it went on a bit longer than necessary.  The Ewoks were a disgrace, but in between all that was some really good stuff going on.  You've got Lando redeeming himself for being a douchey sellout in ESB, Leia going into the belly of the beast to save the man she loves, Luke truly having to stand on his own after the death of Yoda, and the whole redemption of Vader and downfall of the Emperor couldn't have been any better.  This was the perfect ending to the real trilogy.
 
2014-05-19 02:55:55 PM

UberDave: flynn80: Nabb1: Yeah, the Ewoks were pandering to the younger kids. I still put "Empire" on a pedestal, but I still love ROTJ in spite of its faults.

And that is how we ended up with Jar-Jar


Jar-jar made the Ewoks look like...farking Shaft


New Shaft or old Shaft? because New Shaft with Samuel L Jackson sucked Elephant Balls.
 
2014-05-19 02:56:36 PM

MooseMuffin: The only thing about the whole original trilogy that bothers me is that Luke walks up to Vader in Empire, pulls out his lightsaber, and kinda holds his own for a bit.  Seems strange, since that appears to be his first experience with a fight of that kind, and Vader's been kicking ass for years.  Are we assuming he's been sparing with Yoda?

And the A New Hope dual is distractingly awful.  Other than that, I love everything about those movies.


Vader was completely f'ing with him.  He was fighting him one handed most of the time.  He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.
 
2014-05-19 02:58:13 PM

MooseMuffin: The only thing about the whole original trilogy that bothers me is that Luke walks up to Vader in Empire, pulls out his lightsaber, and kinda holds his own for a bit.  Seems strange, since that appears to be his first experience with a fight of that kind, and Vader's been kicking ass for years.  Are we assuming he's been sparing with Yoda?


Did you not watch the end of the duel? Vader had no intention of killing Luke, he never did. He wanted Luke to think that he was more powerful than he was and wanted Luke to join him.
 
2014-05-19 02:59:26 PM
I hate the fact they removed the 'old' Anakin from the end sequence of ROTJ and replaced him with pointless young Anakin. It completely felt like a father's sacrifice was wasted at that moment, and fark the 'that was who he was before he turned to the darkside' bullshiat excuse.
 
2014-05-19 03:00:10 PM

extroverted_suicide: Vader was completely f'ing with him. He was fighting him one handed most of the time. He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.


Absolutely.  Think of an adult playing 1-1 with a youngish kid.  If they just destroy them it's not fun for the kid and they'll quit.
 
2014-05-19 03:01:59 PM

bark_atda_moon: My biggest gripe about RotJ is the ending.  The Death Star is destroyed and there is an immediate after-party.  Why didn't the giant fleet of Star Destroyers destroy what was left of the Rebel Fleet?


Because the Emperor and Darth Vader knew and used Battle Meditation to increase the effectiveness of the Imperial Navy. This allowed them to substitute their ability for the subordinates ability. They promoted people based on how susceptible to the use of Force they were and not competence. Hence why the Imperial forces were composed all most exclusively of humans, as they are the weakest willed species in the galaxy. Once both sources of Battle Meditation were withdrawnImperial forces were massively incompetent.
 
2014-05-19 03:06:05 PM
Everything in the throne room between Vader, Luke and the Emperor was gold. When Luke finally loses it and succumbs to the Dark Side, going after Vader it was epic. That and Anakin's funeral pyre was simply great cinema.

Who gets paid to write all this shiat that was already covered in theforce.net.com forums like 15 years ago?
 
2014-05-19 03:12:30 PM

ConConHead: I hate the fact they removed the 'old' Anakin from the end sequence of ROTJ and replaced him with pointless young Anakin. It completely felt like a father's sacrifice was wasted at that moment, and fark the 'that was who he was before he turned to the darkside' bullshiat excuse.


I don't get why people are pissed at this. Now that we've seen the prequels and we know what young Anakin looks like, the original ghost Anakin wouldn't make any sense because he never looked like that. He either looked like a burned up head and torso or he looked like he was before he was "murdered" by Vader. He never looked like the guy in the original version of the movie.

So if you're coming back as a spirit, which form would you choose? Anakin chose the form he remembers he wish he was, Obi Wan chose his older form, the one Luke remembers and Yoda is Yoda. I don't see the problem.
 
2014-05-19 03:20:55 PM

extroverted_suicide: Vader was completely f'ing with him.  He was fighting him one handed most of the time.  He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.


Mugato: Did you not watch the end of the duel? Vader had no intention of killing Luke, he never did. He wanted Luke to think that he was more powerful than he was and wanted Luke to join him.


Sorta.  Vader's other two duals are fighting an old guy to a draw before the old guy sacrifices himself, and losing to Luke in ROTJ.  In the fight in Empire, his first goal was to freeze Luke, which he fails to do, then he gets kicked off a platform and takes a minor saber blow to the shoulder before winning.  The onscreen action doesn't build a great for him as badass lightsaber grandmaster.
 
2014-05-19 03:32:14 PM

Mugato: MooseMuffin: The only thing about the whole original trilogy that bothers me is that Luke walks up to Vader in Empire, pulls out his lightsaber, and kinda holds his own for a bit.  Seems strange, since that appears to be his first experience with a fight of that kind, and Vader's been kicking ass for years.  Are we assuming he's been sparing with Yoda?

Did you not watch the end of the duel? Vader had no intention of killing Luke, he never did. He wanted Luke to think that he was more powerful than he was and wanted Luke to join him.


Not only does Vader not want Luke dead, he saves Luke's life and let's him go.  Once Luke realizes he is beaten, he lets go of the railing with full intention to plummet to his death.  Vader uses The Force to direct him into that tube thing.  And as in Episode IV, the Falcon's subsequent rescue of Luke and escape is just too easy given that the place is overrun with imperial forces.   That's all Vader.
 
2014-05-19 03:32:18 PM

mjbok: Just the sheer number of composited elements in one frame is unreal.  That is also why there is a mistake in the initial shot of the Tie Fighters swarming the Falcon


learned about the masking error in the original making-of documentary, so every time I've seen the movie  I can't help but notice it. Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-05-19 03:33:47 PM

MooseMuffin: Sorta.  Vader's other two duals are fighting an old guy to a draw before the old guy sacrifices himself, and losing to Luke in ROTJ.  In the fight in Empire, his first goal was to freeze Luke, which he fails to do, then he gets kicked off a platform and takes a minor saber blow to the shoulder before winning.  The onscreen action doesn't build a great for him as badass lightsaber grandmaster.


The duel between Vader and Obai Wan was more of a chess match than a Jet Li/Jackie Chan kung fu movie type fight. They had done it all before. It was more of a strategy match between two masters rather than who could do the most back flips. Besides, no one ever said that Vader, in his cybernetic suit was nearly the fighter he was than before he got all farked up.

In Empire it was a combination Vader making Luke feel that he was a powerful fighter while at the same time making him learn that he still needed a Vader to overthrow the Emperor. So he gave him a few small victories before he out the smack down.
 
2014-05-19 03:34:17 PM

MooseMuffin: extroverted_suicide: Vader was completely f'ing with him.  He was fighting him one handed most of the time.  He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.

Mugato: Did you not watch the end of the duel? Vader had no intention of killing Luke, he never did. He wanted Luke to think that he was more powerful than he was and wanted Luke to join him.

Sorta.  Vader's other two duals are fighting an old guy to a draw before the old guy sacrifices himself, and losing to Luke in ROTJ.  In the fight in Empire, his first goal was to freeze Luke, which he fails to do, then he gets kicked off a platform and takes a minor saber blow to the shoulder before winning.  The onscreen action doesn't build a great for him as badass lightsaber grandmaster.


Anakin was a badass lightsaber dualist before he became "more machine now than man". Vader's suit, while allowing him to walk, is a pretty significant physical handicap. He essentially has to carry around an iron lung into every battle.
 
2014-05-19 03:36:26 PM

Persnickety: Not only does Vader not want Luke dead, he saves Luke's life and let's him go. Once Luke realizes he is beaten, he lets go of the railing with full intention to plummet to his death. Vader uses The Force to direct him into that tube thing. And as in Episode IV, the Falcon's subsequent rescue of Luke and escape is just too easy given that the place is overrun with imperial forces. That's all Vader.


First part is right. Second part is not.
 
2014-05-19 03:37:22 PM

Mugato: ConConHead: I hate the fact they removed the 'old' Anakin from the end sequence of ROTJ and replaced him with pointless young Anakin. It completely felt like a father's sacrifice was wasted at that moment, and fark the 'that was who he was before he turned to the darkside' bullshiat excuse.

I don't get why people are pissed at this. Now that we've seen the prequels and we know what young Anakin looks like, the original ghost Anakin wouldn't make any sense because he never looked like that. He either looked like a burned up head and torso or he looked like he was before he was "murdered" by Vader. He never looked like the guy in the original version of the movie.

So if you're coming back as a spirit, which form would you choose? Anakin chose the form he remembers he wish he was, Obi Wan chose his older form, the one Luke remembers and Yoda is Yoda. I don't see the problem.


It's sort of like if Picasso became a Nazi later in life and hired a Disney artist to paint B-52s with Soviet insignia along the top of the Guernica.  I mean it's his painting, right? He can go pick it up at the museum and do what he likes with it.
 
2014-05-19 03:50:38 PM

show me: I liked it best at the time, and it's still way up there. When Vader picks up the Emperor and throws him down the shaft it gave me goosebumps. It still does.


I especially like that he did it without saying or yelling anything.
 
2014-05-19 03:50:39 PM

macadamnut: I mean it's his painting, right? He can go pick it up at the museum and do what he likes with it.


Did he sell it or did he still own it?

The problem with the force ghosts is there no way Anakin should have been able to do it.  QGJ was the first one to understand it.  He passed it to Yoda, who passed it to Obi.  No one taught such things to Anakin.
 
2014-05-19 03:53:44 PM
I liked the ewoks when i wad a child. Now not so much which i guess was kind of the point of having them in the movie. Loved Jabba, the space battles and the final showdown with vader and the emperor


Speaking of star wars pandering to kids, Ive been watching the clone wars on netflix and it isnt too bad.
 
2014-05-19 03:55:39 PM
I give you art:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-19 03:59:10 PM

bark_atda_moon: Evil Mackerel: bark_atda_moon: My biggest gripe about RotJ is the ending.  The Death Star is destroyed and there is an immediate after-party.  Why didn't the giant fleet of Star Destroyers destroy what was left of the Rebel Fleet?

They bugged out after seeing the command ship and the death star get wasted. Hell, I would too.

Imagine if the Americans retreated during the Battle of Midway after the Yorktown was sunk.


So America is the Empire? Then why were they all British?
 
2014-05-19 04:06:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I give you art:

[i.imgur.com image 480x750]


Nice, never seen that before.
 
2014-05-19 04:08:47 PM
I'm off Star Wars until someone can justify the alarming lack of safety railings.  It sets a very bad example for kids.
 
2014-05-19 04:10:11 PM

Bith Set Me Up: MugzyBrown: Nana's Vibrator: Goddamned Jedi Luke Skywalker has to throw a rock at a switch to kill the Rancor, but not until after he manually puts a bone in its mouth to keep it from biting down on him.
And he has to manually fight everyone on Jabba's 2 transports instead of using the force to shove them off and into Sarlacc.

Per my recollection, Lucas really amp'd up the force powers in Eps 1-3 than was shown all through the originally series.

It makes sense if you assume Obi-Wan and Yoda taught Luke the bare essentials.


In the PM Obi-Wan had 10 to 15 years training and experiance under his belt, Qui-Gon 20 to 30 years. By the time of RotJ Luke had less than a year with Yoda.

So yeh a twenty year veteran Jedi could of just walked into Jaba's palace and killed everyone if needed. Luke had to use his brains a lot more.
 
2014-05-19 04:13:19 PM

mjbok: macadamnut: I mean it's his painting, right? He can go pick it up at the museum and do what he likes with it.

Did he sell it or did he still own it?

The problem with the force ghosts is there no way Anakin should have been able to do it.  QGJ was the first one to understand it.  He passed it to Yoda, who passed it to Obi.  No one taught such things to Anakin.


I could give a fark about the patchwork tangle of retro-active continuity revision. I don't want to watch Casablanca in color because Casablanca wasn't in color. I've seen Casablanca in color and it's complete shiat. I saw Star Wars twenty times in theaters when I was a kid and not once did Fozzie Bear make a cameo appearance walking around dressed as Jabba the Hutt.
 
2014-05-19 04:20:38 PM

verbaltoxin: bark_atda_moon: I thought the Imperial forces greatly outnumbered the Rebels. The only reason the Rebels survived was because the Emperor stupidly ordered the Star Destroyers not to fire while he was playing with his fully armed and operational toy. The Rebels were under the impression that there was no imperial fleet near the Death Star.

I think all six movies illustrate that Palpatine was a master manipulator, but utter sh*t at everything else. He had all the power but spoiled it because he was an egotistical asshole. Emperor he could become, but emperor he could not be.

Even at the end, when Darth's ready to turn babyface he couldn't help himself. Palpatine tried to convince Luke to kill Vader and become his apprentice wih Vader standing right there.

So it makes sense that he'd pick crappy officers and raise an army that looked intimidating, but was corrupt and inept as all get-out. The empire had one thing going: size. It was massive and pervasive. But the whole galaxy knew how to skirt around Palpatine's authority, and many characters were proud to ignore it (Especially gangsters and smugglers).


It also helped that everyone was a farking moron, especially the Jedi. Oh, the dark side is clouding their judgement....it does not take telepathic like sense to figure out someone high up was manipulating the events of the war. Even up until the end everything could have changed but Mace Windu went from usually very intelligent and patient to pants on head retard. Hmm, you hear that the emperor is the sith lord, well....I better only bring two other Jedi and not tell anyone else about it. Oh and let me bring the two worst lightsaber wielding Jedi in the entire galaxy.

Then later when Yoda just gives up against Palpatine....when the fate of the galaxy is in the balance you don't just give up. How nobody could have noticed a huge fight taking place in the center of the Senate makes no god damn sense either. Or hey, you know, turn on a camera during the fight. Boom, Palpatine is immediately outed as the sith lord.
 
2014-05-19 04:24:40 PM

unyon: I'm off Star Wars until someone can justify the alarming lack of safety railings.  It sets a very bad example for kids.


their OSHA really sucked.
 
2014-05-19 04:31:17 PM

TV's Vinnie: And firing at the exhaust port from a  horizontal level when the damn hole could have been approached from a straight-down firing angle?


Yeah, that part started bothering me recently.  WTF is the point of flying down that stupid trench when you could fly straight at the port and release?  Also, in what military does the term "cover me" imply "stand behind me and absorb shots until you are dead"?  Why was Han the only one capable of flying above the trench and actually providing the standard definition of cover fire?
 
2014-05-19 04:32:44 PM

ActionJoe: It also helped that everyone was a farking moron, especially the Jedi. Oh, the dark side is clouding their judgement....it does not take telepathic like sense to figure out someone high up was manipulating the events of the war


I think it was just unfathomable to the Jedi that someone could rise to Chancellor and also be a Sith Lord, someone that no one has ever had any experience with and whose very existence is pretty much a myth.

Then later when Yoda just gives up against Palpatine....when the fate of the galaxy is in the balance you don't just give up

Yoda obviously knew he couldn't win. He proved himself as not being one to rush into more combat if he knew he couldn't win. As for the senate floor, everyone was off skiing at their winter homes and banging interns like our own senate, there wasn't anyone there to see the fight.
 
2014-05-19 04:52:55 PM

Mugato: ActionJoe: It also helped that everyone was a farking moron, especially the Jedi. Oh, the dark side is clouding their judgement....it does not take telepathic like sense to figure out someone high up was manipulating the events of the war

I think it was just unfathomable to the Jedi that someone could rise to Chancellor and also be a Sith Lord, someone that no one has ever had any experience with and whose very existence is pretty much a myth.

Then later when Yoda just gives up against Palpatine....when the fate of the galaxy is in the balance you don't just give up

Yoda obviously knew he couldn't win. He proved himself as not being one to rush into more combat if he knew he couldn't win. As for the senate floor, everyone was off skiing at their winter homes and banging interns like our own senate, there wasn't anyone there to see the fight.


My big bugaboo is "What would a Sith want with the Galaxy"? I mean, is there really any joy or pleasure in ruling over it all? Wouldn't the sheer bureaucracy of having to manage every little thing going on in the vast Cosmos become a major pain in the ass? I'd think even using force-lighting and force-choking the occasional incompetent underling would lose it's thrill after the first couple dozen.

After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.
--Spock


/Yes, I deliberately chose a Spock quote just as an extra nad-slap to the Star Wars fans
 
2014-05-19 04:54:46 PM

frestcrallen: Nice, never seen that before.




i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com

As always the Empire Strikes Back is the coolest one.

wish I could credit the artiest
 
2014-05-19 04:55:32 PM

unyon: I'm off Star Wars until someone can justify the alarming lack of safety railings.  It sets a very bad example for kids.


Hell, in Star Wars kids aren't even seen as kids. Just tiny and stupid adults.
 
2014-05-19 04:58:16 PM

Cymbal: MooseMuffin: extroverted_suicide: Vader was completely f'ing with him.  He was fighting him one handed most of the time.  He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.

Mugato: Did you not watch the end of the duel? Vader had no intention of killing Luke, he never did. He wanted Luke to think that he was more powerful than he was and wanted Luke to join him.

Sorta.  Vader's other two duals are fighting an old guy to a draw before the old guy sacrifices himself, and losing to Luke in ROTJ.  In the fight in Empire, his first goal was to freeze Luke, which he fails to do, then he gets kicked off a platform and takes a minor saber blow to the shoulder before winning.  The onscreen action doesn't build a great for him as badass lightsaber grandmaster.

Anakin was a badass lightsaber dualist before he became "more machine now than man". Vader's suit, while allowing him to walk, is a pretty significant physical handicap. He essentially has to carry around an iron lung into every battle.


If anything, Vader is Grievous V2.0 AND Dooku all rolled into one.
 
2014-05-19 05:01:20 PM

TV's Vinnie: My big bugaboo is "What would a Sith want with the Galaxy"? I


Well obviously the Sith have a serious grudge against the Jedi. The Jedi have effectively ruled the galaxy for a thousand years (the Chancellor really looks like a figurehead). So the question would be does Palatine want to destroy the Jedi as a means of taking over the galaxy or does he want to take over the galaxy so that he has the means to destroy the Jedi? Both are valid motives. We've seen a lot more puzzling motivations in our own world.
 
2014-05-19 05:11:41 PM

Norfolking Chance: By the time of RotJ Luke had less than a year with Yoda.


What's the actual timeline supposed to be here?  Because it doesn't seem like the gang was in that worm or at cloud city all that long, and "promise to keep to an old friend" doesn't sound like Luke has been back between Empire and Jedi.
 
2014-05-19 05:28:42 PM

Tax Boy: mjbok: Just the sheer number of composited elements in one frame is unreal.  That is also why there is a mistake in the initial shot of the Tie Fighters swarming the Falcon

learned about the masking error in the original making-of documentary, so every time I've seen the movie  I can't help but notice it. Thanks, Obama.


which for all the work ILM did on revamping for the special edition, they couldn't correct the 2 TIE's flying through the Falcon in a mistake so well known that its even shown in the "making of" specials from the 80's...?

so far as the remaining Empirial fleet after the DS2 blows... the Rebels had already taken out a Super Star Destroyer before that point, so when the DeathStar goes up (who knows how many ships went with that blast)
and given that the original plan was for that fleet to merely picket the battlefield to prevent the Rebels escape...and the Executor being the primary command element ...I imagine disarray and demoralization called a quick end to the battle.  And that solution doesn't require me to buy into all the Tim Zahn non-sense (really hate his work myself)

/do I get my no-prize now?
 
2014-05-19 05:29:21 PM

MooseMuffin: Norfolking Chance: By the time of RotJ Luke had less than a year with Yoda.

What's the actual timeline supposed to be here?  Because it doesn't seem like the gang was in that worm or at cloud city all that long, and "promise to keep to an old friend" doesn't sound like Luke has been back between Empire and Jedi.


I think he most likely did go back for training with Yoda between ESB and ROTJ. He had to construct his new lightsaber for one thing, and Yoda would have helped him with that.
 
2014-05-19 05:33:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: Cymbal: MooseMuffin: extroverted_suicide: Vader was completely f'ing with him.  He was fighting him one handed most of the time.  He could have sliced Luke in half at any point during that fight, but that wasn't why Vader was there.

Mugato: Did you not watch the end of the duel? Vader had no intention of killing Luke, he never did. He wanted Luke to think that he was more powerful than he was and wanted Luke to join him.

Sorta.  Vader's other two duals are fighting an old guy to a draw before the old guy sacrifices himself, and losing to Luke in ROTJ.  In the fight in Empire, his first goal was to freeze Luke, which he fails to do, then he gets kicked off a platform and takes a minor saber blow to the shoulder before winning.  The onscreen action doesn't build a great for him as badass lightsaber grandmaster.

Anakin was a badass lightsaber dualist before he became "more machine now than man". Vader's suit, while allowing him to walk, is a pretty significant physical handicap. He essentially has to carry around an iron lung into every battle.

If anything, Vader is Grievous V2.0 AND Dooku all rolled into one.


Disagree.

The suit seemed like it certainly restricted his overall movement, agility, and speed. Grievous was very nimble, and Dooku was no slouch either, even at his age.
 
2014-05-19 05:33:48 PM

StrangeQ: TV's Vinnie: And firing at the exhaust port from a  horizontal level when the damn hole could have been approached from a straight-down firing angle?

Yeah, that part started bothering me recently.  WTF is the point of flying down that stupid trench when you could fly straight at the port and release?  Also, in what military does the term "cover me" imply "stand behind me and absorb shots until you are dead"?  Why was Han the only one capable of flying above the trench and actually providing the standard definition of cover fire?


they flew down the trench to escape the turbo laser AA battery fire as well as duck under whatever passes for radar etc...cuz before that the small group of rebels were getting their ass kicked. As soon as Vader decided to "deal with them myself"  they ceased fire on the AA batteries so they didn't accidentally shoot down Vader... Han and Chewie  then basically came "out of nowhere"  at just the right time , fast enough that the Emperials had no time to react.

/two No-Prizes in one day?
 
2014-05-19 05:45:29 PM

Cymbal: The suit seemed like it certainly restricted his overall movement, agility, and speed. Grievous was very nimble, and Dooku was no slouch either, even at his age.


Dooku was no slouch in the animated stuff. His live action work wasn't that impressive. I know the Clone Wars is still Cannon but we have to take into account that Dooku the animated was a super ninja while Dooku in 1-3 was basically a fencer
 
2014-05-19 05:56:26 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I liked the ewoks when i wad a child. Now not so much which i guess was kind of the point of having them in the movie. Loved Jabba, the space battles and the final showdown with vader and the emperor


Speaking of star wars pandering to kids, Ive been watching the clone wars on netflix and it isnt too bad.


Get back to me about Clone Wars after the 85th "I have a bad feeling about this".

Plus, if you watch Revenge immediately afterward, the Anakin character is just so godawfully bad, it makes you cringe.

It as if the writers of Clone Wars just said "fark continuity, we're doing our own shait here".

Plus the occasional droid-centric episodes that are CLEARLY aimed at 7 year olds, you have a bit of a hot mess.

There is some gold in there, but you gotta mine for it.

Loved the occasional "Raider's" easter eggs, however.
 
2014-05-19 06:23:34 PM

Cymbal: I think he most likely did go back for training with Yoda between ESB and ROTJ. He had to construct his new lightsaber for one thing, and Yoda would have helped him with that.


Luke built his new lightsaber in the ruins of Obi-Wans house prior to going to Jabba's palace.  It was actually filmed but never used, because it would take away the "holy shiat, is that a lightsaber in R2D2?" moment.  Minus the phantom kick that sequence is done really, really well from the salute on.

//Thing that always bothered me about the Rancor sequence is why did Luke have to use a rock?
 
2014-05-19 06:24:11 PM

Cymbal: He had to construct his new lightsaber for one thing, and Yoda would have helped him with that.


He actually constructs the new lightsaber in Kenobi's old Tatooine dwelling (using tools there) and plants it in R2 before heading to Jabba's palace.  It was a scene in the novelization for Jedi.  I believe it was also filmed, but ended up being cut along with the sandstorm scene.  I always took it to mean that Kenobi was giving him "ghost pointers + tips" on how to make one.  Or maybe he had the instructions written down on the back of the his recipe for Stewed Bantha Loin.
 
2014-05-19 06:24:54 PM
mjbok you beat me to it.
 
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