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(CNN)   Clinton campaign, 1996: "Bob Dole too old and feeble to be president." Clinton campaign, 2016: "How dare you make Hillary's age and health a campaign issue"   (cnn.com) divider line 212
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2014-05-19 10:31:16 AM
Does Hillary take Viagra?
 
2014-05-19 10:35:06 AM
Hillary was on the board of WalMart long before she got to the White House with Bill.  She is a deregulator of the first order, and would make Ronald Reagan look like a bastion of liberal thought.  In this case, age and health are working in the favor of the American people for a change.
 
2014-05-19 10:37:54 AM
Did Clinton really target Dole as too old? I can only find this reference from a debate.
 
2014-05-19 10:44:55 AM

JerseyTim: Did Clinton really target Dole as too old? I can only find this reference from a debate.


I recall it came up a few times, but I don't know as it swayed anyone, and it wasn't out front and center as an issue.
 
2014-05-19 10:45:22 AM

Therion: Does Hillary take Viagra?



True, the ol' Dole Banana gets old pretty quickly.
knucklesalad.com
Once you go black you...are only suitable for banana bread.
 
2014-05-19 10:49:52 AM
Presidential campaigns are horrible, grueling, endless and exhausting. Im surprised *anyone* can do it, much less a 66 year old.
 
2014-05-19 11:02:14 AM
McCain's age and health were seen as fair game during the last presidential campaign. I don't really understand why it's suddenly a taboo subject, other than the whole "it's okay when we do it" mentality.
 
2014-05-19 11:02:58 AM

Therion: Does Hillary take Viagra?


No, but on the other hand, Bob Dole knows what it's like to actually be shot at.

If he says he had to dodge sniper fire in Europe, I'd believe him.
 
2014-05-19 11:13:06 AM
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No mention of Dole. Perhaps the general population thought that Bob Dole was too old for the presidency but then again Bob Dole would not stop talking about himself in the third person, which is creepy.
 
2014-05-19 11:14:28 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Ronald Reagan look like a bastion of liberal thought.


Reagan would not be a Republican by today's standards.
 
2014-05-19 11:15:19 AM

dittybopper [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 11:02:58 AM

Therion: Does Hillary take Viagra?

No, but on the other hand, Bob Dole knows what it's like to actually be shot at.

If he says he had to dodge sniper fire in Europe, I'd believe him.


Because honesty is so important to the left.


"I remember landing under sniper fire."
---Hillary Clinton on Monday, March 17th, 2008 in Washington, D.C.

Video shows tarmac welcome, no snipers
 
2014-05-19 11:16:27 AM

mod3072: McCain's age and health were seen as fair game during the last presidential campaign. I don't really understand why it's suddenly a taboo subject, other than the whole "it's okay when we do it" mentality.


has Hillary had a heart attack?  the best we got from her is a bump on the head and dodging sniper fire.
 
2014-05-19 11:18:23 AM
If she's not in chronically poor health, I really don't care what her date of birth is.  Same with GHW Bush, Dole or McCain.  I think the "age debate" is more about being in touch with the populace.  Those guys were old, and it was easy to paint them as out of touch.  Clinton will be old, and we'll see if they are able to parlay that into out of touch.
 
2014-05-19 11:19:55 AM
That's why the GOP ticket will be James O'Keefe and Bristol Palin.
 
2014-05-19 11:24:05 AM

ManateeGag: mod3072: McCain's age and health were seen as fair game during the last presidential campaign. I don't really understand why it's suddenly a taboo subject, other than the whole "it's okay when we do it" mentality.

has Hillary had a heart attack?  the best we got from her is a bump on the head and dodging sniper fire.


Look, as long as she doesn't exploit her opponent's youth and inexperience for political purposes, we'll be fine.
 
2014-05-19 11:24:44 AM

OnlyM3: "I remember landing under sniper fire."
---Hillary Clinton on Monday, March 17th, 2008 in Washington, D.C.


Because honesty is so important to right wing trolls.
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2014-05-19 11:29:00 AM

ManateeGag: mod3072: McCain's age and health were seen as fair game during the last presidential campaign. I don't really understand why it's suddenly a taboo subject, other than the whole "it's okay when we do it" mentality.

has Hillary had a heart attack?  the best we got from her is a bump on the head and dodging sniper fire.


So we can't mention her age or health unless she has had a heart attack?
 
2014-05-19 11:31:34 AM

Therion: Does Hillary take Viagra?


probably not, but anything near her probably needs to.
 
2014-05-19 11:39:41 AM
I love how this is all because Rove said something to the effect of "Of course Hillary Clinton didn't suffer brain damage."
 
2014-05-19 11:40:34 AM
FTFA: And now, her husband is speaking up, saying "she's strong and working out."

Oh yeah, that's some nuclear hand-wringing and "how dare you"-ism right there. Democrats are such babies and go absolutely SUPERNOVA WITH THE HYPERBOLE!!!111!!!!!1
 
2014-05-19 11:40:41 AM
I also think age should come into play. McCain was way into senility...and it shows every day now.  Reagan.  Strom Thurmond.  Basically anyone who has served more than 30 years in government/politics should be banned from running.
 
2014-05-19 11:45:07 AM
Bob Dole doesn't like this.  How about Bob Dole comes over there and shoves his pen right in your neck?  Bob Dole.
 
2014-05-19 11:46:28 AM

mod3072: ManateeGag: mod3072: McCain's age and health were seen as fair game during the last presidential campaign. I don't really understand why it's suddenly a taboo subject, other than the whole "it's okay when we do it" mentality.

has Hillary had a heart attack?  the best we got from her is a bump on the head and dodging sniper fire.

So we can't mention her age or health unless she has had a heart attack?


I mentioned that as a serious health problem McCain had.  that was the concern, not his general age.  Was Reagan's health a concern, or was he in pretty good shape when he was elected?
 
2014-05-19 11:46:30 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: ...but then again Bob Dole would not stop talking about himself in the third person, which is creepy.


I thought that was only Norm Macdonald's "impression" of Dole.
 
2014-05-19 11:46:31 AM

ManateeGag: Marcus Aurelius: Ronald Reagan look like a bastion of liberal thought.

Reagan would not be a Republican by today's standards.


Reagan was anti-union, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-tax, anti-green energy, pro-life, pro-military, and pro-big business. Sounds to me like he'd still be welcome.
 
2014-05-19 11:47:10 AM

ManateeGag: mod3072: ManateeGag: mod3072: McCain's age and health were seen as fair game during the last presidential campaign. I don't really understand why it's suddenly a taboo subject, other than the whole "it's okay when we do it" mentality.

has Hillary had a heart attack?  the best we got from her is a bump on the head and dodging sniper fire.

So we can't mention her age or health unless she has had a heart attack?

I mentioned that as a serious health problem McCain had.  that was the concern, not his general age.  Was Reagan's health a concern, or was he in pretty good shape when he was elected?


His age came into play in the second term campaign.  I was too young to know if it came into play in the first term run.
 
2014-05-19 11:47:25 AM

Bith Set Me Up: Reagan was anti-union, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-tax, anti-green energy, pro-life, pro-military, and pro-big business. Sounds to me like he'd still be welcome.


Reagan occasionally compromised and raised taxes.  That alone would have him drummed out of the party as a heretic.
 
2014-05-19 11:49:26 AM
Age and health are both perfectly valid concerns when it comes to presidential candidates.

Three Crooked Squirrels: If she's not in chronically poor health, I really don't care what her date of birth is.  Same with GHW Bush, Dole or McCain.  I think the "age debate" is more about being in touch with the populace.  Those guys were old, and it was easy to paint them as out of touch.  Clinton will be old, and we'll see if they are able to parlay that into out of touch.


The political ramifications of being "out of touch" are certainly one part of it, but I think "if the guy you voted for dies or becomes incapacitated, which is more likely the older you get, someone else will be President" is of paramount importance.
 
2014-05-19 11:49:56 AM
Clinton campaign? For what?
 
2014-05-19 11:50:34 AM

Bith Set Me Up: ManateeGag: Marcus Aurelius: Ronald Reagan look like a bastion of liberal thought.

Reagan would not be a Republican by today's standards.

Reagan was anti-union, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-tax, anti-green energy, pro-life, pro-military, and pro-big business. Sounds to me like he'd still be welcome.


As president, sure. His record as governor of California - which would have been the one considered when he started running - paints a different picture.
 
2014-05-19 11:50:44 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: [img.photobucket.com image 800x250]

No mention of Dole. Perhaps the general population thought that Bob Dole was too old for the presidency but then again Bob Dole would not stop talking about himself in the third person, which is creepy.Subby is a f#cking retard.

 
2014-05-19 11:50:59 AM
Hillary will be 66 in 2016. Bob Dole was 73 when he ran, McCain was 71. Given women's superior life expectancy, Hillary is a much better bet than either of those guys.
 
2014-05-19 11:51:01 AM

vernonFL: Presidential campaigns are horrible, grueling, endless and exhausting. Im surprised *anyone* can do it, much less a 66 year old.

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2014-05-19 11:51:39 AM

JerseyTim: Did Clinton really target Dole as too old? I can only find this reference from a debate.


It's just foaming-at-the-mouth, free-form conservative rage. Pay it no mind.
 
2014-05-19 11:51:53 AM
Meh. If she runs, she wins.
 
2014-05-19 11:51:57 AM
McCain's health was a major concern for one reason:
www.brisbanetimes.com.au
 
2014-05-19 11:52:24 AM
I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but yes, she's getting a bit old.
 
2014-05-19 11:54:30 AM

Bith Set Me Up: ManateeGag: Marcus Aurelius: Ronald Reagan look like a bastion of liberal thought.

Reagan would not be a Republican by today's standards.

Reagan was anti-union, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-tax, anti-green energy, pro-life, pro-military, and pro-big business. Sounds to me like he'd still be welcome.


Reagan was an opportunist.  He played to the bible-belt crowd and evangelicals.
 
2014-05-19 11:54:45 AM

qorkfiend: Age and health are both perfectly valid concerns when it comes to presidential candidates.

Three Crooked Squirrels: If she's not in chronically poor health, I really don't care what her date of birth is.  Same with GHW Bush, Dole or McCain.  I think the "age debate" is more about being in touch with the populace.  Those guys were old, and it was easy to paint them as out of touch.  Clinton will be old, and we'll see if they are able to parlay that into out of touch.

The political ramifications of being "out of touch" are certainly one part of it, but I think "if the guy you voted for dies or becomes incapacitated, which is more likely the older you get, someone else will be President" is of paramount importance.


That's what the vp is for. That's why you don't pick Sarah Palin.
 
2014-05-19 11:55:09 AM
This reminds me of some of the Benghazi crap, with Republicans pushing that Obama declared that he destroyed terrorism and went around talking non-stop about that terrorism doesn't exist any more.

Someone, somewhere said that Dole/McCain were old that means that the Democrats talked about it 24-7 non-stop totally.
 
2014-05-19 11:55:56 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: If she's not in chronically poor health, I really don't care what her date of birth is.  Same with GHW Bush, Dole or McCain.  I think the "age debate" is more about being in touch with the populace.  Those guys were old, and it was easy to paint them as out of touch.  Clinton will be old, and we'll see if they are able to parlay that into out of touch.


I think the age debate is more, "Are we likely to see the Vice President, who we probably don't like as much as the real candidate, become President?"  Actuarial tables say the older you are, the more likely you are to kick it.

But saying someone is too old to be president is not really the same as suggesting they may be brain damaged because they had a concussion.  Concussions may lead to brain damage, yes, but it becomes obvious relatively quickly after the fact.  If Hillary runs for President, we would know if she had actual brain damage.

The trick is, rank and file Republicans think most Democrat politicians already have brain damage.  (And, of course, vice versa for rank and file Democrats)  So all this really is, is Rove throwing red meat to the base, i.e. "He can't be from this country, he's too black and communist!" and "What's wrong with saying that? He's just saying what every real American is thinking."
 
2014-05-19 11:56:05 AM
Elizabeth Warren will be 66 in 2016 and that won't concern me one bit when voting for her.
 
2014-05-19 11:56:25 AM
Because People in power are Stupid [TotalFark]

OnlyM3: "I remember landing under sniper fire."
---Hillary Clinton on Monday, March 17th, 2008 in Washington, D.C.

Because honesty is so important to right wing trolls.

1) Rather than addressing the Facts, you go to personal attacks (violating Fark's rules)
2) Bush is an idiot but he was a military pilot and served honorably.
3) Care to try an on topic reply now?
 
2014-05-19 11:56:56 AM
I don't recall much of Clinton/Dole (wasn't old enough to vote), so I can't speak for that.

McCain's age wasn't really an issue for me right up until he decided to pick Palin for vice president, where it suddenly seemed really important that, at his age, he had more of a chance of not finishing out his term, thus making her the president.

I had already started heavily leaning toward Obama at that point, but Palin (and the idea that he might actually die office) pretty well solidified my decision.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if Hilary picks a moron for a vice president, I think her age will be more of a factor for me.

/not particularly excited at the prospect of her running anyway.
//can't imagine someone better will come from the other party, though.
///slashies, threes, whatnot
 
2014-05-19 11:59:32 AM
bobdole was older in '96 than Hillary will be in '16.

bobdole did not lose in '96 because of his age.  He lost because Clinton tied him to the unpopular Newt Gingrich.

But please, try a political strategy of picking on an old lady and see where it gets you.
 
2014-05-19 11:59:32 AM

GoldSpider: Bith Set Me Up: Reagan was anti-union, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-tax, anti-green energy, pro-life, pro-military, and pro-big business. Sounds to me like he'd still be welcome.

Reagan occasionally compromised and raised taxes.  That alone would have him drummed out of the party as a heretic.


Amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.
 
2014-05-19 11:59:35 AM

Bith Set Me Up

Reagan was ... anti-immigration..
Which is why he signed the Amnesty bill. But don't let facts get in the way of your derp.
 
2014-05-19 11:59:52 AM

PanicMan: qorkfiend: Age and health are both perfectly valid concerns when it comes to presidential candidates.

Three Crooked Squirrels: If she's not in chronically poor health, I really don't care what her date of birth is.  Same with GHW Bush, Dole or McCain.  I think the "age debate" is more about being in touch with the populace.  Those guys were old, and it was easy to paint them as out of touch.  Clinton will be old, and we'll see if they are able to parlay that into out of touch.

The political ramifications of being "out of touch" are certainly one part of it, but I think "if the guy you voted for dies or becomes incapacitated, which is more likely the older you get, someone else will be President" is of paramount importance.

That's what the vp is for. That's why you don't pick Sarah Palin.


Right. If McCain was younger - 50s, even early 60s - the VP pick wouldn't have been much of an issue. Everyone would have gone "well, she's pretty crazy" and not given it much of a second thought, but since McCain was over 70, everyone was like "well, she's pretty crazy, and there's a damn good chance she'll actually end up President".
 
2014-05-19 12:00:42 PM
I'd be more worried about all of the sniper attack bullshiat coming back ala swiftboating.

But, let's be honest.  Few that hear this story and care would have voted for Hillary if she just won a triathlon; they'd find something else.  And I think I speak for more than myself here when I say there is no one on the Republican ticket that I would vote for to clean shiat off my street, let alone for President.
 
2014-05-19 12:01:10 PM

CodeMonkey4Life: GoldSpider: Bith Set Me Up: Reagan was anti-union, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-tax, anti-green energy, pro-life, pro-military, and pro-big business. Sounds to me like he'd still be welcome.

Reagan occasionally compromised and raised taxes.  That alone would have him drummed out of the party as a heretic.

Amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.


A Hollywood elitist and head of the actor's union who signed a bill limiting gun rights.
 
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