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(USA Today)   Us DOJ files criminal charges against 5 top Chinese military officials for massive industrial and cyber espionage against US companies. China says they'll get right on slapping some cuffs on these villains, then makes wanking motion   (usatoday.com) divider line 49
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2014-05-19 12:15:47 PM  
I guess there's less to be lost now in terms of intelligence sources and methods, so we might as well stop 'em raping our IP/trade secrets.
 
2014-05-19 12:48:29 PM  
WHAR IRONY TAG, WHAR!!!!
 
2014-05-19 12:48:50 PM  
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2014-05-19 12:49:06 PM  
Inspector Renaud unavailable for comment.
 
2014-05-19 12:49:43 PM  
China has already responded saying the accusations are false, and are damaging to the "mutual trust" between China and the US
 
2014-05-19 12:49:47 PM  

iheartscotch: WHAR IRONY TAG, WHAR!!!!


What irony?

USA spied on its allies and its own people.
 
2014-05-19 12:50:22 PM  
Do as we say, not as we do.
 
2014-05-19 12:50:39 PM  
It would do us a world of good if we just severed our internet connections with China.
I used to work for a backbone.

Multiple large DDOS attacks out of China.
Every. Single. Day.
 
2014-05-19 12:51:46 PM  

The Bestest: China has already responded saying the accusations are false, and are damaging to the "mutual trust" between China and the US


"In response, US Secretary of State John Kerry snickered and made repeated wanking motions."
 
2014-05-19 12:53:10 PM  
Let's start with our own NSA before we start to tackle the Chinese Military.
 
2014-05-19 12:53:17 PM  

incendi: I guess there's less to be lost now in terms of intelligence sources and methods, so we might as well stop 'em raping our IP/trade secrets.


You mean like those Cisco devices that the NSA "fixed" before having them sent over to China?
 
2014-05-19 12:53:36 PM  
This is a very blunt way of saying that they have gone overboard. Everything from their IP ranges, name of their unit, the workers, their work schedule and even their office are a known quantity. The are professional hackers that do nothing but economic and military espionage through the Internet. The result is that people have to work full time securing against these government agents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/technology/chinas-army-is-seen-as- ti ed-to-hacking-against-us.html?pagewanted=all

It's really nothing more than a way to tell the Chinese government that it's all gotten quite out of hand. This is a very old story and isn't going to surprise anyone in the industry.
 
2014-05-19 12:55:04 PM  
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2014-05-19 12:57:10 PM  
Man, remember when Greg Brady gave Marcia's boyfriend a fake copy of Westdale High Football's playbook?  That was awesome.
 
2014-05-19 12:57:21 PM  

skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.


Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process
 
2014-05-19 12:58:38 PM  
They better not ever come to America, they might get a sit-down talking to instead of a strongly worded letter.
 
2014-05-19 12:58:56 PM  
Hey don't worry.......the DOJ will just file criminal charges again in an hour or two.
 
2014-05-19 01:00:10 PM  
Who is Us ? Are we them ? Are they us ?

The U.S. government should be more concerned about the Chinese than what its' own people are doing; but, somehow, still finds it necessary to data mine the population of the country daily because of the turrists. Perhaps, if they weren't wasting so much time and manpower spying domestically they'd be able to counter-attack the Chinese !
 
2014-05-19 01:01:30 PM  

spawn73: iheartscotch: WHAR IRONY TAG, WHAR!!!!

What irony?

USA spied on its allies and its own people.


That irony, right there! It's ironic for the DOJ to file anything about cyber-spying against another country.
 
2014-05-19 01:01:55 PM  
US DOJ files criminal charges against 5 top Chinese military officials

Shhhhh....don't tell al-Maliki and Iraq about this...we'd be in deep doo-doo if he knew about it.
 
2014-05-19 01:03:51 PM  
Westinghouse Electric, U.S. Steel, SolarWorld, United Steel Workers Union, Allegheny Technologies Inc., Alcoa.

They were just trying to figure out how these companies are so successful and beloved by their prosperous employees without the kind of government subsidies, artificial trade protections and massive corruption this would involve in China.
 
2014-05-19 01:04:05 PM  
The china-man is loyal to his own people. It is impossible for china-men to feel ethnic or linguistic or cultural affinity (and hence loyalty) to those who are utterly, utterly unlike him.

Thus american born and raised china-men spying for china (boeing and lockheed-martin off the top of my head in separate cases, both by asian-"americans").
 
2014-05-19 01:06:17 PM  

Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process


Noooo, we were doing it all.
 
2014-05-19 01:06:57 PM  

Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process


But that's complete bullshiat.

You do realise Snowden has given the documents to Bild and Guardian, and they are published?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-p et robras
 
2014-05-19 01:09:26 PM  

Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process


The NSA engages in industrial espionage as well. See also: spying on Brazilian oil companies. So no, that excuse doesn't work. Holder is a lying piece of shiat, and we have absolutely no high ground to stand on in pretty much any issue. Hell, we even torture people, imprison people without trials, and kill our own citizens without trials. There's nothing we can complain about in the world that wouldn't be hypocritical.
 
2014-05-19 01:13:21 PM  

iheartscotch: spawn73: iheartscotch: WHAR IRONY TAG, WHAR!!!!

What irony?

USA spied on its allies and its own people.

That irony, right there! It's ironic for the DOJ to file anything about cyber-spying against another country.


Oh OK, sorry I misunderstood you. :)
 
2014-05-19 01:17:59 PM  
Get it-the Chinese "Shang-hei-ed" this information in.......Shanghei!!!!!
 
2014-05-19 01:20:58 PM  
Subby, looks like there is a typo in your headline and you didn't finish:

Us DOJ files criminal charges against 5 top Chinese military officials for massive industrial and cyber espionage against US companies. China says they'll get right on slapping some cuffs on these villains, then makes wanking motion  Wan King Mo Shin head of the investigation task force.

FTFY


You're welcome.
 
2014-05-19 01:21:02 PM  

spawn73: Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process

But that's complete bullshiat.

You do realise Snowden has given the documents to Bild and Guardian, and they are published?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-p et robras


that Link there doesn't contradict what I am saying.  Petrobras is at least partially state-owned.  Knowing what resources a country have available to itself fits., albeit loosely" into national security type intelligence gathering.   Stealing research from say apple and then giving it to a Chinese firm to patent before apple can?  That's a different thing and something we largely do not do, for the simple reason that unlike China, there are no government owned/controlled companies so  who exactly would we  give it to.   If we found out that say China had patented a breakthrough in cable TV would time Warner/Comcast get it, or would AT&T or would Verizon be the one?
 
2014-05-19 01:22:44 PM  

The Bestest: China has already responded saying the accusations are false, and are damaging to the "mutual trust" between China and the US



Of course they are.  And they are also disappointing with Vietnam for escalation of tensions.
 
2014-05-19 01:24:49 PM  

Honest Bender: It would do us a world of good if we just severed our internet connections with China.
I used to work for a backbone.

Multiple large DDOS attacks out of China.
Every. Single. Day.



Had those fking scumbags stealing sht since 1985 when I was working for a Fortune 100 building routers.  If it's not a factory in the middle of Detroit with no net access and 24/7 guards, you can't trust it.
 
2014-05-19 01:32:21 PM  
and China responds by showing the DoJ a picture of this guy.

www.maximumpc.com
 
2014-05-19 01:56:19 PM  
bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-19 02:18:55 PM  

Magorn: spawn73: Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process

But that's complete bullshiat.

You do realise Snowden has given the documents to Bild and Guardian, and they are published?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-p et robras

that Link there doesn't contradict what I am saying.  Petrobras is at least partially state-owned.  Knowing what resources a country have available to itself fits., albeit loosely" into national security type intelligence gathering.   Stealing research from say apple and then giving it to a Chinese firm to patent before apple can?  That's a different thing and something we largely do not do, for the simple reason that unlike China, there are no government owned/controlled companies so  who exactly would we  give it to.   If we found out that say China had patented a breakthrough in cable TV would time Warner/Comcast get it, or would AT&T or would Verizon be the one?


Yeah, the link didn't detail why NSA spied on Petrobras.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-08/u-s-government-spied-on-bra zi l-s-petrobras-globo-tv-reports.html

But NSAs slides reveal that the major reason for spying on non-US companies was economic.
 
2014-05-19 02:21:17 PM  

pstudent12: The china-man is loyal to his own people. It is impossible for china-men to feel ethnic or linguistic or cultural affinity (and hence loyalty) to those who are utterly, utterly unlike him.

Thus american born and raised china-men spying for china (boeing and lockheed-martin off the top of my head in separate cases, both by asian-"americans").

 
2014-05-19 02:26:45 PM  
Um, oops? Let me try that again
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2014-05-19 02:40:16 PM  

The Bestest: China has already responded saying the accusations are false, and are damaging to the "mutual trust" between China and the US


"Mutual trust." Wow, that's rich. I bet the guy who issued that response was having a hard time keeping a stlaight face.
 
2014-05-19 03:03:27 PM  

Honest Bender: It would do us a world of good if we just severed our internet connections with China.
I used to work for a backbone.

Multiple large DDOS attacks out of China.
Every. Single. Day.


Agreed.  Some of our specialty websites were constantly being attacked from China.  I got in trouble when I said, "let's just completely block China and call it a day."  It seems that was considered culturally insensitive.
 
2014-05-19 03:12:38 PM  

OgreMagi: It seems that was considered culturally insensitive.


Dude, one of our Chinese customers was on site one day and chatting with us.
We mentioned the number of attacks originating in China and he just said, "That's just how you do business in China. If you've got a competitor, you do things like that. It's normal."

That's when I considered that maybe we should just take our ball and go home.
 
2014-05-19 03:14:31 PM  

Honest Bender: It would do us a world of good if we just severed our internet connections with China.
I used to work for a backbone.

Multiple large DDOS attacks out of China.
Every. Single. Day.


But then how would we order our cheap, garbage Chinese goods?
 
2014-05-19 03:16:31 PM  

Honest Bender: OgreMagi: It seems that was considered culturally insensitive.

That's when I considered that maybe we should just take our ball and go home.


Absolutely we should. To do otherwise is to place a greater value on "cultural sensitivity" than on national security or on our own way of life. It really shows you where our priorities are.
 
2014-05-19 03:21:03 PM  

OgreMagi: Honest Bender: It would do us a world of good if we just severed our internet connections with China.
I used to work for a backbone.

Multiple large DDOS attacks out of China.
Every. Single. Day.

Agreed.  Some of our specialty websites were constantly being attacked from China.  I got in trouble when I said, "let's just completely block China and call it a day."  It seems that was considered culturally insensitive.


That's exactly what lots of people are doing with their firewalls.  Block all of Asia, then add exceptions for legitimate customers.
 
2014-05-19 04:09:38 PM  

The Bestest: China has already responded saying the accusations are false, and are damaging to the "mutual trust" between China and the US

So I guess the easiest thing is to simply take it as given that anything, anything, that the Chinese government says in response to being caught in illegal activities is a outright blatant lie.


I don't suppose that there is a website somewhere keeping score on these kinds of responses, is there?
 
2014-05-19 05:09:50 PM  

Magorn: spawn73: Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process

But that's complete bullshiat.

You do realise Snowden has given the documents to Bild and Guardian, and they are published?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-p et robras

that Link there doesn't contradict what I am saying.  Petrobras is at least partially state-owned.  Knowing what resources a country have available to itself fits., albeit loosely" into national security type intelligence gathering.   Stealing research from say apple and then giving it to a Chinese firm to patent before apple can?  That's a different thing and something we largely do not do, for the simple reason that unlike China, there are no government owned/controlled companies so  who exactly would we  give it to.   If we found out that say China had patented a breakthrough in cable TV would time Warner/Comcast get it, or would AT&T or would Verizon be the one?


You're right, it's functionally the other way 'round. What's stopping the NSA from selling it's capabilities?
 
2014-05-20 05:49:33 AM  
Step one: Stop outsourcing all of our computer crap to China.

(Oh who are we kidding, like that would ever happen)
 
2014-05-20 09:12:37 AM  
Heh, heh, "Wang Dong." Sure that's your real name, buddy.
 
2014-05-20 10:23:50 AM  

Magorn: Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.


Secret documents reveal more than 1,000 targets of American and British surveillance in recent years, including the office of an Israeli prime minister, heads of international aid organizations, foreign energy companies and a European Union official involved in antitrust battles with American technology businesses.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included-allies- ai d-groups-and-business-elite.html?_r=0

I guess it's fine to spy on everything but businesses.
 
2014-05-20 10:25:46 AM  

spawn73: Magorn: skinink: Do as we say, not as we do.

Well, to be fair our spying is more along the traditional "national security" kinda spying.  it kinda considered Not Quite Cricket internationally to use you big national spy apparatus to steal non Defense industrial secrets like the secret formula for Coke, or some company's patented manufacturing process

But that's complete bullshiat.

You do realise Snowden has given the documents to Bild and Guardian, and they are published?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-p et robras


Oh.

I guess it's fine to spy on everything including businesses, then.

When we do it.
 
2014-05-20 10:27:39 AM  

Loadmaster: The Bestest: China has already responded saying the accusations are false, and are damaging to the "mutual trust" between China and the US
So I guess the easiest thing is to simply take it as given that anything, anything, that the Chinese government says in response to being caught in illegal activities is a outright blatant lie.


I don't suppose that there is a website somewhere keeping score on these kinds of responses, is there?


"There is no spying on Americans." -- Chinese government President Obama
 
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