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(Chicago Trib)   Woman surprised to learn you can't bring a hungry kid to the National Restaurant Association trade show   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 66
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2014-05-19 06:27:12 AM
10 votes:
How self-important do you have to be to just assume that the rules wouldn't apply to you?

She could have at least checked with meeting organizers first to see if an exception could be made.
2014-05-19 07:36:51 AM
6 votes:

fredklein: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: What about a two-year-old? Or a five-year-old loaded up on sugar?

They should be banned.

Would your version of these rules say "No body between the ages 16 and n (where n is the age at which a child first becomes difficult to manage) admitted"?

No. But there would be an exception for babies.

You see, if you're concerned about kids 'running around' and getting into trouble, then that, by definition, doesn't apply to a baby, who cannot run (or even crawl).


I'm of the opposite mind. No kids applies ESPECIALLY to babies. Babies basically cry, excrete, and get sick and that's it. There's nothing a baby's presence contributes that's in any way productive to any kind of environment where older children would be banned. They are no infant environments.

Would you take your baby on a roller coaster if it was under that line? Hell no. Would you take your baby to a strip club on the grounds it won't remember anything anyway? Hell no. Let's not bring the baby to the trade shows then, either.
2014-05-19 05:59:23 AM
5 votes:
What part of "no children allowed" did she not understand?

/ yes, the rules DO apply to you
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 08:29:14 AM
4 votes:
Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.
2014-05-19 07:53:20 AM
4 votes:

fredklein: What about...


What about "all children for safety reasons" is confusing to you?

There is no issue here. At all. No matter how hard you try to make one. All children. Because sharp knives and fire.

End of story.
2014-05-19 06:30:34 AM
4 votes:
They asked her why she didn't leave the infant at home with her husband and their other two children. She answered that she was breast feeding and obviously he couldn't do that. Well, just as obviously, she could have stayed with the infant and other children and sent her husband to the trade show. There are consequences for all decisions, including the decision to breast feed. The trade show excluded children for safety reasons, and that included an infant in arms.
2014-05-19 11:07:57 AM
3 votes:
Breastfeeding is irrelevant to this discussion.  It's completely beside the point.

Anywhere the woman and her baby are permitted to be, she is allowed to breastfeed the baby.  That is her right by law and that is not in dispute.

In this case however, the child is not permitted to be there, making the entire breastfeeding angle of this discussion moot.

You can argue all day about whether an exception to the "no kids" policy should be made for a 10-day-old infant, but I'm sure what may seem a reasonable exception to many here may not seem so to the insurance companies providing liability coverage for the event, and then you have the tricky issue of where exactly you draw the line for reasonable exceptions.

This woman admittedly knew about the policy, yet assumed it wouldn't apply to her, without even bothering to check with meeting organizers.  It's the height of arrogance and self-absorption, and IFAIC she has no right to go crying to the press about a problem that should have been easily anticipated ahead of time.
2014-05-19 09:34:35 AM
3 votes:
No one has mentioned exposing the baby to germs from thousand's of people from all over the country.  Not just typical restaurants are invited and attend. There are all types employees including those from health care facilities, strip clubs, schools, military feeders, and often prison personnel.

I work food trade shows on a regular basis, and they are no place for kids.  It is amazing how many people bring them, even though 'no children' is on every invitation and often on signage.  Chafers are mostly heated with Sterno - ie open flame at a child's face height.  Hot pans of food waiting to be toppled over by someone who drank too much the night before - lots of drinking - she was pouring wine in her booth and every major manufacturer has a "suite" they invite their customers to with.  I am waiting for some poor kid tugging on a table cloth getting covered in boiling food, it's going to happen.

And finally, at the national level, nobody is going to remember you specifically unless they knew you at home.  We often hire friends and family to cover us at these shows.  If they are clean, polite, and smell good that's about all you need in your booth passing out samples and literature.
2014-05-19 07:47:45 AM
3 votes:

Mirandized: They asked her why she didn't leave the infant at home with her husband and their other two children. She answered that she was breast feeding and obviously he couldn't do that. Well, just as obviously, she could have stayed with the infant and other children and sent her husband to the trade show. There are consequences for all decisions, including the decision to breast feed. The trade show excluded children for safety reasons, and that included an infant in arms.


Or it's not like they haven't invented these fancy things called breast pumps that women can use to have breast milk available for when you cannot be there for or with the infant.
2014-05-19 07:33:26 AM
3 votes:

what_now: fredklein: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: What about a two-year-old? Or a five-year-old loaded up on sugar?

They should be banned.

Would your version of these rules say "No body between the ages 16 and n (where n is the age at which a child first becomes difficult to manage) admitted"?

No. But there would be an exception for babies.

You see, if you're concerned about kids 'running around' and getting into trouble, then that, by definition, doesn't apply to a baby, who cannot run (or even crawl).

Sure. But as soon as you say "oh, well that's a baby, he can come in" the next Super Special Mommy brings her two year old because he's in a stroller and can't get out and run around.

Until he gets whiny and she lets him out, and he starts running around.


Just make a rule that strollers aren't allowed. I'm on the fence about this. It isn't even an issue of breast feeding so much as it is making barriers to mothers from participating in business - and this is a long standing issue with women who may or may not want to become mothers. Sure, she could have pumped perhaps, but it sounded like this was a longish trip for her (Minnesota to Chicago). How much would she have had to save up to make that feasible for her infant, especially at 10 days old? On the other hand, I can see the policy makers not wanting to have to be the arbiters of which kids are ok and which are not. If she'd been smarter, she would have called them ahead of time to negotiate some sort of possibility of her attendance particularly since she was invited.
2014-05-19 07:23:46 AM
3 votes:

fredklein: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: What about a two-year-old? Or a five-year-old loaded up on sugar?

They should be banned.

Would your version of these rules say "No body between the ages 16 and n (where n is the age at which a child first becomes difficult to manage) admitted"?

No. But there would be an exception for babies.

You see, if you're concerned about kids 'running around' and getting into trouble, then that, by definition, doesn't apply to a baby, who cannot run (or even crawl).


Sure. But as soon as you say "oh, well that's a baby, he can come in" the next Super Special Mommy brings her two year old because he's in a stroller and can't get out and run around.

Until he gets whiny and she lets him out, and he starts running around.
2014-05-19 06:41:32 AM
3 votes:
DO NOT fark with the bosses and unions at McCormick place. One time at a show I unplugged one of our monitors which was broken from our power strip and our computer and reconnected a working monitor to said equipment. I/we pissed off like 3 unions in the process and I got my show badge pulled.

/Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid
2014-05-19 01:57:00 PM
2 votes:

Target Builder: BizarreMan: Except the breast feeding is totally irrelevant to the story.  If she and the infant were allowed to be in the show and were evicted due to breast-feeding then yes, it's a point that must be addressed.  But she is allowed in and the infant is not.  Plain and simple.  The baby isn't a get away from the rules and do whatever I want because I may need to nurse it at some point in time card.

Relevant text of the law:

" Sec. 10. Breastfeeding Location.  A mother may breastfeed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether the nipple of the mother's breast is uncovered during or incidental to the breastfeeding; however, a mother considering whether to breastfeed her baby in a place of worship shall comport her behavior with the norms appropriate in that place of worship. "

She was authorized to be there.

I'd be interested to see the relevant section of law that provides an exemption if the venue says children are not permitted. I'm having a hard time finding it - perhaps you can help me out.


The law is clearly intended to allow a mothers to breastfeed in any location that she and her child are authorized to be.

It cannot be the case that the breastfeeding law is intended to enable mothers to bring small children into places that children are not allowed (whether for safety, security, or other reasons), because that would be an absurd loophole.  There are many places that children are not allowed to be for any number of reasons.
2014-05-19 11:42:34 AM
2 votes:

The Flexecutioner: The rule specifies children interacting with things.


Does it?

The Flexecutioner: I get that many here support the food rules but the 10-day old baby isnt capable of being harmed unless the mother was also harmed in the process.


And if that happens, who is liable for injuries to the child?

The Flexecutioner: It's really just a mask for all the people who (rightfully so) just dont want to deal with kids.


Not at all.  I love kids.  I have a toddler of my own.  I don't take him places where he isn't allowed to be, and I didn't do it when he was a newborn either.

This isn't about kid-hating, this is about people with a sense of entitlement who believe that they are special and rules don't apply to them.  This is a widespread phenomenon that goes far beyond parents.
2014-05-19 10:38:44 AM
2 votes:
I am an advocate for breastfeeding, and I think this lady was wrong. Children are not allowed, period. The end. The trade show has every right to make and enforce that rule.

She should have hired someone to attend the show for her, if her business being represented was that important.
2014-05-19 09:54:19 AM
2 votes:
Why are so many people ITT bringing up breastfeeding?  Breastfeeding was never the issue with this woman.  The fact that she brought her CHILD to an event that did not allow CHILDREN is the issue.

No one cares about her tits except her kid.
2014-05-19 09:20:04 AM
2 votes:
How did this woman not know her due date when she signed up for the trade show in the first place? I think this proves how entitled she thinks she is, because she would have done the math at some point and either thought "Well, I probably won't go into labor - it's only one day of standing on my feet - pregnant" or "Surely they'll make an exception and I should probably ask, but I'm doing the marketing, raising a 2- and a 4-year old plus  I'm pregnant. HELLO!?!"
2014-05-19 09:05:53 AM
2 votes:
I said, 'Clearly he's a breast-feeding baby. I can't separate from him,'"

That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.
2014-05-19 08:48:50 AM
2 votes:

d23: Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.


Beyond that, how can she not realize how incredibly unprofessional "working" with a child strapped to you is?

I get that trade shows are important, and often only happen once a year for a promoter or venue- but come on, lady. If you simply can't be separated for your child for 3 days, maybe you should skip the show to stay home with your child.

I have an infant son. I *once* tried to work with him sleeping and attached to me. It did not go well. Never again.
2014-05-19 08:48:41 AM
2 votes:
Funny how some peoples' kids are always the exception to the rules.
2014-05-19 08:40:36 AM
2 votes:
The only opinions that matter a bit in this case are the Insurance company's, and the Jury's.  IF the worst-case scenario happens, can the insurance company find a way to deny coverage? If they can, they will. Then you're off to court with no insurance money to cover your liability.  Additionally, if nothing happens but the insurance company finds out you didn't follow the requirements of the policy, you're likely to have your coverage for the show cancelled.

Finally, as an administrator, if I can find the Security person who let her in with the baby, that person gets fired. I don't want someone at that level bending rules. "No one under 16" is a nice bright easily enforceable rule. Once you start allowing exceptions, complexity ensues. I don't want $10 an hour personnel making complex decisions.

Hint - if she had asked in advance, the lawyers and the insurance people could have been consulted and an advised decision could have been made. It probably would have been 'No', but it would have been a considered answer. Just showing up at the show with the baby is a "Default-to-No" situation.
2014-05-19 07:40:33 AM
2 votes:
Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

If It`s such a big deal to be there and show off your product then DON`T MESS IT UP BY BEING AN ENTITLED BEECH.
2014-05-19 07:29:44 AM
2 votes:
She owns a 'Whinery'.

heh heheheheh
2014-05-19 07:17:43 AM
2 votes:
Sorry lady, "But I'm a  Mooommmm!!!" is not actually a superseding standard for everything.
2014-05-19 07:02:20 AM
2 votes:
Osborne, 31, knew about the trade show rule that does not allow children under 16, she said, but did not think it would apply to her sleeping, 10-day-old baby wrapped closely to her chest.

A 10 day old infant is almost EXACTLY the opposite of over sixteen. There's only a 9 day window of younger children possible.

And, to be quite honest, infants shouldn't be out in public anyway. People fought and DIED* for maternity leave. farking take it.


* I count union deaths as being for female workers' issues as well as men's.
2014-05-19 06:58:58 AM
2 votes:
knew about the trade show rule that does not allow children under 16, she said, but did not think it would apply to her sleeping, 10-day-old baby wrapped closely to her chest

There we go. "I'm a breast feeding mommy! Rules don't apply to me because I'm more important than anyone else"

"I said, 'Clearly he's a breast-feeding baby. I can't separate from him,'"

Then stay home
2014-05-19 06:58:04 AM
2 votes:

Mirandized: The trade show excluded children for safety reasons


Exactly! I mean, what if that baby had jumped out of her arms and started running around?

""There are knives. There are ovens. There are cooking demonstrations with open flames," Hinsley said. "There's all sorts of equipment that could be very dangerous to a child to have any interaction with...""

Yup, that baby could have crawled onto an oven (after turning it on), and burned itself! Or picked up a knife and cut itself!!
2014-05-19 06:47:08 AM
2 votes:

mjohnson71: /Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid


Your company should have told you those limitations at a Union show.

Some of those limits are reasonable, some are clearly designed to force the organizers to pay someone $265/hour to plug in the replacement monitor.
2014-05-19 06:40:13 AM
2 votes:
I really don't see why this is a story.  There were rules that applied to an event, she did not follow the rules so she was not allowed at the event.  This is exactly the same as if some guy showed up without a shirt and got sent home.  This lady sounds like the same kind of person who would take three crying kids to an R movie because she is special and can opt out of societal rules that everyone else follows out of common courtesy.
2014-05-19 06:32:36 AM
2 votes:
Someone buy her a breast pump
2014-05-19 06:30:15 AM
2 votes:
She's wrong.

I doubt the insurance the NRA bought for the show would cover the kid, and the NRA would be at severe financial risk if there were an accident.
2014-05-19 06:20:13 AM
2 votes:
Well, she didn't get to attend the trade show, but on the upside, she got some free advertising.
2014-05-19 01:31:30 PM
1 votes:

dready zim: gulogulo: You are quite defensive to being asked to back up your statements of insider knowledge. That's interesting.

You are failing to counter my arguments and are *only* questioning my knowledge.

That`s boring.


Yup.

/Would people really do that? Just go on the internet and lie?
2014-05-19 12:53:26 PM
1 votes:
No kids allowed, including babes in arms. That much is clear, but as for breastfeeding offending sensibilities, get over it.

While the prudish countries of the world wring their hands about whether breastfeeding is a body function, the rest of the world ignores it, smiles at it, and openly supports it.

Three days ago, a woman sat down in front of me on the metro with her child, pulled out her boob and started to breastfeed in a standing room only rush hour train car. At least 15 people saw part of her boob, and more knew what she was doing.

There was not even a pause in conversation. No one cares, nor should they.

This is in South America, but I have also had this happen in Europe, where I am from.

I have only ever heard people from the States, Canada, British Isles, or Australia give a damn about the fact that boobs are primarily for feeding the young or that women don't want to feed their kids in the bathroom. (why don't you go eat your dinner 3 feet from a smelly stall in a public bathroom and see how you like it)

The woman in the article was wrong to bring her kid, but those complaining about breastfeeding need to grow the hell up and get over it.
2014-05-19 12:39:47 PM
1 votes:

Target Builder: The My Little Pony Killer: eggrolls: a 10 day old baby isn't a baby. It's a omnipresent parasite in a pink blanket. You can't not feed the little monster. And she shouldn't be penalized for it's presence.

Except in the event that it's presence was clearly stated as not being allowed, as it was in this situation.

Whether the event organizers are legally allowed to set that rule is debatable - the Lawyer in TFA says the law allowing a woman to breastfeed anywhere where she is legally allowed to be can be overruled by safety concerns, however by the standard the trade show is applying ("It's too dangerous - there are knives in the same building!") seems more stringent than the safety exemption would have been intended for.

Given the law does protect women in restaurants, where there are frequently both knives and open flames in close proximity to infants, the NRA may have over-stepped valid safety claims in this instance.


Except the breast feeding is totally irrelevant to the story.  If she and the infant were allowed to be in the show and were evicted due to breast-feeding then yes, it's a point that must be addressed.  But she is allowed in and the infant is not.  Plain and simple.  The baby isn't a get away from the rules and do whatever I want because I may need to nurse it at some point in time card.
2014-05-19 12:06:50 PM
1 votes:

Target Builder: Doc Daneeka: The Flexecutioner: The rule specifies children interacting with things.

Does it?

The NRA spokesperson in TFA says the rule is there for safety reasons as knives, ovens and open flames are dangerous things for children to interact with. A 10 day old is only going to 'interact' with knives or fire if someone attempts to murder it in its mothers arms.


That may be the rationale for the reason, but I think it is unlikely that the rule specifies children interacting with things.  From the sounds of it, it is a blanket "no kids allowed" policy.

Target Builder: A 10 day old is only going to 'interact' with knives or fire if someone attempts to murder it in its mothers arms.


Accidents happen, particularly in a crowded place with heavy equipment, fire, and knives.  I'm not even talking about the infant doing anything.  You people lack imagination.  Scalding liquids can be spilled, knives can be dropped, people can turn and collide, people can trip and fall, etc.  The baby doesn't have to do or cause anything, it is easy to imagine how injuries could happen to a child.  Particularly in a crowded place, with a new mother who isn't accustomed yet to getting around with a child strapped to her.

Accidents happen, and an accident happening at a place like that to a small child is likely to result in far more serious injuries than would be suffered by an adult.

And then who is liable?
2014-05-19 12:02:52 PM
1 votes:

eggrolls: a 10 day old baby isn't a baby. It's a omnipresent parasite in a pink blanket. You can't not feed the little monster. And she shouldn't be penalized for it's presence.


Except in the event that it's presence was clearly stated as not being allowed, as it was in this situation.
2014-05-19 12:00:01 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: How, exactly, can a baby, strapped to mommy, wind up wandering around to crawl into an oven, or get burned??


How about a baby, strapped to mommy, getting 3rd degree burns from hot oil splashing over her face due to an accident?

This is about insurance, not mom's rights, not breastfeeding, nothing but insurance and liability.
2014-05-19 11:49:49 AM
1 votes:
Woman shocked to learn that the rules apply to her too.

Film at 11.
2014-05-19 11:29:14 AM
1 votes:
Read to the last line - she was invited to work a booth and planned to be pouring wine drinks there with a baby hanging from her chest. Freedom and protective laws are necessary and awesome, but they don't protect the rest of us from a lack of class.
2014-05-19 10:51:29 AM
1 votes:

ko_kyi: Some of those limits are reasonable, some are clearly designed to force the organizers to pay someone $265/hour to plug in the replacement monitor.


A scary one I read about from New York:  They had identified a serious safety problem with a skyscraper.  While they were engineering a proper fix they quickly stuck some strain gauges in the building in lieu of evacuation.  Speed was important, as was keeping quiet.  The union couldn't get it done fast enough, they brought in some outside people.  One day they quit working--the union had found out about non-union wiring and ripped it out.

what_now: Sure. But as soon as you say "oh, well that's a baby, he can come in" the next Super Special Mommy brings her two year old because he's in a stroller and can't get out and run around.

Until he gets whiny and she lets him out, and he starts running around.


Yeah, there's no good way to draw a lower line.  Thus they don't try to.  I've been in a decent number of trade shows over the years and there's always stuff around that's not safe for kids.  I've seen all sorts of sharp things lying around, I've seen toxic stuff lying around, I've seen a cup of liquid nitrogen sitting there (it was rather in the focus of attention so I won't say it was just lying around) and I've seen lots of industrial machinery operating without proper guards in place.  (Panels were opened to show how it operated.  This never happened without a rep right there discussing it but you can easily have several people and one rep--he can't watch everyone's fingers.)

gulogulo: Just make a rule that strollers aren't allowed. I'm on the fence about this. It isn't even an issue of breast feeding so much as it is making barriers to mothers from participating in business - and this is a long standing issue with women who may or may not want to become mothers. Sure, she could have pumped perhaps, but it sounded like this was a longish trip for her (Minnesota to Chicago). How much would she have had to save up to make that feasible for her infant, especially at 10 days old? On the other hand, I can see the policy makers not wanting to have to be the arbiters of which kids are ok and which are not. If she'd been smarter, she would have called them ahead of time to negotiate some sort of possibility of her attendance particularly since she was invited.


There's no way she could have pumped--not enough time.  What she should have done is arranged some nearby caretaker, she goes out of the show to feed her baby when it's hungry.

yngdaniel: It's a trade show, not a construction site. An infant is not going to be in any particular danger by going to a trade show, they're not really spraying hot oil all over the participants. A toddler/grade schooler/preteen is potentially going to get in a lot more trouble, since they can run around, get underfoot, and touch stuff they're not supposed to touch.


When you're dealing with heavy machinery trade shows can be dangerous places.  About the only thing I've seen on a construction site that I haven't seen in a trade show is concrete equipment (and that's not to say it would never happen, just that I would have no reason to attend the sort of show that would have it) and I've seen some power tools set up for passersby to operate--something you're not likely to get away with on a construction site.

Thosw: How did this woman not know her due date when she signed up for the trade show in the first place? I think this proves how entitled she thinks she is, because she would have done the math at some point and either thought "Well, I probably won't go into labor - it's only one day of standing on my feet - pregnant" or "Surely they'll make an exception and I should probably ask, but I'm doing the marketing, raising a 2- and a 4-year old plus I'm pregnant. HELLO!?!"


You're assuming they could have sent someone else in her place.  That's often not the case.
2014-05-19 10:10:33 AM
1 votes:

lennavan: Miss Burns: No one has mentioned exposing the baby to germs from thousand's of people from all over the country
jaylectricity: That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.
Chuck Wagon: 't forget that childbirth, especially if a c-section, can take quite some time to recover from.
d23: that's bonding time with the kid. Stay at home.

I have to ask all of you -- How many days after birth is the mother is allowed back out in public with her infant?

This lady was wrong and stupid to bring an infant to a trade show because the trade show had a no one under 16 years old policy.  That's it.  I have no idea why that forced you all to suddenly post stupid things.


Yes, because all she was doing was showing herself in public. Go fark yourself moran.
2014-05-19 09:55:28 AM
1 votes:

what_now: Sure. But as soon as you say "oh, well that's a baby, he can come in" the next Super Special Mommy brings her two year old because he's in a stroller and can't get out and run around.


A 10 day old is physically incapable of walking, crawling or even rolling over.
2014-05-19 09:39:54 AM
1 votes:

d23: Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.


Don't forget that childbirth, especially if a c-section, can take quite some time to recover from. 10 days is barely any time to recover.

Taking care of a newborn is a lot of work. To try and take care of a newborn alone for several days, drive hundreds of miles stopping constantly to tend to the baby, waking numerous times during the the night to take care of the baby, and then to try and present at a trade show while still taking care of the baby? And all that on top of just recovering from childbirth? I don't see how its possible to do even half of that and still take good care of the baby. To even think to do something like this seems crazy. Either she is insane or a neglectful parent, and neither option speaks well of her as a parent. I hope the states child services investigates this woman.
2014-05-19 09:20:27 AM
1 votes:
Man On A Mission: What part of "no children allowed" did she not understand?

This.

It's also annoying that she apparently called the press to complain about this.
2014-05-19 09:16:47 AM
1 votes:

skozlaw: fredklein: What about...

What about "all children for safety reasons" is confusing to you?

There is no issue here. At all. No matter how hard you try to make one. All children. Because sharp knives and fire.

End of story.


The clowns trying to make excuses for this stupid biatch are really ignorant. All children. ALL children. Up to and including the one that just schlorped out of your pussy 10 days ago. Rules are rules, assholes. Follow them or GTFO.
2014-05-19 09:11:13 AM
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: d23: Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.

Beyond that, how can she not realize how incredibly unprofessional "working" with a child strapped to you is?

I get that trade shows are important, and often only happen once a year for a promoter or venue- but come on, lady. If you simply can't be separated for your child for 3 days, maybe you should skip the show to stay home with your child.

I have an infant son. I *once* tried to work with him sleeping and attached to me. It did not go well. Never again.


Her winery is called three daughters, named for her having three daughters, she was promoting the place as family owned and female operated.

she is charge of marketing..

the infant was a prop at that point
2014-05-19 08:34:01 AM
1 votes:

dready zim: . From a dangerous environment for over 16`s...


It's a trade show, not a construction site.  An infant is not going to be in any particular danger by going to a trade show, they're not really spraying hot oil all over the participants.  A toddler/grade schooler/preteen is potentially going to get in a lot more trouble, since they can run around, get underfoot, and touch stuff they're not supposed to touch.

That said, I have no doubt the insurance says "nobody under 16", which means nobody under 16, period.  She really should have called first.
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 08:30:34 AM
1 votes:

fredklein: What about a pregnant woman? Does the baby count as 'under 16'??


I see you've taken the Right's redefinition of words as a given.
2014-05-19 08:29:45 AM
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Matthew Keene: Time Magazine put it bluntly.


Not that I don't appreciate you finding a reason to post that goofy thing, but it had nothing to do with the breast feeding. Kids just aren't allowed, period, because it's a trade show for restaurateurs, so it's full of sharp objects, fire and power kitchen utensils.

/ Now I'm imagining something like the kitchen fight from Gremlins breaking out on the show floor
2014-05-19 08:15:59 AM
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gulogulo: dready zim: gulogulo: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

If It`s such a big deal to be there and show off your product then DON`T MESS IT UP BY BEING AN ENTITLED BEECH.

Is it? I didn't see that in the article. Source?

My source is working in this sort of environment for quite a while. I buy our public liability insurance, employer liability etc and I know it costs a lot more if you have kids at your event.

This is my opinion but feel free to argue against it if you have anything.

The word `source` is not a counter argument...

/Just because they don`t print `here be dragons` on maps anymore doesn`t mean there are not dragons still there...

No shiat it wasn't a counter argument, source was a request for your source for your expertise because I find specific claims of insider knowledge spurious.  But like, it's your opinion man, so I'll just take your word for it, I guess?


No, don`t take my word for it, just do anything rather than the rather sad call for a citation being your *only* rebuttal. I have provided my source, it`s experience. I`ve worked in this environment. I`ve seen plenty of insurance documents (I arrange the public and employer liability insurance for our company) and I am friends with people that run events that need insurance. Things that are definite are stated firmly for example the section that defines terms the term `participant` may well defined it as `A person aged 16 or over` and (alongside other definitions) also restrict that to people with an invitation neither of which apply to the baby.

Not following the conditions of your insurance invalidates it. That`s a pretty big deal for events like this.

Now, what is your counter argument that is not simple incredulity based on your ignorance of my knowledge?

How will you show that my words are false, as you seem to claim?
2014-05-19 08:05:15 AM
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OhioUGrad: Mirandized: They asked her why she didn't leave the infant at home with her husband and their other two children. She answered that she was breast feeding and obviously he couldn't do that. Well, just as obviously, she could have stayed with the infant and other children and sent her husband to the trade show. There are consequences for all decisions, including the decision to breast feed. The trade show excluded children for safety reasons, and that included an infant in arms.

Or it's not like they haven't invented these fancy things called breast pumps that women can use to have breast milk available for when you cannot be there for or with the infant.


The baby's only 10 days old. It takes a while to pump enough to leave baby away from mom for a few days, not to mention the extreme discomfort and embarassment of full, leaky boobs after missing a couple of feedings.
2014-05-19 08:02:35 AM
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I agree she shouldn't have gone in the first place, but at least she didn't make a stink. She was just disheartened, but compliant. Plus, someone had let her in, so someone else figured it'd be fine too.
To everyone saying she could pump, boobs aren't infinite stocks of milk. They will run dry long before you could get a (let's say) three day supply for an infant that eats every hour. And you're not supposed to refrigerate it for more than two days either. I don't blame her for trying to get away with it.
2014-05-19 08:01:46 AM
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fredklein: dready zim: fredklein: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

What about a pregnant woman? Does the baby count as 'under 16'??

Strawman. There is no baby, a pregnant woman is one entity for insurance purposes.

So, one second it's "a single person", but a few minutes and a little pushing later it's an unacceptable insurance risk. Nice.


Yes, the law (and biology) works that way. There is only a baby after birth.

Are you getting confused by all this? Did your parents explain `the miracle of childbirth` to you?

OK, I`ll give it a go as you seem to have a gap in your education...

Your father farked your mother. At least once, your father and your mother were in bed, and your father got a hard-on, and he stuck it inside your mother and they farked. Sometimes maybe your father farked your mother in the ass, and maybe on the night that you were conceived maybe they did that, before or after, or maybe they didn't, maybe your father never farked your mother's ass, but on the night that you were conceived, one thing is certain: your father farked your mother in her coont.

Maybe your mother sucked your father's dick first, and maybe your father ate your mother's pussy. Maybe your father sucked your mother's clit while sticking a finger or two up your mother's slit until she got really wet. Maybe he got his whole hand up there. If you have older brothers or sisters, then your father probably could have gotten his whole hand up there. If not, then maybe not. But at some point, your mother was wet and loose enough to accommodate your father, and they farked.

Maybe they did it doggy-style. Maybe your mother got on top of your father. Maybe your parents liked to talk dirty to each other when they were farking.

Maybe your mother screamed, "Oh daddy. Oh daddy. fark me, daddy, fark me, fark me, fark me," and then maybe your daddy shouted, "Here it comes! Here it comes! Get ready, biatch, here I come," and then maybe your mother said, "Come in me, come in me, come in me! Oh yeah, baby, fark your mommy, fark your momma's sweet pussy, oh yeah, daddy, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah."

Or maybe they were very quiet.

But at any rate, eventually your father came and his sperm shot out of his dick and it went up your mother's coont and it fertilized her egg and that was you. That was you in your mother's womb, growing like a virus for nine months, making your mother fatter and fatter, making her sick, making her vomit, making her hate your father for doing this to her, making her hate you, this thing inside of her, like a virus, growing and sucking, like a leech attached to her, sucking her blood, drinking her like a vampire fetus, growing and sucking and growing and sucking until one day you want out, and you burst through the snotty membrane and you pop out of your mother's coont all covered with blood, and a bloody umbilical cord still attaches you to the inside of your mother somewhere 'til someone snips it off and you are severed. You are a separate being.

This is the miracle of childbirth. To some, it is proof that there is a God.

Now after you were born, maybe you sucked milk out of your mother's tit. Maybe your father wiped the shiat off your shiatty ass. I don't know. You'll have to ask them. But that is basically the way people are born. In a nutshell, that is it. Unless you were a test tube baby, which you weren't, so just face it: your father farked your mother, and the next time you're farking somebody, just try to keep that in mind.

(sung ad-libs, including the following)
Miracle
Miracle

fark me, daddy, fark me, fark me, fark me, fark me, fark me

Here I come
Here I come
Get ready, biatch, here I come

Miracle
Miracle
Miracle
Miracle
Miracle

Oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy

Miracle
2014-05-19 07:55:19 AM
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gfid: And some people wonder why others are against unions.


No, it's usually just safe to assume they are ignorant of the conditions that existed which forced the formation of unions in the first place.
2014-05-19 07:49:41 AM
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The woman can pump, the baby could live on formula for the 3 days of the show.
2014-05-19 07:33:27 AM
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Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "I'm disappointed mostly," Osborne said. "It was a really big deal they invited us to pour at the show. It was a really big deal for our little whinery."


www.woodworkingtalk.com
I see what you did there.
2014-05-19 07:22:54 AM
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fredklein: Mirandized: The trade show excluded children for safety reasons

Exactly! I mean, what if that baby had jumped out of her arms and started running around?

""There are knives. There are ovens. There are cooking demonstrations with open flames," Hinsley said. "There's all sorts of equipment that could be very dangerous to a child to have any interaction with...""

Yup, that baby could have crawled onto an oven (after turning it on), and burned itself! Or picked up a knife and cut itself!!


Silence. There are rules. All will obey the rules.

Hail Hydra.
2014-05-19 07:13:06 AM
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Why is this Breaking News, Chicago Tribune. There's shiat going on in Ukraine and Sudan. Go report on that.
2014-05-19 07:08:10 AM
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"Clearly he's a breast-feeding baby..." - stopped reading at that

Biatch
2014-05-19 07:04:59 AM
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Also my first thought when I hear someone has an infant at a restaurant trade show is check their family tree for Fish:

horrornews.net
2014-05-19 06:56:05 AM
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ko_kyi: mjohnson71: /Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid

Your company should have told you those limitations at a Union show.

Some of those limits are reasonable, some are clearly designed to force the organizers to pay someone $265/hour to plug in the replacement monitor.


And some people wonder why others are against unions.
2014-05-19 06:53:30 AM
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ko_kyi: mjohnson71: /Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid

Your company should have told you those limitations at a Union show.

Some of those limits are reasonable, some are clearly designed to force the organizers to pay someone $265/hour to plug in the replacement monitor.


The way I was told the "big" stuff was union and we could do "small" things. I didn't see switching out a faulty monitor as "big".

Trust me: I learned my lesson.
2014-05-19 06:44:00 AM
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Osborne, 31, knew about the trade show rule that does not allow children under 16, she said, but did not think it would apply to her sleeping, 10-day-old baby wrapped closely to her chest.

I'm no expert on newborns, but is a loud, crowded convention hall where the one parent present is trying to conduct business really the best place for them?
2014-05-19 06:39:09 AM
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yes, the time hollowed fark thread where one self entitled b*tch is outraged because she can't whip her t*t out and start lactating wherever she wants. oh god. other people have sensibilities too. maybe you could respect those.
2014-05-19 06:31:30 AM
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"I'm disappointed mostly," Osborne said. "It was a really big deal they invited us to pour at the show. It was a really big deal for our little whinery."
 
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