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(Chicago Trib)   Woman surprised to learn you can't bring a hungry kid to the National Restaurant Association trade show   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 180
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2014-05-19 09:54:19 AM  
Why are so many people ITT bringing up breastfeeding?  Breastfeeding was never the issue with this woman.  The fact that she brought her CHILD to an event that did not allow CHILDREN is the issue.

No one cares about her tits except her kid.
 
2014-05-19 09:55:28 AM  

what_now: Sure. But as soon as you say "oh, well that's a baby, he can come in" the next Super Special Mommy brings her two year old because he's in a stroller and can't get out and run around.


A 10 day old is physically incapable of walking, crawling or even rolling over.
 
2014-05-19 09:58:00 AM  

mjohnson71: DO NOT fark with the bosses and unions at McCormick place. One time at a show I unplugged one of our monitors which was broken from our power strip and our computer and reconnected a working monitor to said equipment. I/we pissed off like 3 unions in the process and I got my show badge pulled.

/Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid


Saw the same thing there and in Philly at an IT conference the guy next to us had to get a laptop monitor adapter and unscrewed one panel on the back of their display because he had been asking for about 30mins to have someone come over because he had a meeting and the union guys were the ones who put his briefcase in there to begin with and no one would come over to help. and the one guy that did was going to charge him and he said for what? the union guy left and the poor guy finally used a screw driver and unscrewed 2 screws got his back and screwed it back up and left. When it was tear down time he was sitting there alone in the huge room with none of his boxes or anything and just sitting there. Saw him later at another show and some of his equipment didn't make the flight and got "lost" and he had to sit in that place for 5 hours.
Chicago and Unions..... shocker?
 
2014-05-19 10:00:18 AM  
eat da poo poo
 
2014-05-19 10:00:24 AM  

Chronomorte: I really don't see why this is a story.  There were rules that applied to an event, she did not follow the rules so she was not allowed at the event.  This is exactly the same as if some guy showed up without a shirt and got sent home.  This lady sounds like the same kind of person who would take three crying kids to an R movie because she is special and can opt out of societal rules that everyone else follows out of common courtesy.


There is a difference between expectations of "societal rules" and specific, clearly enumerated rules based on liabilities and insurance. Taking the kids to an R-rated movie is something she could indeed do as their parent.

Not that I think she should, or have the capacity to care any less about her feelings. I'm just pointing out that the above situations are not synonymous.
 
2014-05-19 10:00:34 AM  

Lokkii: The only opinions that matter a bit in this case are the Insurance company's, and the Jury's.  IF the worst-case scenario happens, can the insurance company find a way to deny coverage? If they can, they will. Then you're off to court with no insurance money to cover your liability.  Additionally, if nothing happens but the insurance company finds out you didn't follow the requirements of the policy, you're likely to have your coverage for the show cancelled.

Finally, as an administrator, if I can find the Security person who let her in with the baby, that person gets fired. I don't want someone at that level bending rules. "No one under 16" is a nice bright easily enforceable rule. Once you start allowing exceptions, complexity ensues. I don't want $10 an hour personnel making complex decisions.

Hint - if she had asked in advance, the lawyers and the insurance people could have been consulted and an advised decision could have been made. It probably would have been 'No', but it would have been a considered answer. Just showing up at the show with the baby is a "Default-to-No" situation.


I get the insurance liability thing, but if her presence was important *to the show*, surely the lawyers could have come up with some kind of waiver, an agreement to hold harmless if the baby is accidentally cooked? (And honestly, the #1 danger to a 10-day-old in this situation is airborne pathogens, of the type that the kid will be vaccinated for, later.)

I also kind of understand her strategy (though I don't approve). It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission sometimes, especially when you're certain the answer will be "No, because we would have to ask our lawyers, too much trouble." So it didn't go well. Oops.

And please don't be so hard on the security guard. A newborn strapped to its mother can be rendered near-invisible with very little effort. Put a jacket on over the sling, baby fits neatly and snugly under the breast, nothing to here see at all. I'm sure this lady would have taken the typical precautions one does when smuggling in contraband.
 
2014-05-19 10:01:56 AM  
Osborne, 31, knew about the trade show rule that does not allow children under 16, she said, but did not think it would apply to her sleeping, 10-day-old baby wrapped closely to her chest.

Because, in a strange trick of math, 10 days is actually more than 16 years.  Weird, huh?
 
2014-05-19 10:10:33 AM  

lennavan: Miss Burns: No one has mentioned exposing the baby to germs from thousand's of people from all over the country
jaylectricity: That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.
Chuck Wagon: 't forget that childbirth, especially if a c-section, can take quite some time to recover from.
d23: that's bonding time with the kid. Stay at home.

I have to ask all of you -- How many days after birth is the mother is allowed back out in public with her infant?

This lady was wrong and stupid to bring an infant to a trade show because the trade show had a no one under 16 years old policy.  That's it.  I have no idea why that forced you all to suddenly post stupid things.


Yes, because all she was doing was showing herself in public. Go fark yourself moran.
 
2014-05-19 10:12:48 AM  

Matthew Keene: Time Magazine put it bluntly.

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I like this version better:

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2014-05-19 10:12:49 AM  

Chuck Wagon: lennavan: Miss Burns: No one has mentioned exposing the baby to germs from thousand's of people from all over the country
jaylectricity: That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.
Chuck Wagon: 't forget that childbirth, especially if a c-section, can take quite some time to recover from.
d23: that's bonding time with the kid. Stay at home.

I have to ask all of you -- How many days after birth is the mother is allowed back out in public with her infant?

This lady was wrong and stupid to bring an infant to a trade show because the trade show had a no one under 16 years old policy.  That's it.  I have no idea why that forced you all to suddenly post stupid things.

Yes, because all she was doing was showing herself in public. Go fark yourself moran.


Hey there, go easy.  I was nice enough to include your comment in my list.  We both know you were trolling.  I thought you'd appreciate it.
 
2014-05-19 10:17:45 AM  

E5bie: I get the insurance liability thing, but if her presence was important *to the show*, surely the lawyers could have come up with some kind of waiver


No, her presence was not important to the show.  It sounds like her winery was more of a glorified one-person hobby.  If she were representing Taylor or Gallo and they had rented several large booths all joined together, then her employer would have had some clout with the NRA.
 
2014-05-19 10:22:07 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Why are so many people ITT bringing up breastfeeding?  Breastfeeding was never the issue with this woman.  The fact that she brought her CHILD to an event that did not allow CHILDREN is the issue.

No one cares about her tits except her kid.


This is Fark, so boobies.
 
2014-05-19 10:27:28 AM  

QueenMamaBee: TNel: QueenMamaBee: You salivate. That's a bodily function. So get your butt in the restroom, mister! (or miss)

Well if you are openly drooling then I would hope you would.  But since it's whisked away down your throat then why would you need to?

Well, breast milk is whisked down the kid's throat.

I don't agree with the kid being at the trade show, but that was just a crappy argument.

Also, I've seen people openly drooling at a mall food court. Of course, it's usually small children or the developmentally disabled.


So women don't squeeze it and spray it around like it's a fountain?!  Damn porn has me all messed up.
 
2014-05-19 10:29:47 AM  

TNel: So women don't squeeze it and spray it around like it's a fountain?!  Damn porn has me all messed up.


That's how it should be, don't let anyone tell you different.
 
2014-05-19 10:38:44 AM  
I am an advocate for breastfeeding, and I think this lady was wrong. Children are not allowed, period. The end. The trade show has every right to make and enforce that rule.

She should have hired someone to attend the show for her, if her business being represented was that important.
 
2014-05-19 10:42:26 AM  
a 10 day old baby isn't a baby. It's a omnipresent parasite in a pink blanket. You can't not feed the little monster. And she shouldn't be penalized for it's presence.
 
2014-05-19 10:45:02 AM  

mjohnson71: DO NOT fark with the bosses and unions at McCormick place. One time at a show I unplugged one of our monitors which was broken from our power strip and our computer and reconnected a working monitor to said equipment. I/we pissed off like 3 unions in the process and I got my show badge pulled.

/Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid

I got in trouble at an expo during the takedown. I took a bag we had full of sensitive electronics that I had brought in with me and I left with it. You would have thought I raped everyone in the unions wife teh stink they made. From then on I just let them do it.


I have a feeling she wont be invited back to the expo next year.
 
2014-05-19 10:48:23 AM  

groppet: mjohnson71: DO NOT fark with the bosses and unions at McCormick place. One time at a show I unplugged one of our monitors which was broken from our power strip and our computer and reconnected a working monitor to said equipment. I/we pissed off like 3 unions in the process and I got my show badge pulled.

/Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid

I got in trouble at an expo during the takedown. I took a bag we had full of sensitive electronics that I had brought in with me and I left with it. You would have thought I raped everyone in the unions wife teh stink they made. From then on I just let them do it.


I have a feeling she wont be invited back to the expo next year.



If she had used the union wet nurse, this wouldn't have been a problem.
 
2014-05-19 10:51:29 AM  

ko_kyi: Some of those limits are reasonable, some are clearly designed to force the organizers to pay someone $265/hour to plug in the replacement monitor.


A scary one I read about from New York:  They had identified a serious safety problem with a skyscraper.  While they were engineering a proper fix they quickly stuck some strain gauges in the building in lieu of evacuation.  Speed was important, as was keeping quiet.  The union couldn't get it done fast enough, they brought in some outside people.  One day they quit working--the union had found out about non-union wiring and ripped it out.

what_now: Sure. But as soon as you say "oh, well that's a baby, he can come in" the next Super Special Mommy brings her two year old because he's in a stroller and can't get out and run around.

Until he gets whiny and she lets him out, and he starts running around.


Yeah, there's no good way to draw a lower line.  Thus they don't try to.  I've been in a decent number of trade shows over the years and there's always stuff around that's not safe for kids.  I've seen all sorts of sharp things lying around, I've seen toxic stuff lying around, I've seen a cup of liquid nitrogen sitting there (it was rather in the focus of attention so I won't say it was just lying around) and I've seen lots of industrial machinery operating without proper guards in place.  (Panels were opened to show how it operated.  This never happened without a rep right there discussing it but you can easily have several people and one rep--he can't watch everyone's fingers.)

gulogulo: Just make a rule that strollers aren't allowed. I'm on the fence about this. It isn't even an issue of breast feeding so much as it is making barriers to mothers from participating in business - and this is a long standing issue with women who may or may not want to become mothers. Sure, she could have pumped perhaps, but it sounded like this was a longish trip for her (Minnesota to Chicago). How much would she have had to save up to make that feasible for her infant, especially at 10 days old? On the other hand, I can see the policy makers not wanting to have to be the arbiters of which kids are ok and which are not. If she'd been smarter, she would have called them ahead of time to negotiate some sort of possibility of her attendance particularly since she was invited.


There's no way she could have pumped--not enough time.  What she should have done is arranged some nearby caretaker, she goes out of the show to feed her baby when it's hungry.

yngdaniel: It's a trade show, not a construction site. An infant is not going to be in any particular danger by going to a trade show, they're not really spraying hot oil all over the participants. A toddler/grade schooler/preteen is potentially going to get in a lot more trouble, since they can run around, get underfoot, and touch stuff they're not supposed to touch.


When you're dealing with heavy machinery trade shows can be dangerous places.  About the only thing I've seen on a construction site that I haven't seen in a trade show is concrete equipment (and that's not to say it would never happen, just that I would have no reason to attend the sort of show that would have it) and I've seen some power tools set up for passersby to operate--something you're not likely to get away with on a construction site.

Thosw: How did this woman not know her due date when she signed up for the trade show in the first place? I think this proves how entitled she thinks she is, because she would have done the math at some point and either thought "Well, I probably won't go into labor - it's only one day of standing on my feet - pregnant" or "Surely they'll make an exception and I should probably ask, but I'm doing the marketing, raising a 2- and a 4-year old plus I'm pregnant. HELLO!?!"


You're assuming they could have sent someone else in her place.  That's often not the case.
 
2014-05-19 11:02:46 AM  

groppet: mjohnson71: DO NOT fark with the bosses and unions at McCormick place. One time at a show I unplugged one of our monitors which was broken from our power strip and our computer and reconnected a working monitor to said equipment. I/we pissed off like 3 unions in the process and I got my show badge pulled.

/Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid

I got in trouble at an expo during the takedown. I took a bag we had full of sensitive electronics that I had brought in with me and I left with it. You would have thought I raped everyone in the unions wife teh stink they made. From then on I just let them do it.

I have a feeling she wont be invited back to the expo next year.


I also watched the carpenters union rep and the electricians union rep battle it out over who got to hang our HDTVs based upon what the brackets attached to. A whole wood vs metal thing.
 
2014-05-19 11:07:57 AM  
Breastfeeding is irrelevant to this discussion.  It's completely beside the point.

Anywhere the woman and her baby are permitted to be, she is allowed to breastfeed the baby.  That is her right by law and that is not in dispute.

In this case however, the child is not permitted to be there, making the entire breastfeeding angle of this discussion moot.

You can argue all day about whether an exception to the "no kids" policy should be made for a 10-day-old infant, but I'm sure what may seem a reasonable exception to many here may not seem so to the insurance companies providing liability coverage for the event, and then you have the tricky issue of where exactly you draw the line for reasonable exceptions.

This woman admittedly knew about the policy, yet assumed it wouldn't apply to her, without even bothering to check with meeting organizers.  It's the height of arrogance and self-absorption, and IFAIC she has no right to go crying to the press about a problem that should have been easily anticipated ahead of time.
 
2014-05-19 11:11:05 AM  
Two basic facts:

A. She knew the rules stated "No children under 16" before she even went.
B. She thought that her poor widdle snowfwake could be an exception but discovered otherwise.


This isn't 'Nam. This is a trade show. There are RULES.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-19 11:11:57 AM  
What weirdo brings a 10 day old baby to a trade show?
 
2014-05-19 11:13:24 AM  

sandi_fish: What weirdo brings a 10 day old baby to a trade show?



A whino.
 
2014-05-19 11:22:41 AM  

mjohnson71: DO NOT fark with the bosses and unions at McCormick place. One time at a show I unplugged one of our monitors which was broken from our power strip and our computer and reconnected a working monitor to said equipment. I/we pissed off like 3 unions in the process and I got my show badge pulled.

/Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid


And don't forget the end-of-show shakedown to get your shipping crates back.

"They're pretty far back in storage and it'll be a while before we can get to them. Unless..."

I watched them go from booth to booth collecting bribe money. Unions Rock!
 
2014-05-19 11:29:14 AM  
Read to the last line - she was invited to work a booth and planned to be pouring wine drinks there with a baby hanging from her chest. Freedom and protective laws are necessary and awesome, but they don't protect the rest of us from a lack of class.
 
2014-05-19 11:32:18 AM  
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It's a 10-day old baby swaddled around her body, not some roaming crotchfuit farking with anything it can touch.  The rule specifies children interacting with things.  This 10-day old baby isnt capable of interacting with anything at any booth unless Mom unswaddles it to play with fire.  The mom, while wanting to network, would certainly know not to take the kid to the Hibachi display.  I get that many here support the food rules but the 10-day old baby isnt capable of being harmed unless the mother was also harmed in the process.

It's really just a mask for all the people who (rightfully so) just dont want to deal with kids.  Her 10-day old isnt a kind of child any of them have to "deal with".  Leaving to be fed/changed every hour (which is what she was doing) also prevented their precious sensibilities from being invaded by it's crying.  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.
 
2014-05-19 11:35:53 AM  

The Flexecutioner: It's really just a mask for all the people who (rightfully so) just dont want to deal with kids.  Her 10-day old isnt a kind of child any of them have to "deal with".  Leaving to be fed/changed every hour (which is what she was doing) also prevented their precious sensibilities from being invaded by it's crying.  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.


No, it is her expecting the NRA to assume significant financial liability by waiving insurance requirements.  She had every opportunity to work something out ahead of time, but chose to just show up and hope to get her way.  It isn't a mask, it is expecting the event producers to increase their risk purely for her convenience.
 
2014-05-19 11:39:33 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Reading the responses here and on the site reminds me why most white people annoy me. At their worst, they have very little common sense or kindness.


Don't worry - the feeling is mutual.

That said.

Stated rule.

She was aware of rule.

She did not ask about an exception (as it would have probably been denied anyway).

She was asked to leave.

In a nutshell, between 'ask permission' or 'beg forgiveness' she opted for the latter (probably with the mindset of thinking the organizers would be less likely to deny her once she was there - she was wrong)

Trade show means business.  I am all for mothers in business but understand that there is an expectionation that the mother will need to make reasonable accomodations to handle her personal life.

This lady did not.

Until she joins the "No Sheet Sherlock" club and gets a clue, I do not foresee her business thriving.

Hopefully this recent batch of crotchfruit falls far from the trees from which they were born.
 
2014-05-19 11:42:34 AM  

The Flexecutioner: The rule specifies children interacting with things.


Does it?

The Flexecutioner: I get that many here support the food rules but the 10-day old baby isnt capable of being harmed unless the mother was also harmed in the process.


And if that happens, who is liable for injuries to the child?

The Flexecutioner: It's really just a mask for all the people who (rightfully so) just dont want to deal with kids.


Not at all.  I love kids.  I have a toddler of my own.  I don't take him places where he isn't allowed to be, and I didn't do it when he was a newborn either.

This isn't about kid-hating, this is about people with a sense of entitlement who believe that they are special and rules don't apply to them.  This is a widespread phenomenon that goes far beyond parents.
 
2014-05-19 11:44:06 AM  
has the thing been vaccinated yet?
 
2014-05-19 11:46:21 AM  

skozlaw: fredklein: What about...

What about "all children for safety reasons" is confusing to you?

There is no issue here. At all. No matter how hard you try to make one. All children. Because sharp knives and fire.

End of story.


How, exactly, can a baby, strapped to mommy, get ahold of a knife (not to mention magically grow the muscles and coordination needed to grab it)??

How, exactly, can a baby, strapped to mommy, wind up wandering around to crawl into an oven, or get burned??

I agree the ban on children is a good one- kids can get into all sorts of trouble... But not a 10 day old baby strapped to mommy.
 
2014-05-19 11:49:35 AM  

dopekitty74: OhioUGrad: Mirandized: They asked her why she didn't leave the infant at home with her husband and their other two children. She answered that she was breast feeding and obviously he couldn't do that. Well, just as obviously, she could have stayed with the infant and other children and sent her husband to the trade show. There are consequences for all decisions, including the decision to breast feed. The trade show excluded children for safety reasons, and that included an infant in arms.

Or it's not like they haven't invented these fancy things called breast pumps that women can use to have breast milk available for when you cannot be there for or with the infant.

The baby's only 10 days old. It takes a while to pump enough to leave baby away from mom for a few days, not to mention the extreme discomfort and embarassment of full, leaky boobs after missing a couple of feedings.


Just milk her like a cow and throw some of those feminine absorption things in her bra and she'll be fine.

/kidding
 
2014-05-19 11:49:49 AM  
Woman shocked to learn that the rules apply to her too.

Film at 11.
 
2014-05-19 11:51:08 AM  

The Flexecutioner:  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.



rule
rool/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.


Words.  They mean things.
 
2014-05-19 11:57:30 AM  

Doc Daneeka: The Flexecutioner: The rule specifies children interacting with things.

Does it?


The NRA spokesperson in TFA says the rule is there for safety reasons as knives, ovens and open flames are dangerous things for children to interact with. A 10 day old is only going to 'interact' with knives or fire if someone attempts to murder it in its mothers arms.
 
2014-05-19 11:59:31 AM  

Doc Daneeka: The Flexecutioner: The rule specifies children interacting with things.

Does it?

The Flexecutioner: I get that many here support the food rules but the 10-day old baby isnt capable of being harmed unless the mother was also harmed in the process.

And if that happens, who is liable for injuries to the child?

The Flexecutioner: It's really just a mask for all the people who (rightfully so) just dont want to deal with kids.

Not at all.  I love kids.  I have a toddler of my own.  I don't take him places where he isn't allowed to be, and I didn't do it when he was a newborn either.

This isn't about kid-hating, this is about people with a sense of entitlement who believe that they are special and rules don't apply to them.  This is a widespread phenomenon that goes far beyond parents.


Who is liable if an adult is harmed? It might be the NRA but it might be the booth/presenter/etc.  This should be no different if an infant was harmed.  Why not have a general waiver she has to sign to indemnify themselves of it?  Seems rational.

And you dont speak for the NRA.  Just because you dont take them places doesnt mean you know why the rule is in place.  Don't confuse kid-hating for the desires of an atmosphere not conducive to children.  Someone who circumstantially doesnt want "kids" present doesnt hate them.  Also don't confuse the capabilities of all children with that of a 10-day old infant.  She had no sense of entitlement.  She had a sense that rationality was a possibility.  Clearly she learned it wasnt.
 
2014-05-19 12:00:01 PM  

fredklein: How, exactly, can a baby, strapped to mommy, wind up wandering around to crawl into an oven, or get burned??


How about a baby, strapped to mommy, getting 3rd degree burns from hot oil splashing over her face due to an accident?

This is about insurance, not mom's rights, not breastfeeding, nothing but insurance and liability.
 
2014-05-19 12:02:28 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: The Flexecutioner:  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.


rule
rool/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.

Words.  They mean things.


Yep.  I love it when a 6 year old is expelled from school for making a gun gesture with his fingers.  Zero tolerance is totally legit.  Totally.

/meanings have meaning
 
2014-05-19 12:02:52 PM  

eggrolls: a 10 day old baby isn't a baby. It's a omnipresent parasite in a pink blanket. You can't not feed the little monster. And she shouldn't be penalized for it's presence.


Except in the event that it's presence was clearly stated as not being allowed, as it was in this situation.
 
2014-05-19 12:05:01 PM  

Doc Daneeka: The Flexecutioner: It's really just a mask for all the people who (rightfully so) just dont want to deal with kids.


Not at all.  I love kids.  I have a toddler of my own.  I don't take him places where he isn't allowed to be, and I didn't do it when he was a newborn either.

This isn't about kid-hating, this is about people with a sense of entitlement who believe that they are special and rules don't apply to them.  This is a widespread phenomenon that goes far beyond parents.


How dare people who may be nurturing parents in their spare time not want to mix family life and work life! Travesty!
 
2014-05-19 12:06:42 PM  
I work in disability and maternity leave laws so I can say a few things in regards to the baby...

Standard post-partum recovery is 6 weeks, 8 for a C-Section.
Her employer may not be obligated to offer Maternity Leave/Family Medical Leave if their company is under 50 employees, which a winery would likely be. (I'm not counting the people picking the grapes.)
Her employer may not be obligated to offer her Maternity/FML if she's a "Key" employee, meaning nobody can replace her.

That said,  she was out of line in assuming she'd be excempt from the "no children" rule without first asking if this could be allowed. But honestly, if I had a baby 10 days ago, I'd not want to be up on my feet dealing with trade show attendees all day long. Not to mention the noise, germs, and constant interruptions to feed said baby or change nappies... Bad choice on her part all around.
 
2014-05-19 12:06:50 PM  

Target Builder: Doc Daneeka: The Flexecutioner: The rule specifies children interacting with things.

Does it?

The NRA spokesperson in TFA says the rule is there for safety reasons as knives, ovens and open flames are dangerous things for children to interact with. A 10 day old is only going to 'interact' with knives or fire if someone attempts to murder it in its mothers arms.


That may be the rationale for the reason, but I think it is unlikely that the rule specifies children interacting with things.  From the sounds of it, it is a blanket "no kids allowed" policy.

Target Builder: A 10 day old is only going to 'interact' with knives or fire if someone attempts to murder it in its mothers arms.


Accidents happen, particularly in a crowded place with heavy equipment, fire, and knives.  I'm not even talking about the infant doing anything.  You people lack imagination.  Scalding liquids can be spilled, knives can be dropped, people can turn and collide, people can trip and fall, etc.  The baby doesn't have to do or cause anything, it is easy to imagine how injuries could happen to a child.  Particularly in a crowded place, with a new mother who isn't accustomed yet to getting around with a child strapped to her.

Accidents happen, and an accident happening at a place like that to a small child is likely to result in far more serious injuries than would be suffered by an adult.

And then who is liable?
 
2014-05-19 12:07:19 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Satan's Bunny Slippers: The Flexecutioner:  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.


rule
rool/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.

Words.  They mean things.

Yep.  I love it when a 6 year old is expelled from school for making a gun gesture with his fingers.  Zero tolerance is totally legit.  Totally.

/meanings have meaning


Ah, another strawman generator.  I shall farkie you as such.

One of those has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but you go ahead, you disingenuous farker, you.
 
2014-05-19 12:08:41 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: How dare people who may be nurturing parents in their spare time not want to mix family life and work life! Travesty!


I'm a nurturing parent but I don't bring my kid into my workplace because there is dangerous equipment and toxic chemicals, and because kids aren't allowed by company policy.

I would have thought that would be common sense, but I guess I am some kind of monster.
 
2014-05-19 12:11:09 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: eggrolls: a 10 day old baby isn't a baby. It's a omnipresent parasite in a pink blanket. You can't not feed the little monster. And she shouldn't be penalized for it's presence.

Except in the event that it's presence was clearly stated as not being allowed, as it was in this situation.


Whether the event organizers are legally allowed to set that rule is debatable - the Lawyer in TFA says the law allowing a woman to breastfeed anywhere where she is legally allowed to be can be overruled by safety concerns, however by the standard the trade show is applying ("It's too dangerous - there are knives in the same building!") seems more stringent than the safety exemption would have been intended for.

Given the law does protect women in restaurants, where there are frequently both knives and open flames in close proximity to infants, the NRA may have over-stepped valid safety claims in this instance.
 
2014-05-19 12:12:21 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: The Flexecutioner: Satan's Bunny Slippers: The Flexecutioner:  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.


rule
rool/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.

Words.  They mean things.

Yep.  I love it when a 6 year old is expelled from school for making a gun gesture with his fingers.  Zero tolerance is totally legit.  Totally.

/meanings have meaning

Ah, another strawman generator.  I shall farkie you as such.

One of those has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but you go ahead, you disingenuous farker, you.


likewise.  you didnt actually put forth a genuine sentiment but a condescending ridicule, an extrapolated irrational connotation to what EVERY rule must adhere to based on one of many interpretive definitions of 'rule'.  it is so common you arent even worth a farkie, you disingenuous farker, you.
 
2014-05-19 12:12:22 PM  

Stoj: Hermione_Granger: Reading the responses here and on the site reminds me why most white people annoy me. At their worst, they have very little common sense or kindness.

Cracker-ass crackers!


I suppose that is a more concise, though somewhat crude, version of my sentiment. However, I concur.
 
2014-05-19 12:13:25 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Satan's Bunny Slippers: The Flexecutioner: Satan's Bunny Slippers: The Flexecutioner:  This is simply a rule inflexibly taken to extremes.


rule
rool/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.

Words.  They mean things.

Yep.  I love it when a 6 year old is expelled from school for making a gun gesture with his fingers.  Zero tolerance is totally legit.  Totally.

/meanings have meaning

Ah, another strawman generator.  I shall farkie you as such.

One of those has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but you go ahead, you disingenuous farker, you.

likewise.  you didnt actually put forth a genuine sentiment but a condescending ridicule, an extrapolated irrational connotation to what EVERY rule must adhere to based on one of many interpretive definitions of 'rule'.  it is so common you arent even worth a farkie, you disingenuous farker, you.



yes, yes, run along.
 
2014-05-19 12:16:22 PM  

Doc Daneeka: The My Little Pony Killer: How dare people who may be nurturing parents in their spare time not want to mix family life and work life! Travesty!

I'm a nurturing parent but I don't bring my kid into my workplace because there is dangerous equipment and toxic chemicals, and because kids aren't allowed by company policy.

I would have thought that would be common sense, but I guess I am some kind of monster.


im sure your house has a water heater, power box, outlets, cleansers, etc. but i'll go ahead and assume you know how to handle children around them.  accidents are possible everywhere. i think most of them occur in the home.  I dont think you are a monster, but clearly someone who'll take meanings to some silly conclusions.  but this is the internet, we all do that.
 
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