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(Chicago Trib)   Woman surprised to learn you can't bring a hungry kid to the National Restaurant Association trade show   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 180
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2014-05-19 07:53:20 AM

fredklein: What about...


What about "all children for safety reasons" is confusing to you?

There is no issue here. At all. No matter how hard you try to make one. All children. Because sharp knives and fire.

End of story.
 
2014-05-19 07:54:39 AM

gulogulo: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

If It`s such a big deal to be there and show off your product then DON`T MESS IT UP BY BEING AN ENTITLED BEECH.

Is it? I didn't see that in the article. Source?


My source is working in this sort of environment for quite a while. I buy our public liability insurance, employer liability etc and I know it costs a lot more if you have kids at your event.

This is my opinion but feel free to argue against it if you have anything.

The word `source` is not a counter argument...

/Just because they don`t print `here be dragons` on maps anymore doesn`t mean there are not dragons still there...
 
2014-05-19 07:55:19 AM

gfid: And some people wonder why others are against unions.


No, it's usually just safe to assume they are ignorant of the conditions that existed which forced the formation of unions in the first place.
 
2014-05-19 08:00:16 AM

dready zim: gulogulo: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

If It`s such a big deal to be there and show off your product then DON`T MESS IT UP BY BEING AN ENTITLED BEECH.

Is it? I didn't see that in the article. Source?

My source is working in this sort of environment for quite a while. I buy our public liability insurance, employer liability etc and I know it costs a lot more if you have kids at your event.

This is my opinion but feel free to argue against it if you have anything.

The word `source` is not a counter argument...

/Just because they don`t print `here be dragons` on maps anymore doesn`t mean there are not dragons still there...


No shiat it wasn't a counter argument, source was a request for your source for your expertise because I find specific claims of insider knowledge spurious.  But like, it's your opinion man, so I'll just take your word for it, I guess?
 
2014-05-19 08:01:46 AM

fredklein: dready zim: fredklein: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

What about a pregnant woman? Does the baby count as 'under 16'??

Strawman. There is no baby, a pregnant woman is one entity for insurance purposes.

So, one second it's "a single person", but a few minutes and a little pushing later it's an unacceptable insurance risk. Nice.


Yes, the law (and biology) works that way. There is only a baby after birth.

Are you getting confused by all this? Did your parents explain `the miracle of childbirth` to you?

OK, I`ll give it a go as you seem to have a gap in your education...

Your father farked your mother. At least once, your father and your mother were in bed, and your father got a hard-on, and he stuck it inside your mother and they farked. Sometimes maybe your father farked your mother in the ass, and maybe on the night that you were conceived maybe they did that, before or after, or maybe they didn't, maybe your father never farked your mother's ass, but on the night that you were conceived, one thing is certain: your father farked your mother in her coont.

Maybe your mother sucked your father's dick first, and maybe your father ate your mother's pussy. Maybe your father sucked your mother's clit while sticking a finger or two up your mother's slit until she got really wet. Maybe he got his whole hand up there. If you have older brothers or sisters, then your father probably could have gotten his whole hand up there. If not, then maybe not. But at some point, your mother was wet and loose enough to accommodate your father, and they farked.

Maybe they did it doggy-style. Maybe your mother got on top of your father. Maybe your parents liked to talk dirty to each other when they were farking.

Maybe your mother screamed, "Oh daddy. Oh daddy. fark me, daddy, fark me, fark me, fark me," and then maybe your daddy shouted, "Here it comes! Here it comes! Get ready, biatch, here I come," and then maybe your mother said, "Come in me, come in me, come in me! Oh yeah, baby, fark your mommy, fark your momma's sweet pussy, oh yeah, daddy, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah."

Or maybe they were very quiet.

But at any rate, eventually your father came and his sperm shot out of his dick and it went up your mother's coont and it fertilized her egg and that was you. That was you in your mother's womb, growing like a virus for nine months, making your mother fatter and fatter, making her sick, making her vomit, making her hate your father for doing this to her, making her hate you, this thing inside of her, like a virus, growing and sucking, like a leech attached to her, sucking her blood, drinking her like a vampire fetus, growing and sucking and growing and sucking until one day you want out, and you burst through the snotty membrane and you pop out of your mother's coont all covered with blood, and a bloody umbilical cord still attaches you to the inside of your mother somewhere 'til someone snips it off and you are severed. You are a separate being.

This is the miracle of childbirth. To some, it is proof that there is a God.

Now after you were born, maybe you sucked milk out of your mother's tit. Maybe your father wiped the shiat off your shiatty ass. I don't know. You'll have to ask them. But that is basically the way people are born. In a nutshell, that is it. Unless you were a test tube baby, which you weren't, so just face it: your father farked your mother, and the next time you're farking somebody, just try to keep that in mind.

(sung ad-libs, including the following)
Miracle
Miracle

fark me, daddy, fark me, fark me, fark me, fark me, fark me

Here I come
Here I come
Get ready, biatch, here I come

Miracle
Miracle
Miracle
Miracle
Miracle

Oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy, oh daddy

Miracle
 
2014-05-19 08:02:35 AM
I agree she shouldn't have gone in the first place, but at least she didn't make a stink. She was just disheartened, but compliant. Plus, someone had let her in, so someone else figured it'd be fine too.
To everyone saying she could pump, boobs aren't infinite stocks of milk. They will run dry long before you could get a (let's say) three day supply for an infant that eats every hour. And you're not supposed to refrigerate it for more than two days either. I don't blame her for trying to get away with it.
 
2014-05-19 08:05:15 AM

OhioUGrad: Mirandized: They asked her why she didn't leave the infant at home with her husband and their other two children. She answered that she was breast feeding and obviously he couldn't do that. Well, just as obviously, she could have stayed with the infant and other children and sent her husband to the trade show. There are consequences for all decisions, including the decision to breast feed. The trade show excluded children for safety reasons, and that included an infant in arms.

Or it's not like they haven't invented these fancy things called breast pumps that women can use to have breast milk available for when you cannot be there for or with the infant.


The baby's only 10 days old. It takes a while to pump enough to leave baby away from mom for a few days, not to mention the extreme discomfort and embarassment of full, leaky boobs after missing a couple of feedings.
 
2014-05-19 08:06:12 AM

tjassen: That NRA, won't they think of the children!


I like the NRA. They support my right to bear claws.
s3-media2.ak.yelpcdn.com
 
2014-05-19 08:15:59 AM

gulogulo: dready zim: gulogulo: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

If It`s such a big deal to be there and show off your product then DON`T MESS IT UP BY BEING AN ENTITLED BEECH.

Is it? I didn't see that in the article. Source?

My source is working in this sort of environment for quite a while. I buy our public liability insurance, employer liability etc and I know it costs a lot more if you have kids at your event.

This is my opinion but feel free to argue against it if you have anything.

The word `source` is not a counter argument...

/Just because they don`t print `here be dragons` on maps anymore doesn`t mean there are not dragons still there...

No shiat it wasn't a counter argument, source was a request for your source for your expertise because I find specific claims of insider knowledge spurious.  But like, it's your opinion man, so I'll just take your word for it, I guess?


No, don`t take my word for it, just do anything rather than the rather sad call for a citation being your *only* rebuttal. I have provided my source, it`s experience. I`ve worked in this environment. I`ve seen plenty of insurance documents (I arrange the public and employer liability insurance for our company) and I am friends with people that run events that need insurance. Things that are definite are stated firmly for example the section that defines terms the term `participant` may well defined it as `A person aged 16 or over` and (alongside other definitions) also restrict that to people with an invitation neither of which apply to the baby.

Not following the conditions of your insurance invalidates it. That`s a pretty big deal for events like this.

Now, what is your counter argument that is not simple incredulity based on your ignorance of my knowledge?

How will you show that my words are false, as you seem to claim?
 
2014-05-19 08:21:17 AM
Time Magazine put it bluntly.

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-05-19 08:23:18 AM

No Such Agency: Breastfeeding is a bodily function like defecation.  And you don't see me defecating in the food court at the mall do you?

/well except that one time, and I did my community service for that


You salivate. That's a bodily function. So get your butt in the restroom, mister! (or miss)
 
2014-05-19 08:23:40 AM

fredklein: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

What about a pregnant woman? Does the baby count as 'under 16'??



If it hasn't been born yet, then it's a fetus. Not a baby.
 
2014-05-19 08:28:34 AM

Madame Ovary: Someone buy her a breast pump


This.

Found it odd that wasn't mentioned in the story.
 
2014-05-19 08:29:12 AM
She was there to pour wine and network. Since the baby was attached to her, does this mean he was tending?  Where's is Unite Card? No scabs on the floor.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 08:29:14 AM
Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.
 
2014-05-19 08:29:45 AM

Matthew Keene: Time Magazine put it bluntly.


Not that I don't appreciate you finding a reason to post that goofy thing, but it had nothing to do with the breast feeding. Kids just aren't allowed, period, because it's a trade show for restaurateurs, so it's full of sharp objects, fire and power kitchen utensils.

/ Now I'm imagining something like the kitchen fight from Gremlins breaking out on the show floor
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-19 08:30:34 AM

fredklein: What about a pregnant woman? Does the baby count as 'under 16'??


I see you've taken the Right's redefinition of words as a given.
 
2014-05-19 08:34:01 AM

dready zim: . From a dangerous environment for over 16`s...


It's a trade show, not a construction site.  An infant is not going to be in any particular danger by going to a trade show, they're not really spraying hot oil all over the participants.  A toddler/grade schooler/preteen is potentially going to get in a lot more trouble, since they can run around, get underfoot, and touch stuff they're not supposed to touch.

That said, I have no doubt the insurance says "nobody under 16", which means nobody under 16, period.  She really should have called first.
 
2014-05-19 08:40:36 AM
The only opinions that matter a bit in this case are the Insurance company's, and the Jury's.  IF the worst-case scenario happens, can the insurance company find a way to deny coverage? If they can, they will. Then you're off to court with no insurance money to cover your liability.  Additionally, if nothing happens but the insurance company finds out you didn't follow the requirements of the policy, you're likely to have your coverage for the show cancelled.

Finally, as an administrator, if I can find the Security person who let her in with the baby, that person gets fired. I don't want someone at that level bending rules. "No one under 16" is a nice bright easily enforceable rule. Once you start allowing exceptions, complexity ensues. I don't want $10 an hour personnel making complex decisions.

Hint - if she had asked in advance, the lawyers and the insurance people could have been consulted and an advised decision could have been made. It probably would have been 'No', but it would have been a considered answer. Just showing up at the show with the baby is a "Default-to-No" situation.
 
2014-05-19 08:47:18 AM

Matthew Keene: Time Magazine put it bluntly.

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4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-19 08:48:41 AM
Funny how some peoples' kids are always the exception to the rules.
 
2014-05-19 08:48:50 AM

d23: Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.


Beyond that, how can she not realize how incredibly unprofessional "working" with a child strapped to you is?

I get that trade shows are important, and often only happen once a year for a promoter or venue- but come on, lady. If you simply can't be separated for your child for 3 days, maybe you should skip the show to stay home with your child.

I have an infant son. I *once* tried to work with him sleeping and attached to me. It did not go well. Never again.
 
2014-05-19 08:50:25 AM

fredklein: So, one second it's "a single person", but a few minutes and a little pushing later it's an unacceptable insurance risk. Nice.


Zigot, Fetus, Baby to you they are all the same?  So when a baby is born do we celebrate their first birthday or is that day 0?  If it's day 0 then it was not a baby before that day.
 
2014-05-19 08:54:19 AM

QueenMamaBee: You salivate. That's a bodily function. So get your butt in the restroom, mister! (or miss)


Well if you are openly drooling then I would hope you would.  But since it's whisked away down your throat then why would you need to?
 
2014-05-19 08:55:34 AM

Hermione_Granger: Reading the responses here and on the site reminds me why most white people annoy me. At their worst, they have very little common sense or kindness.


Cracker-ass crackers!
 
2014-05-19 08:56:45 AM
Restaurants are truly dangerous places. Why they don't require hardhats is a mystery, and that's even before they try to get you to eat food that's delivered by underpaid, disgruntled workers.
 
2014-05-19 09:00:57 AM

Matthew Keene: Time Magazine put it bluntly.

[i.huffpost.com image 570x760]


img.fark.net

Made this a while back. Seems like a good place to leave it.
 
2014-05-19 09:05:22 AM

TNel: QueenMamaBee: You salivate. That's a bodily function. So get your butt in the restroom, mister! (or miss)

Well if you are openly drooling then I would hope you would.  But since it's whisked away down your throat then why would you need to?


(that's what breastfeeding does too)
 
2014-05-19 09:05:53 AM
I said, 'Clearly he's a breast-feeding baby. I can't separate from him,'"

That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.
 
2014-05-19 09:07:47 AM
Something else to consider is the other outraged parents who stood by the rules and didn't bring their children in.  Sure her baby is only 10 days and won't be getting into issues.  But my one year old just might when I set him down because he got pretty damn heavy after carrying him for a couple of hours.

In some places, zero tolerance is appropriate.
 
2014-05-19 09:09:18 AM

jaylectricity: I said, 'Clearly he's a breast-feeding baby. I can't separate from him,'"

That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.


Actually, unless you ask her, she tells you, or you witness it.  There is no way to know that he is a breast-feeding baby.  Many 10 day old babies are already bottle babies.
 
2014-05-19 09:09:53 AM

dready zim: gulogulo: dready zim: gulogulo: dready zim: Also, this is the insurance company saying `we will only insure the over 16 at your event` which is stated pretty plain and does not have a baby exclusion clause...

Over 16? fine.
under16? sorry, no admittance.

It`s pretty simple stuff and no reason to get your panties in a twist.

If It`s such a big deal to be there and show off your product then DON`T MESS IT UP BY BEING AN ENTITLED BEECH.

Is it? I didn't see that in the article. Source?

My source is working in this sort of environment for quite a while. I buy our public liability insurance, employer liability etc and I know it costs a lot more if you have kids at your event.

This is my opinion but feel free to argue against it if you have anything.

The word `source` is not a counter argument...

/Just because they don`t print `here be dragons` on maps anymore doesn`t mean there are not dragons still there...

No shiat it wasn't a counter argument, source was a request for your source for your expertise because I find specific claims of insider knowledge spurious.  But like, it's your opinion man, so I'll just take your word for it, I guess?

No, don`t take my word for it, just do anything rather than the rather sad call for a citation being your *only* rebuttal. I have provided my source, it`s experience. I`ve worked in this environment. I`ve seen plenty of insurance documents (I arrange the public and employer liability insurance for our company) and I am friends with people that run events that need insurance. Things that are definite are stated firmly for example the section that defines terms the term `participant` may well defined it as `A person aged 16 or over` and (alongside other definitions) also restrict that to people with an invitation neither of which apply to the baby.

Not following the conditions of your insurance invalidates it. That`s a pretty big deal for events like this.

Now, what is your counter argument that is not simple incredulity based ...


You are quite defensive to being asked to back up your statements of insider knowledge. That's interesting.
 
2014-05-19 09:11:13 AM

grinding_journalist: d23: Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.

Beyond that, how can she not realize how incredibly unprofessional "working" with a child strapped to you is?

I get that trade shows are important, and often only happen once a year for a promoter or venue- but come on, lady. If you simply can't be separated for your child for 3 days, maybe you should skip the show to stay home with your child.

I have an infant son. I *once* tried to work with him sleeping and attached to me. It did not go well. Never again.


Her winery is called three daughters, named for her having three daughters, she was promoting the place as family owned and female operated.

she is charge of marketing..

the infant was a prop at that point
 
2014-05-19 09:11:36 AM

BizarreMan: jaylectricity: I said, 'Clearly he's a breast-feeding baby. I can't separate from him,'"

That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.

Actually, unless you ask her, she tells you, or you witness it.  There is no way to know that he is a breast-feeding baby.  Many 10 day old babies are already bottle babies.


I was quoting her, so yes, she told me.
 
2014-05-19 09:12:00 AM

TNel: QueenMamaBee: You salivate. That's a bodily function. So get your butt in the restroom, mister! (or miss)

Well if you are openly drooling then I would hope you would.  But since it's whisked away down your throat then why would you need to?


Well, breast milk is whisked down the kid's throat.

I don't agree with the kid being at the trade show, but that was just a crappy argument.

Also, I've seen people openly drooling at a mall food court. Of course, it's usually small children or the developmentally disabled.
 
2014-05-19 09:16:47 AM

skozlaw: fredklein: What about...

What about "all children for safety reasons" is confusing to you?

There is no issue here. At all. No matter how hard you try to make one. All children. Because sharp knives and fire.

End of story.


The clowns trying to make excuses for this stupid biatch are really ignorant. All children. ALL children. Up to and including the one that just schlorped out of your pussy 10 days ago. Rules are rules, assholes. Follow them or GTFO.
 
2014-05-19 09:17:50 AM

ko_kyi: mjohnson71: /Didn't know any better
//Was young and stupid

Your company should have told you those limitations at a Union show.

Some of those limits are reasonable, some are clearly designed to force the organizers to pay someone $265/hour to plug in the replacement monitor.


Don't exaggerate, I don't believe they make a cent over $260/hour! I've been doing machinery trade shows there for many years and believe it or not it is a lot better now than it used to be. There are some union guys there that are really good at their jobs but It's really frustrating when the labor desk sends out some dumbass that has no clue how to do his job.

/only had to bride them two times
//absolutely hate shows
 
2014-05-19 09:20:04 AM
How did this woman not know her due date when she signed up for the trade show in the first place? I think this proves how entitled she thinks she is, because she would have done the math at some point and either thought "Well, I probably won't go into labor - it's only one day of standing on my feet - pregnant" or "Surely they'll make an exception and I should probably ask, but I'm doing the marketing, raising a 2- and a 4-year old plus  I'm pregnant. HELLO!?!"
 
2014-05-19 09:20:27 AM
Man On A Mission: What part of "no children allowed" did she not understand?

This.

It's also annoying that she apparently called the press to complain about this.
 
2014-05-19 09:22:13 AM
I prefer the TRA, the Texas Restaurant Association, because "Eating out is Fun".
Am I right, ladies???
Knowwhatimean, nudge nudge, wink wink...

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-19 09:25:50 AM
Oh dear god, woman. Use a pump & get over yourself.
 
2014-05-19 09:34:22 AM
sucks she had to leave, I was really looking forward to trying some of that crotchfruit whine.
 
2014-05-19 09:34:35 AM
No one has mentioned exposing the baby to germs from thousand's of people from all over the country.  Not just typical restaurants are invited and attend. There are all types employees including those from health care facilities, strip clubs, schools, military feeders, and often prison personnel.

I work food trade shows on a regular basis, and they are no place for kids.  It is amazing how many people bring them, even though 'no children' is on every invitation and often on signage.  Chafers are mostly heated with Sterno - ie open flame at a child's face height.  Hot pans of food waiting to be toppled over by someone who drank too much the night before - lots of drinking - she was pouring wine in her booth and every major manufacturer has a "suite" they invite their customers to with.  I am waiting for some poor kid tugging on a table cloth getting covered in boiling food, it's going to happen.

And finally, at the national level, nobody is going to remember you specifically unless they knew you at home.  We often hire friends and family to cover us at these shows.  If they are clean, polite, and smell good that's about all you need in your booth passing out samples and literature.
 
2014-05-19 09:35:19 AM

No Such Agency: Breastfeeding is a bodily function


And normal bodily functions should be hidden from the public.  Makes sense, I think.

No Such Agency: like defecation. And you don't see me defecating in the food court at the mall do you?


Well, they're alike other than the fact people shiatting wherever they like would be a major societal health concern.
 
2014-05-19 09:39:54 AM

d23: Forget all the other arguments... what is your major malfunction in that you have to go to a trade show 10 days after your kid is born?  In any civilized part of the planet (and most non-civilized ones, too) that's bonding time with the kid.  Stay at home.


Don't forget that childbirth, especially if a c-section, can take quite some time to recover from. 10 days is barely any time to recover.

Taking care of a newborn is a lot of work. To try and take care of a newborn alone for several days, drive hundreds of miles stopping constantly to tend to the baby, waking numerous times during the the night to take care of the baby, and then to try and present at a trade show while still taking care of the baby? And all that on top of just recovering from childbirth? I don't see how its possible to do even half of that and still take good care of the baby. To even think to do something like this seems crazy. Either she is insane or a neglectful parent, and neither option speaks well of her as a parent. I hope the states child services investigates this woman.
 
2014-05-19 09:42:22 AM
dready zim:
Are you getting confused by all this? Did your parents explain `the miracle of childbirth` to you?

OK, I`ll give it a go as you seem to have a gap in your education...

[manic rant about sex and babies]


Dude. Whatever meds you're on, increase the dosage.
 
2014-05-19 09:48:30 AM

mutterfark: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "I'm disappointed mostly," Osborne said. "It was a really big deal they invited us to pour at the show. It was a really big deal for our little whinery."

[www.woodworkingtalk.com image 300x250]
I see what you did there.


Came here to note that. Nice work.
 
2014-05-19 09:50:18 AM

bender16v: Don't exaggerate, I don't believe they make a cent over $260/hour!


The tradesmen get paid $45-$75 an hour.  The company they work for charges $265/hour
 
2014-05-19 09:51:28 AM

Miss Burns: No one has mentioned exposing the baby to germs from thousand's of people from all over the country

jaylectricity: That's why you should be on maternity leave. The infant was TEN DAYS old.

Chuck Wagon: 't forget that childbirth, especially if a c-section, can take quite some time to recover from.

d23: that's bonding time with the kid. Stay at home.


I have to ask all of you -- How many days after birth is the mother is allowed back out in public with her infant?

This lady was wrong and stupid to bring an infant to a trade show because the trade show had a no one under 16 years old policy.  That's it.  I have no idea why that forced you all to suddenly post stupid things.
 
2014-05-19 09:53:51 AM

bender16v: /only had to bride them two times


What does this term mean?
 
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