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(KTVU Bay Area News)   A mother is arrested for standing up to her daughter's bully by: A) hiring some bigger students to beat up the bully, B) confronting the bully's parents, leading to a fight, or C) taking it into her own hands and grabbing the bully by the throat   (ktvu.com) divider line 102
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2014-05-19 12:01:27 AM
Yeap, Mom needs to take a chill pill and mellow out in her cell.
 
2014-05-19 12:53:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-19 01:22:42 AM
Ha! Go mom!
 
2014-05-19 01:23:46 AM
The little fark probably had it coming.
 
2014-05-19 01:24:20 AM
Meh, if I'm on the jury I'd vote not guilty.
 
2014-05-19 01:25:18 AM
So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.
 
2014-05-19 01:25:54 AM
Was that wrong? Should she not have done that?
 
2014-05-19 01:27:55 AM
When I was about 12 or 13 I did that to a 5-year-old who had been bullying my younger brother.  Told him he had to be nice to my brother or I was going to bully him worse.

Oddly, he and my brother actually became best friends for most of grade school after that.  So, hey, don't argue with results.
 
2014-05-19 01:36:07 AM

kling_klang_bed: So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.


No always. It's getting quite common for schools to punish those who stand up against whomever is bullying them.
 
2014-05-19 01:38:41 AM
My grandfather, a preacher, and one of the honestly nicest people you'd ever meet, grabbed one of his kid's bullies by the throat, yelled at him to leave his son alone, and promptly let go.

Kid wasn't really hurt, since my grandfather only wanted to scare him. And, the kid sure got the message. There was a time when that's the way you did things. But of course, these days, it's more likely that the adult is legitimately trying to hurt the child, so you can't just let adults scare kids willy-nilly anymore.
 
2014-05-19 01:43:23 AM
My sister grabbed a kid she was sitting behind in a movie theater by the throat and said in a loud whisper, "You want to die?"  The kid shut up.
 
2014-05-19 01:44:54 AM
"...and you look like Tom Petty!"
 
2014-05-19 01:45:29 AM
My daughter is about 80 pounds and never got into a fight.
A bully followed her around for weeks at school telling her she should "go kill herself and no one would miss her". She follows my daughter all day, right up in her face until my daughter smacks the bully in the face with her phone.
Bully gets 3 days.
My daughter gets 29 hours community service, 10 hours of anger management courses and a week detention.
Fark the bully. If it happened again, I'D punch the bully and spare my daughter a" fair " trial.
 
2014-05-19 01:48:41 AM
Oh come on.  We've all fantasized about someone beating the crap out of a bully.

//not saying it's right
//am saying snapping at the frustration is somewhat understandable
 
2014-05-19 01:50:35 AM
Tell you what.  If somebody had tried to harm my daughter, their parents would need a DNA sample to identify the mist that was left of the individual who did it ;)
 
2014-05-19 01:51:56 AM
It's amusing to see all the Farkers who think that the bullied child herself should have gone the violent route get their panties all in a wad when mom does it.
 
2014-05-19 01:52:36 AM

geekybroad: Oh come on.  We've all fantasized about someone beating the crap out of a bully.

//not saying it's right
//am saying snapping at the frustration is somewhat understandable


How is it not right?  Do you try asking the mosquito to stop biting you, or do just smack the annoying little farker?  More or less the same principle, and yes, I value their lives about equally.


/I know, i know, ITG...
 
2014-05-19 01:55:14 AM

SpinStopper: Tell you what.  If somebody had tried to harm my daughter, their parents would need a DNA sample to identify the mist that was left of the individual who did it ;)

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2014-05-19 01:56:37 AM
If anyone did that to my daughter, I wouldn't stand for any of that shiat and walk up to them and tell them to leave her alone, and if they didn't, I would engage in polite and civil discourse with their parents regarding their behavior and come to a mutual non-violent understanding.

I know people will brand me an ITG for that, but they just don't know how hardcore I'm willing to be when it comes to my hypothetical daughter.
 
2014-05-19 01:59:05 AM
The kids were selling krack at K-Mart.
 
2014-05-19 02:06:14 AM
If I'm being honest, the kid probably had it coming. The world would be a better place if more smartmouth kids were throttled by adults who weren't their own parents.
 
2014-05-19 02:06:21 AM

Weatherkiss: If anyone did that to my daughter, I wouldn't stand for any of that shiat and walk up to them and tell them to leave her alone, and if they didn't, I would engage in polite and civil discourse with their parents regarding their behavior and come to a mutual non-violent understanding.

I know people will brand me an ITG for that, but they just don't know how hardcore I'm willing to be when it comes to my hypothetical daughter.


My daughter is not hypothetical.  She's also a crack shot with a Glock 9mm ;)
 
2014-05-19 02:10:42 AM

Zombie DJ: My daughter is about 80 pounds and never got into a fight.
A bully followed her around for weeks at school telling her she should "go kill herself and no one would miss her". She follows my daughter all day, right up in her face until my daughter smacks the bully in the face with her phone.
Bully gets 3 days.
My daughter gets 29 hours community service, 10 hours of anger management courses and a week detention.
Fark the bully. If it happened again, I'D punch the bully and spare my daughter a" fair " trial.


The phrase that comes to mind is "the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf." I mean that bullies (and their adult counterparts) have absolutely mastered "under the radar" harm so any response is that which gets noticed and punished. It's not fair; many bullies are really good at what they do. Out performing the bully is often either impossible or requires becoming a monster oneself.
 
2014-05-19 02:11:44 AM

borg: Meh, if I'm on the jury I'd vote not guilty.


THIS
 
2014-05-19 02:14:14 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: It's amusing to see all the Farkers who think that the bullied child herself should have gone the violent route get their panties all in a wad when mom does it.


God your so above it all.............teach us!
 
2014-05-19 02:25:33 AM

kling_klang_bed: So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.


They're not necessarily too soft, just way too restricted in some aspects... I'm just old enough to have been told the same thing and even as the principle reprimanded me, told me he had it coming (shoved scalding hot lasagna in my eyes). I wasn't even suspended...

Of course, this was a rural Montana highschool, so there you go.
 
2014-05-19 02:27:13 AM

kling_klang_bed: So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.


I'm certainly no badass, and I abhor violence but that was what I was taught as well.

CSB time.
Growing up in The Bronx (long ago before it turned into a complete shiathole) I was bullied a few times on the way home while wearing my school uniform which was pretty expensive and I didn't want mess up because both of my parents were working in order to even afford the tuition.

I was 8, and some chubby (probably 11 or 12) bastard, sucker punched me from behind.
I went down and the guy proceeded to wail on me until I wriggled away, and ran like hell.
Yeah, I ran home and cried, but it wasn't long before the tears turned into rage.

I changed my clothes, grabbed my bat, and (still semi-crying) went looking for him.

It was a proud moment.
I too came from behind, hit him in the stomach just hard enough to knock the wind out of him, and put him on the ground, at which point I started slamming the bat on the sidewalk all around his head (loud) while screaming a steady string of obscenities that would make a biker blush.
To say he was terrified is an understatement, and yes, I was still crying.

I became known as 'that crazy kid', and nobody messed with me, or even my older brothers (who ratted me out at supper) pretty much ever again.
My punishment was to go to confession, and tell God what I have done.
 
2014-05-19 02:27:21 AM
Didn't we just have some other subtard saying a set of parents were stupid for getting a retraining order against their child's bully when the school refused to act?
 
2014-05-19 02:28:47 AM
When I was in HS, I put the fear of god into my sister's bully. Picked him up and threw him into a bank of lockers and threatened him. There was a Teacher standing a few feet away. He smiled at me, turned his back and walked away. My sis didn't have any problems again.
 
2014-05-19 02:30:12 AM

drumhellar: My grandfather, a preacher, and one of the honestly nicest people you'd ever meet, grabbed one of his kid's bullies by the throat, yelled at him to leave his son alone, and promptly let go.

Kid wasn't really hurt, since my grandfather only wanted to scare him. And, the kid sure got the message. There was a time when that's the way you did things. But of course, these days, it's more likely that the adult is legitimately trying to hurt the child, so you can't just let adults scare kids willy-nilly anymore.


I wonder if it's more likely that the adult is "legitimately trying to hurt the child" because he or she was never able to calibrate the appropriate level of physical response as a child? When you've never been "allowed" to defend yourself physically or spar with (bully?) other kids, you never learn how much is too much. The result, maybe, is overreaction later in life.

When as a kid/teen you've been in a fight or struggle with a peer, you know what the stakes are. You know how rotten the feeling can be, or at least that punching a bully in the nose (or being punched in the nose) will probably stop the attack. Now kids are not actively encouraged not to defend themselves physically but to take the matter to an adult. The cynic in me is reminded of the 80s when "don't resist, it's better to be a rape victim than a murder victim" was what women and girls were taught. On paper it's true. But still.... I'm just not a fan of the passive approach.
 
2014-05-19 02:37:03 AM
i was the youngest of our brood; but some friends of my family had a son that was like 5 years younger than me and was kinda like a little brother.

some little shiat in his class would push him around and bully him ... till i caught him doing it one day and proceeded to knock the shiat out of him. as happens in small towns, said little shiat's mom called my mom to complain. when mom confronted me about i just told her "he was bullying josh and i stood up for him."

"oh ... well, good."

/csb
 
2014-05-19 02:44:55 AM

BullBearMS: Didn't we just have some other subtard saying a set of parents were stupid for getting a retraining order against their child's bully when the school refused to act?


Yes, but that was different. We did not know that choking the bully was a viable option.
 
2014-05-19 02:53:29 AM

Harry_Seldon: BullBearMS: Didn't we just have some other subtard saying a set of parents were stupid for getting a retraining order against their child's bully when the school refused to act?

Yes, but that was different. We did not know that choking the bully was a viable option.


Apparently, the cops frown on that one.

I guess it's down to hit men and sharks with lasers on their heads.
 
2014-05-19 02:57:25 AM
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2014-05-19 03:00:11 AM

kling_klang_bed: So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.


Another good old days story written by thd victors.

I hate to break it to you and your delusions, but right doesn't make might. Many bullies win fights and don't make peace or turn coward the moment the bullied take a swing at them.

Next you'll tell us about how back in the day thd goid armies beat the bad ones and every bad leader was dealt with by a robin hood prior to the glorious return of a king richard.
 
2014-05-19 03:13:09 AM

BullBearMS: Harry_Seldon: BullBearMS: Didn't we just have some other subtard saying a set of parents were stupid for getting a retraining order against their child's bully when the school refused to act?

Yes, but that was different. We did not know that choking the bully was a viable option.

Apparently, the cops frown on that one.

I guess it's down to hit men and sharks with lasers on their heads.


Cops don't want parents moving in on their turf.  Only police officers are allowed to beat down those weaker than them for no valid reason.

Anyway, as I said in the last thread, if there's really bullying going on, they should file charges and/or take the bully's family to court.  Go to the school administrators first, of course.  That way you can sue them as well when they don't do shiat.  Not seeing any evidence of actually bullying presented in the article.  Plenty of evidence of crazy mom, though.

Zombie DJ: My daughter is about 80 pounds and never got into a fight.
A bully followed her around for weeks at school telling her she should "go kill herself and no one would miss her". She follows my daughter all day, right up in her face until my daughter smacks the bully in the face with her phone.
Bully gets 3 days.
My daughter gets 29 hours community service, 10 hours of anger management courses and a week detention.
Fark the bully. If it happened again, I'D punch the bully and spare my daughter a" fair " trial.


Just for kicks, I recommend starting facebook campaigns (and I don't even like facebook).  Don't start one for your kid, that's just gonna get them beat up more.  Start if for the principal.  You can start with a picture of the principal, then photoshop a Hitler-stache onto the picture, with the caption "you know who else had a zero tolerance policy?"  Posting flyers at bus stops would be a nice touch.  Not on the school grounds...don't want to get in trouble.
 
2014-05-19 03:16:26 AM
I had one bully for a few years in grade school, and I wouldn't vote to convict this woman if I was on a jury.

But karma's a biatch, so he died in his early 20's because his babby momma stabbed him during a fight.  She didn't even get a prison sentence out of it.  So fark you Matt!  I win!

/seriously, that kid made my life hell for three years.  He was a sociopath in training.
 
2014-05-19 03:20:50 AM

Smackledorfer: kling_klang_bed: So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.

Another good old days story written by thd victors.

I hate to break it to you and your delusions, but right doesn't make might. Many bullies win fights and don't make peace or turn coward the moment the bullied take a swing at them.

Next you'll tell us about how back in the day thd goid armies beat the bad ones and every bad leader was dealt with by a robin hood prior to the glorious return of a king richard.


Are you really drunk, or just stupid? I'm guessing both.
The phrase is 'might doesn't make right', not the other way around.

The best way of dealing with a threat, is to impose an even larger threat, be it real or not.

Now give me your lunch money!
I accept PayPal.
 
2014-05-19 03:29:06 AM
That reminds me, I need to send another thank you card to my vasectomy doctor.

/ To the bullies of the world you're welcome
// If I were a parent of a bullied kid I would be your worst nightmare
/// I farking hate bullies
 
2014-05-19 03:50:01 AM

TommyymmoT: Now give me your lunch money!
I accept PayPal.


Subway takes PayPal, now ?
 
2014-05-19 04:11:10 AM
Is bullying really turning into this national epidemic or do we overreact these days? It went on when I was a kid and that was MANY years ago. It was also typically resolved very quickly by an elder sibling or by a parent talking to a bully's parent. Seems like either kids are getting softer or parents aren't paying much attention. Meh. Maybe it's all the pills.
 
2014-05-19 04:23:15 AM
Always send in the bigger cousins.
/Our bullies stopped dead in their tracks after that
 
2014-05-19 04:26:00 AM

padraig: TommyymmoT: Now give me your lunch money!
I accept PayPal.

Subway takes PayPal, now ?


Hey, you're the trainee there, why don't you tell me?
It's workers like you that make raising the minimum wage hard to justify.
 
2014-05-19 04:30:42 AM

phenn: Is bullying really turning into this national epidemic or do we overreact these days? It went on when I was a kid and that was MANY years ago. It was also typically resolved very quickly by an elder sibling or by a parent talking to a bully's parent. Seems like either kids are getting softer or parents aren't paying much attention. Meh. Maybe it's all the pills.


The Mom choking the bully seems to be a viable solution. Sets a good example for the other bullies. Biatch gonna choke you out.
 
2014-05-19 05:00:23 AM

phenn: Is bullying really turning into this national epidemic or do we overreact these days? It went on when I was a kid and that was MANY years ago. It was also typically resolved very quickly by an elder sibling or by a parent talking to a bully's parent. Seems like either kids are getting softer or parents aren't paying much attention. Meh. Maybe it's all the pills.


It's been a "national" epidemic for hundreds of years. The difference now is that we do overreact and end up focusing more on punishing those who try to stand up for themselves than punishing actual misbehavior. Or those who stand up for someone else, as may be the case. With hard (or any) punishment for just behavior comes the knowledge that it's better personally to do the wrong thing than the right. And so we're teaching people to be psychopaths. I grew up understanding that there was always someone bigger and meaner and kept that in mind before I started anything. In my day (not too long ago) the kid would have gotten himself punched in the face by somebody-or-other, and either his parents or the cops would have laughed at him for it. Now, he'll grow up and become a cop.
 
2014-05-19 05:14:50 AM

Mr. Ekshun: It's been a "national" epidemic for hundreds of years.


Bullying is not cool. I can not think of a more miserable experience in my life than some of the bullying in k-12. After the fact, I realize, it was bad home life and upbringing for the bullies.
 
2014-05-19 05:15:29 AM

Lsherm: But karma's a biatch, so he died in his early 20's because his babby momma stabbed him during a fight. She didn't even get a prison sentence out of it. So fark you Matt! I win!


And yet the bastard reproduced....
 
2014-05-19 05:48:22 AM

Bathia_Mapes: kling_klang_bed: So much for the good old days of "if they hit or bully you, knock the shiat out of them" (what I was told as a kid). Kids are way too soft nowadays.

No always. It's getting quite common for schools to punish those who stand up against whomever is bullying them.


The school just wants to be able to pretend that bullying doesn't happen there. Their main priority is to be  seen to not have a bullying problem.

When a victim retaliates in a way that can not be ignored, the victim has given the school a problem. With the victim forcing the issue out into the open, the school can no longer pretend the problem doesn't exist. Hence the school's problem is with the victim not the bully.

Their response to this is to punish the victim who fights back, to deter any future victims from forcing the school to take its collective head out of the sand.
 
2014-05-19 05:49:27 AM
As a kid, I was bullied pretty badly.  When I followed the classic advice and 'stood up to the bully', it resulted in the bully just bringing two of his buddies with him every time they attacked me..


Many years later, my gf's daughter was being bullied.  After I overheard an incident happen, I took the bully kid aside and whispered in his ear (to eliminate potential witnesses)  "If you don't leave her alone, they'll be finding f*cking pieces of you for MONTHS!"

Of course, I'd never have followed through with that, but I'm big and good at looking insane, so I can pull that shiat off, especially on a gullible kid....

He left her alone after that.
 
2014-05-19 05:53:12 AM
All the tactics are fine except for the ones you do in front of witnesses.

I find the `grabbing them by the throat until they turn purple and actually consider the possibility that they may die` tactic to be one that works best in an alley or other places they are not likely to get redress.

Dont use your hand though, it leaves a good handprint on the neck (too obvious). Use a rope or belt and make sure the loose end goes to the front so the marks are ones that mean they could have pulled it themselves, then you can say they are doing it to themselves as a retaliation to the bullying accusations. in the same way if you plan to hit them, hit their front while stood behind them so the marks look self inflicted...

All the time say "Stop hitting yourself" or whatever they say to your kid. Ideally play them the recording you got your kid to do before you decided to do this...

I just read TFA after writing that. The woman is a rookie...

"Members of the school's staff told deputies that Garcia-Bratcher arrived on the school grounds without checking in at the front desk and had her son point out an 11-year-old student who the woman believed had bullied her daughter there.She confronted the child and grabbed the victim by the throat in front on many school children, including her son, and allegedly threatened the student about the bullying, the deputies said.The school staff took photos of red marks on the student's neck that deputies decided were consistent with an adult taking hold of the child's neck."

All the worst mistakes. witnesses, hand prints, on school grounds etc. Also article is unchecked for grammar.
 
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