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2014-05-18 07:49:54 PM  
Half life will be measured in minutes.
 
2014-05-18 07:54:03 PM  
Politics.
 
2014-05-18 08:05:53 PM  
Well, well.  Here we are, watching politicians in DC caught between stances.  Do they continue to suck Israel's cock, or do they take it out of their mouth long enough to say that they don't agree with a Jewish organization, because "tolerance for all"?  My guess is they stay out of it and hope to hell it goes away before Jewish campaign contributors start holding them accountable for foreign aid votes.
 
2014-05-18 08:33:27 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-18 08:44:34 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Well, well.  Here we are, watching politicians in DC caught between stances.  Do they continue to suck Israel's cock, or do they take it out of their mouth long enough to say that they don't agree with a Jewish organization, because "tolerance for all"?  My guess is they stay out of it and hope to hell it goes away before Jewish campaign contributors start holding them accountable for foreign aid votes.


They'll conveniently never notice the busses.  They get driven around in big black Suburbans after all.
 
2014-05-18 08:55:42 PM  
s29.postimg.org
 
2014-05-18 08:59:09 PM  
Keeping people impoverished, uneducated and starving is a great way to stop racism and terrorism

F*cking idiots
 
2014-05-18 09:11:28 PM  
You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.
 
2014-05-18 09:17:14 PM  

nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.


From another article, so people see the comparison:

The "Jew-hating" ad in question, paid for by the Illinois-based group American Muslims for Palestine, appeared on 20 Metro buses from mid-March to mid-April. Here it is. ...

www.washingtonpost.com

IMHO, they're  both being dickish.
 
2014-05-18 09:20:15 PM  
Only partially tangential to anything in the article or thread

d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2014-05-18 09:22:57 PM  
Wait.

Isn't a lot of that "aid" actually more like protection money, as in "We'll give you money, don't try and destroy Israel"?

Or was that just with Egypt?
 
2014-05-18 09:23:27 PM  
DRTFA.  Just off the headline though, I would think that many Jewish people just might be a tad bit leery of Hitlers public transportation.
 
2014-05-18 09:24:00 PM  

meat0918: Wait.

Isn't a lot of that "aid" actually more like protection money, as in "We'll give you money, don't try and destroy Israel"?

Or was that just with Egypt?


Hmm.  Let's stop paying and find out.
 
2014-05-18 09:24:16 PM  
 
2014-05-18 09:24:35 PM  
This will end well.  Hell, even being told the point behind it I still got confused.
 
2014-05-18 09:26:25 PM  
Non-Gawker link: Link.
 
2014-05-18 09:27:22 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.

From another article, so people see the comparison:

The "Jew-hating" ad in question, paid for by the Illinois-based group American Muslims for Palestine, appeared on 20 Metro buses from mid-March to mid-April. Here it is. ...



IMHO, they're  both being dickish.


Gotta agree.
 
2014-05-18 09:28:01 PM  

bearded clamorer:


I laughed way too hard at this.
 
2014-05-18 09:28:03 PM  
The Koran does in fact feature anti-semitism. The ad is not dishonest
 
2014-05-18 09:28:26 PM  
 
2014-05-18 09:30:01 PM  
This, when congress is going into summer term when they're mostly home.
 
2014-05-18 09:30:26 PM  
Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian (at least as much of a Christian as the hateful assholes on the American RIght), Gellar may want to rethink the whole 'Judging a whole religion based on its worst members' thing.
 
2014-05-18 09:32:39 PM  
Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?
 
2014-05-18 09:33:09 PM  

LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian (at least as much of a Christian as the hateful assholes on the American RIght), Gellar may want to rethink the whole 'Judging a whole religion based on its worst members' thing.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_views
 
2014-05-18 09:33:40 PM  
Sigh. This is why we cant have nice things.
 
2014-05-18 09:34:24 PM  
Invisible friends
Now, with money
 
2014-05-18 09:35:07 PM  
You know who ELSE liked Hitler?
 
2014-05-18 09:36:44 PM  
We need someone neutral in this whole affair. Someone who is half a great man, half a monster. This should equal out and create the perfect neutral leader.

I propose we do not rest until we elect Abradolf Lincler as president.
 
2014-05-18 09:36:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.

From another article, so people see the comparison:

The "Jew-hating" ad in question, paid for by the Illinois-based group American Muslims for Palestine, appeared on 20 Metro buses from mid-March to mid-April. Here it is. ...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x176]

IMHO, they're  both being dickish.


That's a far cry from playing the Hitler card.

img.fark.net

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

 
2014-05-18 09:37:10 PM  
To be fair, every Middle Eastern leader during WWII was either a lackey of the Brits or an ally of Hitler. That was how the proxy battles in the Middle East set themselves up, and the same factions still exist today.

And the Grand Mufti was about the most inconsequential person of them all.
 
2014-05-18 09:37:40 PM  

SpdrJay: You know who ELSE liked Hitler?


ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2014-05-18 09:38:40 PM  

LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian


Hitler hated Christianity.  He (correctly) considered it a branch of Judaism.
 
2014-05-18 09:38:55 PM  
What if you're only one of those things?
 
2014-05-18 09:39:56 PM  
HindiDiscoMonster: I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?

Because the US would rather choose who gets peace-kept.
 
2014-05-18 09:41:53 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What if you're only one of those things?


Move to DC?
 
2014-05-18 09:41:59 PM  
As a Rabbi, I have to say, [Pamela Geller is a c*nt.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/search/node/pamela%20geller%20ty pe:blog )
 
2014-05-18 09:42:24 PM  
The bulk of the aid goes to Eygpt in order to buy their leaders [military] off from aligning against Israel as the vast majority of their people would like. If Geller gets her way she will be directly impacting her beloved country in a negative way. And by beloved country I don't mean the USA.
 
2014-05-18 09:43:42 PM  

meat0918: Wait.

Isn't a lot of that "aid" actually more like protection money, as in "We'll give you money, don't try and destroy Israel"?

Or was that just with Egypt?


Exxept backwards. We pay Israel about 2 billion a year in military aid so they don't destroy Egypt, Syria...everyone else nearby... possibly the moon in case Hitler is still there.
 
2014-05-18 09:44:17 PM  
Religion.

The stuff idiots are made of.
 
2014-05-18 09:45:35 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?


But if you question Israel you hate the Jooooooooooos!
 
2014-05-18 09:46:17 PM  
WTF?  That goes beyond Godwin and is mass trolling.   My mom would have a heart attack if she saw something like that.
 
2014-05-18 09:46:34 PM  

nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.


I'm waiting on the Stop-ALLl-Foreign-Aid folks to get caught up on this.

/I'll be popping some corn in the meantime.
 
2014-05-18 09:47:35 PM  

Enemabag Jones: But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?


Honestly? Because Jews in America have been convinced (without much evidence to the contrary) that Europe has pretty much washed their hands of the region, and if the Arab states around Israel decided to try and steamroll over Israel (the whole "push them into the sea" rhetoric) the Europeans would shake their heads sadly and say "that's too bad" while all the while sighing in relief that that mess is over with. This terrifies Jews the world over, since the memory of what it was like in the world without a safe haven is still way too fresh. American Jews have therefore made it well known that keeping Israel a free, Jewish state is priority number one for their vote and their money, and America is the only country where the Jewish community has the clout for that threat to work.
 
2014-05-18 09:48:26 PM  
"My intent is to leapfrog over a media that is not even-handed, that is advancing the propaganda against the Jewish state," says Pamela.

Wait... I thought the media was controlled by the Jews? So confused...
 
2014-05-18 09:51:06 PM  
Geller claims she's gotten hundreds of emails in support of the ads, but a few city bus riders are not happy, saying it's "outrageous" and "racist."

Hating someone for their religion is racist?


nmrsnr: Enemabag Jones: But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

Honestly? Because Jews in America have been convinced (without much evidence to the contrary) that Europe has pretty much washed their hands of the region, and if the Arab states around Israel decided to try and steamroll over Israel (the whole "push them into the sea" rhetoric) the Europeans would shake their heads sadly and say "that's too bad" while all the while sighing in relief that that mess is over with. This terrifies Jews the world over, since the memory of what it was like in the world without a safe haven is still way too fresh. American Jews have therefore made it well known that keeping Israel a free, Jewish state is priority number one for their vote and their money, and America is the only country where the Jewish community has the clout for that threat to work.


Also the Israelis handle a lot of overseas wetwork for the US. Provides a bit of nifty plausible deniability for us.
 
2014-05-18 09:51:21 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian

Hitler hated Christianity.  He (correctly) considered it a branch of Judaism.


It's a bit more convoluted than that.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian
 
2014-05-18 09:53:46 PM  
Washington will always be the State for me.
 
2014-05-18 09:55:30 PM  
I am more of a saddam man myself.
 
2014-05-18 09:55:40 PM  
Couldn't we just stop giving military aid to everyone without invoking racist bullshiat or bigotry?
 
2014-05-18 09:57:12 PM  

Fart_Machine: ThrobblefootSpectre: LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian

Hitler hated Christianity.  He (correctly) considered it a branch of Judaism.

It's a bit more convoluted than that.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian


Not really. He was raised Catholic but never attended mass after leaving his mother's house. He hated the Church but recognized its huge influence on German society. He subverted that. The OSS believed he was planning on eliminating all Christian churches in Germany after the war. Speer said he hated the church in private but used it to his own ends in public.
 
2014-05-18 09:59:15 PM  
Let's cut all that foreign aid, what's the worst thing that could happen?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-18 09:59:45 PM  

fusillade762: "My intent is to leapfrog over a media that is not even-handed, that is advancing the propaganda against the Jewish state," says Pamela.
Wait... I thought the media was controlled by the Jews? So confused...


You're not confused. We DO control the media. But Pamela Geller is a hateful, warmongering, psychotic c*nt.
 
2014-05-18 10:01:17 PM  
So, lemme get this right...

People so terrible even the nazis couldn't stand them are now now putting ads on public transportation in Washington DC?

/just keepin it in perspective
//hush, I was overdue
 
2014-05-18 10:01:20 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?


Because the USSR, the USA, and the PRC cut off the U.N.'s balls  during the Korean unpleasantness.
 
2014-05-18 10:02:15 PM  
I live in the District, and one of these goes by my house several times a day. I saw one two nights ago on the walk home and thought 'WTF...that  can't be a good idea...'
 
2014-05-18 10:02:30 PM  

Fart_Machine: It's a bit more convoluted than that.


That wasn't very convoluted.  He publicly paid lip service for political gains, while stating to his confidants a goal of destroying christianity in Europe.  Okay.

Here's what his homey Goebbels had to say in his private writings..

On 8 April 1941, Goebbels wrote that Hitler 'hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity." He wrote on 29 December 1939, that Hitler viewed Christianity as a "symptom of decay" and added his own opinion: "Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed".
Clergy, nuns and lay leaders were targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality". Goebbels led the Nazi persecution of the clergy. In 1933, the Nazis established a Reich Chamber of Authorship and Reich Press Chamber under the Reich Cultural Chamber of the Ministry for Propaganda. Dissident writers were terrorised. The flourishing Christian press of Germany faced censorship and closure. Finally in March 1941, Goebbels banned all Church press, on the pretext of a "paper shortage".
 
2014-05-18 10:02:43 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?


Because the bible clearly says the Jewish State had to exist before Jews can build the Third Temple which, upon completion of said temple, Jesus will swoop down from the sky, rapture only a very select few American evangellies and fundies to heaven where they'll prance with rainbow-pooping unicorns forever, then God will burn alive each and every man, woman and child on earth of the Jewish tribe via the firery pits of hell for refusing to believe Jesus was magic, followed by burning alive in hell of the other 6,999,999,001 men, women and babies on earth who didn't know or don't believe Jesus was magic, because God loves you and why are you so blind to not see that!!!
 
2014-05-18 10:05:28 PM  
"...a picture of Hitler talking to an anti-Jewish Islamic leader during World War II."

How about a picture of Hitler negotiating the purchase of IBM computers to keep a database of Auschwitz prisoners?
 
2014-05-18 10:06:37 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Fart_Machine: It's a bit more convoluted than that.

That wasn't very convoluted.  He publicly paid lip service for political gains, while stating to his confidants a goal of destroying christianity in Europe.  Okay.

Here's what his homey Goebbels had to say in his private writings..

On 8 April 1941, Goebbels wrote that Hitler 'hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity." He wrote on 29 December 1939, that Hitler viewed Christianity as a "symptom of decay" and added his own opinion: "Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed".
Clergy, nuns and lay leaders were targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality". Goebbels led the Nazi persecution of the clergy. In 1933, the Nazis established a Reich Chamber of Authorship and Reich Press Chamber under the Reich Cultural Chamber of the Ministry for Propaganda. Dissident writers were terrorised. The flourishing Christian press of Germany faced censorship and closure. Finally in March 1941, Goebbels banned all Church press, on the pretext of a "paper shortage".


And he targeted the Catholic priests in Poland during the invasion, far before that.
 
2014-05-18 10:08:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Well, well.  Here we are, watching politicians in DC caught between stances.  Do they continue to suck Israel's cock, or do they take it out of their mouth long enough to say that they don't agree with a Jewish organization, because "tolerance for all"?  My guess is they stay out of it and hope to hell it goes away before Jewish campaign contributors start holding them accountable for foreign aid votes.

2wolves: Half life will be measured in minutes.


notsureifthisiswhatyoumeant.jpg

...but:

1) Courts have ruled repeatedly that Metro can't censor ads based on content. That included when Congress banned them from posting pro-pot ads. See
http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/board_of_directors/board_docs/03081 2_ 4CMetrosAdvertising.pdf

2) DC's not a state, and doesn't have a voting representative in Congress.

3) If this doesn't get a lot of national coverage, people outside DC won't even know about it.

4) I like the idea of people sucking Jewish c*ck -- if it's American. Unleashing my kosher sausage right now. Ladies?

/Gents? Anyone?
//You antisemites!
 
2014-05-18 10:09:34 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 10:10:22 PM  

wambu: nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.

I'm waiting on the Stop-ALLl-Foreign-Aid folks to get caught up on this.

/I'll be popping some corn in the meantime.


Well, I'm on the "Stop giving shiat away" side. Just a thousand ways to screw up the local economy by disrupting economic mercantilism. Free grain and milk? What will they do next year when we don't send any and the local farmers went broke because of the free food. Much better to go over and pay for construction that pays wages with which locals can buy food and stimulate the economy.

We've even seen the supply of free skag disrupt the heroin trade in parts of Europe. Addicts can get a free supply if they ask for it, thus the dealer can't afford to recruit new users.
 
2014-05-18 10:11:05 PM  
I was just actually watching Downfall on Netflix this morning. It was actually kind of entertaining because of the Schadenfreude of seeing Hitler realizing his dreams had died and all that was left for him and his inner circle was despair and suicide. It was oddly heartwarming to see so many evil people have a bad day, like 2 and a half hours of real-life Joffreys dying.
 
2014-05-18 10:11:45 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?


There's an argument that food aid actually continues the cycle of poverty.  How the fark are farmers supposed to make a living when people can just get food for free?

Same goes for shipping old clothes off to 3rd world countries.

Something about teaching a man to fish.,,,
 
2014-05-18 10:12:06 PM  

rev. dave: WTF?  That goes beyond Godwin and is mass trolling.   My mom would have a heart attack if she saw something like that.


cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2014-05-18 10:13:23 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The Koran does in fact feature anti-semitism. The ad is not dishonest


Well, there's anti-Semitism in lots of places. "Let his blood be on us and our children! "
 
2014-05-18 10:15:23 PM  

nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.


But for the fact that Saudi Arabia does not receive U.S. foreign aid, you have made a great point.  Time for mom to send down another bowl of Cheetos?
 
2014-05-18 10:16:42 PM  
No outside drinks allowed on the bus so before you step in, make sure you have eliminated all the juice.
 
2014-05-18 10:20:47 PM  

Mad_Radhu:  It was oddly heartwarming to see so many evil people have a bad day


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 10:20:57 PM  
I bet if Islamic countries post an ad asking to remove aid from Israel it would be an OUTRAGE.

Jewish Israelis are all for peace and equality for ... well themselves.
 
2014-05-18 10:27:03 PM  

Old Man Winter: meat0918: Wait.

Isn't a lot of that "aid" actually more like protection money, as in "We'll give you money, don't try and destroy Israel"?

Or was that just with Egypt?

Exxept backwards. We pay Israel about 2 billion a year in military aid so they don't destroy Egypt, Syria...everyone else nearby... possibly the moon in case Hitler is still there.


Right and partly right.

1) Buy off dictators in the Middle East (see Saudi Arabia, Egypt) and support them because a democracy would mean the election of militants who hate Israel *and* us.

2) Sell them American weapons. (Profit!)

3) Give Israel more weapons so they still have superiority and to appease their knee-jerk American supporters. (Speaking as a non-Zionist Jew here.)

4) Sell the Arabs more weapons to feel safer re: Israel. (Profit!)

Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
2014-05-18 10:27:11 PM  

redmid17: LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian (at least as much of a Christian as the hateful assholes on the American RIght), Gellar may want to rethink the whole 'Judging a whole religion based on its worst members' thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_views


Yep. Although if he was practicing it wouldn't matter. Catholics aren't *really* Christian anyway.

/there are many things I don't get about evangelicals
 
2014-05-18 10:27:32 PM  

gerbilpox: DC's not a state, and doesn't have a voting representative in Congress.


Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is.  Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.
 
2014-05-18 10:28:11 PM  

CowardlyLion: Couldn't we just stop giving military aid to everyone without invoking racist bullshiat or bigotry?


I needed a laugh right now, thanks!
 
2014-05-18 10:30:02 PM  

Old Man Winter: possibly the moon in case Hitler is still there.


Moon Hitler and Insanity Prawn-Boy!
 
2014-05-18 10:34:12 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The Koran does in fact feature anti-semitism. The ad is not dishonest


i.imgur.com ===

If you can find anything in the Quran remotely comparable to 'Jews committed DEICIDE by killing God and for that they are forever cursed' then please post it.

===

i.imgur.com
====

Or alternately if you can find any Quranic passage that calls "the Jews" the "Children of the Devil" I would be interested in seeing that.
 
2014-05-18 10:35:05 PM  

Somacandra: If you can find anything in the Quran remotely comparable to 'Jews committed DEICIDE by killing God and for that they are forever cursed' then please post it.


And I suppose now we have to cut off all aid to Christian countries too?
 
2014-05-18 10:37:06 PM  
I'm in complete agreement with both sides on this issue.
 
2014-05-18 10:42:23 PM  
Cut off the aid. Das Boot straps and all that.
 
2014-05-18 10:44:32 PM  

gfid: HindiDiscoMonster: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?

There's an argument that food aid actually continues the cycle of poverty.  How the fark are farmers supposed to make a living when people can just get food for free?

Same goes for shipping old clothes off to 3rd world countries.

Something about teaching a man to fish.,,,


i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-18 10:44:32 PM  

gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.


How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.
 
2014-05-18 10:44:43 PM  

Prey4reign: nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.

But for the fact that Saudi Arabia does not receive U.S. foreign aid, you have made a great point.  Time for mom to send down another bowl of Cheetos?


Hmm...I stand corrected on my own Saudi Arabia mention. Replace with Jordan and Pakistan

However:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8000747/U S- secures-record-60-billion-arms-sale-to-Saudi-Arabia.html

Side note: arms sale to Sunni nations like the Saudis strengthens them against their rival, shiate Iran.
 
2014-05-18 10:48:48 PM  

gerbilpox: Side note: arms sale to Sunni nations like the Saudis strengthens them against their rival, shiate Iran.


Good job Fark filter. It even made the "S" lower case. Alright, it's the non-Sunni branch of Islam, OK?
 
2014-05-18 10:48:57 PM  

whistleridge: I live in the District, and one of these goes by my house several times a day. I saw one two nights ago on the walk home and thought 'WTF...that  can't be a good idea...'


Being born and raised in SE Michigan (and I am effing amazed MERS hasn't hit here yet) this crap just depresses the hell out of me. Because even though I know the goddamn apparent point they're trying to make in a dumbass way, Arab Americans deal with enough crap as is.

Sigh, and here I am quoting a Gawker comment:

(Quote)

The Muslim-funded ad in reference wasn't "encouraging the blocking of US aid to Israel.", it was encouraging the blocking of US aid to Israel so long as its occupying Palestinian land. There's a HUGE difference between the two, and its one that cuts the heart of a lot of misunderstanding about criticism of Israel.

Criticizing the 40 year Israeli military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza =/= criticism of Israel as such.

Dayna, you really ought to update to clarify. This conflation, while seemingly small, really does go a long way to distorting reality.

(Quote)
 
2014-05-18 10:49:55 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?


Because, despite the Constitutional requirement that dictates we separate matters of religion and state, we do not do so.

And because the United States is, according to every poll taken on the matter, a nation whose inhabitants are somewhere between 68 and 78% Christian (whatever flavor/sect they happen to fall under)--and the leaders of those sects are bound and determined to maintain political clout by demanding their parishioners vote religious issues, not political/state issues. (And the Bible is clear that supporting Israel is not questionable--despite the fact that Israel is, at this time, a secular nation that keeps religious law largely separate from politics [there is a movement within Israeli government to change to a Torah-based government, but that is not currently the case] or they would not have given up control of the Temple Mount to Islam.)

I'm a Christian, but I do not conflate my politics with my faith when it's time to vote. Most of those who call themselves Christian do not make the distinction and that is why no politician in the US who ever wants to be elected would give the idea of stopping aid to Israel a moment's consideration, regardless of the practicality of the idea.
 
2014-05-18 10:50:47 PM  

wambu: gfid: HindiDiscoMonster: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?

There's an argument that food aid actually continues the cycle of poverty.  How the fark are farmers supposed to make a living when people can just get food for free?

Same goes for shipping old clothes off to 3rd world countries.

Something about teaching a man to fish.,,,


Oh screw you.

When did "there but for the Grace of God go I" and the Beatitudes become so damn unfashionable.
 
2014-05-18 10:52:02 PM  

gerbilpox: Good job Fark filter. It even made the "S" lower case. Alright, it's the non-Sunni branch of Islam, OK?


can you do it with the apostrophe? Let's find out: shi'ite
 
2014-05-18 10:52:03 PM  

gerbilpox: gerbilpox: Side note: arms sale to Sunni nations like the Saudis strengthens them against their rival, shiate Iran.

Good job Fark filter. It even made the "S" lower case. Alright, it's the non-Sunni branch of Islam, OK?


Facepalm.
 
2014-05-18 10:57:46 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.

From another article, so people see the comparison:

The "Jew-hating" ad in question, paid for by the Illinois-based group American Muslims for Palestine, appeared on 20 Metro buses from mid-March to mid-April. Here it is. ...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x176]

IMHO, they're  both being dickish.


I'm not seeing what's wrong with that ad.  They are running an occupation, and we are giving them tons of money and support, despite the fact they don't even begin to need it.
 
2014-05-18 10:58:17 PM  
I did national socialist that coming.
 
2014-05-18 10:58:34 PM  
I like what the featured comment said:

Your move, Florida.
 
2014-05-18 10:59:12 PM  

Fart_Machine: ThrobblefootSpectre: LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian

Hitler hated Christianity.  He (correctly) considered it a branch of Judaism.

It's a bit more convoluted than that.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian


Yeah, that makes sense. He invoked Christianity as a means to win over, and then control, Christians.

Not unlike many other Christian leaders.
 
2014-05-18 10:59:28 PM  
While the ad's appropriateness for 2014 is questionable, its historic truth of 75 years ago is not. The concentration camps in Croatia run by the Muslims with Hitler's blessing actually grossed out even the Nazis who checked it out. The Nazis were into efficient impersonal mass murder. The Muslim run Croatian camps featured individual torture including that of kids.
 
2014-05-18 11:00:01 PM  

wambu: gfid: HindiDiscoMonster: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?

There's an argument that food aid actually continues the cycle of poverty.  How the fark are farmers supposed to make a living when people can just get food for free?

Same goes for shipping old clothes off to 3rd world countries.

Something about teaching a man to fish.,,,


So, the poor are animals.
 
2014-05-18 11:00:42 PM  

RabbiSheepshanker: As a Rabbi, I have to say, [Pamela Geller is a c*nt.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/search/node/pamela%20geller%20ty pe:blog )


Pretty much this. In other countries, we either imprison or commit to treatment those with mental health disorders. In the US we make them right wing talking heads.
 
2014-05-18 11:01:07 PM  

nmrsnr: Enemabag Jones: But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

Honestly? Because Jews in America have been convinced (without much evidence to the contrary) that Europe has pretty much washed their hands of the region, and if the Arab states around Israel decided to try and steamroll over Israel (the whole "push them into the sea" rhetoric) the Europeans would shake their heads sadly and say "that's too bad" while all the while sighing in relief that that mess is over with. This terrifies Jews the world over, since the memory of what it was like in the world without a safe haven is still way too fresh. American Jews have therefore made it well known that keeping Israel a free, Jewish state is priority number one for their vote and their money, and America is the only country where the Jewish community has the clout for that threat to work.


This is also true, though I suspect that if the surrounding Arab states made the attempt, they might be somewhat surpised to find themselves biting off more than they could chew. Military service is compulsory in Israel, regardless of gender, and the idea of every Jew in Israel, plus every Jew globally going who was able going to Israel (or sending money or supplies) to aid in the effort would probably simply present a repeat of 1967 (which I'm perfectly okay with--they'd be well within their rights to remind the world that they are the aggrieved party, here: they won that war--which began when Israel struck back against the PLO attacking them, Egypt massing on Israel's border, and encroachments by both sides into the DMZ between Israel and Syria, fairly decisively).
 
2014-05-18 11:03:46 PM  

geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.


Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."
 
2014-05-18 11:09:05 PM  

gerbilpox: geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.

Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."


I don't think people not connected with the government were really meant to live in DC.
 
2014-05-18 11:16:09 PM  

yakmans_dad: Contrabulous Flabtraption: The Koran does in fact feature anti-semitism. The ad is not dishonest

Well, there's anti-Semitism in lots of places. "Let his blood be on us and our children! "


"That's not anti-Semitic." As said to me by a born-again housemate many years ago.
 
2014-05-18 11:18:26 PM  
www.smbc-comics.com

Often relevant.
 
2014-05-18 11:27:58 PM  
Who wins the Internet, cats or Hitler?
 
2014-05-18 11:28:07 PM  
psihealthylives.com
 
2014-05-18 11:28:39 PM  

drongozone: Who wins the Internet, cats or Hitler?


Hitler cats.
 
2014-05-18 11:31:43 PM  

gerbilpox: geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.

Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."


Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.
 
2014-05-18 11:36:08 PM  
 
2014-05-18 11:41:19 PM  

Snapper Carr: Let's cut all that foreign aid, what's the worst thing that could happen?


[i.imgur.com image 850x1166]


In case you didn't notice that happened with all the foreign aid.
 
2014-05-18 11:43:58 PM  

CruJones: This will end well.  Hell, even being told the point behind it I still got confused.


Rovian Projection can get confusing sometimes.
 
2014-05-18 11:44:09 PM  

drongozone: Who wins the Internet, cats or Hitler?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-18 11:46:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: nmrsnr: You know, if they really wanted to be "even-handed," with respect to the "stop funding Israel" ad they might have run an ad about US foreign aid to Pakistan, who harbored Bin Laden, or Saudi Arabia, who funnel money to terrorists, but no, they are just pushing religious hatred. That works out so well for everyone.

From another article, so people see the comparison:

The "Jew-hating" ad in question, paid for by the Illinois-based group American Muslims for Palestine, appeared on 20 Metro buses from mid-March to mid-April. Here it is. ...

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x176]

IMHO, they're  both being dickish.


Yes.  It's like a contest "Let's see who can be the bigger dickbags!"

Whoever wins, we lose.
 
2014-05-18 11:55:20 PM  

hogans: Needs more starfish.


[whatisthisidon'teven.jpg]
 
2014-05-19 12:12:09 AM  

cptjeff: gerbilpox:

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."

Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.


[Clicking "Smart" button]
 
2014-05-19 12:14:42 AM  
They should use this image:
 
2014-05-19 12:15:51 AM  
They should use THIS image.
 
2014-05-19 12:20:14 AM  

Mad_Radhu: drongozone: Who wins the Internet, cats or Hitler?

Hitler cats.


Hitler hitler hitler Hitlercats!
 
2014-05-19 12:20:37 AM  

Old Man Winter: . possibly the moon in case Hitler is still there.


It's more likely than you think.

media.moddb.com
 
2014-05-19 12:26:02 AM  

cptjeff: gerbilpox: geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.

Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."

Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.


I was told by some guys in southern Virginia that it's actually them who pay for the liberal freeloaders up in northern Virginia.
 
2014-05-19 01:04:40 AM  

sendtodave: Mad_Radhu: drongozone: Who wins the Internet, cats or Hitler?

Hitler cats.

Hitler hitler hitler Hitlercats!


No, Hitler dancing with cat!
 
2014-05-19 01:08:36 AM  
Oiy!
 
2014-05-19 01:18:09 AM  

Kevin72: While the ad's appropriateness for 2014 is questionable, its historic truth of 75 years ago is not. The concentration camps in Croatia run by the Muslims with Hitler's blessing actually grossed out even the Nazis who checked it out. The Nazis were into efficient impersonal mass murder. The Muslim run Croatian camps featured individual torture including that of kids.


Yet my grandma, who had spent time in Hitler's labor camps, was perfectly OK with her daughter marrying the child of a German immigrant.

Almost like the sins of other Germans didn't mean jack f--king sh-t even though that happened between 3 and 4 decades later.
 
2014-05-19 01:54:23 AM  

gerbilpox: cptjeff: gerbilpox:

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."

Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.

[Clicking "Smart" button]


I wish I could claim credit for the idea, but I can't. Tell your Congresscritters to cosponsor.

\Not a single Republican on there, of course.

sendtodave: I was told by some guys in southern Virginia that it's actually them who pay for the liberal freeloaders up in northern Virginia.


And I suspect they genuinely believe it. That's the trouble with trusting belief over facts.
 
2014-05-19 02:37:49 AM  
But if we cut off aid to Israel, we won't get:

cdn01.dailycaller.com

www.algemeiner.com

www.atlantajewish.com

www.sportsmansdaily.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

media1.santabanta.com
 
2014-05-19 02:40:31 AM  
Stuff like this makes me a little crazy. I know most people in the Middle East are normal people trying to get by, just like you and me... But this sort of dick waving contest over who is more oppressed, or who is more bigoted, or who deserves what land based on what claim is stupid. It makes me wish they could all get together in one spot and burn each other in the atomic fire they so seemingly crave for the other.

Seriously, you asshats, just farking deal with the fact that have slightly different views of the imaginary sky-father god (I know a lot of Israelis are secular, they substitute ideas in like claiming the Palestinians don't actually exist and are just Arabs that happened to temporarily be camping over the Jewish homeland), and rather than just bringing up old grudges over and over and over and periodically ethnically cleansing each other, how about thinking about how we can achieve a better life for everyone? Isn't that a more meaningful "justice" than the "justice" of hatred, oppression and revenge?

We should either defund ALL the bastards or target our funding into encouraging them to develop nukes so they can rid the rest of us of their company. Seriously, Israeli or Arab, all I see is people driven mad by a complex brew of racism/tribalism and toxic religious belief.

/it's no wonder some Gnostics considered the abrahamic god as evil or at least misguided
//I feel deeply sorry for those that genuinely desire peace, who have I live with the asshats
 
2014-05-19 02:41:20 AM  

sendtodave: cptjeff: gerbilpox: geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.

Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."

Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.

I was told by some guys in southern Virginia that it's actually them who pay for the liberal freeloaders up in northern Virginia.


Yep, here in Hampton Roads is where the Navy and military are based, which is VA's bread and butter.
 
2014-05-19 02:53:20 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?


Indeed. USA could contribute to those peace keepers. (why the quotatitons, you do realise UN has peace keepers around the world. Whose mission it is to keep the peace?)
 
2014-05-19 02:54:04 AM  

kling_klang_bed: sendtodave: cptjeff: gerbilpox: geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.

Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."

Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.

I was told by some guys in southern Virginia that it's actually them who pay for the liberal freeloaders up in northern Virginia.

Yep, here in Hampton Roads is where the Navy and military are based, which is VA's bread and butter.


Anyone have any citations on tax receipts by county either way?

I'm inclined to believe that nova pays the lions share.
 
2014-05-19 03:02:49 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Well, well.  Here we are, watching politicians in DC caught between stances.  Do they continue to suck Israel's cock, or do they take it out of their mouth long enough to say that they don't agree with a Jewish organization, because "tolerance for all"?  My guess is they stay out of it and hope to hell it goes away before Jewish campaign contributors start holding them accountable for foreign aid votes.


Pamela Geller's group is not a Jewish organization, it's a far-right Islamophobic organization. It's also considered a hate group according to both the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League. The majority of American Jews do not subscribe to the extreme views of Pamela Geller.
 
2014-05-19 03:20:54 AM  

sendtodave: wambu: gfid: HindiDiscoMonster: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

I am not sure why we feel obligated to provide aid (other than perhaps food to 3rd world countries because it is the decent thing to do) to Israel or any of the core Muslim countries... I also feel we need to stop being the world's police force. The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?

There's an argument that food aid actually continues the cycle of poverty.  How the fark are farmers supposed to make a living when people can just get food for free?

Same goes for shipping old clothes off to 3rd world countries.

Something about teaching a man to fish.,,,

So, the poor are animals.


No no no. You misunderstand. The point is that if only the poor could learn to forage for food there would be no need for food stamps. And while you're at it, be sure to have your poor people spayed and neutered as well.
 
2014-05-19 04:15:02 AM  
You know who else took a picture with Hitler...
www.redicecreations.com
Therefore...Catholics hate Jews and are domestic terrorists...
 
2014-05-19 05:32:55 AM  

fusillade762: [psihealthylives.com image 652x490]


Yeah, it's amazing how much grief, trouble, and hardship we were able to buy at such a cheap price.
Great f**king deal.
Could you also get us cancer wholesale?
 
2014-05-19 05:41:31 AM  

2wolves: HindiDiscoMonster: The UN is supposed to serve that function with their "Peace Keepers" right?

Because the USSR, the USA, and the PRC cut off the U.N.'s balls  during the Korean unpleasantness.


Just as a point of pedantry...

Korean unpleasantness: 1950-1953.

PRC didn't take ROC's security council seat until 1971.
 
2014-05-19 05:53:59 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I was just actually watching Downfall on Netflix this morning. It was actually kind of entertaining because of the Schadenfreude of seeing Hitler realizing his dreams had died and all that was left for him and his inner circle was despair and suicide. It was oddly heartwarming to see so many evil people have a bad day, like 2 and a half hours of real-life Joffreys dying.


i1.ytimg.com

You sicko
 
2014-05-19 06:33:22 AM  

The Bruce Dickinson: You know who else took a picture with Hitler...
[www.redicecreations.com image 460x291]
Therefore...Catholics hate Jews and are domestic terrorists...


Eh, people take pictures with assholes all the time. It's called politics. I had my picture taken with Ted Kennedy when I was younger--one of those things where I knew a guy who knew the Kennedy family, and it would have been incredibly rude for me to say, "Senator, you're a murdering douchenozzle and I refuse to be seen in public with you."

Doesn't mean I had any use for the late Senator, agreed with his politics, or thought he was remotely useful (he was riding on his more useful, and sadly, assassinated and long-dead brothers, coattails right up until the day he died) as a Senator or good for the country. It was something I did out of politeness and a refusal to embarrass my friend in public.
 
2014-05-19 07:02:19 AM  

sendtodave: kling_klang_bed: sendtodave: cptjeff: gerbilpox: geoduck42: gfid: Which is pretty farked up IMO, but if anyone actually cares about it their voice is too small to be heard.

Maybe giving them 2 senators and a representative would actually over represent them in Congress, so I'm not sure what the best solution is. Or maybe not since there are more people in DC than there are in Vermont and Wyoming.

If only they had some representation, maybe they could get representation.

How about carve off Northern Virgina and make a new state out of the combination. You get one new Red State and one new Blue one, and the idiots (as I hear it) who live in southern Virginia can go stew in their own juices.

Congress was considering sorta doing that by giving a red state (I think it was Utah) another rep to balance. The red state was right on the borderline of having enough population to be owed it, so it could be justified.

Sounded unconstitutional to me. DC is not a state! Only a consitutional amendment can give it votes. Similar with a DC lawsuit about it being "discrimination." As a law professor of mine (IANAL) once said, "you can't say the Consitution is unconstitutional."

Actually, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment. You just have to shrink the boundaries. The constitution sets a maximum size for the District, but not a minimum one. An act of Congress could simultaneously shrink the boundaries of the district to just the Capitol Complex, White House, and Mall, while admitting the rest of the current District as a new state, which would be known as "New Columbia".

Carving off NoVA is a no go. That would take Virginia's consent, and NoVA is where the money is. They pay for the rest of the state, Virginia ain't gonna cut away its best tax base.

I was told by some guys in southern Virginia that it's actually them who pay for the liberal freeloaders up in northern Virginia.

Yep, here in Hampton Roads is where the Navy and military are based, which is VA's bread and b ...


It's more complicated than that. The money is in an urban crescent running roughly from Loudoun County east and south to Richmond, then east to Virginia Beach. That's well more than half of all tax receipts in the commonwealth (about 70 percent, w/ almost 40 percent in NoVa, under 15 percent in Richmond's MSA, and the rest -- about 20 percent total -- in Hampton Roads), and about that big a proportion of the people. Because of gerrymandering and vote-selling, however, spending as a portion of the state budget falls well short (all those places give more than they get), and they have less political power lest they turn us all into damn communists.

Pam Geller is a bad person who should feel bad. Trolls seldom do.
 
2014-05-19 07:56:56 AM  
Am I doing it right?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-19 08:06:44 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: redmid17: LordJiro: Considering that Hitler himself was a Christian (at least as much of a Christian as the hateful assholes on the American RIght), Gellar may want to rethink the whole 'Judging a whole religion based on its worst members' thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_views

Yep. Although if he was practicing it wouldn't matter. Catholics aren't *really* Christian anyway.

/there are many things I don't get about evangelicals


Evangelicals are easy to understand. "I'm special damnit and will do whatever I feel like to proof it."
 
2014-05-19 08:31:51 AM  

Aigoo: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

Because, despite the Constitutional requirement that dictates we separate matters of religion and state, we do not do so.

And because the United States is, according to every poll taken on the matter, a nation whose inhabitants are somewhere between 68 and 78% Christian (whatever flavor/sect they happen to fall under)--and the leaders of those sects are bound and determined to maintain political clout by demanding their parishioners vote religious issues, not political/state issues. (And the Bible is clear that supporting Israel is not questionable--despite the fact that Israel is, at this time, a secular nation that keeps religious law largely separate from politics [there is a movement within Israeli government to change to a Torah-based government, but that is not currently the case] or they would not have given up control of the Temple Mount to Islam.)

I'm a Christian, but I do not conflate my politics with my faith when it's time to vote. Most of those who call themselves Christian do not make the distinction and that is why no politician in the US who ever wants to be elected would give the idea of stopping aid to Israel a moment's consideration, regardless of the practicality of the idea.


Today's fun fact: Nowhere does the Constitution of the United States of America state there must be a separation of church and state.
 
2014-05-19 08:53:45 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Fart_Machine: It's a bit more convoluted than that.

That wasn't very convoluted.  He publicly paid lip service for political gains, while stating to his confidants a goal of destroying christianity in Europe.  Okay.

Here's what his homey Goebbels had to say in his private writings..

On 8 April 1941, Goebbels wrote that Hitler 'hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity." He wrote on 29 December 1939, that Hitler viewed Christianity as a "symptom of decay" and added his own opinion: "Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed".
Clergy, nuns and lay leaders were targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality". Goebbels led the Nazi persecution of the clergy. In 1933, the Nazis established a Reich Chamber of Authorship and Reich Press Chamber under the Reich Cultural Chamber of the Ministry for Propaganda. Dissident writers were terrorised. The flourishing Christian press of Germany faced censorship and closure. Finally in March 1941, Goebbels banned all Church press, on the pretext of a "paper shortage".


Regardless of the truth of that, it doesn't give the Church a pass for enabling and endorsing fascism.

/'reap what you sow' sound familiar?
 
2014-05-19 09:04:14 AM  

Jakesta: Aigoo: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

Because, despite the Constitutional requirement that dictates we separate matters of religion and state, we do not do so.

And because the United States is, according to every poll taken on the matter, a nation whose inhabitants are somewhere between 68 and 78% Christian (whatever flavor/sect they happen to fall under)--and the leaders of those sects are bound and determined to maintain political clout by demanding their parishioners vote religious issues, not political/state issues. (And the Bible is clear that supporting Israel is not questionable--despite the fact that Israel is, at this time, a secular nation that keeps religious law largely separate from politics [there is a movement within Israeli government to change to a Torah-based government, but that is not currently the case] or they would not have given up control of the Temple Mount to Islam.)

I'm a Christian, but I do not conflate my politics with my faith when it's time to vote. Most of those who call themselves Christian do not make the distinction and that is why no politician in the US who ever wants to be elected would give the idea of stopping aid to Israel a moment's consideration, regardless of the practicality of the idea.

Today's fun fact: Nowhere does the Constitution of the United States of America state there must be a separation of church and state.


Today's corollary to today's fun fact:  Separation of church and state is STILL a farking good idea.

Unless you'd care to point to a happy, stable, prosperous theocracy somewhere on this planet?
 
2014-05-19 09:06:41 AM  

Jakesta: Aigoo: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

Because, despite the Constitutional requirement that dictates we separate matters of religion and state, we do not do so.

And because the United States is, according to every poll taken on the matter, a nation whose inhabitants are somewhere between 68 and 78% Christian (whatever flavor/sect they happen to fall under)--and the leaders of those sects are bound and determined to maintain political clout by demanding their parishioners vote religious issues, not political/state issues. (And the Bible is clear that supporting Israel is not questionable--despite the fact that Israel is, at this time, a secular nation that keeps religious law largely separate from politics [there is a movement within Israeli government to change to a Torah-based government, but that is not currently the case] or they would not have given up control of the Temple Mount to Islam.)

I'm a Christian, but I do not conflate my politics with my faith when it's time to vote. Most of those who call themselves Christian do not make the distinction and that is why no politician in the US who ever wants to be elected would give the idea of stopping aid to Israel a moment's consideration, regardless of the practicality of the idea.

Today's fun fact: Nowhere does the Constitution of the United States of America state there must be a separation of church and state.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, "
 
2014-05-19 09:09:02 AM  

Ilmarinen: Mad_Radhu: I was just actually watching Downfall on Netflix this morning. It was actually kind of entertaining because of the Schadenfreude of seeing Hitler realizing his dreams had died and all that was left for him and his inner circle was despair and suicide. It was oddly heartwarming to see so many evil people have a bad day, like 2 and a half hours of real-life Joffreys dying.

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You sicko


Actually, that was one of the best parts, knowing that the scene was supposed to be historically accurate and that the Goebbels were in a position where they felt they had to kill their own children before they killed themselves. When you consider how many millions died because of Goebbels, it feels just that they had to suffer so much at the end, knowing that their legacy was truly gone in every meaningful way as they died. They brought so much horror to the world that it is nice to know that their lives ended in some of the worst horror imaginable.
 
2014-05-19 09:20:46 AM  
let me guess... the vicious racist coont pam geller is behind this?
 
2014-05-19 09:49:16 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?


You have any idea how many rabidly pro Israel people we have in the states? There is a HUGE group of people with LOTS of money and politicle power pulling for them, not to even mention the Pro Israel Lobby. Which is farking nuts that a foreign power has it's own lobby in our country but that just goes to show what I'm Talking About.
 
2014-05-19 10:42:32 AM  

Luven: Enemabag Jones: Can we stop aid to Israel too?

Jews, like everyone else, most are fine people.  But I am not sure why the US is allied with Israel so much?

You have any idea how many rabidly pro Israel people we have in the states? There is a HUGE group of people with LOTS of money and politicle power pulling for them, not to even mention the Pro Israel Lobby. Which is farking nuts that a foreign power has it's own lobby in our country but that just goes to show what I'm Talking About.


What's nuts about a lobby for a foreign country. That's what an Ambassador, after all, does.
 
2014-05-19 10:51:13 AM  
Is it this one?:

static.tvtropes.org
 
2014-05-19 11:25:43 AM  
But will the buses run on time?
 
2014-05-19 11:41:00 AM  
Even talking about Hitler is racist. That's why he and the Nazis should be erased from all history texts, and never spoken of again.
 
2014-05-19 12:08:03 PM  
You have any idea how many rabidly pro Israel people we have in the states? There is a HUGE group of people with LOTS of money and politicle power pulling for them, not to even mention the Pro Israel Lobby. Which is farking nuts that a foreign power has it's own lobby in our country but that just goes to show what I'm Talking About

Racist
 
2014-05-19 12:24:36 PM  
Prescott Bush

/that is all
 
2014-05-19 12:29:58 PM  
Good. Tolerance for Islam is entirely self-defeating.
 
2014-05-19 01:10:17 PM  

animal color: It's more complicated than that. The money is in an urban crescent running roughly from Loudoun County east and south to Richmond, then east to Virginia Beach. That's well more than half of all tax receipts in the commonwealth (about 70 percent, w/ almost 40 percent in NoVa, under 15 percent in Richmond's MSA, and the rest -- about 20 percent total -- in Hampton Roads), and about that big a proportion of the people.


Right on.  Actually, I'm coming up with ~50% from NoVA, and ~14% from Hampton Roads (income tax calculations).

But, either way, if there is any "us versus them" attitude  down south, well, it really is the North that carries the state.  Not Hampton Roads, Richmond, or especially not the boonies (the guys that told me that they paid for everything lived in farking Pittsylvania county!).

total income tax liability, aggregate$9,846,787,045
Hampton Roads
Gloucester30,952,529
Isle of Wight36,994,787
James City92,549,969
Mathews7,408,169
York75,313,676
total for HR counties243,219,130

Chesapeake204,944,406
Hampton85,546,671
Newport News117,378,119
Norfolk138,778,882
Poquoson16,468,071
Portsmouth56,749,679
Suffolk74,116,401
Virginia Beach447,253,951
Williamsburg12,187,433
total for HR cities1,153,423,613

total for HR1,396,642,743
% of aggregate14.18%

Arlington557,984,809
Clarke18,661,273
Culpeper41,081,676
Fairfax2,339,056,855
Fauquier105,786,571
King George26,694,747
Loudoun640,171,364
Prince William531,962,100
Spotsylvania134,065,516
Stafford160,564,414
Warren33,574,161
total for NoVA counties4,589,603,486

Alexandria$312,114,736
Falls Church36,357,979
Fairfax46,773,374
Fredericksburg29,458,565
Manassas$39,419,051
Manassas Park13,311,630
total for NoVA cities$477,435,335

total for NoVA$5,067,038,820.75
% of aggregate51.46%

But, sure, whatever, we can take our half, and you can take yours, you rednecks.
 
2014-05-19 03:07:40 PM  
Washington is a state on the west coast.

This is not that Washington.  The place you are talking about is called DC, or Washington DC.  Please make a note for further use.
 
2014-05-19 04:50:47 PM  

Old Man Winter: meat0918: Wait.

Isn't a lot of that "aid" actually more like protection money, as in "We'll give you money, don't try and destroy Israel"?

Or was that just with Egypt?

Exxept backwards. We pay Israel about 2 billion a year in military aid so they don't destroy Egypt, Syria...everyone else nearby... possibly the moon in case Hitler is still there.


No, no the Amazon Women chased him off years ago.
 
2014-05-19 05:04:12 PM  

PunGent: Regardless of the truth of that, it doesn't give the Church a pass for enabling and endorsing fascism.


I completely agree with that, but....um, who is giving the church a pass for anything, at all?  The article was about a dispute between Judaism advocates and Muslim advocates.
 
2014-05-19 05:10:03 PM  

fusillade762: Geller claims she's gotten hundreds of emails in support of the ads, but a few city bus riders are not happy, saying it's "outrageous" and "racist."

Hating someone for their religion is racist?


No, technically.  It's bigotry in the same way racism and homophobia are, but it's not technically racism.  We really should have a word like "religionism" or "faithism" or something, but in the meantime, "religious bigotry" works.
 
2014-05-19 06:26:46 PM  

wambu: gfid: Something about teaching a man to fish.,,,

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So your point is that you think people are animals?  Or that making stupid comparisons is ironic?
 
2014-05-19 06:32:28 PM  
Jakesta: Aigoo: I'm a Christian, but I do not conflate my politics with my faith when it's time to vote. Most of those who call themselves Christian do not make the distinction and that is why no politician in the US who ever wants to be elected would give the idea of stopping aid to Israel a moment's consideration, regardless of the practicality of the idea.

Today's fun fact: Nowhere does the Constitution of the United States of America state there must be a separation of church and state.


You're probably trolling or joking, but here.
 
2014-05-19 10:18:14 PM  

Kahabut: Washington is a state on the west coast.

This is not that Washington.  The place you are talking about is called DC, or Washington DC.  Please make a note for further use.


Washington was Washington before Washington, so maybe Washington needs to clarify which Washington it is instead.
 
2014-05-19 11:36:13 PM  

doyner: Kahabut: Washington is a state on the west coast.

This is not that Washington.  The place you are talking about is called DC, or Washington DC.  Please make a note for further use.

Washington was Washington before Washington, so maybe Washington needs to clarify which Washington it is instead.


The original name of Washington, DC, was Foggy Bottom. I think they should go back to that. Just for the lulz.
 
2014-05-20 09:09:42 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: PunGent: Regardless of the truth of that, it doesn't give the Church a pass for enabling and endorsing fascism.

I completely agree with that, but....um, who is giving the church a pass for anything, at all?  The article was about a dispute between Judaism advocates and Muslim advocates.


Apparently I thought you were...my apologies.  I just re-read The Arms of Krupp, and I get a little twitchy at anything that looks like Christians sweeping stuff under the rug.

/pro-tip for all True Believers:  if your religion wants the moral high ground, don't pin medals on convicted slave owners...in the 20th century.
//my ass is a better beacon of morality
 
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