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(The Daily Beast)   Bob Dylan's decade-old memoir contains as many as 1,000 bits of text lifted from other works, in a Da Vinci-esque bit of performance art, plagiarism, metacommentary, or just Dylan being as incomprehensible as ever   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 43
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2014-05-18 06:40:25 PM
Talent borrows, Genius steals.
 
2014-05-18 08:20:05 PM

brantgoose: Talent borrows, Genius steals.


~Rand Paul
 
2014-05-18 09:35:23 PM

shanrick: brantgoose: Talent borrows, Genius steals.

~Rand Paul


~Shia LaBeouf
 
2014-05-18 09:46:49 PM
Well, that was a fun thread.
 
2014-05-18 09:47:10 PM
Wow, if there ever was a "one and done" this thread is it.

Dylan's been stealing for a long time. But he's also come up with a lot of great stuff too. He influenced the Beatles, and the Beatles influenced everybody, so for that alone his place in history is secure. I always thought the ridiculously precise detail of incredibly trivial things in his book always smacked more of creative writing rather than genuine memoirs anyway.

And from what I recall, "Tarantula" was made from writing that was later cut up and pasted back together. So, not terribly surprising.
 
2014-05-18 09:50:20 PM

stonelotus: shanrick: brantgoose: Talent borrows, Genius steals.

~Rand Paul

~Shia LaBeouf


" Any truth, I maintain, is my own property. And I shall continue to heap quotations from Epicurus upon you, so that all persons who swear by the words of another, and put a value upon the speaker and not upon the thing spoken, may understand that the best ideas are common property. " - Seneca

He was rather long winded, wasn't he. But he said a lot of things first or second.
 
2014-05-18 09:57:26 PM

wildcardjack: " Any truth, I maintain, is my own property. And I shall continue to heap quotations from Epicurus upon you, so that all persons who swear by the words of another, and put a value upon the speaker and not upon the thing spoken, may understand that the best ideas are common property. " - Seneca

Banksy

FTFY
 
2014-05-18 10:02:12 PM

thatguyoverthere70: Wow, if there ever was a "one and done" this thread is it.

Dylan's been stealing for a long time.


That's where you should have stopped typing. He's a rampant, serial plagiarist, and he needs to be called out and shamed. His lyrics, his fine art, and now his writing are all shown, time and again, to be blatantly ripping off others. He actually says he's allowed to do this because he's great and still in the pop consciousness, and he's only stealing from those he considers less important than he is.

"There are different rules for me. And as far as Henry Timrod is concerned, have you even heard of him? Who's been reading him lately?"

Here's the kind of painting he makes. Here's a famous photo on the right. He claims the painting is an original work.

cdn.thedailybeast.com

He's a dick. Fark Bob Dylan.
 
2014-05-18 10:13:49 PM
That's less than a tweet.
 
2014-05-18 10:17:36 PM
Like many traditional blues and folk singers, Dylan has been known throughout his career for appropriating lines and melodies from others' earlier work. "Blowin' in the Wind" was a rewrite of the slave-era folk song "No More Auction Block."

Uh, no.  I know both songs and "Auction Block" sounds nothing like "Blowin' in the Wind."  Dylan did record "Auction Block" somewhere very early in his career, but it wasn't released until very recently.

As to the rest, it reminds me of people who trace back Shakespeare to his original sources: much of what he said he borrowed from others, a little bit he made up himself.  But if all he gave the world was that little original bit, he gave us more than almost any other writer.

I feel the same way about Dylan.
 
2014-05-18 10:23:14 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Like many traditional blues and folk singers, Dylan has been known throughout his career for appropriating lines and melodies from others' earlier work. "Blowin' in the Wind" was a rewrite of the slave-era folk song "No More Auction Block."

Uh, no.  I know both songs and "Auction Block" sounds nothing like "Blowin' in the Wind."  Dylan did record "Auction Block" somewhere very early in his career, but it wasn't released until very recently.



♫The action, my friend, is on the auction block
The action is on the auction block. ♪
 
2014-05-18 10:39:53 PM
Musss ruh fair, muh nyussz zo sos myye joiiseeee.
 
2014-05-18 10:53:12 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Like many traditional blues and folk singers, Dylan has been known throughout his career for appropriating lines and melodies from others' earlier work. "Blowin' in the Wind" was a rewrite of the slave-era folk song "No More Auction Block."

Uh, no.  I know both songs and "Auction Block" sounds nothing like "Blowin' in the Wind."  Dylan did record "Auction Block" somewhere very early in his career, but it wasn't released until very recently.

As to the rest, it reminds me of people who trace back Shakespeare to his original sources: much of what he said he borrowed from others, a little bit he made up himself.  But if all he gave the world was that little original bit, he gave us more than almost any other writer.

I feel the same way about Dylan.


Exactly.  Well said sir.

When Bob was on he was tremendous.  Your a big girl now, Girl from the North Country, IF you see her say hello, just amazing lyrics.
 
2014-05-18 11:24:22 PM
he stole a bunch of lyrics from ovid's poems of exile too
 
2014-05-18 11:26:20 PM
I still haven't forgiven him for Dylan and the Dead. Worst Dead show ever.
 
2014-05-18 11:37:00 PM

Scrotastic Method: thatguyoverthere70: Wow, if there ever was a "one and done" this thread is it.

Dylan's been stealing for a long time.

That's where you should have stopped typing. He's a rampant, serial plagiarist, and he needs to be called out and shamed. His lyrics, his fine art, and now his writing are all shown, time and again, to be blatantly ripping off others. He actually says he's allowed to do this because he's great and still in the pop consciousness, and he's only stealing from those he considers less important than he is.

"There are different rules for me. And as far as Henry Timrod is concerned, have you even heard of him? Who's been reading him lately?"

Here's the kind of painting he makes. Here's a famous photo on the right. He claims the painting is an original work.

[cdn.thedailybeast.com image 600x375]

He's a dick. Fark Bob Dylan.


And fuc* you too.

FTFA--'bits of texts'? What the fuc* does that mean? BITS? *uck you too, author of this f*cking article.
 
2014-05-18 11:39:13 PM

John Buck 41: FTFA--'bits of texts'? What the fuc* does that mean? BITS?


He only copied the vowels.
 
2014-05-18 11:39:56 PM

Scrotastic Method: thatguyoverthere70: Wow, if there ever was a "one and done" this thread is it.

Dylan's been stealing for a long time.

That's where you should have stopped typing. He's a rampant, serial plagiarist, and he needs to be called out and shamed. His lyrics, his fine art, and now his writing are all shown, time and again, to be blatantly ripping off others. He actually says he's allowed to do this because he's great and still in the pop consciousness, and he's only stealing from those he considers less important than he is.

"There are different rules for me. And as far as Henry Timrod is concerned, have you even heard of him? Who's been reading him lately?"

Here's the kind of painting he makes. Here's a famous photo on the right. He claims the painting is an original work.

[cdn.thedailybeast.com image 600x375]

He's a dick. Fark Bob Dylan.


At least put in the full quote "Oh, yeah, in folk and jazz, quotation is a rich and enriching tradition. That certainly is true. It's true for everybody, but me. I mean, everyone else can do it but not me. There are different rules for me. And as far as Henry Timrod is concerned, have you even heard of him? Who's been reading him lately? And who's pushed him to the forefront? Who's been making you read him? And ask his descendants what they think of the hoopla. And if you think it's so easy to quote him and it can help your work, do it yourself and see how far you can get."
 
2014-05-18 11:43:17 PM
Damnit, the audio book is by Sean Penn.
 
2014-05-18 11:59:30 PM

wildcardjack: Damnit, the audio book is by Sean Penn.


Penn gets all the ink.
 
2014-05-19 12:26:09 AM
Every Dylan fan knows he's a famous dick.  He supposedly faked his motorcycle accident after realizing the acclaim that his friend Richard Farina was held in after he was killed in a wreck on the night of his book release party...

 thatguyoverthere70 He influenced the Beatles, and the Beatles influenced everybody,

yeah, Dylan was the one guy The Beatles considered their superior & would never run down either creatively or in interviews 'til 'The White Album' since Paul was doing "Back In The USSR" he also ran Dylan down with "Rocky Raccoon"-it was designed  as a piss-take on Dylan's song technique-the 'South Dakota' was a deliberate reference, being one state over from Minnesota...
 
2014-05-19 12:31:25 AM

theflatline: Dwight_Yeast: Like many traditional blues and folk singers, Dylan has been known throughout his career for appropriating lines and melodies from others' earlier work. "Blowin' in the Wind" was a rewrite of the slave-era folk song "No More Auction Block."

Uh, no.  I know both songs and "Auction Block" sounds nothing like "Blowin' in the Wind."  Dylan did record "Auction Block" somewhere very early in his career, but it wasn't released until very recently.

As to the rest, it reminds me of people who trace back Shakespeare to his original sources: much of what he said he borrowed from others, a little bit he made up himself.  But if all he gave the world was that little original bit, he gave us more than almost any other writer.

I feel the same way about Dylan.

Exactly.  Well said sir.

When Bob was on he was tremendous.  Your a big girl now, Girl from the North Country, IF you see her say hello, just amazing lyrics.


This, that, and the other thing too!
 
2014-05-19 01:03:44 AM

Danger Avoid Death: I still haven't forgiven him for Dylan and the Dead. Worst Dead show ever.


Tonight's dead show was pretty good
 
2014-05-19 01:56:16 AM
C is for cookie and that is good enough for me.
 
2014-05-19 02:06:07 AM

FlyingJ: Every Dylan fan knows he's a famous dick. He supposedly faked his motorcycle accident after realizing the acclaim that his friend Richard Farina was held in after he was killed in a wreck on the night of his book release party...


That is the dumbest farking "Motorcycle accident" theory I've ever heard, and I thought at this point I'd heard them all.
 
2014-05-19 02:10:39 AM

FlyingJ: Dylan was the one guy The Beatles considered their superior & would never run down either creatively or in interviews 'til 'The White Album' since Paul was doing "Back In The USSR" he also ran Dylan down with "Rocky Raccoon"-it was designed  as a piss-take on Dylan's song technique-the 'South Dakota' was a deliberate reference, being one state over from Minnesota...


This theory is new to me and sounds like complete bull-crap.
 
2014-05-19 03:26:03 AM

wildcardjack: Damnit, the audio book is by Sean Penn.


It needed to be done by Tom Petty, Eddie Vedder, or Boomhauer.
 
2014-05-19 03:29:00 AM

FlyingJ: Every Dylan fan knows he's a famous dick.  He supposedly faked his motorcycle accident after realizing the acclaim that his friend Richard Farina was held in after he was killed in a wreck on the night of his book release party...

 thatguyoverthere70 He influenced the Beatles, and the Beatles influenced everybody,

yeah, Dylan was the one guy The Beatles considered their superior & would never run down either creatively or in interviews 'til 'The White Album' since Paul was doing "Back In The USSR" he also ran Dylan down with "Rocky Raccoon"-it was designed  as a piss-take on Dylan's song technique-the 'South Dakota' was a deliberate reference, being one state over from Minnesota...


Once upon a time you derped so fine, didn't you?
 
2014-05-19 06:32:19 AM
"If you're obsessive and nerdy enough to believe this is good writing, that's your own problem."
 
2014-05-19 06:56:31 AM
Glad this guy found a hobby, but it sounds like a bunch of apophenia.
 
2014-05-19 07:08:27 AM
My music collection lacks any songs performed by Bob Dylan.

My music collection will continue to lack any songs performed by Bob Dylan for a considerable amount of time to come.
 
2014-05-19 07:08:31 AM

mekkab: Glad this guy found a hobby, but it sounds like a bunch of apophenia.


Just learned a cool new word.

thanks!
 
2014-05-19 08:03:46 AM

Rann Xerox: My music collection lacks any songs performed by Bob Dylan.

My music collection will continue to lack any songs performed by Bob Dylan for a considerable amount of time to come.


Not even the Spangled Dwarf song?

Mahumina nunmiufghp werhgtrinserd .
To quote the bard,
 
2014-05-19 08:36:06 AM

TomD9938: FlyingJ: Dylan was the one guy The Beatles considered their superior & would never run down either creatively or in interviews 'til 'The White Album' since Paul was doing "Back In The USSR" he also ran Dylan down with "Rocky Raccoon"-it was designed  as a piss-take on Dylan's song technique-the 'South Dakota' was a deliberate reference, being one state over from Minnesota...

This theory is new to me and sounds like complete bull-crap.


Especially since John did his own piss-take on Dylan 3 years earlier.
 
2014-05-19 09:47:00 AM
There's something happening here...
 
2014-05-19 11:27:01 AM

lindalouwho: mekkab: Glad this guy found a hobby, but it sounds like a bunch of apophenia.

Just learned a cool new word.

thanks!


then you'll love pareidolia, which is a specific form of apophenia where you see faces in random objects.
 
2014-05-19 11:39:46 AM

mekkab: lindalouwho: mekkab: Glad this guy found a hobby, but it sounds like a bunch of apophenia.

Just learned a cool new word.

thanks!

then you'll love pareidolia, which is a specific form of apophenia where you see faces in random objects.


Jesus!!!
 
2014-05-19 11:41:08 AM
My music collection lacks any songs performed by Bob Dylan

Your loss then....

Dylan has always admitted that he borrows and takes from other performers and styles; it what he does with it that makes him a genius. When he's on, he's on, when he's off, well.... he still merits a listen. I've not liked much of what he's done lately, and when he was going through his born-again phase kind of tuned him out. His genius, however, was still strong then. " Blind Willie McTell" was written in that period. It just blows me away. A great lyric, a great melody, a great arrangement.
 
2014-05-19 01:01:12 PM

Scrotastic Method: thatguyoverthere70: Wow, if there ever was a "one and done" this thread is it.

Dylan's been stealing for a long time.

That's where you should have stopped typing. He's a rampant, serial plagiarist, and he needs to be called out and shamed. His lyrics, his fine art, and now his writing are all shown, time and again, to be blatantly ripping off others. He actually says he's allowed to do this because he's great and still in the pop consciousness, and he's only stealing from those he considers less important than he is.

"There are different rules for me. And as far as Henry Timrod is concerned, have you even heard of him? Who's been reading him lately?"

Here's the kind of painting he makes. Here's a famous photo on the right. He claims the painting is an original work.

[cdn.thedailybeast.com image 600x375]

He's a dick. Fark Bob Dylan.


QFMFT
 
2014-05-19 01:51:04 PM

lindalouwho: mekkab: lindalouwho: mekkab: Glad this guy found a hobby, but it sounds like a bunch of apophenia.

Just learned a cool new word.

thanks!

then you'll love pareidolia, which is a specific form of apophenia where you see faces in random objects.

Jesus!!!


Yes!  He's frequently seen on toast!
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-19 02:14:41 PM

Tellingthem: At least put in the full quote "Oh, yeah, in folk and jazz, quotation is a rich and enriching tradition. That certainly is true. It's true for everybody, but me. I mean, everyone else can do it but not me. There are different rules for me. And as far as Henry Timrod is concerned, have you even heard of him? Who's been reading him lately? And who's pushed him to the forefront? Who's been making you read him? And ask his descendants what they think of the hoopla. And if you think it's so easy to quote him and it can help your work, do it yourself and see how far you can get."


I don't read that quote as helping his case -- which is why I summarized. "I stole from a guy that you've never heard of but now you have so I did that guy a favor, really." Not how it works.
 
2014-05-19 02:26:22 PM
Who knew there was a Dylan Purist Division on FARK?  Here, Bob Dyrpers is a reference to McCartney's parody-specifically of his "John Wesley Harding" era.  I suggest the True Believers visit JWH's grave in El Paso. When I was there we had black helicopters flying over, make of that what you will  http://www.morethings.com/music/beatles/rockyraccoon.html
 
2014-05-19 06:17:27 PM

FlyingJ: Who knew there was a Dylan Purist Division on FARK?  Here, Bob Dyrpers is a reference to McCartney's parody-specifically of his "John Wesley Harding" era.  I suggest the True Believers visit JWH's grave in El Paso. When I was there we had black helicopters flying over, make of that what you will  http://www.morethings.com/music/beatles/rockyraccoon.html


2/10  Not ready for prime time and definitely not ready to troll the Politics tab.
 
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