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(The Atlantic)   How politicians can win Millennials. Assuming they can turn away from their iPods and Instagrams and Miley Cyruses and ecstasy   (theatlantic.com) divider line 170
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2014-05-18 07:46:12 PM  
So what happened to Generation Y? This thing with the media making up little names for "generations" every few years  is really obnoxious.
 
2014-05-18 07:50:25 PM  
Another idea is to not expect them to turn away from the things that are mainstream to their life. Reach out to them on their terms.
 
2014-05-18 07:55:45 PM  

Mugato: So what happened to Generation Y? This thing with the media making up little names for "generations" every few years  is really obnoxious.


Millenials is Generation Y.  It is noted as the generation that came of age around the end/beginning of the millenium.
 
2014-05-18 07:56:16 PM  
Well, I suppose voting trophies would be the easy option. I mean, there are already all those "I voted" stickers, but the problem there is that they don't really call any one person out. It's just, "I voted," and who cares about that if everyone does it? Maybe the stickers should be individualized, print-on-demand sort of things. Like, for example, "I voted fastest." "Most deliberate voter." "Did not use the 'back' button." Stuff like that. People want to feel exceptional, after all.
 
2014-05-18 08:07:08 PM  
Millennials can shove it. i don't want them to vote.
 
2014-05-18 08:08:55 PM  
I call bs. The poll doesn't ask about important issues, like Benghazi and Fast And Furious

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2014-05-18 08:11:55 PM  

Asa Phelps: Millennials can shove it. i don't want them to vote.


Old white people are the only people who vote. I'd rather have more young people voting to even it up a little.
 
2014-05-18 08:17:20 PM  

Mugato: Asa Phelps: Millennials can shove it. i don't want them to vote.

Old white people are the only people who vote. I'd rather have more young people voting to even it up a little.


Everyone who can vote, should vote.  No one listens to people who stay home on election day.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.
 
2014-05-18 08:19:44 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, I suppose voting trophies would be the easy option. I mean, there are already all those "I voted" stickers, but the problem there is that they don't really call any one person out. It's just, "I voted," and who cares about that if everyone does it? Maybe the stickers should be individualized, print-on-demand sort of things. Like, for example, "I voted fastest." "Most deliberate voter." "Did not use the 'back' button." Stuff like that. People want to feel exceptional, after all.


I voted before it was cool.
You probably have never heard of who I voted for.
 
2014-05-18 08:22:49 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's just, "I voted," and who cares about that if everyone does it?


That's the problem, not everyone does do it.  I love my "I voted" sticker.  It gives me the happys.  And I wear it all day hoping it reminds people "Hey, that's right, I need to vote".
 
2014-05-18 08:23:48 PM  

Mugato: So what happened to Generation Y? This thing with the media making up little names for "generations" every few years  is really obnoxious.


A generation is 20 years, so I fixed this for everybody

born
40s, 50s - Boomer
60s, 70s - Gen X
80s, 90s - Gen Y
00s, 10s - Millennials

This is the standard going forward. Adjust your watches accordingly.
 
2014-05-18 08:30:43 PM  

Triumph: 40s, 50s - Boomer


more like '46. The boomers are by definition born after the end of WWII. Doesn't matter. The whole thing is meaningless anyway.
 
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2014-05-18 08:32:08 PM  
Politics and arguing are popular things among a group of my friends, and almost none of them are registered to vote.

It makes me sad.
 
2014-05-18 08:33:34 PM  

Ambivalence: Pocket Ninja: It's just, "I voted," and who cares about that if everyone does it?

That's the problem, not everyone does do it.  I love my "I voted" sticker.  It gives me the happys.  And I wear it all day hoping it reminds people "Hey, that's right, I need to vote".


Exactly right. You have been favorited.
 
2014-05-18 08:35:32 PM  

Delay: Ambivalence: Pocket Ninja: It's just, "I voted," and who cares about that if everyone does it?

That's the problem, not everyone does do it.  I love my "I voted" sticker.  It gives me the happys.  And I wear it all day hoping it reminds people "Hey, that's right, I need to vote".

Exactly right. You have been favorited.


Woo!  Do I get a sticker?
 
2014-05-18 08:38:57 PM  

Triumph: born
40s, 50s - Boomer
60s, 70s - Gen X
80s, 90s - Gen Y
00s, 10s - Millennials

This is the standard going forward. Adjust your watches accordingly.


No.  Generation Y = Millenials.

By your definition millenials aren't even old enough to vote yet.
 
2014-05-18 08:43:54 PM  

Ambivalence: Woo! Do I get a sticker?


Nope. You have to vote first. However, all your posts are enhanced with a green background color, if that is any consolation.
 
2014-05-18 08:45:43 PM  

Delay: Ambivalence: Woo! Do I get a sticker?

Nope. You have to vote first. However, all your posts are enhanced with a green background color, if that is any consolation.


Could we maybe do purple instead?  Green really isn't my color...
 
2014-05-18 08:46:39 PM  
When you say "they," subby, are you referring to the politicians or the Millennials?
 
2014-05-18 08:54:55 PM  

Ambivalence: Delay: Ambivalence: Woo! Do I get a sticker?

Nope. You have to vote first. However, all your posts are enhanced with a green background color, if that is any consolation.

Could we maybe do purple instead?  Green really isn't my color...


Perhaps. I favorite Fark posters with different colors. I reserve a purple background for Fark Independents who want to abandon our Constitution and install a Theocracy in its place, hence the purple background.
 
2014-05-18 08:57:40 PM  

Delay: Perhaps. I favorite Fark posters with different colors. I reserve a purple background for Fark Independents ™ who want to abandon our Constitution and install a Theocracy in its place, hence the purple background.


Oh yah, no, I'm okay with green then.

Don't want to mess with the system, nor do I want to ruin my reputation as a person of reason.
 
2014-05-18 09:58:31 PM  
The people I lose respect for the most are the ones who refuse to vote because there isn't a perfect candidate. And they are the people who allow the worst candidates to get into office because the people who support those truly awful candidates actually get out there and vote.

Grow the hell up and vote.
 
2014-05-18 10:36:18 PM  

Delay: Pocket Ninja: Well, I suppose voting trophies would be the easy option. I mean, there are already all those "I voted" stickers, but the problem there is that they don't really call any one person out. It's just, "I voted," and who cares about that if everyone does it? Maybe the stickers should be individualized, print-on-demand sort of things. Like, for example, "I voted fastest." "Most deliberate voter." "Did not use the 'back' button." Stuff like that. People want to feel exceptional, after all.

I voted before it was cool.
You probably have never heard of who I voted for.


Dukakis? Yeah, nobody's heard of him.
 
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2014-05-18 10:40:19 PM  

soporific: Grow the hell up and vote.


Or, stay at home and whine about your misery to anyone who will listen.  Whatever.
 
2014-05-18 10:41:14 PM  
You can pretty much automatically win my vote by getting a degree in any scientific field. Bonus points if you're Republican, so we can stop debating no-brainer issues like gay rights and intelligent design.

I personally see the stunning ignorance of our leaders to be far more of a problem than the fact that they're bought and sold like political action figures. If someone's smart and corrupt, they won't destroy the world because they have to live there. If someone is dumb, it doesn't matter if they're corrupt, because they don't know what they're doing either way.
 
2014-05-18 10:48:22 PM  
This is what sucks about the system because I'm a radical, but in some ways it's probably better for society. Things take a long time to advance. By the time the young people's ideals gain any traction, it's when they're finally old enough to be into politics.

But then by that time their ideals have eroded a bit.

But it takes people forever to accept change because they don't want to give up what they currently have on the off-chance they can have what they want.

We have enough gambling in this country that I don't understand why we aren't taking more chances. OK, I actually do understand it, but am not equipped to articulate it in this thread.

Gamblers:
Poor people playing the lottery
Professional poker players, and other casino gamblers that work a system
Wall Street
Small business owners

I won't include giant megacorps because what they do isn't really a gamble.
 
2014-05-18 10:55:43 PM  
1. Become more liberal politically

They can start from there.
 
2014-05-18 10:57:42 PM  
What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.
 
2014-05-18 10:58:53 PM  

Ambivalence: Mugato: Asa Phelps: Millennials can shove it. i don't want them to vote.

Old white people are the only people who vote. I'd rather have more young people voting to even it up a little.

Everyone who can vote, should vote.  No one listens to people who stay home on election day.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Agree. This is the first thing that I ask when a political conversation comes up...did you vote? No? Then STFU, you couldn't/wouldn't talk when it counted, you do not get to biatch about it now.
 
2014-05-18 10:59:12 PM  
Looking at the details of the question wording in the topline, the results seem less impressive -- it looks like they did things like just testing acceptance of liberal narratives, rather than cross-testing acceptance between competing liberal versus conservative narratives. Harstad Strategic Research looks to be the left's equivalent of Rasmussen -- or worse.

It's data, but have your GP check your blood pressure before reading; this needs to be taken with a lot of salt.

Draq: You can pretty much automatically win my vote by getting a degree in any scientific field.


Think twice about voting for doctors or engineers; it seems that many just know how to use the results they like, not how to accept science they find unpalatable.
 
2014-05-18 11:02:50 PM  

dababler: What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.


Someday, we'll stop ignoring the words of artists based on the idea that they should just stick to their art. Because why aren't artists' rights equal to those of the working man? I could tell you why, but nobody would ever believe me.
 
2014-05-18 11:04:13 PM  

Delay: Ambivalence: Woo! Do I get a sticker?

Nope. You have to vote first. However, all your posts are enhanced with a green background color, if that is any consolation.


Only one Farker gets PocketNinja Green on my list.
 
2014-05-18 11:06:08 PM  
Have you considered treating them like human beings instead of marketing demographics?
 
2014-05-18 11:06:49 PM  

Asa Phelps: Millennials can shove it. i don't want them to vote.


bet you're a blast at parties..

are you? "depends"
 
2014-05-18 11:07:14 PM  

PanicMan: Have you considered treating them like human beings instead of marketing demographics?


They might, but their PR firm(s) would take issue with that lack of risk management.
 
2014-05-18 11:09:41 PM  

PanicMan: Have you considered treating them like human beings instead of marketing demographics?


Ha!  No, no they have not.
 
2014-05-18 11:12:02 PM  

jaylectricity: dababler: What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.

Someday, we'll stop ignoring the words of artists based on the idea that they should just stick to their art. Because why aren't artists' rights equal to those of the working man? I could tell you why, but nobody would ever believe me.


I give artists' opinions the same exact weight as workers' :

Jack shiat unless they convince me they have a coherent reason for it.
 
2014-05-18 11:14:20 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: jaylectricity: dababler: What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.

Someday, we'll stop ignoring the words of artists based on the idea that they should just stick to their art. Because why aren't artists' rights equal to those of the working man? I could tell you why, but nobody would ever believe me.

I give artists' opinions the same exact weight as workers' :

Jack shiat unless they convince me they have a coherent reason for it.


So you really don't respect a lot of people's opinions, is what you're saying. Also, it's cute both of you think Miley Cyrus is an "artist."
 
2014-05-18 11:15:30 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: jaylectricity: dababler: What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.

Someday, we'll stop ignoring the words of artists based on the idea that they should just stick to their art. Because why aren't artists' rights equal to those of the working man? I could tell you why, but nobody would ever believe me.

I give artists' opinions the same exact weight as workers' :

Jack shiat unless they convince me they have a coherent reason for it.


More to the point, artists all have opinions, but art is only as powerful as what you choose to feel in response to it. When they try to tell you what to feel in straight up speeches, they're basically admitting they've failed as an artist, but that english major might still be an option.

rrrrrright
 
2014-05-18 11:16:08 PM  
I can tell you how.

Don't be a bigot and don't be a member of the reactionary right wing.

//But I repeat myself.
 
2014-05-18 11:16:10 PM  

Draq: You can pretty much automatically win my vote by getting a degree in any scientific field. Bonus points if you're Republican, so we can stop debating no-brainer issues like gay rights and intelligent design.

I personally see the stunning ignorance of our leaders to be far more of a problem than the fact that they're bought and sold like political action figures. If someone's smart and corrupt, they won't destroy the world because they have to live there. If someone is dumb, it doesn't matter if they're corrupt, because they don't know what they're doing either way.


May I please introduce you to Dr. Paul Broun from Georgia...medical doctor, but denies evolution.  A degree means you passed the test, not that you learned anything on the test.
 
2014-05-18 11:20:49 PM  
They were raised to have plenty of self esteem and boy do they.

I've never seen so many 20-somethings that genuinely think they should be making six figures and have their opinions valued.
 
2014-05-18 11:21:09 PM  

whidbey: Zarquon's Flat Tire: jaylectricity: dababler: What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.

Someday, we'll stop ignoring the words of artists based on the idea that they should just stick to their art. Because why aren't artists' rights equal to those of the working man? I could tell you why, but nobody would ever believe me.

I give artists' opinions the same exact weight as workers' :

Jack shiat unless they convince me they have a coherent reason for it.

So you really don't respect a lot of people's opinions, is what you're saying. Also, it's cute both of you think Miley Cyrus is an "artist."


No, I don't consider Miley and artist but I thought jay opened the discussion up to a larger group than just one Disney escapee.

Most of my friends are more creative types while I work in a blue-collar field. I know geniuses and idiots in both groups.
 
2014-05-18 11:21:49 PM  
Ecstasy? I thought the kids these days were all about the jenkum and bath salts?
 
2014-05-18 11:22:31 PM  

meat0918: I can tell you how.

Don't be a bigot and don't be a member of the reactionary right wing.

//But I repeat myself.


But is there money in that?
 
2014-05-18 11:24:15 PM  
Pot.
 
2014-05-18 11:26:05 PM  

Arkanaut: Pot.


More people need to smoke it and lose their hangups over it, definitely.

But then again Rand/Ron both support legalizing it and they're both conservative nutcases.

Guess that wasn't really the point, though.
 
2014-05-18 11:26:30 PM  

soporific: The people I lose respect for the most are the ones who refuse to vote because there isn't a perfect candidate. And they are the people who allow the worst candidates to get into office because the people who support those truly awful candidates actually get out there and vote.

Grow the hell up and vote.


If it wasn't for mail in ballots, I wouldn't bother voting. The choice is, generally speaking, a choice between terrible and mediocre. There's a few rare exceptions, but they're all the more noticeable because the rest are so worthless. For every one Elizabeth Warren, you have hundreds of Obamas, Clintons and Rahms. Come 2016, I just won't be able to bring myself to vote for some mediocre, corrupt, neoliberal shiatbag again.
 
2014-05-18 11:27:42 PM  

Ambivalence: PanicMan: Have you considered treating them like human beings instead of marketing demographics?

Ha!  No, no they have not.


It's just my pet peeve when people ask "what do (millenials, immigrants, poor people, etc) really want?"

Well, they're people.  They probably want exactly what you want:  A good job, safe cities, a future for their children, and a comfortable old age.  Nothing really that crazy or extreme.
 
2014-05-18 11:28:28 PM  

whidbey: Zarquon's Flat Tire: jaylectricity: dababler: What does Smiley Thighbutts have to do with anything, do people even pay attention to her?  She's no Madonna, she's no Gaga, she's... just... weird.

Someday, we'll stop ignoring the words of artists based on the idea that they should just stick to their art. Because why aren't artists' rights equal to those of the working man? I could tell you why, but nobody would ever believe me.

I give artists' opinions the same exact weight as workers' :

Jack shiat unless they convince me they have a coherent reason for it.

So you really don't respect a lot of people's opinions, is what you're saying. Also, it's cute both of you think Miley Cyrus is an "artist."


I don't recognize the words "Miley" and "Cyrus" in either of our posts.
 
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