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(100.7 WZLX)   Led Zeppelin being sued for copyright infringement, again. This time over "Stairway"   (wzlx.cbslocal.com) divider line 115
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2014-05-18 04:49:34 PM  
So you're saying that Led Zepplin may not be solely responsible for letting us know the high school dance was about to end?
 
KIA
2014-05-18 04:57:24 PM  
Meh, a 6-second descending guitar riff that goes nowhere for them isn't going to get them anything.  Particularly since they haven't policed their alleged copyright since 1968.
 
2014-05-18 04:58:26 PM  
There's a lawyer who says
Every lawsuit is gold
And he's su-u-ing the band members
Of Zeppelin.
 
2014-05-18 04:59:24 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com

perfectlycursedlife.com
 
2014-05-18 05:02:53 PM  
I'll take "shiat that would have mattered in 1972, Alex."
 
2014-05-18 05:06:20 PM  
I'm surprised they waited this long. The Taurus/Stairway thing has been common knowledge for a long long time.
 
2014-05-18 05:06:31 PM  
Chagrin at finding myself in the Zep camp...but I don't hear it.  If Stairway to Heaven ripped off that song, then Taurus ripped off Pachelbel's Canon in D since both of them featured a sequence of descending notes.
 
2014-05-18 05:11:24 PM  
So Page ripped off white musicians too?
 
2014-05-18 05:12:29 PM  

flucto: I'll take "shiat that would have mattered in 1972, Alex."


Agreed

/came for the Wayne's World reference.
//saw them twice
///Achilles Last Stand Farking Rocks!
 
2014-05-18 05:17:42 PM  
If they like benjamines so much, why they don't sue real thieves?
 
2014-05-18 05:25:00 PM  
If there's a lawyer in your hedgerow,
Don't be alarmed now.
It's just a cash grab by a douche bag.
 
2014-05-18 05:25:19 PM  

Snapper Carr: I'm surprised they waited this long. The Taurus/Stairway thing has been common knowledge for a long long time.


Statute of limitations, I think. Since Zep are about to re-issue the song, it makes it a new violation.

/subby.
//was going to use a Wayne's World 2 reference in the headline, but couldn't think of a way to do it without it sounding corny.
 
2014-05-18 05:33:55 PM  

Evilsmurf: Snapper Carr: I'm surprised they waited this long. The Taurus/Stairway thing has been common knowledge for a long long time.

Statute of limitations, I think. Since Zep are about to re-issue the song, it makes it a new violation.

/subby.
//was going to use a Wayne's World 2 reference in the headline, but couldn't think of a way to do it without it sounding corny.


Okay... I get that they're re-releasing it, and hence the new attempt at suing, but how in the hell is it that it doesn't count as from the time they wrote it, in 1971? I mean, it's been forty three years now, how is it remotely possible the writing credits haven't passed far beyond the statute of limitations?
 
2014-05-18 05:37:09 PM  
Didn't Congress extend copyright protection to some insane number of years because the Mouse had really good lobbyists?
 
2014-05-18 05:38:24 PM  
A long time ago, I knew a musicologist who was planning on recording a "rock album" that used copies of then-current rock songs, hoping to be sued. He had a hobby of finding "original" songs that were just classical music melodies with the themes inverted or reversed.

He claimed there were a lot of them...
 
2014-05-18 05:38:27 PM  
I knew that the first time I heard Stairway. I had listened to Spirit's first album many times and I knew right away that it sounded familiar. If all those old blues performers were alive, Zep would have about 20 lawsuits going on.
 
2014-05-18 05:46:40 PM  

wiseolddude: I knew that the first time I heard Stairway. I had listened to Spirit's first album many times and I knew right away that it sounded familiar. If all those old blues performers were alive, Zep would have about 20 lawsuits going on.


Some of them are, or have estates with some damn good lawyers. TFA lists several lawsuits which have been settled out of court.

Choestoe: Didn't Congress extend copyright protection to some insane number of years because the Mouse had really good lobbyists?


Yes, Sonny Bono's widow had a lot to do with it as well.
 
2014-05-18 05:47:29 PM  
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
 
2014-05-18 05:48:22 PM  

the_celt: came for the Wayne's World reference.


Ditto.
 
2014-05-18 05:50:12 PM  
Well, California,Locke and Cassidy are all dead, so it's Ferguson and Andes suing?
 
2014-05-18 05:50:16 PM  
I own the copywrite to D minor (the saddest of all keys really) and I'm suing everybody.
 
2014-05-18 05:58:26 PM  

cirby: A long time ago, I knew a musicologist who was planning on recording a "rock album" that used copies of then-current rock songs, hoping to be sued. He had a hobby of finding "original" songs that were just classical music melodies with the themes inverted or reversed.

He claimed there were a lot of them...


Whiter Shade of Pale comes to mind.
 
2014-05-18 06:08:22 PM  
It's very likely that Sprit and Jimmy Paige were influenced by the same classical composers and independantly "adapted" the descending run to their own songs. I've spent most of my almost 50 years immersed in music and the last decade or so listening to a lot of classical composers as well and I'm constantly hearing things from songs two and three hundred years old that very clearly were borrowed heavily upon by classic rock songwriters.
 
2014-05-18 06:13:10 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: So you're saying that Led Zepplin may not be solely responsible for letting us know the high school dance was about to end?


That's hilarious! For our 7th and 8th grade dances it was the 6+minute slow-drag "Stay in My Corner" by the Dells
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-05-18 06:13:12 PM  

wiseolddude: If all those old blues performers were alive, Zep would have about 20 lawsuits going on.


I don't know, riffing and standards are kind of how the blues work.  Perhaps the copyright owner cares, but often, the band does not.

Also, Zep didn't always claim to have written the songs.  Look at the credits on I or II, there aren't many Zep originals on there, and other people are getting credits.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-05-18 06:14:28 PM  

lindalouwho: I_Am_Weasel: So you're saying that Led Zepplin may not be solely responsible for letting us know the high school dance was about to end?

That's hilarious! For our 7th and 8th grade dances it was the 6+minute slow-drag "Stay in My Corner" by the Dells


Mine, several times, was Guns and Roses' November Rain.  After the first half, kids just stood around wondering what to do.
 
2014-05-18 06:15:46 PM  
Can't wait to see Elvis' estate sued by the relatives of all the Blues singers.
 
2014-05-18 06:18:35 PM  
Look at the credits on I or II, there aren't many Zep originals on there, and other people are getting credits.

Maybe not now, but there sure were on original pressings.
 
2014-05-18 06:21:11 PM  

doctor wu: It's very likely that Sprit and Jimmy Paige were influenced by the same classical composers and independantly "adapted" the descending run to their own songs. I've spent most of my almost 50 years immersed in music and the last decade or so listening to a lot of classical composers as well and I'm constantly hearing things from songs two and three hundred years old that very clearly were borrowed heavily upon by classic rock songwriters.


Except for the fact that when Led Zep first toured the US, they opened for Spirit. So they'd obviously heard "Taurus" before.

433: lindalouwho: I_Am_Weasel: So you're saying that Led Zepplin may not be solely responsible for letting us know the high school dance was about to end?

That's hilarious! For our 7th and 8th grade dances it was the 6+minute slow-drag "Stay in My Corner" by the Dells

Mine, several times, was Guns and Roses' November Rain.  After the first half, kids just stood around wondering what to do.


I remember Semisonic's "Closing Time" was used at my Senior prom. I grew to hate that song later after 3 years bartending.
 
2014-05-18 06:23:45 PM  
Jay-Z's rip off is slightly more impressive

Here's the original jazz track that he stole from
http://youtu.be/lxsnaamt6gI

And here's Jay-Z's rip off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Sboc05DhA
 
2014-05-18 06:25:16 PM  
Maybe Richard Rogers can sue them both for copying the opening chord changes to My Funny Valentine.
 
2014-05-18 06:28:00 PM  
Jimmy on Heroin again? Just damn............
 
2014-05-18 06:28:11 PM  

433: wiseolddude: If all those old blues performers were alive, Zep would have about 20 lawsuits going on.

I don't know, riffing and standards are kind of how the blues work.  Perhaps the copyright owner cares, but often, the band does not.

Also, Zep didn't always claim to have written the songs.  Look at the credits on I or II, there aren't many Zep originals on there, and other people are getting credits.


It took years for those credits to show up though. They're not on my albums.
 
2014-05-18 06:35:04 PM  
Eric Clapton ripped it off in "Let It Grow".....
 
2014-05-18 06:50:23 PM  
♫Don't blame it on Jim' Page
Don't blame it on Rob' Plant
Don't blame it on Paul James
Blame it on James Grant♫ and Bonham
 
2014-05-18 06:50:51 PM  

lindalouwho: I_Am_Weasel: So you're saying that Led Zepplin may not be solely responsible for letting us know the high school dance was about to end?

That's hilarious! For our 7th and 8th grade dances it was the 6+minute slow-drag "Stay in My Corner" by the Dells


We had "Color My World" by Chicago.

Oh, and as to the matter at hand. . . Seriously, who would claim authorship on that overrated piece of crap? Back in the day, I had to lift the needle and flip the album. Now I can just skip the track. . . .
 
2014-05-18 06:59:32 PM  
No way. Not even close.
 
2014-05-18 07:01:19 PM  

Snapper Carr: I'm surprised they waited this long. The Taurus/Stairway thing has been common knowledge for a long long time.


Exactly. Although I think their case is lame. It's just the opening notes of, what, a 10 minute song? Tough shiat.
 
2014-05-18 07:08:30 PM  

Evilsmurf: doctor wu: It's very likely that Sprit and Jimmy Paige were influenced by the same classical composers and independantly "adapted" the descending run to their own songs. I've spent most of my almost 50 years immersed in music and the last decade or so listening to a lot of classical composers as well and I'm constantly hearing things from songs two and three hundred years old that very clearly were borrowed heavily upon by classic rock songwriters.

Except for the fact that when Led Zep first toured the US, they opened for Spirit. So they'd obviously heard "Taurus" before.

433: lindalouwho: I_Am_Weasel: So you're saying that Led Zepplin may not be solely responsible for letting us know the high school dance was about to end?

That's hilarious! For our 7th and 8th grade dances it was the 6+minute slow-drag "Stay in My Corner" by the Dells

Mine, several times, was Guns and Roses' November Rain.  After the first half, kids just stood around wondering what to do.

I remember Semisonic's "Closing Time" was used at my Senior prom. I grew to hate that song later after 3 years bartending.


Lucky you. The idiots who organized my prom/graduation chose that hippie-lite/pseudo karma  'We May Never Pass This Way Again' by Seals & Crofts.
 
2014-05-18 07:08:44 PM  

Hector Remarkable: No way. Not even close.


Agreed. I hear three notes that sound the same and then nothing. That's not going to get you shiat in court.

/and boy does that Spirit song suck.
 
2014-05-18 07:08:50 PM  

John Buck 41: Snapper Carr: I'm surprised they waited this long. The Taurus/Stairway thing has been common knowledge for a long long time.

Exactly. Although I think their case is lame. It's just the opening notes of, what, a 10 minute song? Tough shiat.


I agree. If you can sue for that, there's gonna be an avalanche of lawsuits in a minute.

Not to mention how long they waited to sue.
 
2014-05-18 07:13:03 PM  
Not that they're above suspicion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc
 
2014-05-18 07:18:57 PM  
George Harrison lost the "He's So Fine/My Sweet Lord" battle.
 
2014-05-18 07:18:57 PM  

Evilsmurf: Snapper Carr: I'm surprised they waited this long. The Taurus/Stairway thing has been common knowledge for a long long time.

Statute of limitations, I think. Since Zep are about to re-issue the song, it makes it a new violation.

/subby.
//was going to use a Wayne's World 2 reference in the headline, but couldn't think of a way to do it without it sounding corny.


Not according to most court cases, besides the writer of the riff didn't care but seems his family may want cash so now they are suing.
 
2014-05-18 07:25:06 PM  

al-Mundane: Chagrin at finding myself in the Zep camp...but I don't hear it.  If Stairway to Heaven ripped off that song, then Taurus ripped off Pachelbel's Canon in D since both of them featured a sequence of descending notes.


everybody rips off Pachelbel
 
2014-05-18 07:27:33 PM  
Starshines:
/and boy does that Spirit song suck.

You take that back!

/ awesome song
// awesome band
/// zep wasn't bad either
 
2014-05-18 07:47:23 PM  
Can someone photoshop some 70s metal stuff on the "leave britney alone" kid?
 
2014-05-18 07:48:59 PM  

wiseolddude: George Harrison lost the "He's So Fine/My Sweet Lord" battle.


Yep. Also, Men at Work's loss for a flute riff in "Down Under"

The "My sweet lord" case makes for interesting reading. IIRC, Harrison's music was licenced by ABKCO, who initially defended the suit. Then Harrison's contract with ABKCO expired/terminated, and ABKCO bought the licence of "he's so fine", so then they were on the prosecution side.

http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm

Respect to Harrison for that song - how to troll christians 101: sing lots of "My sweet lord" but don't mention Krsna until halfway through the song.
 
2014-05-18 07:50:42 PM  

lindalouwho: 433: wiseolddude: If all those old blues performers were alive, Zep would have about 20 lawsuits going on.

I don't know, riffing and standards are kind of how the blues work.  Perhaps the copyright owner cares, but often, the band does not.

Also, Zep didn't always claim to have written the songs.  Look at the credits on I or II, there aren't many Zep originals on there, and other people are getting credits.

It took years for those credits to show up though. They're not on my albums.


Depends on which one you're talking about; the change to the credits on LZ II (for "Whole Lotta Love", I think) were made in the second pressing, within a year of the original issue.  The lack of credit is one of the ways you know you have an first pressing.
 
2014-05-18 07:52:55 PM  

Choestoe: Didn't Congress extend copyright protection to some insane number of years because the Mouse had really good lobbyists?


Yep.  Forever minus 1 year.
 
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