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(The New York Times)   College snowflakes now need warning labels on books, because every sentence doesn't comfort them like warm milk and pink fuzzy bunny slippers, and big scary words might send them into traumatic fits   (nytimes.com) divider line 196
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2014-05-18 01:48:39 PM  
"...about to read or see in a classroom might upset them or, as some students assert, cause symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in victims of rape or in war veterans. "  WUT?
 
2014-05-18 03:12:31 PM  
Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of whiny BS to me as well.  It's not the school's job, nor should it be, to prevent you from being confronted with academic material which you may find upsetting.
 
2014-05-18 05:01:50 PM  
Maybe there is something to be said for ritualistic hazing and bullying.  People need to grow a thicker skin than these pussies.

Or make them spend a week viewing 4chan.  That'll fix them.  Or completely break them.

Win Win either way,
 
2014-05-18 05:17:48 PM  
On one level I can understand how a rape victim or a victim of violence can be bothered by literary references of rape and violence, however on another level I really don't think there's anything to be gained by avoiding such references.  Not for an individual and not for society as a whole.  One of the great purposes of literature is to hold a mirror to society and show all the ugly things we don't want to believe about ourselves and the world we live in.  How are we served (as a whole) by insulating ourselves from things that make us uncomfortable?  It SHOULD make us uncomfortable.  That's the point.
 
2014-05-18 05:20:25 PM  
She said that she herself had been a victim of sexual abuse, and that although she had not felt threatened by the film, she had approached the professor to suggest that students should have been warned.

Oh, FFS. I see where they're coming from, but this is not helping.

UCSB does have cultural problems dealing with sexual abuse (as do other schools). Giving course materials a protective coating isn't the way to address it, however. This misguided "concern" just makes it easier to ignore the actual causes of abuse, which have already taken root before students walk into the classroom.
 
2014-05-18 05:28:24 PM  
There is a succinct term for these precious little snowflakes: pussies.


It's by facing the things that are new, challenging and even, some times, scary, that one learns and becomes a stronger, more capable person.


Also, back when I first started subbing, mostly at the middle school level, fourteen years ago, it was kind of standard procedure for the vocal music teachers and some others, to just have the sub show a video. A lot of the time it was one of the Harry Potter movies. Without fail, there would be at least five or six kids would produce notes from their parents asking that they we excused to the library rather than watch a movie about witchcraft. The first couple of times, I was just amazed.
 
2014-05-18 05:34:05 PM  
That's the point of college (or one of them); to shake you out of your comfortable childhood fantasy of life nad introduced you to the real world. Not always pleasant but neither is the world.
 
2014-05-18 05:37:28 PM  
"Trigger warnings"?  For literature?

How about a single "trigger warning" about the entirety of your education, on the day you arrive at school?  Then you can decide whether you really want to go to college, or let someone else have the opportunity.  Or better yet, forget the trigger warning:  just let these people boycott the educational system.  Starbucks will hire them with or without their roll-your-own degree in Catalan Identity.

These are probably the same people that think they've uncovered a scandal when a music video features "cultural appropriation."
 
2014-05-18 05:50:30 PM  
fta Should students about to read "The Great Gatsby" be forewarned about "a variety of scenes that reference gory, abusive and misogynistic violence," as one Rutgers student proposed?

You mean like the warning label on the Bible?
 
2014-05-18 06:10:43 PM  
No worries, so long as their transcripts clearly note this so I can be sure to toss their resumes in the trash should I happen upon one.
 
2014-05-18 06:29:21 PM  

real_headhoncho: Maybe there is something to be said for ritualistic hazing and bullying.  People need to grow a thicker skin than these pussies.

Or make them spend a week viewing 4chan.  That'll fix them.  Or completely break them.

Win Win either way,


This. You graduate jr high and you have mandatory 4chan sessions to show you the desert of the real.
 
2014-05-18 06:32:16 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-18 06:33:57 PM  
I was traumatized by a trigger warning, you uncaring bastards.
 
2014-05-18 06:34:03 PM  
"The Great Gatsby" be forewarned about "a variety of scenes that reference gory, abusive and misogynistic violence," as one Rutgers student proposed?

i'm sorry? was this when Daisy was tossing the shirts out of the closet? ~"I've never seen such beautiful shirts!"

horrific. unfolded laundry. the disorder. craziness. dogs living with cats and the like.
 
2014-05-18 06:34:13 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-18 06:37:43 PM  
No.  Waste of time, waste of money.  When the controversial books are assigned to read, the instructor just mentions that there is certain objectionable material.
 
2014-05-18 06:38:00 PM  
Liberal wussification of America.
 
2014-05-18 06:38:14 PM  
the gory anti-laundry details from Gats-(gasp)-by:
"I've got a man in England who buys me clothes. He sends over a selection of things at the beginning of each season, spring and fall."
He took out a pile of shirts and began throwing them, one by one, before us, shirts of sheer linen and thick silk and fine flannel, which lost their folds as they fell and covered the table in many-colored disarray. While we admired he brought more and the soft rich heap mounted higher - shirts with stripes and scrolls and plaids in coral and apple-green and lavender and faint orange, and monograms of Indian blue. Suddenly, with a strained sound, Daisy bent her head into the shirts and began to cry stormily.
"They're such beautiful shirts," she sobbed, her voice muffled in the thick folds. "It makes me sad because I've never seen such - such beautiful shirts before."
 
2014-05-18 06:38:32 PM  
You know what should have a trigger warning? Steinbeck. The warning should read: "This [novel/short story] sucks. It sucks worse than anything you've ever read or will ever read. You will regret taking this course." Other than that, get the fark over it.
 
2014-05-18 06:39:24 PM  
I took a class called "History of Genocide" at CU Boulder circa 1995.
One of the best classes I've ever taken. Some of the reading material was hard to deal with. But it was Boulder and I was in college; so I just got really high and ordered pizza if it got to be too much.
 
2014-05-18 06:43:07 PM  
This student, along with other a**holes who went $100K in debt for a useless liberal arts degree, are in for a lifetime of failure - an rightfully so.
 
2014-05-18 06:43:10 PM  

ChubbyTiger: You know what should have a trigger warning? Steinbeck. The warning should read: "This [novel/short story] sucks. It sucks worse than anything you've ever read or will ever read. You will regret taking this course." Other than that, get the fark over it.


"Oh, so it's that way." George was tense, and motionless. "Yeah, it's that way."

//if you're ever foot tapping in Idaho, look me up!
 
2014-05-18 06:44:21 PM  
I could have used some comfort words.

I needed a God damned dictionary to get through most chapters of my upper division course books.
 
2014-05-18 06:44:26 PM  

Aulus: There is a succinct term for these precious little snowflakes: pussies.


It's by facing the things that are new, challenging and even, some times, scary, that one learns and becomes a stronger, more capable person.


Also, back when I first started subbing, mostly at the middle school level, fourteen years ago, it was kind of standard procedure for the vocal music teachers and some others, to just have the sub show a video. A lot of the time it was one of the Harry Potter movies. Without fail, there would be at least five or six kids would produce notes from their parents asking that they we excused to the library rather than watch a movie about witchcraft. The first couple of times, I was just amazed.


Please don't use the word pussy as a pejorative.
 
2014-05-18 06:46:45 PM  
What about pop-up books? I mean, those are pretty terrifying. Things just POP RIGHT THE F*CK UP AT YOU. I'm surprised there are not millions of pop-up book related injuries every year, as those books can not only physically assault you, but can emotionally scar you.
 
2014-05-18 06:48:14 PM  
Really? References in lit need a warning label? REFERENCES? Wow.

So.. when are we going to issue rose colored glasses to these people with warning labels etched into them? Because it seems they need a 24x7 warning label at this point.
 
2014-05-18 06:48:43 PM  
It's like we're not even trying to produce adults anymore.
 
2014-05-18 06:49:07 PM  

iamrex: Aulus: There is a succinct term for these precious little snowflakes: pussies.


It's by facing the things that are new, challenging and even, some times, scary, that one learns and becomes a stronger, more capable person.


Also, back when I first started subbing, mostly at the middle school level, fourteen years ago, it was kind of standard procedure for the vocal music teachers and some others, to just have the sub show a video. A lot of the time it was one of the Harry Potter movies. Without fail, there would be at least five or six kids would produce notes from their parents asking that they we excused to the library rather than watch a movie about witchcraft. The first couple of times, I was just amazed.

Please don't use the word pussy as a pejorative.


Would pusillanimous work better for you, you pussy?
 
2014-05-18 06:50:36 PM  
I suppose this makes someone fell like they accomplished something good, but question its efficacy.
 
2014-05-18 06:51:14 PM  
We read All Quiet on the Western Front and Johnny Got His Gun in Jr. High.  Shrug.
 
2014-05-18 06:51:50 PM  
I changed my opinion on this.

It's no different than putting a head's up warning before surgical pictures which may be too graphic for some people. Surgery pics do not bother me in the least, but I've seen people throw up from them. Now, not many people have that severe a reaction, but because it really does bother some people that much...there's warnings.

There are things that bother me, like seeing someone executed/beheaded (I don't recommend). And might bother me to the point of sleep disturbance for a night or two. Again, a head's up warning isn't unreasonable.

And that's all this is. That the majority of the shiat they're talking about doesn't bother ME isn't the point. It is a really big deal for some people, so why not just have the farking head's up for them? That's the entire farking point of not censoring. I mean, there's always been talk of REMOVING disturbing things, or censoring them in some fashion...and that I'm vehemently against.

The counter argument to that has ALWAYS been, people should police themselves. A warning simply allows them to do that, for THEM to look away from that which bugs them.

Anyway, I used to be against this shiat, but I've come around on it. Think they're pussies all you want, but giving them a head's up negates censorship issues and puts the responsibility back on the people with who have their feelings, which is as it should be.
 
2014-05-18 06:52:07 PM  

robohobo: Would pusillanimous work better for you, you pussy?


A cunning stunt.
 
2014-05-18 06:52:22 PM  
Wait until they hit real life, like when your boss chews their ass and upsets their day.
BooHoo
 
2014-05-18 06:52:47 PM  
The latest generation of Feminists wants you to believe that anything bad that happens to you is a lifelong disease.

It's Munchausen's by Hypochondria. They create a mental disorder (which in itself is a mental disorder) of permanent disability and yell about it all day long.

They write blog after blog trying to convince their peers that they should feel worse about something relatively benign that happened to them, in order to make those mental disorders seem more believable. "You had sex when you were drunk? Then you were RAPED! You're a VICTIM!"

The all want attention for their imagined life-long disability. Being able to yell at someone for talking about a "taboo" subject gives them power.

Trauma exists, post-trauma effects exist, but these are not things to be diagnosed at home by attention-whoring bloggers. If you have lingering mental illness from a traumatic incident, you should be seeking professional help, not screaming from the rooftops for the world to shut down and pay attention to you.
 
2014-05-18 06:56:33 PM  
You cis bastards need to check your patriarchal privilege!  This thread is full of my triggers.
 
2014-05-18 06:56:43 PM  

Stoj: What about pop-up books? I mean, those are pretty terrifying. Things just POP RIGHT THE F*CK UP AT YOU. I'm surprised there are not millions of pop-up book related injuries every year, as those books can not only physically assault you, but can emotionally scar you.


/busy inventing the pop-up Internet.
 
2014-05-18 07:00:08 PM  
Oh. My. God. Apparently I should have had warnings in HIGH SCHOOL. Hemingway, Shakespeare, Steinbeck, Advise and Consent, The Catcher in the Rye, just to name a few. My own mother had a published novel that included sex, cross-dressing, and racism. In the 1960's.

I've had problems, but not one came from a book. If anything, books provided escape and relief.

We should probably have warnings in Sunday School, too. The Bible is full of sex, violence, genocide, war, and thousands of "disturbing" images.
 
2014-05-18 07:00:17 PM  

Lady Indica: The counter argument to that has ALWAYS been, people should police themselves. A warning simply allows them to do that, for THEM to look away from that which bugs them.


Reasonable  (adjective)  - "as much as is appropriate or fair; moderate"
 
pla
2014-05-18 07:00:45 PM  
iamrex : Please don't use the word pussy as a pejorative.

Although I agree with you in principle - Pussies, wonderful things, love 'em - Keep in mind that TFA does point out "The warnings, which have their ideological roots in feminist thought"... And includes not one mention of a male calling for this BS (though it has plenty of non-pathetic female professors denouncing such crap).

So yeah, I'd have to say it seems like an accurate description of the real problem here: Fragile violets who have no place in any social* setting, much less a college campus.

/ *Living room full of cats doesn't count.
 
2014-05-18 07:01:08 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I was traumatized by a trigger warning, you uncaring bastards.


I wonder if the NRA will object to them being called "trigger warnings" in order to distance themselves from another pack of nutjobs.
 
2014-05-18 07:01:08 PM  
Oh fark off.
 
2014-05-18 07:01:09 PM  
Holy Bible. Warning: contains explicit language, violence, torture, murder, suicide, adult situations, violent adult situations, adultery, incest, rape, torture, bestiality, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, eternal damnation, floods, plagues, locust swarms, and coveting...lots of coveting.

I'm not sympathetic to demands for Univeristy-wide requirements, but it does seem like a nice idea if a professor cares to mention sexual violence/child abuse or other potentially disturbing content on a syllabus/reading list. I'd also give props to major publishers if they decided to list brief content advisories, along the lines of what many TV shows and other media carry...nothing officially regulated or forced, just a simple "contains violence and sexual situations", maybe on the title page or something. Heck, it could even be used to their advantage, advertising graphic sexual descriptions on the back cover without seeming pandering.
 
2014-05-18 07:01:16 PM  

Lady Indica: I changed my opinion on this.

It's no different than putting a head's up warning before surgical pictures which may be too graphic for some people. Surgery pics do not bother me in the least, but I've seen people throw up from them. Now, not many people have that severe a reaction, but because it really does bother some people that much...there's warnings.

There are things that bother me, like seeing someone executed/beheaded (I don't recommend). And might bother me to the point of sleep disturbance for a night or two. Again, a head's up warning isn't unreasonable.

And that's all this is. That the majority of the shiat they're talking about doesn't bother ME isn't the point. It is a really big deal for some people, so why not just have the farking head's up for them? That's the entire farking point of not censoring. I mean, there's always been talk of REMOVING disturbing things, or censoring them in some fashion...and that I'm vehemently against.

The counter argument to that has ALWAYS been, people should police themselves. A warning simply allows them to do that, for THEM to look away from that which bugs them.

Anyway, I used to be against this shiat, but I've come around on it. Think they're pussies all you want, but giving them a head's up negates censorship issues and puts the responsibility back on the people with who have their feelings, which is as it should be.


Well put. I agree.
 
2014-05-18 07:03:22 PM  
Literature can have a powerful effect on people. Life changing, even. So yeah, a few words to the effect of: hey, this isn't Garfield, so be ready for some shiat. I'm okay with that.
 
2014-05-18 07:03:34 PM  
If a book doesn't surprise you or challenge you then it would be a bad book.
 
2014-05-18 07:04:09 PM  
To think, in WW2 we had soldiers who upon trying to throw a grenade would realize enemy machine guns sliced the hand off as it gripped the pinless grenade. They had the mental toughness to pick up their severed hand, pry the grenade free and throw it with their still good hand.

Now? We have people who fall to pieces seeing words on paper.
 
2014-05-18 07:04:27 PM  
This trigger warning fad needs to die a quick death.  Life is often full of nasty and brutish problems, and letting people avoid anything more disturbing than kittens is doing them a disservice.
 
2014-05-18 07:04:28 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of whiny BS to me as well.  It's not the school's job, nor should it be, to prevent you from being confronted with academic material which you may find upsetting.


Incorrect.

http://www.hepg.org/hel-home/issues/30_3/helarticle/trauma-sensitive -s chools

The latest educational buzz is about "trauma sensitive schools." Get ready because it's coming to a school near you, sooner rather than later.
 
KNW
2014-05-18 07:05:23 PM  
"Things Fall Apart" needs a warning that says "This book will bore the living shiat out of you and leave you wondering why you wasted time reading it"
 
2014-05-18 07:06:21 PM  
Well, I'm off to read Faulkner's Sanctuary.

That sounds like a nice, safe title.
 
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