xanadian: Except kangaroos are cute. I don't see the problem here.Also: how else are we going to continue to have "Made in America" stuff at "Made in China" wages, without a steady supply of prison labor?I saw this show about kangaroos. when the mother gives birth, the little red maggot crawls up the side of the mother to get into the pouch. it's farkin' gross.
soporific: A lot of people think that being tried as a juvenile is simply a slap on the wrist. (thanks to TV and the movies) That's why these things can happen, because no one believes that there is a problem. In fact, I'd wager that a lot of people think the juvenile system needs to be much harsher to be "tough on crime."This is the kind of thing that everyone needs to know about because it's what can happen to your kids. We like to think that it would never happen to our kids, because our kids are good and never get in trouble. In fact, those are the kinds of kids who could be abused the most by the system, as the parents are completely unprepared to deal with it.This is a very good article. It reminds me of the article Rolling Stone wrote in 2009 about how the court system was unfairly stacked against homeowners in the aftermath of the economic collapse. Up until then, I had no idea what was really going on in there. I believe that article helped enact a few of the reforms that helped homeowners.Subby is either trolling or an idiot. Your headline is bad and you should feel bad.
OgreMagi: Parents, teach your kids the right things to say, for example:"Show me the warrant.""Am I free to go?""I want an attorney."Etc. If you are in court, that last one is the only thing you should say. Do not plea. Do not talk to the prosecutor. Just keep telling the judge you want an attorney. But say it respectfully! That's damn important. Judges get very pissed off if you are an asshole in his court.BTW, a standard cop tactic is to answer your question with a question. For example, asking "am I under arrest?" will often get the response of, "do you want to be?" Just repeat the question. Refuse to answer his questions.You do not have to answer any questions. If a cop insists you must answer his questions, he is lying./fark law ged filed in office
Mugato: xanadian: Except kangaroos are cute. I don't see the problem hereObviously you've never boxed one. They fight dirty.
soporific: Subby is either trolling or an idiot. Your headline is bad and you should feel bad.
SilentStrider: linkright.Sorry subby, but Rolling Stone might on to something here.
Another Government Employee: OgreMagi: Parents, teach your kids the right things to say, for example:"Show me the warrant.""Am I free to go?""I want an attorney."Etc. If you are in court, that last one is the only thing you should say. Do not plea. Do not talk to the prosecutor. Just keep telling the judge you want an attorney. But say it respectfully! That's damn important. Judges get very pissed off if you are an asshole in his court.BTW, a standard cop tactic is to answer your question with a question. For example, asking "am I under arrest?" will often get the response of, "do you want to be?" Just repeat the question. Refuse to answer his questions.You do not have to answer any questions. If a cop insists you must answer his questions, he is lying./fark law ged filed in officeBe careful with that last one. The kid will eat pavement.
LegacyDL: ..but Boomers are right about everything!I mean aren't The Beatles the best band of all time, and isn't "Revolver" the best album ever made and makes Mozart's entire body of work look like a Creed/Nickelback mashup?
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DrBenway: Rolling Stone used to have a pretty good reputation for digging into stories like this. Do they still do longer form stuff, or is this the extent of it?Matt Taibbi did some of the hands-down best coverage of the shenanigans going on in the financial sector, not just the mortgage scandal but things like the rigging of municipal bonds. Sadly, he left for First Look media and hasn't done so much as a blog post in months.
JK8Fan: My 17 year old daughter was bullied by a cop into consenting to search her car several years back. She was not allowed to call me to ask if she should consent or not. The cop told her if she had nothing to hide she shouldn't have a problem with him taking a quick look. She said yes. Next thing she knew, she was sitting in the back of a police cruiser so she wouldn't interfere while they unloaded the contents of her car and trunk onto the gas station where she was pulled over parking lot. They found nothing. Gave her a ticket for a blinker violation and left her to reload her car. She on her way to her part time job and was 15 minutes late because of it. Never consent to search your vehicle, ever.Kids are bullied by authority many times.
ArkAngel: In re Gault, the mentioned case that brought the Constitution to juvenile courts is quite farked up.Gerald Gault was accused of making an obscene phone call by a neighbor. He was arrested without his parents being informed, held without notification of the charges, not allowed an attorney, and not allowed to confront his accuser. The witnesses weren't sworn in and there was no record taken.He was then sentenced to six years in juvenile detention. If he was 18 when accused, the maximum would have been two months and a $50 fine.
Fark like a Barsoomian: Uh this also doesn't work if their "representation" is actively working to help convict them.
profplump: Mugato: If the article is true then that's pretty farked up.It is, unfortunately, pretty accurate.But it's hardly unexpected in a system where you can't choose to act as an adult until you are 18, but you can be held responsible as an adult when you are 12. Or a system where a trial that decides where who will be your legal parent doesn't include you as a party to the case (so you aren't even entitled to access to the sealed court records, let alone representation at the trial). Or a system that sees the problem of poor school attendance and thinks the solution is jail time for the young person in question -- you know, because being in jail makes it so much more likely for a person to attend their classes.As has been noted by jurists for decades, we like to say that we treat children gently, and use that as an justification for their reduced freedoms, but we often both withhold rights from them and hold them just as accountable as older people.
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