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(AP News)   Think California Chrome might win the coveted Triple Crown? Whoa there, Hoss   (m.apnews.com) divider line 71
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2014-05-18 12:38:33 PM
There's no chemical/drug component, right? Sounds not much different than a horse racing with blinders on.
 
2014-05-18 01:35:42 PM
Same as leg wraps. Let the horses run.
 
2014-05-18 01:38:32 PM
Do they help prevent horses from snoring, too?

This is important.
 
2014-05-18 03:45:55 PM
Nasal strips don't actually do anything except slightly lighten the wallets of the gullible, so I don't understand why there's this contretemps.
 
2014-05-18 04:06:16 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Nasal strips don't actually do anything except slightly lighten the wallets of the gullible, so I don't understand why there's this contretemps.


The issue is one of fairness. If they let Chrome do it they need to let everyone do it and the Stewards have rejected other horses in the past. So why should Chrome be the exception? The only way I can see it happening is if they elect to get rid of the rule altogether, though they then have to answer the question why now?
 
2014-05-18 04:14:50 PM
I used to work at a stable for race horses shoveling shiat when I was 15-16

They're highstrung vicious assholes so I don't really give a shiat what they do to them.

/End csb
 
2014-05-18 04:25:56 PM
The Gaming Commission would have to be a pack of jerkwads not to let him run with a nasal strip.  They don't need the ill will; they'll allow it.
 
2014-05-18 04:33:46 PM
So, with the Triple Crown on the line, will there be a mass protest of Breathe Right strip-wearing racing fans?

Not like the horse is on steroids.
 
2014-05-18 04:38:16 PM
i hear wiring electrodes to the jockey's testicles improves a horse's time
 
2014-05-18 04:40:13 PM
img.fark.net

/must hurt like hell when you take it off
 
2014-05-18 04:40:27 PM

bentleypm: The Gaming Commission would have to be a pack of jerkwads not to let him run with a nasal strip.  They don't need the ill will; they'll allow it.


It's a shame that every state has its own little fiefdom where racing regulation is concerned. The article did note, at least, that there's recently some new blood on the NY commission. Hopefully they'll be sensible about this. "We don't allow it because we don't allow it" doesn't really cut it.
 
2014-05-18 04:44:47 PM

worlddan: forgotmydamnusername: Nasal strips don't actually do anything except slightly lighten the wallets of the gullible, so I don't understand why there's this contretemps.

The issue is one of fairness. If they let Chrome do it they need to let everyone do it and the Stewards have rejected other horses in the past. So why should Chrome be the exception? The only way I can see it happening is if they elect to get rid of the rule altogether, though they then have to answer the question why now?


How is it one of fairness, when the farking device in question doesn't actually work?
 
2014-05-18 04:54:44 PM

Krustofsky: Not like the horse is on steroids.


As far as we know
 
2014-05-18 04:57:40 PM
Who here has watched the Belmont when it *wasn't* for a shot at a Triple Crown?

They would be idiots to make this into a big deal.
 
2014-05-18 05:29:54 PM

baorao: Who here has watched the Belmont when it *wasn't* for a shot at a Triple Crown?

They would be idiots to make this into a big deal.


this.    They will be under extreme pressure to allow it and its my guess they will allow it.
 
2014-05-18 05:30:15 PM
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2014-05-18 06:21:22 PM

grimlock1972: baorao: Who here has watched the Belmont when it *wasn't* for a shot at a Triple Crown?

They would be idiots to make this into a big deal.

this.    They will be under extreme pressure to allow it and its my guess they will allow it.


Unless Belmont wants to cut its viewing audience by 2/3 and its handle in half...
 
2014-05-18 06:51:51 PM
Hey Belmont?  Churchill and Pimlico here on a conference call.  We want you to know that we completely support your need for purity in your racing decisions and that you have to do what you think is right.  Speaking of doing right, we are thinking it might be right to have a 'New Triple Crown' next year, bringing in some more of that California money, so the 2015 Triple Crown will be The Kentucky Derby, The Preakness, and , from Santa Anita, The 'Breathe Right-F*ck The Belmont' Stakes.  Same schedule even though that will conflict with your own.  Do you like how we incorporated the old name to carry over the tradition?
 
2014-05-18 06:51:58 PM

TheOther: grimlock1972: baorao: Who here has watched the Belmont when it *wasn't* for a shot at a Triple Crown?

They would be idiots to make this into a big deal.

this.    They will be under extreme pressure to allow it and its my guess they will allow it.

Unless Belmont wants to cut its viewing audience by 2/3 and its handle in half...


Seriously, I'm shocked the people running the Belmont stake have never tried to fix the Preakness in favor of the Derby winner.

Wait. That seems like it must have happened at some point.
 
2014-05-18 06:58:33 PM

bentleypm: The Gaming Commission would have to be a pack of jerkwads not to let him run with a nasal strip.  They don't need the ill will; they'll allow it.


To get this exemption, watch NBCU/Comcast start spending money like on a Koch binge.
 
2014-05-18 07:35:38 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 07:36:47 PM

twomutts: [img.fark.net image 300x300]

/must hurt like hell when you take it off


twomutts: [img.fark.net image 300x300]

/must hurt like hell when you take it off


Wow, Sarah Jessica Parker's doing box advertising now?
 
2014-05-18 07:54:40 PM

TommyDeuce: Wow, Sarah Jessica Parker's doing box advertising now?


I'd like to see her box advertising...

/would've hit SanDeE*
 
2014-05-18 08:10:55 PM
From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?
 
2014-05-18 08:17:55 PM

oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?


Horse racing is more rigged than boxing. There's probably never been a "legit" Triple Crown.
 
2014-05-18 08:22:01 PM
I mean Chrome has a 50/50 shot. He's either going to win it or lose it.
 
2014-05-18 08:25:37 PM

grimlock1972: baorao: Who here has watched the Belmont when it *wasn't* for a shot at a Triple Crown?

They would be idiots to make this into a big deal.

this.    They will be under extreme pressure to allow it and its my guess they will allow it.


They weren't going to allow it for I'll Have Another in 2012 (before he was scratched from the Belmont).  So I don't think any external pressure would matter.
 
2014-05-18 08:41:47 PM

oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?


Honest question: What is BS about it?
 
2014-05-18 08:50:19 PM

oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?


I don't pretend to know the strengths of any of the horses relative to Belmont, but I thought I'd hear that 4 of the top Derby finishers (Chrome included) are running the Belmont, whereas only Chrome and one other ran the Preakness.
 
2014-05-18 08:52:08 PM

oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?


Yes. He's already beaten the ones that have scratched. He doesn't have to do so twice.

As far as a non-rigged one goes, the two that come to mind as unlikely to be rigged are Secretariat in 1973 and Seattle Slew in 1977. No one was going to catch Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. If you've never seen it, it ranks as one of the greatest sporting moments ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCMtaNiMDM


Seattle Slew was a cheap horse, like CalChrome, with owners who were really out of the backwaters of racing.  There was a great deal of prejudice against the horse, his owners, and his jockey.  People were openly sneering at him, even as he peeled off win after win.  Racing people were praying that a 'good' horse would defeat him. No way. Slew wanted to win.  The announcer never once said "Triple Crown".
 
2014-05-18 09:00:47 PM

Bob Falfa: oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?

Honest question: What is BS about it?


If what I've heard is true, this is the most watered-down field in the history of the Triple Crown, there isn't a single horse that is a honest challenger to California Chrome. Every horse running finished 3rd -7th in the stakes races leading up to the Triple Crown, and the better horses aren't running. Maybe somebody can tell me why?
 
2014-05-18 09:05:21 PM

Khazar-Khum: oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?

Yes. He's already beaten the ones that have scratched. He doesn't have to do so twice.

As far as a non-rigged one goes, the two that come to mind as unlikely to be rigged are Secretariat in 1973 and Seattle Slew in 1977. No one was going to catch Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. If you've never seen it, it ranks as one of the greatest sporting moments ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCMtaNiMDM


Seattle Slew was a cheap horse, like CalChrome, with owners who were really out of the backwaters of racing.  There was a great deal of prejudice against the horse, his owners, and his jockey.  People were openly sneering at him, even as he peeled off win after win.  Racing people were praying that a 'good' horse would defeat him. No way. Slew wanted to win.  The announcer never once said "Triple Crown".


Secretariat was freaking INSANE, there was no doubt about it.

I'm talking about the fact that all the horses that can challenge CC have pulled out.
 
2014-05-18 09:21:19 PM

DrBenway: It's a shame that every state has its own little fiefdom where racing regulation is concerned.


Yes. It would be much better if the feds took control of everything, don't you think?

/There ya go, Republicans: I built you your strawman.
 
2014-05-18 09:22:22 PM
How about a pre race "belly-slap" like he was doing before the Preakness post-parade, will that be OK in Belmont?
 
2014-05-18 09:49:06 PM
Quote of the day:

"New York has gotten a lot better with common sense. It seems like a more rational place now."
 
2014-05-18 09:51:32 PM
Their New York human athletes they have no problem wearing them. But an animal? Whoa Nelly! Aw hell no!
 
2014-05-18 10:24:51 PM
I don't understand why people care about horses racing
 
2014-05-18 10:32:13 PM

UncleStumpy: I don't understand why people care about horses racing


It's often a surprise who the winner of a horse race will be.  With humans, it's almost always a Kenyan.
 
2014-05-18 11:26:25 PM
If the race goes on without the Breathe-Right-Horse™ strips, here's what could happen:

• 89.9% chance: his horse loses and he owns a stud worth millions of dollars.
• 10% chance: his horse wins and he owns a Triple Crown stud worth a few more millions of dollars.
• 0.1% chance: his horse breaks a leg and has to be euthanized on the track.

Adding in the magic nose strips increases his winning percentage by... what, 0.001%? But it would cost Belmont  tons of publicity and money, since as others have already pointed out, most people only watch it when there's a chance for a Triple Crown.

So my problem with this guy is that he's thinking way too small. He should be asking for a five-length head start.
 
2014-05-18 11:34:47 PM
And by "it would cost Belmont tons of publicity and money" I mean if the horse didn't show. Whereas it would cost the owner much less in expected value to send the horse straight to the stud farm. It would cost Belmont absolutely nothing (except a tiny bit of pride) to waive the nose-strip rule.
 
2014-05-19 12:03:50 AM

semiotix: If the race goes on without the Breathe-Right-Horse™ strips, here's what could happen:

• 89.9% chance: his horse loses and he owns a stud worth millions of dollars.
• 10% chance: his horse wins and he owns a Triple Crown stud worth a few more millions of dollars.
• 0.1% chance: his horse breaks a leg and has to be euthanized on the track.

Adding in the magic nose strips increases his winning percentage by... what, 0.001%? But it would cost Belmont  tons of publicity and money, since as others have already pointed out, most people only watch it when there's a chance for a Triple Crown.

So my problem with this guy is that he's thinking way too small. He should be asking for a five-length head start.


The claims for the Breathe Right strips are physiologically improbable. There's certainly no evidence that they have any effect in peoplebeyond that of any other placebo. I doubt that horses are subject to the placebo effect, as they have no clue what's being done or why in the first place, nor any way of gaining one. Thus, you have no hope of lying to them, either. The horse is actually helped an infinitesimal amount by the absence of the device, as it cuts the weight he's carrying by a gram or two. All involved should be forced to walk around in public wearing dunce caps for the next few weeks.
 
2014-05-19 12:08:48 AM

forgotmydamnusername: I doubt that horses are subject to the placebo effect,


You don't know anything about horse training or interspecies communication, do you? Even if the only effect these devices have is on the mind of the trainer or jockey that can have a huge impact on the horse. Horse are herd animals and they can and will respond to signals from others in the herd. A confident jockey can make a more confident horse and a more confident horse is a relaxed horse who runs better.
 
2014-05-19 12:13:30 AM

oh_please: Khazar-Khum: oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?

Yes. He's already beaten the ones that have scratched. He doesn't have to do so twice.

As far as a non-rigged one goes, the two that come to mind as unlikely to be rigged are Secretariat in 1973 and Seattle Slew in 1977. No one was going to catch Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. If you've never seen it, it ranks as one of the greatest sporting moments ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCMtaNiMDM


Seattle Slew was a cheap horse, like CalChrome, with owners who were really out of the backwaters of racing.  There was a great deal of prejudice against the horse, his owners, and his jockey.  People were openly sneering at him, even as he peeled off win after win.  Racing people were praying that a 'good' horse would defeat him. No way. Slew wanted to win.  The announcer never once said "Triple Crown".

Secretariat was freaking INSANE, there was no doubt about it.

I'm talking about the fact that all the horses that can challenge CC have pulled out.


Fun fact: Secretariat was a physical freak. His heart was over twice the size of a normal horse's. His stride angle and length were out there, too.

Ride On Curlin, Social Inclusion, Wicked Strong, Danza, and Commanding Curve are all in.
 
2014-05-19 12:17:06 AM

Khazar-Khum: No one was going to catch Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. If you've never seen it, it ranks as one of the greatest sporting moments ever.


Farkin' A THIS. Still get chills every time I watch it (which is dozens of times)
 
2014-05-19 12:30:55 AM

oh_please: Bob Falfa: oh_please: From what I've heard, this is the biggest BS Triple Crown run ever. It seems like the owners who have a shot at beating California Chrome have pulled out, that's why he's a 3-5 favorite. If/when CC wins it, will it be considered a "legit" Triple Crown?

Honest question: What is BS about it?

If what I've heard is true, this is the most watered-down field in the history of the Triple Crown, there isn't a single horse that is a honest challenger to California Chrome. Every horse running finished 3rd -7th in the stakes races leading up to the Triple Crown, and the better horses aren't running. Maybe somebody can tell me why?


I don't know where you're hearing things, but you're hearing things. Right off the top, Ride on Curlin (placed in the Preakness), was 2nd in the Arkansas Derby, and the horse that beat it there, Danza, is likely to run at Belmont too. So your 3rd-7th bit is already shot. Beyond that, the idea that no-one can challenge a horse that will be running 1/4 mile longer than it ever has before is just silly.
 
2014-05-19 12:35:18 AM

UncleStumpy: I don't understand why people care about horses racing


When done on the level, it is supremely entertaining. The "Sport of Kings" indeed. Unfortunately, much like boxing, corruption has removed the veneer of integrity that once made it a grand spectacle. It's a pity.
 
2014-05-19 12:54:54 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: UncleStumpy: I don't understand why people care about horses racing

When done on the level, it is supremely entertaining. The "Sport of Kings" indeed. Unfortunately, much like boxing, corruption has removed the veneer of integrity that once made it a grand spectacle. It's a pity.


At this point, all it is is Something To Bet On. You take away the Triple Crown, nobody is having anything to do with horse racing without a betting slip in their hand. That includes the Breeder's Cup. Nobody gives a damn about the Breeder's Cup except for looking to see if anyone made $Texas betting on it. There's far less 'what a beautiful, magnificent horse' than 'woo, that horse just made me $100 in the 5th! What was its name again?'
 
2014-05-19 12:57:30 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: UncleStumpy: I don't understand why people care about horses racing

When done on the level, it is supremely entertaining. The "Sport of Kings" indeed. Unfortunately, much like boxing, corruption has removed the veneer of integrity that once made it a grand spectacle. It's a pity.


In its heyday, the Mafia ran boxing. Don King, or Bob Arum, or Richard Schaefer's bullshiat looks clean by comparison. I doubt the situation with horse racing is any different.
 
2014-05-19 01:25:27 AM
This will bring so much money to New York. I can't believe they will not allow it.
 
2014-05-19 01:44:04 AM

John Buck 41: Khazar-Khum: No one was going to catch Secretariat in the 1973 Belmont. If you've never seen it, it ranks as one of the greatest sporting moments ever.

Farkin' A THIS. Still get chills every time I watch it (which is dozens of times)


I watched it live on TV as a kid. It was surreal to watch. The announcer is so overawed and amazed that it just makes it thrilling. I don't think it will ever grow old.
 
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