unyon: Marcus Aurelius: I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.Believe it.
Marcus Aurelius: I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Eirik: TV's Vinnie: This story smells a lot like Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bullsh*t.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/lind a_ taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villa in.html
TV's Vinnie: WTF is so very wrong with that family? Defective chromazone? Gypsy curse?
BizarreMan: unyon: Marcus Aurelius: I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.Believe it.Beliebe it.
Benevolent Misanthrope: It's a little more complicated than that, subby.I watched the neighbourhood I grew up in completely changed by a "multi-treatment facility". It was a quiet place, people were nice, we kids could play outside, nobody got broken in on... nice neighbourhood. Very suburban. Then, we got a group home. What can I say - mentally ill teenagers act out. Within 3 months, there were break-ins, cars keyed, fights in the alleyway, teenage kids on "free time" terrorizing the kids from the neighbourhood, cops being called day and night, ambulances pulling up day and night... it did ruin the neighbourhood. The first argument from the workers was that everyone were just prejudiced against the mentally ill, and no one could prove it was "their" kids doing that stuff. So some neighbours got security cameras and caught the little bastards red-handed. Then the tune changed to "need for tolerance and understanding". But it's hard to be tolerant when your home has lost thousands in value and your family no longer feel safe. And even if the kid got sent to juvie, another one came in. The behaviours didn't change.So, yes - if I'd spent 30 years paying off a mortgage on a house in a nice neighbourhood, and those kinds of behaviours started happening because a group home came in, I'd be pissed off, too.That said, there is a need for better mental health services, especially for juveniles. I'd like to see a tiered approach by which more levels are added, so that the kids who are placed in group homes in nicer neighbourhoods are ready to function socially there. But maybe we should concentrate on actually offering mental health services first.
TV's Vinnie: Because prices in 2014 are the same as they were in 1980 (rolls eyes).
moeburn: From how I understand it, if you leave an autistic person alone, they will leave you alone. They don't like people.
Eirik: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1970_2019USb_15s2 li 111mcn_40t_40_Welfare_Spending_Chart#viewHey, you're right. According to this chart of federal welfare spending I found over the last 40 years, Welfare spending was slashed from $95.4 billion in 1980 (the last year of the Carter Administration) down to a paltry $146.69 in 1988.Must be the new math.
Monkeyhouse Zendo: moeburn: I thought we were talking about a house for 5 autistic kids, not a group home for troubled teens?Ever been attacked by an autistic kid? My friends kid is autistic and pretty okay most of the time but one time when the mom was visiting he went from zero the feral in about two seconds. Full on primate biting, scratching, feral rage. He also got thrown out of the local school's special ed program when he bit one of the handlers so hard the woman had to go to the hospital for stitches.They're not all Rain Man.
moeburn: I thought we were talking about a house for 5 autistic kids, not a group home for troubled teens?
Benevolent Misanthrope: No, that's not my meaning and stop intentionally taking out of context.Group homes are placed in quiet, peaceful neighbourhoods so that the kids can have that kind of environment to positively influence them. Also to help them adapt to life in society at large rather than in an institution. There should be more help for them to acclimate before they are thrown into a social situation they are unprepared for. Even a nicer neighbourhood situation - it would be helpful to both sets of stakeholders, the kids and the neighbourhood.Sure, IMBY. As long as they don't rip off my stuff or otherwise act in unacceptable ways with impunity.
SecretAgentWoman: But the bad ones can go to the bad neighborhoods freely? NIMBY is crap. It doesn't matter location, it obviously matters what treatment and services these kids are getting. Sounds like they need more of both, and better supervision.
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