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(Globe and Mail)   "You can't destroy a community like this. My heart goes out to kids with autism. But no one told me they'd be leaving the house"   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 33
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2014-05-18 01:04:40 PM  
9 votes:

unyon: Marcus Aurelius: I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Believe it.


Beliebe it.
2014-05-18 01:12:16 PM  
6 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.


You haven't been in the NHL playoff threads, have you.
2014-05-18 09:10:33 PM  
3 votes:
I'm gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off, autistics don't rule the night. They don't rule it. Nobody does. And they don't run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don't lock eyes with 'em, don't do it. Puts 'em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming "No, no, no" and all they hear is "Who wants cake?" Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.
2014-05-18 02:05:22 PM  
3 votes:
I know how to solve this: let's put these kids in purpose-built facilities, we'll call them "camps". Then to make sure they can't bother the neighbors, let's put up a barrier, we'll call it a "fence". To keep them from escaping we can put people, we'll call them "guards", in taller structures so they can see what's going on, those we will call "guard-towers".
2014-05-18 03:12:13 PM  
2 votes:
Has anyone thought about giving the group home a supply of Haribo sugar free gummy bears?

That'd keep the kids under control.
2014-05-18 03:04:29 PM  
2 votes:

Eirik: TV's Vinnie: This story smells a lot like Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bullsh*t.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/lind a_ taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villa in.html


Black woman in the ghetto games the welfare system: OMG WELFARE QUEEN! MOOCHERS! LEECHES! SHUT DOWN ALL WELFARE AND TOSS EVERYONE OUT! EVEN THE INNOCENT!!

Fat Rich White CEO games the stock market and makes billions: What a wonderful job creator you are. here, have some more tax cuts and a government subsidy.
2014-05-18 02:39:22 PM  
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: WTF is so very wrong with that family? Defective chromazone? Gypsy curse?


It sure wasn't thinner.
2014-05-18 02:01:43 PM  
2 votes:
You know what I don't want in my neighbourhood? Violent, racist, drunk-driving crackheads. Sadly, I live in Toronto.
2014-05-18 01:27:07 PM  
2 votes:

BizarreMan: unyon: Marcus Aurelius: I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Believe it.

Beliebe it.


His only redeeming quality is a face I want to mouth-fark. That's it. 

/Bieber, not Doug Ford
2014-05-18 09:59:06 AM  
2 votes:
I had no idea that there were Canadians that were utterly horrible people without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.
2014-05-18 08:42:33 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's a little more complicated than that,  subby.

I watched the neighbourhood I grew up in completely changed by a "multi-treatment facility".  It was a quiet place, people were nice, we kids could play outside, nobody got broken in on... nice neighbourhood.  Very suburban.  Then, we got a group home.  What can I say - mentally ill teenagers act out.  Within 3 months, there were break-ins, cars keyed, fights in the alleyway, teenage kids on "free time" terrorizing the kids from the neighbourhood, cops being called day and night, ambulances pulling up day and night... it did ruin the neighbourhood.  The first argument from the workers was that everyone were just prejudiced against the mentally ill, and no one could prove it was "their" kids doing that stuff.  So some neighbours got security cameras and caught the little bastards red-handed.  Then the tune changed to "need for tolerance and understanding".  But it's hard to be tolerant when your home has lost thousands in value and your family no longer feel safe.  And even if the kid got sent to juvie, another one came in.  The behaviours didn't change.

So, yes - if I'd spent 30 years paying off a mortgage on a house in a nice neighbourhood, and those kinds of behaviours started happening because a group home came in, I'd be pissed off, too.

That said, there is a need for better mental health services, especially for juveniles.  I'd like to see a tiered approach by which more levels are added, so that the kids who are placed in group homes in nicer neighbourhoods are ready to function socially there.  But maybe we should concentrate on actually offering mental health services first.


This is fark where very few people own homes or have any idea what things like this will do to property values. You are going to get roasted for not being "tolerant" enough. But don't feel bad because the crowd on here that comes out to beat on you won't ever own property anyway, so you're far ahead of them from that standpoint.

That said, I used to work for a non-profit that held level 4 & 5 juvenile offenders. We actually had a group home in a residential neighborhood for a time, but had to move the kids out because of incidents like you describe. Everyone wants to put these kids in a residential setting when, at times, it just isn't appropriate. We had sex offenders in our group home and the final straw happened when one of our kids was arrested after trying to molest a younger neighborhood boy.

I know, there will be people who will attack me for this post as well, but I think if it happened to be your kid who was on the receiving end, you might think differently. And yes, our social workers thought our kids were mainly just misunderstood. In some cases they were right. Most of our kids were victims of abuse themselves and the stories about them were heartbreaking. Even so, they didn't need to live in a neighborhood setting.
2014-05-18 07:01:37 PM  
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Because prices in 2014 are the same as they were in 1980 (rolls eyes).


Not only can I not read, but I'm very, very sympathetic to the plight of the poor! Look how I white knight (some of) them! *refuses to tip*
2014-05-18 06:42:58 PM  
1 votes:
We had one of those autistic kids next at the table next to us at breakfast this morning. He had the arm brace crutches, and the big shoes, and the bib, the whole deal. I feel bad for his condition, but he really did ruin our enjoyment of the crepes.
2014-05-18 06:32:25 PM  
1 votes:

moeburn: From how I understand it, if you leave an autistic person alone, they will leave you alone.  They don't like people.


Their vision is based upon motion. It's important that you keep absolutely still.
2014-05-18 05:23:48 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's a little more complicated than that,  subby.

I watched the neighbourhood I grew up in completely changed by a "multi-treatment facility".  It was a quiet place, people were nice, we kids could play outside, nobody got broken in on... nice neighbourhood.  Very suburban.  Then, we got a group home.  What can I say - mentally ill teenagers act out.  Within 3 months, there were break-ins, cars keyed, fights in the alleyway, teenage kids on "free time" terrorizing the kids from the neighbourhood, cops being called day and night, ambulances pulling up day and night... it did ruin the neighbourhood.  The first argument from the workers was that everyone were just prejudiced against the mentally ill, and no one could prove it was "their" kids doing that stuff.  So some neighbours got security cameras and caught the little bastards red-handed.  Then the tune changed to "need for tolerance and understanding".  But it's hard to be tolerant when your home has lost thousands in value and your family no longer feel safe.  And even if the kid got sent to juvie, another one came in.  The behaviours didn't change.

So, yes - if I'd spent 30 years paying off a mortgage on a house in a nice neighbourhood, and those kinds of behaviours started happening because a group home came in, I'd be pissed off, too.

That said, there is a need for better mental health services, especially for juveniles.  I'd like to see a tiered approach by which more levels are added, so that the kids who are placed in group homes in nicer neighbourhoods are ready to function socially there.  But maybe we should concentrate on actually offering mental health services first.


All of this. Also, a medical establishment doesn't really belong in a neighborhood anyway, especially with emergency vehicles there all hours of the day and night. There's no reason these sorts of places can't be near other medical establishments or industrial areas instead of neighborhoods.
2014-05-18 02:58:35 PM  
1 votes:

Eirik: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1970_2019USb_15s2 li 111mcn_40t_40_Welfare_Spending_Chart#view

Hey, you're right.  According to this chart of federal welfare spending I found over the last 40 years, Welfare spending was slashed from $95.4 billion in 1980 (the last year of the Carter Administration) down to a paltry $146.69 in 1988.

Must be the new math.


Time value of money and per capita spending, HOW DOES IT WORK.
2014-05-18 02:35:11 PM  
1 votes:

Eirik: TV's Vinnie: This story smells a lot like Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bullsh*t.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/lind a_ taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villa in.html


So of course, the Reagan solution was "cut off welfare for EVERYBODY, even the innocent!".
2014-05-18 02:27:40 PM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: moeburn: I thought we were talking about a house for 5 autistic kids, not a group home for troubled teens?

Ever been attacked by an autistic kid? My friends kid is autistic and pretty okay most of the time but one time when the mom was visiting he went from zero the feral in about two seconds. Full on primate biting, scratching, feral rage. He also got thrown out of the local school's special ed program when he bit one of the handlers so hard the woman had to go to the hospital for stitches.

They're not all Rain Man.


So they get bitey? ZOMBIE AUTISTICS! So if an autistic kid becomes a zombie I wonder if the autism will negate some of the zombie symptoms. You still get a zombie and all but possibly articulate and not as jerky.
2014-05-18 02:02:50 PM  
1 votes:

moeburn: I thought we were talking about a house for 5 autistic kids, not a group home for troubled teens?


Ever been attacked by an autistic kid? My friends kid is autistic and pretty okay most of the time but one time when the mom was visiting he went from zero the feral in about two seconds. Full on primate biting, scratching, feral rage. He also got thrown out of the local school's special ed program when he bit one of the handlers so hard the woman had to go to the hospital for stitches.

They're not all Rain Man.
2014-05-18 01:53:56 PM  
1 votes:
I usually don't advocate for savage, vigilante street justice a la a Jean Claude Van Dam Movie.

Usually.
2014-05-18 01:48:55 PM  
1 votes:
I live two blocks from a homeless shelter. We receive maybe 3-5 sex offender notices per week. I'll trade you.
2014-05-18 01:47:21 PM  
1 votes:
It does seem like this ford guy is atleast familiar with mental instability
2014-05-18 01:45:33 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure there is more to this story than we are hearing.

The kids parents farktards since they let him get autism so who knows what else is going on with that family.
2014-05-18 01:43:03 PM  
1 votes:
It would be best for the ford bros if THEY were in a group home of some sort
2014-05-18 01:38:29 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: No, that's not my meaning and stop intentionally taking out of context.Group homes are placed in quiet, peaceful neighbourhoods so that the kids can have that kind of environment to positively influence them. Also to help them adapt to life in society at large rather than in an institution. There should be more help for them to acclimate before they are thrown into a social situation they are unprepared for. Even a nicer neighbourhood situation - it would be helpful to both sets of stakeholders, the kids and the neighbourhood.Sure, IMBY. As long as they don't rip off my stuff or otherwise act in unacceptable ways with impunity.


I'm with you. People acting like it's a travesty to even bring up any negative impacts such a home has on a neighborhood are just as bad as Ford. If you want to have a dialog then everything needs to be on the table for discussion. The moment you start shouting people down for bringing up an uncomfortable fact it's no longer an honest discussion.
2014-05-18 01:36:08 PM  
1 votes:
Ford, whose ward is in the west-end, is quoted as saying it was unacceptable to have emergency vehicles parked on the street outside the home and that the home should be relocated. "You've ruined the community," Ford is quoted by the Guardian as telling the facility's staff.

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2014-05-18 01:33:16 PM  
1 votes:
Are there no workhouses?
2014-05-18 01:26:22 PM  
1 votes:
TV's Vinnie:

This story smells a lot like Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bullsh*t.

I suppose you wouldn't be happy until all those kids were sent off to leper colonies.


Holy shiat.  Someone lays out a completely rational argument about this issue and this is your response?

Not every kid with developmental issues is sweet and nice as they are portrayed on TV and internet glurge stories.  Some of these kids have serious, deep-rooted problems.  He is absolutely on the money that more mental health care is needed in North America.
2014-05-18 01:24:44 PM  
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: WTF is so very wrong with that family? Defective chromazone? Gypsy curse?


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2014-05-18 01:18:37 PM  
1 votes:
WTF is so very wrong with that family? Defective chromazone? Gypsy curse?
2014-05-18 01:17:36 PM  
1 votes:
Ford is quoted as saying it was unacceptable to have emergency vehicles parked on the street outside the home

Ok well you can quote me saying the same thing. I can still remember every time I've seen that happen while I'm trying to sleep, and I'm sure it's unsettling if it happens during the day. Of course this is a bad idea.

I've never understood how NIMBY became a bad word.
2014-05-18 01:16:11 PM  
1 votes:

SecretAgentWoman: But the bad ones can go to the bad neighborhoods freely? NIMBY is crap. It doesn't matter location, it obviously matters what treatment and services these kids are getting. Sounds like they need more of both, and better supervision.


I was more thinking islands.
2014-05-18 09:17:04 AM  
1 votes:
HEY DOUG.  NOW YOU KNOW HOW ROB'S NEIGHBOURS FEEL.

He just doubled down on CP24 about the property values going down $100k.
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What an asshat.
 
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