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(TreeHugger)   More people suffer serious head injuries in car accidents than in bike accidents. So why do all the mandatory helmet laws only target bicyclists?   (treehugger.com) divider line 169
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2014-05-18 02:37:15 AM
*facepalm*
Just get in the corner and stay there, subby.
 
2014-05-18 02:56:51 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: *facepalm*
Just get in the corner and stay there, subby.


I don't have the citations on hand (it's Saturday night, cut me some slack) but a car and a bicycle are equally likely to give you a head injury per mile traveled, and a bicycle helmet would prevent a lot of head injuries in cars, but we dismiss the idea as ridiculous for cultural reasons.

I always wear a helmet when I ride on the streets, mostly because my brother had his life saved by a helmet when he was young and I think it models good behavior for kids. But really, requiring people to wear helmets in cars makes as much sense as requiring them to wear them on bikes.

Now, motorcycle head injuries are way beyond car/bicycle head injuries, and I definitely support mandatory helmet laws for them.
 
2014-05-18 03:23:55 AM
I think riders of two wheeled vehicles should always ride in nothing but a thong
 
2014-05-18 03:32:19 AM
Perhaps they address them by seatbelt laws....
 
2014-05-18 03:41:09 AM
People should be required to wear helmets when going to the toilet.

/snark
 
2014-05-18 04:42:00 AM
I don't understand why helmets are required for adults. Yes, you could be seriously hurt and brain damaged from a fall off of a bike. Then again, you could just as easily choose to stay home and drink Draino. So much in this world COULD happen, why should we mandate that certain events be safeguarded against while others which are equal or greater risks are not?
 
2014-05-18 04:43:33 AM
If Michael Schumacher hadn't been wearing a helmet while skiing, he'd probably be dead now instead of in a coma.
 
2014-05-18 07:05:29 AM
More people suffer serious head injuries in car accidents than in bike accidents.

Ah, another lesson in how to lie with statistics.

How many car accidents occur every year?  How many multiple-passenger cars are there?  In the USA alone, hundreds of thousands, if not millions?  How many bicycle accidents? A few thousand?  So does it stand to reason that there are more head injuries in car accidents than head injuries in bike accidents?

Why am I bothering to type this since you're just trolling anyway.
 
2014-05-18 07:49:21 AM
One of my Facebook "friends" posted a link to this the other day. He's always "that guy". He's a vegan, anti-GMO, anti global warming, anti bike lane (I don't quite get how that works but apparently they make cycling more dangerous through some twisted logic).

A while back he posted an excellent piece about how a lot of people believe things that aren't scientifically factual and since then he hasn't posted a single thing about GMO. Pretty sure I heard an audible *click*.

It's kind of a shame because for the longest time all I ever had to do to know the right answer to something was to pick the opposite of what he was saying. Oh well, all good things and all that.

/csb
 
2014-05-18 07:59:59 AM

doglover: I don't understand why helmets are required for adults. Yes, you could be seriously hurt and brain damaged from a fall off of a bike. Then again, you could just as easily choose to stay home and drink Draino. So much in this world COULD happen, why should we mandate that certain events be safeguarded against while others which are equal or greater risks are not?


My inner libertarian tends to agree, but on the other hand you know we're all paying for these idiots who crack their skulls open and have to undergo tens of thousands of dollars worth of medical treatment.
 
2014-05-18 08:49:07 AM
You sir are dumb, and your will never stop being dumb.

Shese.
 
2014-05-18 08:51:04 AM

Earguy: More people suffer serious head injuries in car accidents than in bike accidents.

Ah, another lesson in how to lie with statistics.

How many car accidents occur every year?  How many multiple-passenger cars are there?  In the USA alone, hundreds of thousands, if not millions?  How many bicycle accidents? A few thousand?  So does it stand to reason that there are more head injuries in car accidents than head injuries in bike accidents?

Why am I bothering to type this since you're just trolling anyway.


Yeah, this.
 
2014-05-18 09:08:22 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: *facepalm*


Clearly, some sort of face protection is necessary. And -- depending on how delicate your hand is -- maybe gloves.
 
2014-05-18 09:11:15 AM

baka-san: You sir are dumb, and your will never stop being dumb.

Shese.


1/10 or 10/10.

I just can't tell any more.
 
2014-05-18 09:11:29 AM
A couple months ago, I saw a guy wearing an open face motorcycle helmet while driving his car on the highway. Was on my way to work, and I suppose he was to. Was the only time I can remember seeing that outside of a motorcar race.

/csb
 
2014-05-18 09:11:46 AM
Treehugger...of course.

Here's subby's helmet:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-18 09:12:01 AM

nekom: doglover: I don't understand why helmets are required for adults. Yes, you could be seriously hurt and brain damaged from a fall off of a bike. Then again, you could just as easily choose to stay home and drink Draino. So much in this world COULD happen, why should we mandate that certain events be safeguarded against while others which are equal or greater risks are not?

My inner libertarian tends to agree, but on the other hand you know we're all paying for these idiots who crack their skulls open and have to undergo tens of thousands of dollars worth of medical treatment.


We're paying for everyone eventually anyway.
 
2014-05-18 09:14:27 AM
Hah, I'm just picturing guys in hummers driving around with retard helmets on and it's making me happy.
 
2014-05-18 09:16:08 AM
Maybe I'm clueless, but where in the world is it required that an adult wear a helmet to ride a bicycle?  I ride a lot and sometimes go without a lid.  My reasoning is I want to feel the wind blow through my hair once more, before it's gone.
 
2014-05-18 09:17:47 AM
Well, let's see here:

It used to be that most life threatening injuries in car accidents could be prevented by simply wearing seat belt.  So we mandated that.  The most common life threatening injuries on a bike could be solved by wearing helmets, so we started mandating that too.

You're never going to eliminate ALL risk to anything ever.  But I think we can try to fix the obvious ones.

/oh, and there are a lot more people in cars than there are riding bikes, thus a larger number of injured
//but that's too obvious to say, right Subby?
 
2014-05-18 09:18:11 AM
if you need a law to get you to wear a helmet...it may be too late
 
2014-05-18 09:18:23 AM

doglover: We're paying for everyone eventually anyway.


I haven't heard that one before. It's not really a good show-stopper comeback, though, since there is a difference between "we all pay for everyone's last ambulance ride" and "we all pay for sixty years of this dipshiat as a parapalegic because FREEDOM"
 
2014-05-18 09:19:15 AM
I think everyone should be required to wear a helmet at all times, no matter what they're doing.

That would be hilarious.
 
2014-05-18 09:21:59 AM
I think mandatory helmet laws (for motorcycles) suck.

Having said that, I've had three low speed dumps - I wouldn't go so far as to say crashes - and hit my head each time.  I don't even remember hitting my head but the scratches on my helmet told me I did.  So i almost always wear my helmet.  The only exception is very short rides where it's legal.
 
2014-05-18 09:22:18 AM

oa330_man: Maybe I'm clueless, but where in the world is it required that an adult wear a helmet to ride a bicycle?  I ride a lot and sometimes go without a lid.  My reasoning is I want to feel the wind blow through my hair once more, before it's gone.


I know in a lot of places in Europe while I lived there required helmets.  Though it was mostly in the cities.  You get outside the city, although I'm sure the laws still sad you were supposed to I think a lot less people cared.  But then, the cops in the cities could give less than a shiat about any of that anyway. As long as you weren't actively killing a person or a gypsy, they would just wave and walk on by.
 
2014-05-18 09:24:56 AM

Shadowknight: As long as you weren't actively killing a person or a gypsy,


This came off unfortunately wrong.  I didn't mean that gypsies weren't people.  I meant that police saw a gypsy, or someone they deemed to be gypsy-like, and they were immediately treated with suspicion.  Spain was a weird place sometimes.

/that bit of racism aside, I loved the country and their bike-friendly ways
 
2014-05-18 09:26:09 AM

loser0: doglover: We're paying for everyone eventually anyway.

I haven't heard that one before. It's not really a good show-stopper comeback, though, since there is a difference between "we all pay for everyone's last ambulance ride" and "we all pay for sixty years of this dipshiat as a parapalegic because FREEDOM"


Helmets don't really prevent spinal injuries.

They're more to make sure that, if you survive, your brains aren't scrambled.
 
2014-05-18 09:27:26 AM

Barfmaker: One of my Facebook "friends" posted a link to this the other day. He's always "that guy". He's a vegan, anti-GMO, anti global warming, anti bike lane (I don't quite get how that works but apparently they make cycling more dangerous through some twisted logic).

A while back he posted an excellent piece about how a lot of people believe things that aren't scientifically factual and since then he hasn't posted a single thing about GMO. Pretty sure I heard an audible *click*.

It's kind of a shame because for the longest time all I ever had to do to know the right answer to something was to pick the opposite of what he was saying. Oh well, all good things and all that.

/csb


No. Not a cool story. It went from bicycles to GMOs for no rhyme or reason. Does Monsanto issue you your paychecks?
 
2014-05-18 09:27:38 AM
yea?  you shouldn't have to wear a helmet.

 and when you crack your skull, the taxpayer shouldn't have to treat you.
 
2014-05-18 09:28:16 AM
I ain't getting any head injury when I'm stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

On the flip side, I regularly biked to work in Japan where the streets are narrower, and never thought much of it.  Yet when I climb on a bicycle here in America I feel completely defenseless.  Not only is there often nowhere to go, it's just how the cars move -- I can tell nobody's paying attention.  I definitely wear a helmet every time I climb on a bike and even then I feel it's not enough.

American drivers are bad.
 
2014-05-18 09:32:39 AM

Nick Nostril: A couple months ago, I saw a guy wearing an open face motorcycle helmet while driving his car on the highway. Was on my way to work, and I suppose he was to. Was the only time I can remember seeing that outside of a motorcar race.

/csb


There are post-op rehab helmets some people have to wear for a while after accidents or brain surgery.

Or he was just odd.
 
2014-05-18 09:33:25 AM
They should wear condoms too.  For protection.
 
2014-05-18 09:35:26 AM
If you're going to ask that question, then stop calling car drivers "cagers".
 
2014-05-18 09:35:53 AM

neongoats: Hah, I'm just picturing guys in hummers driving around with retard helmets on and it's making me happy.



I did a GIS for "retard helmet" and came up with, well...

weaselzippers.us
 
2014-05-18 09:37:03 AM

oa330_man: Maybe I'm clueless, but where in the world is it required that an adult wear a helmet to ride a bicycle?


Most municipalities... in other words, most places that people (in the USA) live.
 
2014-05-18 09:40:18 AM
My inner libertarian tends to agree, but on the other hand you know we're all paying for these idiots who crack their skulls open and have to undergo tens of thousands of dollars worth of medical treatment.

Just think of how much money we could save if we forced fatties to diet, avoiding the huge medical costs of their cancer/diabetes/cardiac issues, and prevented people who can't afford kids to not have them, thus reducing juvenile delinquency problems, and so forth.

Helmet/seatbelt laws are the thin edge of the wedge. The TOP of the Slippery Slope. Establishing the right of the government to control your personal behavior for the indirect benefit of society. Because of that, these laws should be vigorously opposed and eliminated. Not because seatbelts and helmets are bad ideas (they aren't), but because of the dangers presented by the precedent  of letting the government regulate behavior by individuals that do not directly affect anybody else's rights or privileges.

Where does the slope stop? Government review/approval of all your life choices? After all, your success in life indirectly impacts the rest of society. Society benefits from productivity, and pays for your mistakes.

/Wore seatbelts as soon as they became available in 1965
//my dad looked at me and said "What? You don't trust my driving?"
///I don't wear a helmet while bike riding, and I wear a Top Hat whilst Foxhunting, 'cause I live for danger
 
2014-05-18 09:42:34 AM
We already have seatbelt laws, which are the car equivalent to helmet laws.  I'd be interested to see if seatbelts and helmets save money, I've always heard the anecdotal evidence that they can cause more money spent, as people without helmets (specifically motorcycles) and seatbelts are more likely to die and not need critical care.  No idea if true, but I'm ok with it being a personal choice/risk.
 
2014-05-18 09:44:50 AM
You mean airbags? Some cars have 8 or more.
 
2014-05-18 09:45:54 AM
RYE OR DIE

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-05-18 09:47:50 AM

Nick Nostril: A couple months ago, I saw a guy wearing an open face motorcycle helmet while driving his car on the highway. Was on my way to work, and I suppose he was to. Was the only time I can remember seeing that outside of a motorcar race.

/csb


I see those a lot, and I always wonder about bugs in teeth. Because ew.
 
2014-05-18 09:49:54 AM

GDubDub: baka-san: You sir are dumb, and your will never stop being dumb.

Shese.

1/10 or 10/10.

I just can't tell any more.


Quickly typed and submitted apparently with the need to check what little was written.  Probably done in hopes of instigating a response (i.e. troll) rather than vitriol.

In short, the type of person who needs to wear a helmet while type.  You can never be too safe.
 
2014-05-18 09:51:36 AM

KidneyStone: I think mandatory helmet laws (for motorcycles) suck.

Having said that, I've had three low speed dumps - I wouldn't go so far as to say crashes - and hit my head each time.  I don't even remember hitting my head but the scratches on my helmet told me I did.  So i almost always wear my helmet.  The only exception is very short rides where it's legal.


So did this guy.
 
2014-05-18 09:53:17 AM

CruJones: We already have seatbelt laws, which are the car equivalent to helmet laws.  I'd be interested to see if seatbelts and helmets save money, I've always heard the anecdotal evidence that they can cause more money spent, as people without helmets (specifically motorcycles) and seatbelts are more likely to die and not need critical care.  No idea if true, but I'm ok with it being a personal choice/risk.


It's complicated..depending how you look at the problem,

http://www.cycle-helmets.com/results.html

Of course the is the land down under. Where just about everything is out to kill you.
 
2014-05-18 09:54:46 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: CruJones: We already have seatbelt laws, which are the car equivalent to helmet laws.  I'd be interested to see if seatbelts and helmets save money, I've always heard the anecdotal evidence that they can cause more money spent, as people without helmets (specifically motorcycles) and seatbelts are more likely to die and not need critical care.  No idea if true, but I'm ok with it being a personal choice/risk.

It's complicated..depending how you look at the problem,

http://www.cycle-helmets.com/results.html

Of course the is the land down under. Where just about everything is out to kill you.


Yeah they need to legislate power armor suits in that place.
 
2014-05-18 09:54:49 AM
When they started using steel helmets in WW1, head/brain injuries were more prevalent.
 
2014-05-18 09:55:15 AM
A five point harness and a roll cage would probably save a few lives, too.
 
2014-05-18 09:58:14 AM
They should just put seatbelts on bikes, that should save a lot of injuries.
 
2014-05-18 10:00:47 AM
doglover:
We're paying for everyone eventually anyway.

Absolutely true.  So the question I guess is whether it's right for society to make certain idiotic things illegal to mitigate overall cost, or whether individual liberty trumps that.  Clearly neither extreme seems proper, so it's a question of where the middle ground is.
 
2014-05-18 10:02:18 AM
Any law that has to do with personal safety only and won't affect anyone else should just be dropped, then we can let survival of the fittest take over. Helmets and seatbelts mostly. I mean if they don't wear them they are only hurting themselves. The idiots that die because they dont wear them? Oh well, so sad.... Those smart enough to wear them will live on. Same with all sorts of stuff like safety glasses, hard hats, respirators..... They don't wanna wear them fine. Ain't gonna effect me none. That's why the world is going to hell is because of all these laws protecting stupid people and now said stupid people get to live on to make more stupid people. These laws are messing with the natural order of things and have to stop.
 
2014-05-18 10:04:17 AM

Shadowknight: Shadowknight: As long as you weren't actively killing a person or a gypsy,

This came off unfortunately wrong.  I didn't mean that gypsies weren't people.  I meant that police saw a gypsy, or someone they deemed to be gypsy-like, and they were immediately treated with suspicion.  Spain was a weird place sometimes.

/that bit of racism aside, I loved the country and their bike-friendly ways


The first one was much, much funnier, the Gypsy Anti-Defimation League not withstanding.
 
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