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2014-05-18 08:06:51 AM
He fixed the cable?
 
2014-05-18 08:07:49 AM
"Phoenix police spokesman Officer James Holmes said the man had a gun on his hip and it went off."

Translation: Irresponsible gun owner acts irresponsibly, faces zero legal consequences.
 
2014-05-18 08:09:13 AM
If only a good guy with a gun had been there to stop him.
 
2014-05-18 08:09:14 AM
Is there something wrong with that?  Should I not have done that?
 
2014-05-18 08:10:16 AM
He farks your mom?
 
2014-05-18 08:11:51 AM
600 post Fark thread?
 
Rat
2014-05-18 08:12:56 AM
So the gun looked up at him and said "here, hold my beer and watch the other shoppers panic"?

 
2014-05-18 08:14:05 AM
Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"
 
2014-05-18 08:20:23 AM

Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"

 
2014-05-18 08:20:30 AM
The gun discharges. The bullet bounces off the gunt of the lady behind him, and is embedded in her hover round. As the man has no money to pay for the damage (he just spent his last dollar on lottery tickets), he agrees to impregnate her so she can claim more welfare dependents. They all live happily ever after.
 
2014-05-18 08:21:12 AM
What's Plexico Burress doing in Arizona?
 
2014-05-18 08:21:50 AM
That is really, incredibly stupid...shopping at Walmart. With the way they exploit their workforce? Oh, shooting yourself in the foot is stupid too.
 
2014-05-18 08:23:38 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: "Phoenix police spokesman Officer James Holmes said the man had a gun on his hip and it went off."

Translation: Irresponsible gun owner acts irresponsibly, faces zero legal consequences.


In Ohio accidental discharge of a firearm inside a building is a felony, which would mean losing your right to bear arms.  I doubt if it's ever actually used outside of add on to negligent homicide.
 
2014-05-18 08:24:52 AM
Definitely not enough information in the article. But given that virtually all modern firearms are designed specifically not to do that, there's about a 99.999% chance it was due to negligence and unsafe actions on the part of the gun owner. I would love to know what kind of gun it was, what condition it was in, and what sort of holster (if any) he was using. The fact is that a modern pistol from a respectable company paired with a reliable holster also from a respectable company can cut these incidents down to 0. The only thing that can make that gun go off after that is taking it out of said holster and pulling the trigger. Also known as negligence.

And given those things, I'm curious as to why he's not facing charges. Unlawful discharge of a firearm is a crime nearly everywhere. I would think he should at least be arrested pending investigation to find out if this happened to be the 1 in several hundred million chance that it really did "go off" due to some manufacturing error of some sort in the weapon.

I've carried a pistol on my hip just about everywhere both on and off duty for 9 years, and know many many others who have done the same. I've never in my entire life seen or heard of a firearm going off by itself where some form of idiocy on the part of the one holding the firearm wasn't involved.
 
2014-05-18 08:26:35 AM
And then I heard the barrel whisper it's sweet words... words that only I could hear.
"look at him, he's huge, big muscles, strong jawline... but I make you stronger... I make you more manly than even him."
I feel that twinge of excitement in my erecting penis from within my sweatpants. I can't reach down there to stroke it because if I get caught again I'll get in real, real trouble.
Instead I gently stroke the gun on my hip, titillating the trigger with my finger until it climaxes into my stomach, impregnating me with its led seed.
the broken hymen of my rolling belly bleeds its cherry berry as a scarlet badge of honour letting all those around me know  that I am both warrior and patriot and not just another Walmart Shopper.
 
2014-05-18 08:29:15 AM

Earguy: "Responsible gun owner?"


No, just yet another moronic asshat.  Apparently, safety training is the first step to the UN enacting agenda 21 and destroying the 2nd amendment and FreedomAmerica.

dobro: That is really, incredibly stupid...shopping at Walmart. With the way they exploit their workforce? Oh, shooting yourself in the foot is stupid too.


These same Walmart-shopping asshats were the ones shouting "buy American" twenty years ago and being self-righteous dickheads to people that bought foreign cars.  I guess no ideology beats a sweet deal on exceptionally shoddy merchandise.
 
2014-05-18 08:29:56 AM
I'm all for open carry.  I think people should be allowed to do it, except for every single one of the individuals I've ever seen actually carry a gun on their hip.  None of them appeared as if they should be allowed to own and operate firearms.
 
2014-05-18 08:30:06 AM
He shoots the customer in front of him for having 1 item over the 20 limit?
 
2014-05-18 08:30:34 AM

Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"


QFT.
 
2014-05-18 08:30:56 AM

Wolf892: And then I heard the barrel whisper it's sweet words... words that only I could hear.
"look at him, he's huge, big muscles, strong jawline... but I make you stronger... I make you more manly than even him."
I feel that twinge of excitement in my erecting penis from within my sweatpants. I can't reach down there to stroke it because if I get caught again I'll get in real, real trouble.
Instead I gently stroke the gun on my hip, titillating the trigger with my finger until it climaxes into my stomach, impregnating me with its led seed.
the broken hymen of my rolling belly bleeds its cherry berry as a scarlet badge of honour letting all those around me know  that I am both warrior and patriot and not just another Walmart Shopper.


That is truly disturbing...

+1
 
2014-05-18 08:31:46 AM
But everyone felt safer having an armed and trained private citizen around to protect them, right? Because that's what is really important.
 
2014-05-18 08:32:16 AM

taurusowner: Definitely not enough information in the article. But given that virtually all modern firearms are designed specifically not to do that, there's about a 99.999% chance it was due to negligence and unsafe actions on the part of the gun owner. I would love to know what kind of gun it was, what condition it was in, and what sort of holster (if any) he was using. The fact is that a modern pistol from a respectable company paired with a reliable holster also from a respectable company can cut these incidents down to 0. The only thing that can make that gun go off after that is taking it out of said holster and pulling the trigger. Also known as negligence.

And given those things, I'm curious as to why he's not facing charges. Unlawful discharge of a firearm is a crime nearly everywhere. I would think he should at least be arrested pending investigation to find out if this happened to be the 1 in several hundred million chance that it really did "go off" due to some manufacturing error of some sort in the weapon.

I've carried a pistol on my hip just about everywhere both on and off duty for 9 years, and know many many others who have done the same. I've never in my entire life seen or heard of a firearm going off by itself where some form of idiocy on the part of the one holding the firearm wasn't involved.


This. The guy was either fooling with it, or had a Glock tucked into his waistband and something caught the exposed trigger.
 
2014-05-18 08:32:26 AM

taurusowner: Definitely not enough information in the article. But given that virtually all modern firearms are designed specifically not to do that, there's about a 99.999% chance it was due to negligence and unsafe actions on the part of the gun owner. I would love to know what kind of gun it was, what condition it was in, and what sort of holster (if any) he was using. The fact is that a modern pistol from a respectable company paired with a reliable holster also from a respectable company can cut these incidents down to 0. The only thing that can make that gun go off after that is taking it out of said holster and pulling the trigger. Also known as negligence.

And given those things, I'm curious as to why he's not facing charges. Unlawful discharge of a firearm is a crime nearly everywhere. I would think he should at least be arrested pending investigation to find out if this happened to be the 1 in several hundred million chance that it really did "go off" due to some manufacturing error of some sort in the weapon.

I've carried a pistol on my hip just about everywhere both on and off duty for 9 years, and know many many others who have done the same. I've never in my entire life seen or heard of a firearm going off by itself where some form of idiocy on the part of the one holding the firearm wasn't involved.


Odds are that he was probably carrying a 1911. Only the well-trained, old timers or well-trained old timers should ever carry a 1911.
 
2014-05-18 08:33:32 AM

Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"


If you don't know how guns work, maybe you shouldn't comment.  It makes you look like a moron.
 
2014-05-18 08:34:10 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: "Phoenix police spokesman Officer James Holmes said the man had a gun on his hip and it went off."

Translation: Irresponsible gun owner acts irresponsibly, faces zero legal consequences.


Well, it was Arizona.  Maybe the heat set it off.
 
2014-05-18 08:34:17 AM

taurusowner: Definitely not enough information in the article. But given that virtually all modern firearms are designed specifically not to do that, there's about a 99.999% chance it was due to negligence and unsafe actions on the part of the gun owner. I would love to know what kind of gun it was, what condition it was in, and what sort of holster (if any) he was using. The fact is that a modern pistol from a respectable company paired with a reliable holster also from a respectable company can cut these incidents down to 0. The only thing that can make that gun go off after that is taking it out of said holster and pulling the trigger. Also known as negligence.

And given those things, I'm curious as to why he's not facing charges. Unlawful discharge of a firearm is a crime nearly everywhere. I would think he should at least be arrested pending investigation to find out if this happened to be the 1 in several hundred million chance that it really did "go off" due to some manufacturing error of some sort in the weapon.

I've carried a pistol on my hip just about everywhere both on and off duty for 9 years, and know many many others who have done the same. I've never in my entire life seen or heard of a firearm going off by itself where some form of idiocy on the part of the one holding the firearm wasn't involved.


It may be designed not to happen, but it does:

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/05/18/news/state/maine-state-police- li eutenant-not-disciplined-after-gun-went-off-during-computer-training-s ession/

Now, maybe the trooper is lying, but stupid shiat happens.

The moral of the story:

DON'T LEAVE A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER.
 
2014-05-18 08:34:58 AM

PenguinCam: He fixed the cable?


You win.
 
2014-05-18 08:39:08 AM
Guns are cool but I don't like to associate myself with the "I'm a bad ass I got mah gun pry it from me" morans.
 
2014-05-18 08:40:23 AM
The clerk told him he had a panty on his head?

/saw this movie
 
2014-05-18 08:42:20 AM

ccundiff: I'm all for open carry.  I think people should be allowed to do it, except for every single one of the individuals I've ever seen actually carry a gun on their hip.  None of them appeared as if they should be allowed to own and operate firearms.


It's like nudists - the ones who do it shouldn't.
 
2014-05-18 08:43:04 AM
He ought to be shot for shopping at Wal-Mart.
 
2014-05-18 08:43:16 AM
He was mocked as a libufarto sissy by his fellow Arizonans for only carrying *one* gun?
 
2014-05-18 08:52:49 AM
Holmes said the man's injuries were not life-threatening

That's a shame.
 
2014-05-18 08:54:13 AM
I've never seen a handgun that simply discharges. Not a modern one. But again I am not a fire arms expert.
 
2014-05-18 08:55:43 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"

If you don't know how guns work, maybe you shouldn't comment.  It makes you look like a moron.


Elucidate me.  How am I wrong?  I'm willing to listen.
 
2014-05-18 08:56:24 AM
"I was tripping. I was trying to just get out of the store," Allejandro said.

They arrested the girl for being under the influence of hallucinogenics?
 
2014-05-18 08:56:43 AM

Publikwerks: taurusowner: Definitely not enough information in the article. But given that virtually all modern firearms are designed specifically not to do that, there's about a 99.999% chance it was due to negligence and unsafe actions on the part of the gun owner. I would love to know what kind of gun it was, what condition it was in, and what sort of holster (if any) he was using. The fact is that a modern pistol from a respectable company paired with a reliable holster also from a respectable company can cut these incidents down to 0. The only thing that can make that gun go off after that is taking it out of said holster and pulling the trigger. Also known as negligence.

And given those things, I'm curious as to why he's not facing charges. Unlawful discharge of a firearm is a crime nearly everywhere. I would think he should at least be arrested pending investigation to find out if this happened to be the 1 in several hundred million chance that it really did "go off" due to some manufacturing error of some sort in the weapon.

I've carried a pistol on my hip just about everywhere both on and off duty for 9 years, and know many many others who have done the same. I've never in my entire life seen or heard of a firearm going off by itself where some form of idiocy on the part of the one holding the firearm wasn't involved.

It may be designed not to happen, but it does:

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/05/18/news/state/maine-state-police- li eutenant-not-disciplined-after-gun-went-off-during-computer-training-s ession/

Now, maybe the trooper is lying, but stupid shiat happens.

The moral of the story:

DON'T LEAVE A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER.


First, I would bet that the trooper was not entirely truthful in some manner. Many cops are idiots when it comes to firearms. To a lot police, their gun is just another heavy piece of junk that they have to carry for their job. They seek no additional training beyond the bare minimum, and do not take any of the required training seriously. I know a lot of Farkers are in the IT field. Think of it this way: a lot of office workers have to use computers every day for their job right? Does that mean those office workers are actually good with computers? Hell no. It's the same with police and guns unfortunately. I've been to and instructed at police shooting courses, and taken quite a few civilian shootings schools as well. Civilian shooters are on average better than police by a good margin. Add in the fact that the Trooper in your story was an Lieutenant. That tells me it's someone who hasn't worked the road or handled a firearm regularly in at least a few years. If I had to guess, I would say the Trooper in that story either A: lied to the investigators or B: wasn't punished because he was an Lt.

Second, "DON'T LEAVE A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER."....Worst. Advice. Evar.
If you are not competent enough to carry with a round in the chamber, stop carrying. Train until you are. All it takes to make that gun useless is for someone to disable your other arm. You get knocked down and can't move it, you break your hand fending off a hit, you get shot in the arm, etc. All ways that make your support hand useless. And now you can't chamber that pistol when you need it. Never mind all the times when someone might be carrying something, opening a door, etc with that support hand. If you're going to carry, it needs to be chambered and ready to go. Carrying a firearm is something where you need to be either all-in, or don't do it at all. Half assing it makes it more unsafe for you and others. If you're going to carry: train! Practice, learn what works, and practice some more. Get a reliable firearm and a reliable holster. Practice drawing from the holster safely. No, not some quick draw old west bullshiat. But actual practical draws where you don't flag others, don't fumble around, and reinforce the muscle memory of keeping your finger off the trigger until you'r ready to shoot. And a big part of training is not handicapping yourself from the get-go. If you carry unchambered, and train to draw then chamber the pistol with your other hand, all it takes is the disabling of that other hand to make all your training shiat. Just do it right in the first place and practice safely carrying and drawing with a chambered weapon. Or don't carry.
 
2014-05-18 08:57:40 AM
The issue I usually have with the availability of firearms is that people who cannot or will not learn to do so properly are much more likely to harm others rather than themselves. So, I guess I'm saying that I'm okay with this.
 
2014-05-18 08:58:44 AM

Earguy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"

If you don't know how guns work, maybe you shouldn't comment.  It makes you look like a moron.

Elucidate me.  How am I wrong?  I'm willing to listen.


Well there's the fact that many modern "striker fired" pistols don't have manual safeties in the first place. Not pulling the trigger, and keeping said trigger entirely encased with a reliable holster is the way they are designed to be carried. In fact, I have one exactly like that on me as I type this.
 
2014-05-18 09:00:26 AM

boogerwolf: Odds are that he was probably carrying a 1911. Only the well-trained, old timers or well-trained old timers should ever carry a 1911


Wasn't it Big Jake w/ John Wayne when the kid pulls the 1911 and goes all pew pew pew pew pew pew on the river side? Then has more rounds to cook off?
 
2014-05-18 09:02:57 AM
fubegra.net
 
2014-05-18 09:03:03 AM

Earguy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"

If you don't know how guns work, maybe you shouldn't comment.  It makes you look like a moron.

Elucidate me.  How am I wrong?  I'm willing to listen.


Modern handguns can be loaded, cocked, and carried very safely with the safety off (if the gun even has an external safety which some don't).

What makes this gun owner irresponsible is that he most likely was messing with it when the gun discharged.
 
2014-05-18 09:03:22 AM
Too many people who insist on handling weapons are not fit to do so. It may be their right but like free speech, I favor limiting it when it infringes on the rights of others. I have a right to not be shot by idiots who can't handle their weapons.

At least this guy shot himself.
 
2014-05-18 09:04:55 AM

taurusowner: Earguy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"

If you don't know how guns work, maybe you shouldn't comment.  It makes you look like a moron.

Elucidate me.  How am I wrong?  I'm willing to listen.

Well there's the fact that many modern "striker fired" pistols don't have manual safeties in the first place.


Wow, very pertinent. Most flintlocks and blunderbusses don't have manual safeties, either. So what sort of musket did the article say he was carrying?
 
2014-05-18 09:07:44 AM

RockofAges: The USA has a problem with "the right to bear arms". Honestly, one of the dumbest "rights" to be afforded in a large, civilized society. The problem is that it should never be a right to be in possession of a weapon that's sole purpose is to kill other human beings, which can be utilized in the blink of an eye.

You need to adopt a regulatory framework that requires a firearms license / permit, coinciding with safety and handling courses. Of course, any violation whatsoever of proper handling or storage of your weapon means a permanent ban on ownership.

Canada does very well on gun rights. We also don't have a massive problem with machismo or gun-swagger / murder rates. Rifles and shotguns for home defense or hunting. Pistols very strongly regulated as their only true purpose is killing humans (and target shooting in preparation of killing humans). And while our police forces are starting to resemble America's, no amount of "right to bear arms" is going to save you against state violence -- in fact, you are more likely to be shot dead BECAUSE you are holding a gun and pose a threat to law enforcement. That's a militiaman's fantasy.

If you don't have the const. right to drive a car (which is a much more universal / useful tool than a gun) I fail to see why it makes any sense to have the right to publicly carry a weapon of nearly any description. I've always thought that was complete and utter lunacy and I am pro-gun rights (as they stand in Canada).

Take a look around. At least half of your countrymen are morons who should not be trusted with easily and constantly available lethal force. That's a no brainer. Can't believe it's taking this long for people to realize this.


I don't think you're trolling, and you probably do believe all of that. You're entirely wrong of course. But I also don't think you can be convinced otherwise, no matter what anyone might say. Deep down I would bet you have faith that a government can disarm its people, leave lethal force entirely in the hands of government employees, and that it will never end up having an negative effect on their liberty. I believe the opposite is true, and history supports me. Every government that disarmed its population and had a total monopoly on force has ended up oppressing its people. Our founders knew this all too well. They even told us as such and why: "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security "

How did we actually throw off such government? Serious question for you, since I do think you wholly believe in disarmament.
 
2014-05-18 09:08:33 AM

RockofAges: B) You are describing a scene from an action movie, not real life.


Huh?
 
2014-05-18 09:10:01 AM

Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"


B-b-b-b-but you never know when someone's gonna step to you and disrespect you! Having that gun means people are gonna think twice and behave!
 
2014-05-18 09:11:32 AM
Too bad he didn't shoot his dick off.
 
2014-05-18 09:11:34 AM

taurusowner: Earguy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Earguy: Gun loaded
Bullet in chamber
Gun cocked
Safety off
Hip holster

"Responsible gun owner?"

If you don't know how guns work, maybe you shouldn't comment.  It makes you look like a moron.

Elucidate me.  How am I wrong?  I'm willing to listen.

Well there's the fact that many modern "striker fired" pistols don't have manual safeties in the first place. Not pulling the trigger, and keeping said trigger entirely encased with a reliable holster is the way they are designed to be carried. In fact, I have one exactly like that on me as I type this.


Why would you imply he's a moron when he's describing a plausible scenario? Do you have some inside knowledge about the type of gun the guy in the article shot himself with?
 
2014-05-18 09:12:21 AM

rzrwiresunrise: B-b-b-b-but you never know when someone's gonna step to you and disrespect you! Having that gun means people are gonna think twice and behave!


Or "disable your off hand" while shopping for bulk diapers at Walmart, so make sure to be carrying the gun loaded and cocked at all times!
 
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