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2014-05-18 03:52:43 AM
No comments? I was born in Massachusetts, and I can't think of much to say either.

I still wouldn't stand in the way of anyone's freedom of choice, or pursuit of happiness. Whatever you choose that makes you happy is up to you.
 
2014-05-18 03:58:36 AM
This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.
 
2014-05-18 04:01:31 AM
"Please you young people out there.  Just say no to marriage" -Al Bundy Rand Paul
 
2014-05-18 04:15:57 AM
What's the divorce rate been like?
 
2014-05-18 04:23:36 AM

Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.


[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.
 
2014-05-18 04:29:22 AM

maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.


Yes, I am also interested as to the nature of this "extensive harm"......please explain.
 
2014-05-18 04:29:59 AM
And just look at all the earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and plagues of locusts that have happened in those ten years.
 
2014-05-18 04:32:39 AM

maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.


Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.

Clearly, this is an insidious plot to create the illusion that the supposed disastrous consequences of same-sex marriage do not exist. If the public is unable to see the extensive damage that such "marriages" cause, then they will start to believe that same-sex marriage opponents are irrational, dishonest fear-mongers. This conspiracy has in fact gone so far that I believe that it has infiltrated even the legal counsels who have been hired to defend same-sex marriage bans in the various states; otherwise, why would those legal teams argue based solely upon speculative and baseless predictions, rather than upon the extensive body of data that should already exist to justify having such bans in place?
 
2014-05-18 04:48:59 AM
There are a lot of broken sarcasm detectors in here this morning.

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 05:04:49 AM
Why did this thread jump to the top of the page?
 
2014-05-18 05:10:57 AM
That's gay.
 
2014-05-18 05:17:27 AM
Yeah, I'm going to buy some green food dye tomorrow.   And some LooperDeChrons.
 
2014-05-18 05:26:07 AM
Don't forget, the misery can be passed on to the next generation.  Some people are now discovering they have two mothers-in-law....
 
2014-05-18 05:30:16 AM

Dimensio: maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.

Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.

Clearly, this is an insidious plot to create the illusion that the supposed disastrous consequences of same-sex marriage do not exist. If the public is unable to see the extensive damage that such "marriages" cause, then they will start to believe that same-sex marriage opponents are irrational, dishonest fear-mongers. This conspiracy has in fact gone so far that I believe that it has infiltrated even the legal counsels who have been hired to defend same-sex marriage bans in the various states; otherwise, why would those legal teams argue based solely upon speculative and baseless predictions, rather than upon the extensive body of data that should already exist to justify having such bans in place?


Yeah, so...gay marriage does no harm then.

Seriously, I stopped reading when you said "liberal media bias" and then mentioned Fox News and "fair and balanced" in the same breath.

/Alex Jones would very much like his schtick back
 
2014-05-18 05:31:30 AM

Dimensio: maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.

Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.

Clearly, this is an insidious plot to create the illusion that the supposed disastrous consequences of same-sex marriage do not exist. If the public is unable to see the extensive damage that such "marriages" cause, then they will start to believe that same-sex marriage opponents are irrational, dishonest fear-mongers. This conspiracy has in fact gone so far that I believe that it has infiltrated even the legal counsels who have been hired to defend same-sex marriage bans in the various states; otherwise, why would those legal teams argue based solely upon speculative and baseless predictions, rather than upon the extensive body of data that should already exist to justify having such bans in place?


Disregard my previous post. I actually get it now.
 
2014-05-18 05:32:39 AM

maram500: Seriously, I stopped reading when you said "liberal media bias" and then mentioned Fox News and "fair and balanced" in the same breath.


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2014-05-18 05:40:42 AM

Dimensio: maram500: Seriously, I stopped reading when you said "liberal media bias" and then mentioned Fox News and "fair and balanced" in the same breath.


Please refer to my last post...
 
2014-05-18 05:42:34 AM

HumbertoEcho: Don't forget, the misery can be passed on to the next generation.  Some people are now discovering they have two mothers-in-law....


And some people are discovering that they have a father-in-law. And he wears the same size Doc Martens as sweet old mom...

/And the same size flannel shirt
//Just kidding
 
2014-05-18 05:53:36 AM
Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.
 
2014-05-18 05:56:48 AM
It was brave...
It was the right thing to do...
But it cost John Kerry the election in 2004.
Thanks Massachusetts!
 
2014-05-18 05:59:03 AM

Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.


Didn't take you long to catch your designated limit...

your followup I could see you were trying to channel your internal pocket ninja. While you are not PN... A very refreshing effort
 
2014-05-18 06:33:00 AM
I'm sure society will fall apart there any second now...

Any second... it will happen... That's what the religious people keep telling me and they have such a good track record for predicting things.
 
2014-05-18 06:57:29 AM

Dimensio: maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.

Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.

Clearly, this is an insidious plot to create the illusion that the supposed disastrous consequences of same-sex marriage do not exist. If the public is unable to see the extensive damage that such "marriages" cause, then they will start to believe that same-sex marriage opponents are irrational, dishonest fear-mongers. This conspiracy has in fact gone so far that I believe that it has infiltrated even the legal counsels who have been hired to defend same-sex marriage bans in the various states; otherwise, why would those legal teams argue based solely upon speculative and baseless predictions, rather than upon the extensive body of data that should already exist to justify having such bans in place?


The irreparable harm done by same sex marriage is in its complete lack of negative consequences, thus proving that the religious right are a bunch of liars. Won't somebody think of evangelical Christianity's credibility?
 
2014-05-18 07:03:59 AM

Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.


OK, I'll admit it, you got me. I actually thought you were serious until I read the follow up. Nicely done.
 
2014-05-18 07:25:09 AM

Dimensio: maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.

Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.

Clearly, this is an insidious plot to create the illusion that the supposed disastrous consequences of same-sex marriage do not exist. If the public is unable to see the extensive damage that such "marriages" cause, then they will start to believe that same-sex marriage opponents are irrational, dishonest fear-mongers. This conspiracy has in fact gone so far that I believe that it has infiltrated even the legal counsels who have been hired to defend same-sex marriage bans in the various states; otherwise, why would those legal teams argue based solely upon speculative and baseless predictions, rather than upon the extensive body of data that should already exist to justify having such bans in place?


I see what you did there.

/well done!
 
2014-05-18 07:51:54 AM

letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.



Trolling is a Learned Behavior. The instinct for tolling involves posting and copypasting and threadshiatting and so forth. If you get trolly at the sight of an Obama thread, or if you get trolly at the sight of an gunfap thread, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.
 
2014-05-18 07:56:09 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 07:58:14 AM
eat da poo poo
 
2014-05-18 08:18:35 AM
It's been 10 years already?  What's the over/under on somebody trying to argue same sex marriages should not be allowed since they cannot reproduce completely ignoring opposite sex couples that have one or both partners infertile?
 
2014-05-18 08:22:11 AM

jso2897: Trolling is a Learned Behavior.



Stalking is a Learned Behaviour. The suggested way to deal with what you cluelessly assume to be trolling is to fully quote the offending post, make a tired and lame remark, and bask in the glory of being a non-biting biter.


This obviously clever tactic also helps ensure that ignore lists are circumvented, though it's likely you're being blocked a lot more than me. I'm returning the favour, so now imagine the number of lurkers who ordinarily miss out (by choice) your butt-nuggets o' wisdom.


So if you go away, I win, because I'm no longer being pestered by a netkopp. And if you respond, I win, because that means you go to the trouble of reading my posts. And if you shutdown your machine, format your drive, and cancel your internet access completely, everyone wins.
 
2014-05-18 08:39:38 AM

maram500: Seriously, I stopped reading when you said "liberal media bias" and then mentioned Fox News and "fair and balanced" in the same breath.


Nice to see that at least one American has got the concept of "sarcasm". Not you. it seems..
 
2014-05-18 08:46:18 AM

letrole: jso2897: Trolling is a Learned Behavior.


Stalking is a Learned Behaviour. The suggested way to deal with what you cluelessly assume to be trolling is to fully quote the offending post, make a tired and lame remark, and bask in the glory of being a non-biting biter.


This obviously clever tactic also helps ensure that ignore lists are circumvented, though it's likely you're being blocked a lot more than me. I'm returning the favour, so now imagine the number of lurkers who ordinarily miss out (by choice) your butt-nuggets o' wisdom.


So if you go away, I win, because I'm no longer being pestered by a netkopp. And if you respond, I win, because that means you go to the trouble of reading my posts. And if you shutdown your machine, format your drive, and cancel your internet access completely, everyone wins.


Someone missed nap time. Run along, D list.
 
2014-05-18 08:51:50 AM

HooskerDoo: Someone missed nap time. Run along, D list.


The suggested way to deal with what you cluelessly assume to be trolling is to fully quote the offending post, make a tired and lame remark, and bask in the glory of being a non-biting biter.
 
2014-05-18 08:57:30 AM

jso2897: letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.


Trolling is a Learned Behavior. The instinct for tolling involves posting and copypasting and threadshiatting and so forth. If you get trolly at the sight of an Obama thread, or if you get trolly at the sight of an gunfap thread, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.


Well, he's right though. Homosexuals DO want to have normal lives and be accepted. They want to not be seen as special. They want what everyone else pretty much want: to go to work and not be discriminated against. To not be beaten for smiling at someone who they think is cute. To shop in peace without someone questioning their partner or themselves about how they feel about going to Hell. They just want to be normal folks, not special in any inherent way.

And that's the funny thing about the folks who make the argument about "special rights" is that they essentially ARE looking to create situations where homosexuals are made exceptions. Different. Homosexuals just want to live their lives and do things without a spotlight--with the exception of folks in the entertainment field.

It's a damn pity that folks get their knickers in a twist when folks just want to have lives. And want folks to mind their own business...
 
2014-05-18 09:00:43 AM

Dimensio: Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.


Sure the liberal media has reported on the horrid harm same-sex marriage had done.  Fox News, for example, has clearly said that it is icky and that those who don't hate them are sinners are in the hands of an angry God.

/I hope this is done right.
 
2014-05-18 09:01:27 AM
Yup, I've been living here and it's been a complete non-issue. The only difference is that the gay ghettos are dissipating across the state. Even Ptown seems to have a lot more straight families and kids these days.

I belong to an online group that has nothing to do with politics and there's some guy there from flyover land who keeps claiming that gay marriage is going to cause all sorts of problems. It's always satisfying to confront him with years of reality, point him to newspaper archive sites, and challenge him to document a problem.
 
2014-05-18 09:07:41 AM

wildcardjack: What's the divorce rate been like?


One of my good friends from high school became the first gay divorce and him and his husband were married there...other than that, I have no idea.
 
2014-05-18 09:40:09 AM
Why is this a topic anymore? Why can't we just all agree that from a legal standpoint, a marriage contract is between 2 consenting adults, and whatever your religious beliefs, you are free to conduct ceremonies for whomever you choose or refuse? Oh yeah, insurance companies.
 
2014-05-18 09:41:53 AM

maram500: Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.

[Citation Needed]

Seriously, can you actually give some facts from a reputable source? I'd like to know how I can harm society if I were to get married.


It may only be one data point, but me and my turtle just had a lovely night out celebrating our fourth  wedding anniversary.
 
2014-05-18 09:42:17 AM
"Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages."

Heterosexuals in the US get married at a rate of 6.8 marriages per 1,000 people. That's a readily available figure, because it's of course measurable, and nobody has a vested interest in obscuring that data to cover the facts.

Now, the simplest way to counter the position that I made would be to merely demonstrate some numbers that show the opposite ie homosexuals are now getting married at a rate at least something above 0% accounting for statistical error.

I'm pretty sure somebody has been tracking the number of actual homosexual marriages since 2004, and these people likely have access to the numbers for regular marriages, and population size, and the heterosexual / homosexual affiliation split, and nifty graphics programs that can draw pictures of charts.

Now, I'd ordinarily say that there's probably a lag in the number of homosexuals willing to take up a new lifestyle option, but that's not the case. People, and homosexuals are just that, people, have been getting married for the wrong reasons or actually no real reason at all other than they could for a long time now. There must be some other reason that homosexuals aren't knocking down the courthouse door to get to the marriage registrar the day after the news cameras get packed up.

How about reading the first paragraph yet again?
 
2014-05-18 09:44:48 AM
Amazingly, the divorce rate in MA is still the lowest in the nation.

Meanwhile, over the ten years of frenzied attempts to "protect marriage" not one bill, amendment, etc. has been offered by the so-called religious right to limit divorce in any way.

Telling...
 
2014-05-18 09:50:39 AM

Dimensio: This wholly unbalanced article fails to cite the substantial harm that has resulted from same-sex marriage in the state. The absence of this information is inexcusable, as the harm is readily demonstrable and extensive, as it must be if the claims of same-sex marriage opponents are rational and intellectually honest.


I posted this ridiculous link in a previous thread recently, but I'll repost it for the amusement of everyone else who hasn't yet seen it... These people are serious... They truly think Mass. has become a horrible hellhole due to same-sex marriage... Because, apparently, children are being taught that homosexuality is not evil and they should treat them as regular human beings rather than monsters... "This is an outrage!"
 
2014-05-18 09:51:49 AM

orbister: maram500: Seriously, I stopped reading when you said "liberal media bias" and then mentioned Fox News and "fair and balanced" in the same breath.

Nice to see that at least one American has got the concept of "sarcasm". Not you. it seems..


It took me a while, but I got it. Another thread broke my sarcasm detector.
 
2014-05-18 09:53:30 AM

ursomniac: Meanwhile, over the ten years of frenzied attempts to "protect marriage" not one bill, amendment, etc. has been offered by the so-called religious right to limit divorce in any way.



Because it was the so-called religious right that tore down the limits to divorce starting in the early 60s? That the so-called religious right approves of divorce? That you'd scream and whine if the so-called religious right actually had the nerve to limit you or take away your civil rights by imposing theocratic limitation in the exact way you just said they should if they were being fair....

Meanwhile, ursomniac waits patiently with a lubed palm in hopes of being the anchorman in the predicted circle-jerk.
 
2014-05-18 10:23:39 AM
Is Massachusetts a lifetime alimony state? Shouldn't we be seeing some of those divorces coming through the court systems soon?
 
2014-05-18 10:32:00 AM

ursomniac: Amazingly, the divorce rate in MA is still the lowest in the nation.

Meanwhile, over the ten years of frenzied attempts to "protect marriage" not one bill, amendment, etc. has been offered by the so-called religious right to limit divorce in any way.

Telling...


Divorce is initiated by women nearly 70% of the time and it jumps up to 90% if both have at least a bachelor's degree. Why on earth would any lawmaker want to reverse no-fault divorces, when it would clearly harm a woman's ability to take money, in the form of alimony and child support (often cloaked as mother support)? That's their largest voting demographic. See Florida and how the governor vetoed a bill that would end lifetime alimony payments. The only reason that bill even made it to the governor was because the current alimony law started harming women (more men losing jobs and making less).
 
2014-05-18 11:40:52 AM

ursomniac: Amazingly, the divorce rate in MA is still the lowest in the nation.

Meanwhile, over the ten years of frenzied attempts to "protect marriage" not one bill, amendment, etc. has been offered by the so-called religious right to limit divorce in any way.

Telling...


---
That's actually not a good statistic to use to make your point even tho MA does have a low (not lowest) divorce rate.

Massachusetts has a low rate of divorce because it has a low marriage rate.

And you can't get (officially) divorced if you were never (officially) married in the first place.

/Looking at state stats, of couples (living together) who are actually married, Massachusetts is 42nd in the list - right down there in the bottom ten along with Fl, Louisiana, Mississippi & NY.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/lif_ per_of_hou_tha_are_mar_fam-perce n t-households-married-couple-families

//no I'm not anti-gay, I'm anti-bad-use-of-statistics
 
2014-05-18 12:14:24 PM

wildcardjack: What's the divorce rate been like?


i0.wp.com
 
2014-05-18 12:14:34 PM

Dimensio: Unfortunately, due to a liberal media bias I cannot. I have been awaiting an unbiased and fair media source to report on this harm, but thus far absolutely no media outlet has provided any information regarding the extensive damage that same-sex marriage has brought about where it has been legalized. Even Fox News, which I had relied upon before for fair and balanced infromation, has failed to perform its duty by fairly balancing reports of supposedly happy homosexual pairs with the tragic tales of lives ruined as a consequence of same-sex couples having a legally recognized union.


You would think they could at least find ONE dog-and-cat pair living together to profile.  And they're 10 years into the 40 years of darkness!  That ought to have had an impact on farming.
 
2014-05-18 12:48:06 PM

wildcardjack: What's the divorce rate been like?


4th highest in the country...

Wait, sorted that wrong.

47th highest.
 
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