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(The Raw Story)   10 year old Oklahoma girl held down by female classmate while classmate's 8 year old brother rapes her. That's never OK   (rawstory.com) divider line 73
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2014-05-17 10:22:53 PM
13 votes:

Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.

 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.
2014-05-17 10:15:29 PM
10 votes:
I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
2014-05-18 12:48:35 AM
9 votes:

sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.
2014-05-18 01:39:04 AM
7 votes:
I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.
2014-05-18 12:55:45 AM
6 votes:

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


Came here to say this. I guarantee you some adults in their lives did to them exactly what they did to the girl. Hopefully everyone in the story gets the help they need.
2014-05-18 01:22:04 AM
5 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?


It comes from the perpetrators being abused themselves. Do you really think you learn the mechanics of sex from watching TV? At worst TV could teach kids that sex is hugging and rubbing up against each other.

For an 8 and 10 year old to hold down a classmate and rape her... lets just say they've had first hand experience before. And this connection of abused children becoming abusers is a known fact, unlike "oh my god, it must be TV and video games!" Ninny hand wringing.

I hope the cops take a close look at these kids' home life.
2014-05-18 02:52:43 AM
4 votes:

tbeatty: phrawgh: [img.fark.net image 432x446]

If your gonna blame anyone not aligned to your asinine politic viewpoint...

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The difference being Obammy has expressed no pedophile-like tendencies in public?
2014-05-18 12:56:41 AM
4 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.


TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?
2014-05-18 12:38:50 AM
4 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.


I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.
2014-05-18 04:02:22 AM
3 votes:

JerkyMeat: What? Should I have not said that?

He needs a taste of his own medicine and then be rendered a eunuch.

Therapy won't do shiat to a fark like that kid.


Then I'm glad you're not a therapist, but I will say I'm crushingly disappointed you somehow wound up as an example of our species.  Run along now... there's a fire somewhere you're depriving of having someone dying in it.
2014-05-18 03:04:24 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing.  I am very embarrassed for the three of you.  I especially feel sorry for your grandparents;  They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind.  They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them.  I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is.  I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.
2014-05-18 01:51:18 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: sneako: I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.

This is a very real issue. And this is what bugs me about people who try to blame TV or video games. Even infants know the difference between real stuff and video. When something bad happens to you, it affects you. Watching a video screen does not.


I have to agree.  Nursery rhymes and old fairy tales are horrid, gruesome, tales of torture, murder and abuse, and have been told to kids for centuries.  Video game violence is nothing new or special.  Kids know the difference between "real" and "pretend".
2014-05-18 01:19:34 AM
3 votes:
FTFA:  "I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


How about the parents of the kids?  As much as I'd be temped to take a baseball bat to the kids, were it my daughter or granddaughters,  I'd be even more inclined to so so as well to their parents but would probably  go with suing the farking shiat out of them for raising such criminals.
2014-05-18 01:18:21 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


So behavior is learned, but it cannot be learned from television or video games, only from bad parents or other living influences?
2014-05-18 01:17:22 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


This.  They learn it from abuse.
2014-05-18 12:47:13 AM
3 votes:
This is sad all ways round.
2014-05-18 12:34:51 AM
3 votes:

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.
2014-05-17 10:33:41 PM
3 votes:

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.
2014-05-17 09:43:22 PM
3 votes:

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


No mention of family dynamics. Nope.
2014-05-17 09:38:28 PM
3 votes:

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


It' s hard to get money out of a 10 and 8 year old.

/should be hell to pay
2014-05-18 08:31:42 AM
2 votes:
I'm willing to bet that this is not the first interaction between the victim and, at least, the older sister.  I will not be surprised if there's been a history of bullying (damn I hate that word). . .assault, intimidation, harassment, and torture that went unchecked by school and parents until it escalated to this level.
2014-05-18 04:51:33 AM
2 votes:

JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.


He's eight, you bloodthirsty turd. And he's already been raped. Where do you think he learned to do that?
2014-05-18 04:38:24 AM
2 votes:

JerkyMeat: Yes, yes, please go give the boy a group hug and then talk with him about his feelings. It will all be ok then.


Yes, yes, we all caught your earlier proclamation of masterful stupidity.  You can put the sign down, we got the message.  You don't have to bother handing out flyers, for that matter.  Goodbye.
2014-05-18 03:28:35 AM
2 votes:

DemonStrayted: Cpl.D: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing. I am very embarrassed for the three of you. I especially feel sorry for your grandparents; They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind. They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them. I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is. I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is pretty epic.

Epic indeed, but mistargeted. As bad as Thunderpipes usual politicizing of a tragedy like this is, there's an even worse post in this thread ― the first post ever on FARK to make me seriously consider blocking someone.

I'm talking about this:

JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.

I hope that you're just a pathetic troll like Thunderpipes. Because if not, you're something truly vile, and you need to take a long, hard look into whatever passes for your soul.
2014-05-18 03:16:26 AM
2 votes:
I have to agree with others saying these kids-- as heinous as they've become-- are likely abuse victims themselves. They learned this behavior from someone else, and they're passing on the abuse.

They need to be helped. Punish, but do it with an eye toward healing them and ending the cycle... And maybe find out who screwed them up so badly and punish THAT person.
2014-05-18 01:57:48 AM
2 votes:
At risk of setting myself up as an expert (I'm not) I would bet my last penny that the two kids are victims of sexual abuse themselves. Either actual sexual abuse, or exposure to explicit material. That's how children learn how to do these things with no understanding of their meaning or harms.

I feel like everyone here is a victim, oddly.
2014-05-18 01:57:05 AM
2 votes:

sneako: I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.


This.  The physiological response is at all ages.  the understanding and acting out is learned.   I've heard my 6 y/o use profanity in context with no understanding after hearing it at a baseball game.

Acting out and understanding that it is wrong, especially if they were forced to endue it themselves before any concept of reason, is very hard to deal with.  There are 3 victims here and justice is punishing their abusers.
2014-05-18 01:45:29 AM
2 votes:
Yup, farked kids doing shiat they learned.

Decades after school, I can see why some kids were all messed up.
Across the spectrum of demographics. Very wealthy kids that 'dropped out' of private schools and children of Housekeepers.
I'm pretty sure I know the physically abused and the ones with "Funny Uncles" (for lack of a better term).

This one time, on a band trip, a girl freaked out when I just wanted to kiss. She told me later about some nasty stuff. First I had any first hand knowledge that this happened. I was very sad. She was a nice girl.She married some guy that beat her up.  She will talk to me on the beach but never go out on the boat.

Life sucks, then you die...
2014-05-18 01:35:56 AM
2 votes:

cwheelie: Let's hear you explanation.
The courser & courser public dialogue and behavior gets the more we hear this stuff and everyone acts SHOCKED but no one wants to have a dialogue about where this comes from


There was a story going around among my friends of a group of neighborhood brothers who did something similar to a mildly retarded 13 year old neighbor girl (one of our friends hung out with the brothers and confirmed that the 10 year old youngest brother was coaxed into having sex / raping her).

No one had any trouble believing it happened, because those boys were known to be a bunch of freaks who were capable of nearly anything.

This was in 1982, so I doubt that PONG or a particularly risque episode of Three's Company had any bearing on their behavior.
2014-05-18 01:33:07 AM
2 votes:
What the fark? How the hell does an 8 year old know what to do with his penis? I'd like to speak with his parents. I bet their model citizens.
2014-05-18 01:32:45 AM
2 votes:
Jesus, time to pull the hormones out of the chocolate milk.
2014-05-18 01:27:03 AM
2 votes:
There is data that shows inappropriate and overt sexual behaviour displayed by very young children, is directly linked to those children having been victims of sexual molestation. The influence of tv, video games etc is, as far as I know, still just speculation by people on the internet. I've yet to see any data on that.

So I'd be looking closely at what went on at home.
2014-05-18 01:20:25 AM
2 votes:
Isn't this supposed to be the "good ol" heartland o the 'murca, where the people love jesus and jesus loves them.

/ex moved there to be a meth head
//good riddance
2014-05-18 01:12:28 AM
2 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?


I'm thinking the same. Fark should delight, challenge, and offend. It shouldn't make you want to self-harm.
2014-05-18 01:00:10 AM
2 votes:

wildcardjack: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

If anyone was ever going to follow up I'd bet we find a bottle of Androgel in the father's toiletries. Or mother's current boyfriend, I should say.


I saw that episode of House recently.
2014-05-18 12:53:15 AM
2 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.


I'd just chalk that up to "kids are horrible."

Because kids are horrible.  They hurt each other all the time, just for lulz.
2014-05-18 12:52:16 AM
2 votes:
I'm not sure how the mother expects teachers to be monitoring the bathrooms at all times. Especially after school, many teachers are usually assigned to the bus line to make sure the kids are getting on the right buses, being safe, etc. I'm sure she will get some $$$ out of the schools, where the real fault is with the upbringing of those two miscreants.
2014-05-18 12:49:10 AM
2 votes:
Parents need to stop peeing in the gene pool.
2014-05-18 12:48:27 AM
2 votes:

sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.
2014-05-18 12:44:10 AM
2 votes:

zarker: Zero tolerance, expell her for snitching


I was gonna make a "he's on football team" comment but your's works too.

/lots of therapy for the kids
//then lock 'em up for decades
///shoot their parents
2014-05-18 02:43:51 PM
1 votes:
Brother and sister should both be euthanized like the filthy animals they are.
2014-05-18 11:52:56 AM
1 votes:

seapig: I was masturbating from at least the age of 6 and I definitely achieved orgasm. Granted, I am female, but I think the only difference is that boys just don't ejaculate until the onset of puberty. They can still have a "dry" orgasm though...

And no one abused, molested, or taught me anything. I just knew that it felt good so I did it.

Also, I am 6 months pregnant with my first child (a boy) and pretty much every one of my pregnancy books has mentioned that not only can babies get erections and become aroused in utero, but that they have actually "caught" quite a few masturbating. We saw my niece very vigorously rubbing between her legs during one of the later ultrasounds...and I'm pretty sure we saw my son's erect penis during our last scan; either that or his umbilical cord was very strategically placed. But it is certainly not beyond the scope of believability to think that these kids may not have had a prior example to emulate before doing what they did.


Very important lesson for parents of baby boys: Not only do they get morning wood (and afternoon, evening, etc.) but a breeze round their boy parts seems to make them let loose like a fire hose, each and every time. Unless you welcome a face full of baby boy pee, keep a diaper rag on the changing table, and lay it over the business end as you are wiping up and getting the new diaper in place. You will thank me at 3 am.
2014-05-18 11:04:33 AM
1 votes:

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


Reading comprehension, man.  Brush up.
2014-05-18 11:02:40 AM
1 votes:
I was masturbating from at least the age of 6 and I definitely achieved orgasm. Granted, I am female, but I think the only difference is that boys just don't ejaculate until the onset of puberty. They can still have a "dry" orgasm though...

And no one abused, molested, or taught me anything. I just knew that it felt good so I did it.

Also, I am 6 months pregnant with my first child (a boy) and pretty much every one of my pregnancy books has mentioned that not only can babies get erections and become aroused in utero, but that they have actually "caught" quite a few masturbating. We saw my niece very vigorously rubbing between her legs during one of the later ultrasounds...and I'm pretty sure we saw my son's erect penis during our last scan; either that or his umbilical cord was very strategically placed. But it is certainly not beyond the scope of believability to think that these kids may not have had a prior example to emulate before doing what they did.
2014-05-18 10:51:57 AM
1 votes:

RobSeace: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Perhaps you would direct me to some of these studies you referenced?

Here, to me, is the most telling statistic:

[www.wired.com image 713x570]

As violent video games have increased in number and popularity, violent crime has gone down dramatically... So, if there's any link, it's the exact opposite link people might expect...

But, here's Wikipedia's page about media violence research, which has some info and links on both sides of the debate...


If a plummeting violent crime rate isn't a good argument against gun control, then it shouldn't be considered a good argument here either. We should ban all violent media just to be safe. Surely you can find another way to compensate for your small manhood rather than living vicariously through power fantasies.
2014-05-18 09:40:03 AM
1 votes:

Medic Zero: .

I'm not even sure I'm up to reading this thread.

I will say that in I've worked at a facility that included very young (8-12 year old) sexual predators, and ALL of the staff that had worked there a long time said that there was nothing you could do to "save" the little monsters, they just became big monsters. Seemed to be hardwired into them.

You could put young sexual predators in prison forever to keep them away from society, but why would you do that? Last I checked, there was no shortage of bags or rivers. These humans are aberrations, and will only hurt others.


It sounds in this case like the ten year old sister is the main predator. She chose the victim, held her down, and directed the eight year old. It sounds from TFA like he acted on big sis's orders. He may very well be her victim, too, in which case there may be hope for him, with some very intensive therapy.

The siblings need to be separated, long term, and the family needs to be examined under a microscope. Because there is some bad shiat going down somewhere.
2014-05-18 09:12:48 AM
1 votes:

tbeatty: LadySusan:  Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.

Don't know about orgasm or jizz, but erections happen from birth.  My 6 year old proudly proclaimed his and announced it was because he liked girls.  He is, of course, completely unaware why or what "its purpose" is or why girls are responsible.  My other twin 6 y/o is oblivious.  I remember erections in 2nd grade (7?, 8?) after seeing a playboy magazine but didn't know about birds/bees until 4-5th grade and them only the technical details.  Father not really pleased with the 10 y/o boy innocently asking for a refresher on what the erect peepee was for in front of company.  "I know it's for something but I forgot." didn't cut it.  Also. no explanation as to why a boy would want to that so how the peepee worked the zipper was a magic puzzle not explained.

So yes, 8 is young enough for erection.  Way to young for any kind of sexual drive for rape.  I suspect the 8 y/o was not a stranger to sex assault/abuse himself.  Very disturbing that his sister (I suspect also not a stranger to sex assault) helped/encouraged him.  I'd be disappointed if only the school was held accountable.


My son is two and has had erections since birth. Of course, at his age, he can't really cause them himself. It normally happens after he wakes up. It's always tricky changing his diaper since I have to make sure it's facing down (otherwise he pees up the front).

This case, though...these kids have been abused. They learned it from somewhere and it wasn't from tv. This was them reenacting something traumatic.
2014-05-18 08:42:19 AM
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It's not today's society causing things like this to happen. I know three girls who were sexually assaulted on my school bus back in the 70's. The boys were bigger and more numerous than the girls, and any girl who sat at the back of the bus was considered by them to be 'asking for it'.  Being held down and groped, hands inside their pants or shirts, etc; what surprised me is the girls often would continue to go to the back of the bus after these assaults took place as if nothing had happened to them the day or week before.

I'm wondering if the kids had an older sibling at home who was sexually active. The ones I grew up with who had an older sexually active sister/brother tended to act completely different from the ones that didn't.
2014-05-18 04:06:00 AM
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Thunderpipes: jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.

Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides

Oh. I did not know this. Usually it is the stupid Jesus worshiping weirdos crying about evil TV and magic video boxes.

Oops. Letting spill I am not one of them.....


Ralph Nader
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/21/ralph-nader-calls-vi ol ent-video-games-electronic-child-molesters/

Sen Chris Murphy (D-Conn)
"I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day."

Hillary Clinton
"Grand Theft Auto...encourages [children] to have sex with prostitutes and then murder them."

Ed Schultz (MSNBC on GTA V)
"If you're a parent and you allow your son or daughter to watch this...you're a lousy parent."

And so many more. It is something that both sides derp about, and there are on both sides those that defend Video games. This is not a liberal or conservative Issue
2014-05-18 03:46:29 AM
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8 year old rapist.. yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't do that after catching your parents have consensual sex.  Or anyone else.

The kids were either raped themselves, or watched a lot of rapes happen, in person.
2014-05-18 03:41:26 AM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards


p.gr-assets.com
2014-05-18 03:37:06 AM
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Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards
2014-05-18 03:33:18 AM
1 votes:

COMALite J: I'm talking about this:


farking hell.  I didn't even catch that one.
2014-05-18 03:17:06 AM
1 votes:
I'm blaming the parents of the rapists.  This is a learned behavior, it's not natural for kids that age to know about sex or even think about rape.  Odds are that one or both of those kids have been sexually abused.  The parents need to be thoroughly investigated as well.
2014-05-18 02:34:02 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.


Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.
2014-05-18 02:17:59 AM
1 votes:

Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?


It could be the parents. Then again it could also be an uncle, cousin, grandparent, or family friend. Hopefully this will be investigated fully, and if these kids are being abused(which they likely are) their abusers should be punished for both the crimes against the rapist children, and for the crimes perpetrated upon the girl they raped.
2014-05-18 01:49:53 AM
1 votes:

Testicular_Falcon_Punch: "I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


/Seriously? You're blaming the teachers for not being everywhere at once? Try blaming the scumbag kids who raped and assaulted your child. Idiot. And the sad thing is, she will sue the school and win millions, and the kids who did it are too young to be tried in court.


How about blaming the scumbag parents? If a child is a rapist at 8 years of age, he is being or has been horribly abused by either a parent or another guardian.
2014-05-18 01:45:42 AM
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sneako: I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.


This is a very real issue. And this is what bugs me about people who try to blame TV or video games. Even infants know the difference between real stuff and video. When something bad happens to you, it affects you. Watching a video screen does not.
2014-05-18 01:43:52 AM
1 votes:

LadySusan: Z-clipped: LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?

Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience

So sorry. Really.


No, no... it's not like that.  I just got a head start on "shaking hands with the unemployed".
2014-05-18 01:35:54 AM
1 votes:

Z-clipped: LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?

Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience


So sorry. Really.
2014-05-18 01:35:49 AM
1 votes:
You wouldn't believe how many 5 to 10 year old voices I hear over my headset when I'm playing GTA online.

/That game is not for kids
//I report every one of them
2014-05-18 01:24:29 AM
1 votes:

sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.

I'd just chalk that up to "kids are horrible."

Because kids are horrible.  They hurt each other all the time, just for lulz.


And adults don't?
2014-05-18 01:21:13 AM
1 votes:
LadySusan:  Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.

Don't know about orgasm or jizz, but erections happen from birth.  My 6 year old proudly proclaimed his and announced it was because he liked girls.  He is, of course, completely unaware why or what "its purpose" is or why girls are responsible.  My other twin 6 y/o is oblivious.  I remember erections in 2nd grade (7?, 8?) after seeing a playboy magazine but didn't know about birds/bees until 4-5th grade and them only the technical details.  Father not really pleased with the 10 y/o boy innocently asking for a refresher on what the erect peepee was for in front of company.  "I know it's for something but I forgot." didn't cut it.  Also. no explanation as to why a boy would want to that so how the peepee worked the zipper was a magic puzzle not explained.

So yes, 8 is young enough for erection.  Way to young for any kind of sexual drive for rape.  I suspect the 8 y/o was not a stranger to sex assault/abuse himself.  Very disturbing that his sister (I suspect also not a stranger to sex assault) helped/encouraged him.  I'd be disappointed if only the school was held accountable.
2014-05-18 01:16:56 AM
1 votes:

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

Yes.
Let's hear you explanation.
The courser & courser public dialogue and behavior gets the more we hear this stuff and everyone acts SHOCKED but no one wants to have a dialogue about where this comes from
Let's hear yourexplanation
2014-05-18 01:11:44 AM
1 votes:
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


/Seriously? You're blaming the teachers for not being everywhere at once? Try blaming the scumbag kids who raped and assaulted your child. Idiot. And the sad thing is, she will sue the school and win millions, and the kids who did it are too young to be tried in court.
2014-05-18 01:01:13 AM
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southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
"When one little panda holds another panda down while a third gets rapey, that makes me a saaaaaad panda."

/hot
//the link, not the story
///the story is...ick...
2014-05-18 12:43:56 AM
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JoieD'Zen: kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.

No mention of family dynamics. Nope.


Or what she was wearing.

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


You can get an erection right out of the womb -- and spend the next several years wondering "why does it do that?"  I don't know about orgasms though.
2014-05-18 12:43:40 AM
1 votes:
What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?
2014-05-18 12:41:26 AM
1 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?
2014-05-18 12:39:28 AM
1 votes:

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


Boys can get erections at any age.  No, they can not ejaculate.  No idea on if they can have orgasms, but I'm assume so.

I remember when the girl upstairs showed me hers.  I was too embarrassed to show her mine, because it got all stiff.  Weird.

I musta been, like, six or seven.
2014-05-18 12:36:44 AM
1 votes:

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


One with Internet access?
2014-05-18 12:35:44 AM
1 votes:

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


You can't sue the kids.
2014-05-17 09:17:53 PM
1 votes:
The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.
 
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