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2014-05-18 02:34:02 AM

Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.


Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.
 
2014-05-18 02:35:09 AM

Thunderpipes:
The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.


The reason it won't happen is pretty obvious too. I can't imagine you ever being willing to trust the government to decide who is fit to be a parent (except for the completely obvious case of abuse or neglect proven beyond a reasonable doubt). Hell, I'm a big government libby lib and I wouldn't trust them with that power either.
 
2014-05-18 02:36:08 AM

phrawgh: [img.fark.net image 432x446]


If your gonna blame anyone not aligned to your asinine politic viewpoint...

i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-05-18 02:52:43 AM

tbeatty: phrawgh: [img.fark.net image 432x446]

If your gonna blame anyone not aligned to your asinine politic viewpoint...

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The difference being Obammy has expressed no pedophile-like tendencies in public?
 
2014-05-18 02:57:45 AM
This isn't about the kids per se; the fact that this kind of thinking is transposed onto the duo who did this is like "Devils Rejects" kind of insane and their still little kids... String that parent up by their toes and flay them till they die (make it slow)
 
2014-05-18 03:00:05 AM
They're - they are (dammit). Tis midnight and oh the horror of these evil little crotch monsters....
 
2014-05-18 03:01:36 AM
thenerdfightingfeminist.files.wordpress.com

Don't know about you but I'm buying shares in chastity belts. Thanks Obama!*


/*or something.
 
2014-05-18 03:04:24 AM

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing.  I am very embarrassed for the three of you.  I especially feel sorry for your grandparents;  They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind.  They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them.  I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is.  I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.
 
2014-05-18 03:05:37 AM

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


I blame polka music. That Lawrence Welk and his accordion have been damning children for decades.
 
2014-05-18 03:06:42 AM

GungFu: [thenerdfightingfeminist.files.wordpress.com image 475x360]

Don't know about you but I'm buying shares in chastity belts. Thanks Obama!*


/*or something.

Keys,Keys,Keys...where the Hell are they? Keys, I know I had them when I came home and put them....? Where are the F*&%KING KEYS!!! AHHHH!!!!
 
2014-05-18 03:13:11 AM

Cpl.D: Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this? Lemmie clue you into something, chief. I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment. Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original. It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it. That moment has passed. Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life. The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing. I am very embarrassed for the three of you. I especially feel sorry for your grandparents; They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind. They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them. I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is. I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.


This is pretty epic.
 
2014-05-18 03:16:03 AM

Cpl.D: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of ...


Assuming you are referring to the bolded...if so, yes sir, the F-ing political BS that permeates these threads without recourse stinks like a 3 day old corpse in the desert sun...sooo tired of that self righteous, misinformed crap ...
 
2014-05-18 03:16:26 AM
I have to agree with others saying these kids-- as heinous as they've become-- are likely abuse victims themselves. They learned this behavior from someone else, and they're passing on the abuse.

They need to be helped. Punish, but do it with an eye toward healing them and ending the cycle... And maybe find out who screwed them up so badly and punish THAT person.
 
2014-05-18 03:17:06 AM
I'm blaming the parents of the rapists.  This is a learned behavior, it's not natural for kids that age to know about sex or even think about rape.  Odds are that one or both of those kids have been sexually abused.  The parents need to be thoroughly investigated as well.
 
2014-05-18 03:27:03 AM

slayer199: I'm blaming the parents of the rapists.  This is a learned behavior, it's not natural for kids that age to know about sex or even think about rape.  Odds are that one or both of those kids have been sexually abused.  The parents need to be thoroughly investigated as well.


I'm betting on the girl; most likely to have been taken advantage of, and also most likely to implement 'revenge' thinking in trying to compensate the trauma and compensate by bringing in the brother who probably wasn't any better off. Again, still a massive fail on the parents who's babysitter was TV and couldn't take the time to take a look at what the hell their little monsters were coming up to be...
 
2014-05-18 03:28:35 AM

DemonStrayted: Cpl.D: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing. I am very embarrassed for the three of you. I especially feel sorry for your grandparents; They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind. They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them. I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is. I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is pretty epic.

Epic indeed, but mistargeted. As bad as Thunderpipes usual politicizing of a tragedy like this is, there's an even worse post in this thread ― the first post ever on FARK to make me seriously consider blocking someone.

I'm talking about this:

JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.

I hope that you're just a pathetic troll like Thunderpipes. Because if not, you're something truly vile, and you need to take a long, hard look into whatever passes for your soul.
 
2014-05-18 03:33:18 AM

COMALite J: I'm talking about this:


farking hell.  I didn't even catch that one.
 
2014-05-18 03:35:13 AM
img.fark.net^This
 
2014-05-18 03:37:06 AM

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards
 
2014-05-18 03:39:55 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 03:41:26 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards


p.gr-assets.com
 
2014-05-18 03:45:30 AM

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


I don't think you were allowed to test things on people to prove they are dangerous?
 
2014-05-18 03:46:29 AM
8 year old rapist.. yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't do that after catching your parents have consensual sex.  Or anyone else.

The kids were either raped themselves, or watched a lot of rapes happen, in person.
 
2014-05-18 03:53:40 AM
The school is still responsible here, as the rape took place on their property, and, schools are required to provide a safe environment.

Most schools these days encourage this behavior with their "conflict resolution" and other criminal rights nonsense. We do not punish misbehaving children....they all now have "disabilities"

Homes weren't perfect years ago, but, kids were expected to behave in school.

I hope the parents of the attacked daughter sue the hell out of the school and win.
 
2014-05-18 03:56:19 AM
What? Should I have not said that?

He needs a taste of his own medicine and then be rendered a eunuch.

Therapy won't do shiat to a fark like that kid.
 
2014-05-18 03:59:25 AM
The hell are all of you doing up this late/early? Now I've gone and given myself nightmares from this story. Experimented a little when I was much younger, with a willing, slightly older young lady. It's like that cartoon of two kids, both naked, the boy standing on top of the girl's head, saying, "Well, I'm on top, now what?" There was no sexualization; only way to tell the one on top is a boy is his hair, same goes for the girl. Much like those two, myself and the young lady had no idea what we were doing. While it was her idea, I don't think she was abused as a child, just curious. She may have seen her parents going at it and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
 
2014-05-18 04:02:22 AM

JerkyMeat: What? Should I have not said that?

He needs a taste of his own medicine and then be rendered a eunuch.

Therapy won't do shiat to a fark like that kid.


Then I'm glad you're not a therapist, but I will say I'm crushingly disappointed you somehow wound up as an example of our species.  Run along now... there's a fire somewhere you're depriving of having someone dying in it.
 
2014-05-18 04:02:41 AM

anuran: I would be surprised "if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time". The District takes mandatory reporting very seriously. People have been fired and teacher tenure broken for failing to report questionable cases. District policy is to report to the police and CPS immediately and to follow up on the initial report.


Just because the school district does doesn't mean PPB does.  And, based on my luck getting any followup on serious crimes committed against me, PPB doesn't.  But they'll go out of their way to harass you if you're driving or bicycling while redskin!
 
2014-05-18 04:03:30 AM

fusillade762: And I'm not sure how a rape at a school would "affect their stats".


I'd raise the official crime rate (which, in Portland, is  far below the actual rate, because PPB goes out of it's way to duck taking reports).
 
2014-05-18 04:04:18 AM

Trance354: The hell are all of you doing up this late/early? Now I've gone and given myself nightmares from this story. Experimented a little when I was much younger, with a willing, slightly older young lady. It's like that cartoon of two kids, both naked, the boy standing on top of the girl's head, saying, "Well, I'm on top, now what?" There was no sexualization; only way to tell the one on top is a boy is his hair, same goes for the girl. Much like those two, myself and the young lady had no idea what we were doing. While it was her idea, I don't think she was abused as a child, just curious. She may have seen her parents going at it and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.


Not unless they're used to their mom screaming in pain as she's raped.
 
2014-05-18 04:06:00 AM

Thunderpipes: jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.

Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides

Oh. I did not know this. Usually it is the stupid Jesus worshiping weirdos crying about evil TV and magic video boxes.

Oops. Letting spill I am not one of them.....


Ralph Nader
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/21/ralph-nader-calls-vi ol ent-video-games-electronic-child-molesters/

Sen Chris Murphy (D-Conn)
"I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day."

Hillary Clinton
"Grand Theft Auto...encourages [children] to have sex with prostitutes and then murder them."

Ed Schultz (MSNBC on GTA V)
"If you're a parent and you allow your son or daughter to watch this...you're a lousy parent."

And so many more. It is something that both sides derp about, and there are on both sides those that defend Video games. This is not a liberal or conservative Issue
 
2014-05-18 04:22:05 AM
Yes, yes, please go give the boy a group hug and then talk with him about his feelings. It will all be ok then.
 
2014-05-18 04:31:07 AM

IlGreven: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.

I'm surprised it took 7 posts to blame the media.  Fark is slipping.


Well let's look at what he actually posted. He said he was tempted to ask ""When does a kid that age even  learn about such things??? "

Yes, people can learn about such things from the media. He never said media was to blame, or that the media promoted rape, etc. But it is factual that children can learn about the existence of things through media. Acknowledging a fact is not the same as passing blame. Try reading what people actually type out and stop superimposing what you think they were thinking. The truth is in the actual typed words. Yes children can learn about the existence of sex and violence from seeing it on a screen. There is no way to say that's not true.

You can watch a documentary on African poaching when you're a kid and guess what, now you know that poaching exists. Did the documentary tell you it's ok? No. Are you parents still responsible for teaching you when and where it's ok or not ok to kill animals? Yep. But you still could have learned about the existence of such things from a media source. Just as watching internet porn can teach a young child penis goes where? That's not passing blame for your actions. That's just accepting that knowledge of stuff can be and is passed through media.
 
2014-05-18 04:38:24 AM

JerkyMeat: Yes, yes, please go give the boy a group hug and then talk with him about his feelings. It will all be ok then.


Yes, yes, we all caught your earlier proclamation of masterful stupidity.  You can put the sign down, we got the message.  You don't have to bother handing out flyers, for that matter.  Goodbye.
 
2014-05-18 04:40:06 AM

Thunderpipes: Even young children can tell the difference between reality and make believe.


Yeah....bullshiat. Not always. Not even close to always. Tell me some 7 year old watching GI Joe knows that laser guns aren't yet practical. Hell, when I saw Star Wars for the first time I wanted to be an X-Wing pilot when I grew up. Kids  need to be taught how to tell the difference between reality and make believe. That's part of good parenting. That's why some games, TV shows, and movies should be limited to older children. At least until after the parents have had a chance to teach real morals and critical thinking. I have no problem with a 13 year old playing GTA or COD (as long as they're not in my game. Can't stand those whiny voices). Once a child has been taught "don't hurt others" and can tell the difference between make believe and reality, than games and movies have a very minimal impact if any at all. But  absent any actual parenting, kids can and do assume what they see is real before they learn on their own what is and isn't.

To say that "young children can tell the difference between reality and make believe."would eliminate the whole idea of Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. Yet millions of children believe in that until they learn later on it's made up.

In a vacuum, games and movies can have a negative effect. But that's still not blaming media. Parents are supposed to teach children right and wrong and fantasy from reality. Once they do that properly, the effect of media is negligible and in almost all cases entirely negated by good parenting. But without that good parenting, you can't really say it has zero effect if media is the only thing they're learning from.
 
2014-05-18 04:41:09 AM

jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.

Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides

Oh. I did not know this. Usually it is the stupid Jesus worshiping weirdos crying about evil TV and magic video boxes.

Oops. Letting spill I am not one of them.....

Ralph Nader
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/21/ralph-nader-calls-vi ol ent-video-games-electronic-child-molesters/

Sen Chris Murphy (D-Conn)
"I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day."

Hillary Clinton
"Grand Theft Auto...encourages [children] to have sex with prostitutes and then murder them."

Ed Schultz (MSNBC on GTA V)
"If you're a parent and you allow your son or daughter to watch this...you're a lousy parent."

And so many more. It is something that both sides derp about, and there are on both sides those that defend Video games. This is not a liberal or conservative Issue


That is more a conflict of generations than ideologies. Notice the age of the people talking...

As for the story itself, this looks like abuse reciprocated by the abused.

How would a 10 year old girl know how to corrall another girl and direct her brother to commit the act. That or the 8 year old boy was the mastermind of the particular incident and that is even more unbelievable. Either way, no one that young would, you would think at least, know the mechanics or techniques involved unless it was experienced.
 
2014-05-18 04:51:33 AM

JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.


He's eight, you bloodthirsty turd. And he's already been raped. Where do you think he learned to do that?
 
2014-05-18 04:54:12 AM

taurusowner: e never said media was to blame


No, he just strongly implied it. Which is the same thing when you learn to spot the weasel words.
 
2014-05-18 05:05:30 AM

Ed Grubermann: taurusowner: e never said media was to blame

No, he just strongly implied it. Which is the same thing when you learn to spot the weasel words. I just set up a strawman and attacked that since he didn't actually say the stuff I accused him of saying.


Gotcha.
 
2014-05-18 05:26:16 AM
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I'm not even sure I'm up to reading this thread.

I will say that in I've worked at a facility that included very young (8-12 year old) sexual predators, and ALL of the staff that had worked there a long time said that there was nothing you could do to "save" the little monsters, they just became big monsters. Seemed to be hardwired into them.

You could put young sexual predators in prison forever to keep them away from society, but why would you do that? Last I checked, there was no shortage of bags or rivers. These humans are aberrations, and will only hurt others.
 
2014-05-18 05:26:53 AM
I don't know why that came out all bolded, sorry!
 
2014-05-18 05:45:42 AM

GungFu: Don't know about you but I'm buying shares in chastity belts. Thanks Obama!*


/*or something.


(In best Sheriff of Rottingham voice) A chastity belt? That'll chaffe my willy!
 
2014-05-18 06:15:05 AM
Knock off the politics. Can't you two NOT ever troll?

/no.. that's why you were highlighted before this thread. Like mammals copulating by instinct, you can't stop trolling. Completely disgusting.
 
2014-05-18 07:16:39 AM
To the issue of erections when young... when I was about 9 yrs old my best friend, and his sister (hottie, and also hyperactive... I imagine that would have been one hell of an energetic romp had it happened) and I were horsing around, and at one point she tackled me and ended up with her crotch in my face.... up like a tentpole I went, then her dad walked in and I pushed her off like it was no big deal and cleverly hid my embarrassment. I thought about that for a long time and had quite a bit of trouble going to sleep as I recall.

To the issue of ejaculate that young, I don't think that is possible till you hit puberty... but some kids hit puberty earlier or later than others... for me it was roughly 11.5/12 years old... somewhere in there... though I never got acne like the other kids did... just mild for me.

To the issue at hand, I agree with some of the posters that there may be a combination of factors
involved. I think the offenders may have been abused, but I also think they may have been unduly influenced by media as well... parents today take less and less time with their children and let them consume whatever media they desire. This is not good for a developing mind, and in fact can be quite detrimental. When I was growing up, we were not allowed to consume whatever media suited our fancy... and if, perchance, we did stumble across something inappropriate, my parents would talk to me about it, and explain that it wasn't real and there are consequences to doing such things.... today, not so much.
 
2014-05-18 07:25:42 AM
I remain somewhat skeptical.
 
2014-05-18 08:04:14 AM

FloridaFarkTag: The school is still responsible here, as the rape took place on their property, and, schools are required to provide a safe environment.

Most schools these days encourage this behavior with their "conflict resolution" and other criminal rights nonsense. We do not punish misbehaving children....they all now have "disabilities"

Homes weren't perfect years ago, but, kids were expected to behave in school.

I hope the parents of the attacked daughter sue the hell out of the school and win.


2/10
 
2014-05-18 08:16:36 AM

forgotmydamnusername: sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.


Anyone who thinks animals just know what to do has never had pets. My cat has only ever tried to mate with fuzzy blankets. Our only male dog with all his bits intact is even more confused. I believe he aims for faces of other dogs most of the time, or tries perpendicular, standing against their side.

A friend of mine had a Yorkie they wanted to breed who never did figure it out.
 
2014-05-18 08:31:42 AM
I'm willing to bet that this is not the first interaction between the victim and, at least, the older sister.  I will not be surprised if there's been a history of bullying (damn I hate that word). . .assault, intimidation, harassment, and torture that went unchecked by school and parents until it escalated to this level.
 
2014-05-18 08:42:19 AM
It's not today's society causing things like this to happen. I know three girls who were sexually assaulted on my school bus back in the 70's. The boys were bigger and more numerous than the girls, and any girl who sat at the back of the bus was considered by them to be 'asking for it'.  Being held down and groped, hands inside their pants or shirts, etc; what surprised me is the girls often would continue to go to the back of the bus after these assaults took place as if nothing had happened to them the day or week before.

I'm wondering if the kids had an older sibling at home who was sexually active. The ones I grew up with who had an older sexually active sister/brother tended to act completely different from the ones that didn't.
 
2014-05-18 08:54:37 AM

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


Well, this did happen in Oklahoma, a well know Liberal Democratic Stronghold.

Politicizing this is ridiculous. I want to know what religion these kids practice, and let's blame that!!!
 
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