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2014-05-17 09:17:53 PM  
The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.
 
2014-05-17 09:38:28 PM  

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


It' s hard to get money out of a 10 and 8 year old.

/should be hell to pay
 
2014-05-17 09:43:22 PM  

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


No mention of family dynamics. Nope.
 
2014-05-17 10:15:29 PM  
I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 
2014-05-17 10:22:53 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.

 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.
 
2014-05-17 10:23:09 PM  
www.troll.me

Subby that was well :(
 
2014-05-17 10:33:41 PM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.
 
2014-05-18 12:34:51 AM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.
 
2014-05-18 12:35:44 AM  

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


You can't sue the kids.
 
2014-05-18 12:36:44 AM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


One with Internet access?
 
2014-05-18 12:38:50 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.


I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.
 
2014-05-18 12:39:28 AM  

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


Boys can get erections at any age.  No, they can not ejaculate.  No idea on if they can have orgasms, but I'm assume so.

I remember when the girl upstairs showed me hers.  I was too embarrassed to show her mine, because it got all stiff.  Weird.

I musta been, like, six or seven.
 
2014-05-18 12:39:46 AM  
Zero tolerance, expell her for snitching
 
2014-05-18 12:40:26 AM  

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


You don't know me weally well now ,Do You?
 
2014-05-18 12:41:26 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?
 
2014-05-18 12:41:54 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


If anyone was ever going to follow up I'd bet we find a bottle of Androgel in the father's toiletries. Or mother's current boyfriend, I should say.
 
2014-05-18 12:43:40 AM  
What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?
 
2014-05-18 12:43:56 AM  

JoieD'Zen: kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.

No mention of family dynamics. Nope.


Or what she was wearing.

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


You can get an erection right out of the womb -- and spend the next several years wondering "why does it do that?"  I don't know about orgasms though.
 
2014-05-18 12:44:10 AM  

zarker: Zero tolerance, expell her for snitching


I was gonna make a "he's on football team" comment but your's works too.

/lots of therapy for the kids
//then lock 'em up for decades
///shoot their parents
 
2014-05-18 12:45:21 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


I would bet they are just bad people.
 
2014-05-18 12:45:49 AM  
A Lannister always pays his debts
 
2014-05-18 12:47:13 AM  
This is sad all ways round.
 
2014-05-18 12:48:27 AM  

sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.
 
2014-05-18 12:48:35 AM  

sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.
 
2014-05-18 12:49:10 AM  
Parents need to stop peeing in the gene pool.
 
2014-05-18 12:52:16 AM  
I'm not sure how the mother expects teachers to be monitoring the bathrooms at all times. Especially after school, many teachers are usually assigned to the bus line to make sure the kids are getting on the right buses, being safe, etc. I'm sure she will get some $$$ out of the schools, where the real fault is with the upbringing of those two miscreants.
 
2014-05-18 12:52:20 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.


Oh, sure, but I think one would figure it out after a few tries.
 
2014-05-18 12:53:15 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.


I'd just chalk that up to "kids are horrible."

Because kids are horrible.  They hurt each other all the time, just for lulz.
 
2014-05-18 12:55:45 AM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


Came here to say this. I guarantee you some adults in their lives did to them exactly what they did to the girl. Hopefully everyone in the story gets the help they need.
 
2014-05-18 12:56:41 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.


TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?
 
2014-05-18 12:58:10 AM  

sithon: What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


I didn't even get erections I remember till age 10, and they were only memorable because I lived in a dorm with slightly older boys. ("Free butt!" yelled Ronny E.)

How does an 8 year old achieve intromission? I'll wager it was fingers. I got it in Sonia F. (age 12) when I was around 10 1/2 but didn't know what to do with it, unlike the boyfriend of her alcoholic+pillhead mother. ("We're going to run away and get married when I'm old enough because we're In Love!") I don't even count that as "losing my virginity": that I give to Helen B. who moaned for half an hour (we were 14, I wasn't her first).

In other words, shenanigans. If you want me to believe it post some video.*


* Trolling? Me?
 
2014-05-18 12:59:46 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


Personally I blame pinball and radio for society's downfall. Oh and the automobile
 
2014-05-18 01:00:10 AM  

wildcardjack: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

If anyone was ever going to follow up I'd bet we find a bottle of Androgel in the father's toiletries. Or mother's current boyfriend, I should say.


I saw that episode of House recently.
 
2014-05-18 01:00:49 AM  
"Watch video below from KFOR 4"

Jesus, they have video? What kind of school are they running there?
 
2014-05-18 01:01:13 AM  
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
"When one little panda holds another panda down while a third gets rapey, that makes me a saaaaaad panda."

/hot
//the link, not the story
///the story is...ick...
 
2014-05-18 01:02:53 AM  

LadySusan: can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?


Yes.  Yes.  No.
 
2014-05-18 01:07:31 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


You don't recognize a pre-teen Cruel Intentions when you see one?
 
2014-05-18 01:07:51 AM  

Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?
 
2014-05-18 01:10:44 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?


No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.
 
2014-05-18 01:11:28 AM  
the article just makes me really sad.
this thread just wants me to take a shower.
gross!!!!!
 
2014-05-18 01:11:44 AM  
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


/Seriously? You're blaming the teachers for not being everywhere at once? Try blaming the scumbag kids who raped and assaulted your child. Idiot. And the sad thing is, she will sue the school and win millions, and the kids who did it are too young to be tried in court.
 
2014-05-18 01:12:28 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?


I'm thinking the same. Fark should delight, challenge, and offend. It shouldn't make you want to self-harm.
 
2014-05-18 01:14:32 AM  

LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?


Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience
 
2014-05-18 01:16:56 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

Yes.
Let's hear you explanation.
The courser & courser public dialogue and behavior gets the more we hear this stuff and everyone acts SHOCKED but no one wants to have a dialogue about where this comes from
Let's hear yourexplanation
 
2014-05-18 01:17:22 AM  

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


This.  They learn it from abuse.
 
2014-05-18 01:18:21 AM  

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


So behavior is learned, but it cannot be learned from television or video games, only from bad parents or other living influences?
 
2014-05-18 01:19:34 AM  
FTFA:  "I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


How about the parents of the kids?  As much as I'd be temped to take a baseball bat to the kids, were it my daughter or granddaughters,  I'd be even more inclined to so so as well to their parents but would probably  go with suing the farking shiat out of them for raising such criminals.
 
2014-05-18 01:20:25 AM  
Isn't this supposed to be the "good ol" heartland o the 'murca, where the people love jesus and jesus loves them.

/ex moved there to be a meth head
//good riddance
 
2014-05-18 01:21:13 AM  
LadySusan:  Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.

Don't know about orgasm or jizz, but erections happen from birth.  My 6 year old proudly proclaimed his and announced it was because he liked girls.  He is, of course, completely unaware why or what "its purpose" is or why girls are responsible.  My other twin 6 y/o is oblivious.  I remember erections in 2nd grade (7?, 8?) after seeing a playboy magazine but didn't know about birds/bees until 4-5th grade and them only the technical details.  Father not really pleased with the 10 y/o boy innocently asking for a refresher on what the erect peepee was for in front of company.  "I know it's for something but I forgot." didn't cut it.  Also. no explanation as to why a boy would want to that so how the peepee worked the zipper was a magic puzzle not explained.

So yes, 8 is young enough for erection.  Way to young for any kind of sexual drive for rape.  I suspect the 8 y/o was not a stranger to sex assault/abuse himself.  Very disturbing that his sister (I suspect also not a stranger to sex assault) helped/encouraged him.  I'd be disappointed if only the school was held accountable.
 
2014-05-18 01:22:04 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?


It comes from the perpetrators being abused themselves. Do you really think you learn the mechanics of sex from watching TV? At worst TV could teach kids that sex is hugging and rubbing up against each other.

For an 8 and 10 year old to hold down a classmate and rape her... lets just say they've had first hand experience before. And this connection of abused children becoming abusers is a known fact, unlike "oh my god, it must be TV and video games!" Ninny hand wringing.

I hope the cops take a close look at these kids' home life.
 
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