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2014-05-17 09:17:53 PM  
The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.
 
2014-05-17 09:38:28 PM  

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


It' s hard to get money out of a 10 and 8 year old.

/should be hell to pay
 
2014-05-17 09:43:22 PM  

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


No mention of family dynamics. Nope.
 
2014-05-17 10:15:29 PM  
I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 
2014-05-17 10:22:53 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.

 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.
 
2014-05-17 10:23:09 PM  
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Subby that was well :(
 
2014-05-17 10:33:41 PM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.
 
2014-05-18 12:34:51 AM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.
 
2014-05-18 12:35:44 AM  

kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.


You can't sue the kids.
 
2014-05-18 12:36:44 AM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


One with Internet access?
 
2014-05-18 12:38:50 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.


I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.
 
2014-05-18 12:39:28 AM  

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


Boys can get erections at any age.  No, they can not ejaculate.  No idea on if they can have orgasms, but I'm assume so.

I remember when the girl upstairs showed me hers.  I was too embarrassed to show her mine, because it got all stiff.  Weird.

I musta been, like, six or seven.
 
2014-05-18 12:39:46 AM  
Zero tolerance, expell her for snitching
 
2014-05-18 12:40:26 AM  

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


You don't know me weally well now ,Do You?
 
2014-05-18 12:41:26 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?
 
2014-05-18 12:41:54 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


If anyone was ever going to follow up I'd bet we find a bottle of Androgel in the father's toiletries. Or mother's current boyfriend, I should say.
 
2014-05-18 12:43:40 AM  
What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?
 
2014-05-18 12:43:56 AM  

JoieD'Zen: kidakita: The victim's mother said of the assault that there is blame to go around.
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'
 Typical.

No mention of family dynamics. Nope.


Or what she was wearing.

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.


You can get an erection right out of the womb -- and spend the next several years wondering "why does it do that?"  I don't know about orgasms though.
 
2014-05-18 12:44:10 AM  

zarker: Zero tolerance, expell her for snitching


I was gonna make a "he's on football team" comment but your's works too.

/lots of therapy for the kids
//then lock 'em up for decades
///shoot their parents
 
2014-05-18 12:45:21 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.


I would bet they are just bad people.
 
2014-05-18 12:45:49 AM  
A Lannister always pays his debts
 
2014-05-18 12:47:13 AM  
This is sad all ways round.
 
2014-05-18 12:48:27 AM  

sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.
 
2014-05-18 12:48:35 AM  

sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.
 
2014-05-18 12:52:16 AM  
I'm not sure how the mother expects teachers to be monitoring the bathrooms at all times. Especially after school, many teachers are usually assigned to the bus line to make sure the kids are getting on the right buses, being safe, etc. I'm sure she will get some $$$ out of the schools, where the real fault is with the upbringing of those two miscreants.
 
2014-05-18 12:52:20 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.


Oh, sure, but I think one would figure it out after a few tries.
 
2014-05-18 12:53:15 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.


I'd just chalk that up to "kids are horrible."

Because kids are horrible.  They hurt each other all the time, just for lulz.
 
2014-05-18 12:55:45 AM  

sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


Came here to say this. I guarantee you some adults in their lives did to them exactly what they did to the girl. Hopefully everyone in the story gets the help they need.
 
2014-05-18 12:56:41 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.


TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?
 
2014-05-18 12:58:10 AM  

sithon: What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.


I didn't even get erections I remember till age 10, and they were only memorable because I lived in a dorm with slightly older boys. ("Free butt!" yelled Ronny E.)

How does an 8 year old achieve intromission? I'll wager it was fingers. I got it in Sonia F. (age 12) when I was around 10 1/2 but didn't know what to do with it, unlike the boyfriend of her alcoholic+pillhead mother. ("We're going to run away and get married when I'm old enough because we're In Love!") I don't even count that as "losing my virginity": that I give to Helen B. who moaned for half an hour (we were 14, I wasn't her first).

In other words, shenanigans. If you want me to believe it post some video.*


* Trolling? Me?
 
2014-05-18 12:59:46 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


Personally I blame pinball and radio for society's downfall. Oh and the automobile
 
2014-05-18 01:00:10 AM  

wildcardjack: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

If anyone was ever going to follow up I'd bet we find a bottle of Androgel in the father's toiletries. Or mother's current boyfriend, I should say.


I saw that episode of House recently.
 
2014-05-18 01:00:49 AM  
"Watch video below from KFOR 4"

Jesus, they have video? What kind of school are they running there?
 
2014-05-18 01:01:13 AM  
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"When one little panda holds another panda down while a third gets rapey, that makes me a saaaaaad panda."

/hot
//the link, not the story
///the story is...ick...
 
2014-05-18 01:02:53 AM  

LadySusan: can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?


Yes.  Yes.  No.
 
2014-05-18 01:07:31 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


You don't recognize a pre-teen Cruel Intentions when you see one?
 
2014-05-18 01:07:51 AM  

Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?
 
2014-05-18 01:10:44 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?


No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.
 
2014-05-18 01:11:28 AM  
the article just makes me really sad.
this thread just wants me to take a shower.
gross!!!!!
 
2014-05-18 01:11:44 AM  
"I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


/Seriously? You're blaming the teachers for not being everywhere at once? Try blaming the scumbag kids who raped and assaulted your child. Idiot. And the sad thing is, she will sue the school and win millions, and the kids who did it are too young to be tried in court.
 
2014-05-18 01:12:28 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?


I'm thinking the same. Fark should delight, challenge, and offend. It shouldn't make you want to self-harm.
 
2014-05-18 01:14:32 AM  

LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?


Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience
 
2014-05-18 01:16:56 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

Yes.
Let's hear you explanation.
The courser & courser public dialogue and behavior gets the more we hear this stuff and everyone acts SHOCKED but no one wants to have a dialogue about where this comes from
Let's hear yourexplanation
 
2014-05-18 01:17:22 AM  

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


This.  They learn it from abuse.
 
2014-05-18 01:18:21 AM  

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


So behavior is learned, but it cannot be learned from television or video games, only from bad parents or other living influences?
 
2014-05-18 01:19:34 AM  
FTFA:  "I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


How about the parents of the kids?  As much as I'd be temped to take a baseball bat to the kids, were it my daughter or granddaughters,  I'd be even more inclined to so so as well to their parents but would probably  go with suing the farking shiat out of them for raising such criminals.
 
2014-05-18 01:20:25 AM  
Isn't this supposed to be the "good ol" heartland o the 'murca, where the people love jesus and jesus loves them.

/ex moved there to be a meth head
//good riddance
 
2014-05-18 01:21:13 AM  
LadySusan:  Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.

Don't know about orgasm or jizz, but erections happen from birth.  My 6 year old proudly proclaimed his and announced it was because he liked girls.  He is, of course, completely unaware why or what "its purpose" is or why girls are responsible.  My other twin 6 y/o is oblivious.  I remember erections in 2nd grade (7?, 8?) after seeing a playboy magazine but didn't know about birds/bees until 4-5th grade and them only the technical details.  Father not really pleased with the 10 y/o boy innocently asking for a refresher on what the erect peepee was for in front of company.  "I know it's for something but I forgot." didn't cut it.  Also. no explanation as to why a boy would want to that so how the peepee worked the zipper was a magic puzzle not explained.

So yes, 8 is young enough for erection.  Way to young for any kind of sexual drive for rape.  I suspect the 8 y/o was not a stranger to sex assault/abuse himself.  Very disturbing that his sister (I suspect also not a stranger to sex assault) helped/encouraged him.  I'd be disappointed if only the school was held accountable.
 
2014-05-18 01:22:04 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?


It comes from the perpetrators being abused themselves. Do you really think you learn the mechanics of sex from watching TV? At worst TV could teach kids that sex is hugging and rubbing up against each other.

For an 8 and 10 year old to hold down a classmate and rape her... lets just say they've had first hand experience before. And this connection of abused children becoming abusers is a known fact, unlike "oh my god, it must be TV and video games!" Ninny hand wringing.

I hope the cops take a close look at these kids' home life.
 
2014-05-18 01:22:38 AM  
And this is the generation that will be changing my diapers one day?
 
2014-05-18 01:23:07 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.

So behavior is learned, but it cannot be learned from television or video games, only from bad parents or other living influences?


Yes, to an extent. Some is innate of course.

Studies have shown this. A bad parent tends to make their kids bad. Video games and TV have absolutely no effect. Studied to death. Thought you liberals were supposed to be smart, why do you ignore science? And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.
 
2014-05-18 01:23:12 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play.


Such people should never become parents.
 
2014-05-18 01:24:16 AM  

RabbiSheepshanker: Adolf Oliver Nipples: What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?

I'm thinking the same. Fark should delight, challenge, and offend. It shouldn't make you want to self-harm.


But go ahead, self-harm anyway. And post pics!
 
2014-05-18 01:24:29 AM  

sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.

I'd just chalk that up to "kids are horrible."

Because kids are horrible.  They hurt each other all the time, just for lulz.


And adults don't?
 
2014-05-18 01:27:03 AM  
There is data that shows inappropriate and overt sexual behaviour displayed by very young children, is directly linked to those children having been victims of sexual molestation. The influence of tv, video games etc is, as far as I know, still just speculation by people on the internet. I've yet to see any data on that.

So I'd be looking closely at what went on at home.
 
2014-05-18 01:29:41 AM  

Thunderpipes: Thought you liberals were supposed to be smart, why do you ignore science?


Weird that I, of all people, would be asked this in this manner. I have been accused of all manner of things, from being a bleeding-heart liberal to an arch-conservative. I am neither. It's OK, you're just the most recent person to assume incorrectly, but man, it gets tiring when people try to put you in a neat little box. I am about as centrist as they come, and I reject nothing. Perhaps you would direct me to some of these studies you referenced?

The One True TheDavid: Such people should never become parents.


They have to be parents first in order to fail at being parents. One can't happen without the other.
 
2014-05-18 01:29:58 AM  

cygnusx13: sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

No, it's the violence aspect to it. They were hurting her, they knew they were hurting her, and they told her to be quiet. And there were two of them: a brother and sister. That means it's not just one kid who's a psychopath, and they're coming from the same home.

I'd just chalk that up to "kids are horrible."

Because kids are horrible.  They hurt each other all the time, just for lulz.

And adults don't?


Adults are the ones suggesting that in order for kids to learn not to hurt other kids, they have to be hurt by still more kids.

/yes, this actually is Fark's solution for bullies
//not that these little rapists are simply bullies
 
2014-05-18 01:31:49 AM  

Nidiot: There is data that shows inappropriate and overt sexual behaviour displayed by very young children, is directly linked to those children having been victims of sexual molestation. The influence of tv, video games etc is, as far as I know, still just speculation by people on the internet. I've yet to see any data on that.

So I'd be looking closely at what went on at home.


There is no link. Real simple reason why too. Even young children can tell the difference between reality and make believe. Not sure why people don't understand this. If we did not, and had access to the arsenals we did as kids, we all would have Tom and Jerry'd ourselves to extinction.
 
2014-05-18 01:31:52 AM  
I haven't read the thread but is that even possible?  I don't think I even got an erection until 12 years old.  I know for a fact that I didn't at eight though.  What the hell is going on out there these days?
 
2014-05-18 01:32:10 AM  

tbeatty: Way to young for any kind of sexual drive for rape.


Good point.  Most guys don't want to rape until their early to mid teens.
 
2014-05-18 01:32:24 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The One True TheDavid: Such people should never become parents.

They have to be parents first in order to fail at being parents. One can't happen without the other.


There should be a test and license involved.
 
2014-05-18 01:32:45 AM  
Jesus, time to pull the hormones out of the chocolate milk.
 
2014-05-18 01:33:07 AM  
What the fark? How the hell does an 8 year old know what to do with his penis? I'd like to speak with his parents. I bet their model citizens.
 
2014-05-18 01:33:31 AM  

LadySusan: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.



Well, all it takes is walking in on your parents (or the babysitter and her bf in my case) having sex. Common enough. One of my friends had to explain, that yes, mom had sex, and that's what sex is like between men and women. That was after her daughter sat at the top of the stairs apparently and watched mom get busy with her date.

The worst thing was her two year old ending up saying, over and over, what she heard the nine year old say: 'You had sex last night!' repeatedly, and loudly most of the day, much to her embarrassment.

As far as 'does it work?' for a guy that age, partially. You can get an erection, and even have an orgasm, but the rest of the plumbing doesn't necessarily work at capacity.
 
2014-05-18 01:33:57 AM  

Phelon Hardtimes: I haven't read the thread but is that even possible?  I don't think I even got an erection until 12 years old.  I know for a fact that I didn't at eight though.  What the hell is going on out there these days?


One thing is, and yes, this is backed up, research anyone... the incredible amount of nutrition (and fatness associated) available to kids today is making them hit puberty far faster in many cases then not too long ago.
 
2014-05-18 01:34:12 AM  

Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.


Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides
 
2014-05-18 01:35:49 AM  
You wouldn't believe how many 5 to 10 year old voices I hear over my headset when I'm playing GTA online.

/That game is not for kids
//I report every one of them
 
2014-05-18 01:35:54 AM  

Z-clipped: LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?

Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience


So sorry. Really.
 
2014-05-18 01:35:56 AM  

cwheelie: Let's hear you explanation.
The courser & courser public dialogue and behavior gets the more we hear this stuff and everyone acts SHOCKED but no one wants to have a dialogue about where this comes from


There was a story going around among my friends of a group of neighborhood brothers who did something similar to a mildly retarded 13 year old neighbor girl (one of our friends hung out with the brothers and confirmed that the 10 year old youngest brother was coaxed into having sex / raping her).

No one had any trouble believing it happened, because those boys were known to be a bunch of freaks who were capable of nearly anything.

This was in 1982, so I doubt that PONG or a particularly risque episode of Three's Company had any bearing on their behavior.
 
2014-05-18 01:36:20 AM  

Phelon Hardtimes: I haven't read the thread but is that even possible?  I don't think I even got an erection until 12 years old.  I know for a fact that I didn't at eight though.  What the hell is going on out there these days?


Apparenlty it is possible, but the sad bit is that the kid would normally not have any idea to then go and do such a thing with it, unless some seriously ugly abuse has been happening at home.
 
2014-05-18 01:36:24 AM  
What in the fark
 
2014-05-18 01:36:50 AM  

jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.

Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides


Oh. I did not know this. Usually it is the stupid Jesus worshiping weirdos crying about evil TV and magic video boxes.

Oops. Letting spill I am not one of them.....
 
2014-05-18 01:39:04 AM  
I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.
 
2014-05-18 01:41:04 AM  

Nidiot: Phelon Hardtimes: I haven't read the thread but is that even possible?  I don't think I even got an erection until 12 years old.  I know for a fact that I didn't at eight though.  What the hell is going on out there these days?

Apparenlty it is possible, but the sad bit is that the kid would normally not have any idea to then go and do such a thing with it, unless some seriously ugly abuse has been happening at home.



While I won't discount abuse, I won't jump right to that. Witnessing your parents, or the babysitter and her bf, having sex is common enough for kids.
 
2014-05-18 01:41:55 AM  
Clearly someone wasn't told to put it away before they poked someone's eye out with it.
 
2014-05-18 01:43:19 AM  

TomD9938: cwheelie: Let's hear you explanation.
The courser & courser public dialogue and behavior gets the more we hear this stuff and everyone acts SHOCKED but no one wants to have a dialogue about where this comes from

There was a story going around among my friends of a group of neighborhood brothers who did something similar to a mildly retarded 13 year old neighbor girl (one of our friends hung out with the brothers and confirmed that the 10 year old youngest brother was coaxed into having sex / raping her).

No one had any trouble believing it happened, because those boys were known to be a bunch of freaks who were capable of nearly anything.

This was in 1982, so I doubt that PONG or a particularly risque episode of Three's Company had any bearing on their behavior.


It was the short shorts!1111eleventyone
 
2014-05-18 01:43:52 AM  

LadySusan: Z-clipped: LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?

Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience

So sorry. Really.


No, no... it's not like that.  I just got a head start on "shaking hands with the unemployed".
 
2014-05-18 01:45:29 AM  
Yup, farked kids doing shiat they learned.

Decades after school, I can see why some kids were all messed up.
Across the spectrum of demographics. Very wealthy kids that 'dropped out' of private schools and children of Housekeepers.
I'm pretty sure I know the physically abused and the ones with "Funny Uncles" (for lack of a better term).

This one time, on a band trip, a girl freaked out when I just wanted to kiss. She told me later about some nasty stuff. First I had any first hand knowledge that this happened. I was very sad. She was a nice girl.She married some guy that beat her up.  She will talk to me on the beach but never go out on the boat.

Life sucks, then you die...
 
2014-05-18 01:45:42 AM  

sneako: I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.


This is a very real issue. And this is what bugs me about people who try to blame TV or video games. Even infants know the difference between real stuff and video. When something bad happens to you, it affects you. Watching a video screen does not.
 
2014-05-18 01:46:51 AM  
I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.
 
2014-05-18 01:48:07 AM  

Thunderpipes: Phelon Hardtimes: I haven't read the thread but is that even possible?  I don't think I even got an erection until 12 years old.  I know for a fact that I didn't at eight though.  What the hell is going on out there these days?

One thing is, and yes, this is backed up, research anyone... the incredible amount of nutrition (and fatness associated) available to kids today is making them hit puberty far faster in many cases then not too long ago.


I could see that and hormones doing that I guess.  Still, that's crazy to me.

Nidiot: Phelon Hardtimes: I haven't read the thread but is that even possible?  I don't think I even got an erection until 12 years old.  I know for a fact that I didn't at eight though.  What the hell is going on out there these days?

Apparenlty it is possible, but the sad bit is that the kid would normally not have any idea to then go and do such a thing with it, unless some seriously ugly abuse has been happening at home.


If not at home, certainly somewhere that they've been exposed to it.

WTF people?  Kids under 14 shouldn't even have those thoughts in their heads.  And rapey thoughts?  That's crazy shiat there.
 
2014-05-18 01:49:53 AM  

Testicular_Falcon_Punch: "I'm not blaming just the kids," she said. "I blame the teachers, the people who are supposed to protect our kids when they're at school.'


/Seriously? You're blaming the teachers for not being everywhere at once? Try blaming the scumbag kids who raped and assaulted your child. Idiot. And the sad thing is, she will sue the school and win millions, and the kids who did it are too young to be tried in court.


How about blaming the scumbag parents? If a child is a rapist at 8 years of age, he is being or has been horribly abused by either a parent or another guardian.
 
2014-05-18 01:51:18 AM  

Thunderpipes: sneako: I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.

This is a very real issue. And this is what bugs me about people who try to blame TV or video games. Even infants know the difference between real stuff and video. When something bad happens to you, it affects you. Watching a video screen does not.


I have to agree.  Nursery rhymes and old fairy tales are horrid, gruesome, tales of torture, murder and abuse, and have been told to kids for centuries.  Video game violence is nothing new or special.  Kids know the difference between "real" and "pretend".
 
2014-05-18 01:51:22 AM  

The One True TheDavid: RabbiSheepshanker: Adolf Oliver Nipples: What. The. Fark.

Is there anything so shocking that we won't be subjected to it?

I'm thinking the same. Fark should delight, challenge, and offend. It shouldn't make you want to self-harm.

But go ahead, self-harm anyway. And post pics!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Self-injury.svg
 
2014-05-18 01:55:40 AM  

Phelon Hardtimes: Kids under 14 shouldn't even have those thoughts in their heads.


14? Seriously?  Am I the only one here who had sexual thoughts at a very young age, or am I just the only one who remembers?  I mean, not rapey thoughts... but I distinctly recall wanting to have sex with girls at 7 or 8.  Hell, I had actual, real sex for the first time at 13.
 
2014-05-18 01:57:05 AM  

sneako: I am a psych nurse, and we have 2 floors of children that are victims of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse. 8 out of every 10 children i have taken care of sexually acted out. It is a learned behavior.


This.  The physiological response is at all ages.  the understanding and acting out is learned.   I've heard my 6 y/o use profanity in context with no understanding after hearing it at a baseball game.

Acting out and understanding that it is wrong, especially if they were forced to endue it themselves before any concept of reason, is very hard to deal with.  There are 3 victims here and justice is punishing their abusers.
 
2014-05-18 01:57:48 AM  
At risk of setting myself up as an expert (I'm not) I would bet my last penny that the two kids are victims of sexual abuse themselves. Either actual sexual abuse, or exposure to explicit material. That's how children learn how to do these things with no understanding of their meaning or harms.

I feel like everyone here is a victim, oddly.
 
2014-05-18 01:58:18 AM  
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2014-05-18 02:01:12 AM  

Spuddy345: At risk of setting myself up as an expert (I'm not) I would bet my last penny that the two kids are victims of sexual abuse themselves. Either actual sexual abuse, or exposure to explicit material. That's how children learn how to do these things with no understanding of their meaning or harms.

I feel like everyone here is a victim, oddly.



And you're only the 50th person to postulate this, congrats.
 
2014-05-18 02:05:49 AM  

Z-clipped: Phelon Hardtimes: Kids under 14 shouldn't even have those thoughts in their heads.

14? Seriously?  Am I the only one here who had sexual thoughts at a very young age, or am I just the only one who remembers?  I mean, not rapey thoughts... but I distinctly recall wanting to have sex with girls at 7 or 8.  Hell, I had actual, real sex for the first time at 13.


Don't get me wrong here and I might be the odd man out but I didn't know what sex was at 7 or 8.  I thought girls were cute and stole a kiss or two around 10 years old but I wasn't thinking about sex at all.  To be fair I grew up in a religious household and didn't have sex until I was 16.  I am 38 now so I don't know if younger folks are just farking younger now *shrugs*
 
2014-05-18 02:09:25 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.


I'm surprised it took 7 posts to blame the media.  Fark is slipping.
 
2014-05-18 02:11:59 AM  

neongoats: /ex moved there to be a meth head
//good riddance


Wow, wrong O-state.  I moved from Oregon to Oklahoma to get away from the hardcore tweakers, and succeeded overwhelmingly.

/Seriously wouldn't be surprised if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time, but doesn't get reported because the police don't want to negatively affect their stats...
 
2014-05-18 02:14:00 AM  
I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?
 
2014-05-18 02:17:15 AM  
Am I the only one thinking that abuse isn't the only way the kids got like this? It's entirely possible they saw dad putting mom in her place like this, and figured it's a good way to get what they want too.
Obviously, it's still a farked up home life in this scenario
 
2014-05-18 02:17:59 AM  

Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?



It could be the parents. Then again it could also be an uncle, cousin, grandparent, or family friend. Hopefully this will be investigated fully, and if these kids are being abused(which they likely are) their abusers should be punished for both the crimes against the rapist children, and for the crimes perpetrated upon the girl they raped.
 
2014-05-18 02:18:53 AM  

Baloo Uriza: neongoats: /ex moved there to be a meth head
//good riddance

Wow, wrong O-state.  I moved from Oregon to Oklahoma to get away from the hardcore tweakers, and succeeded overwhelmingly.

/Seriously wouldn't be surprised if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time, but doesn't get reported because the police don't want to negatively affect their stats...


I would be surprised "if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time". The District takes mandatory reporting very seriously. People have been fired and teacher tenure broken for failing to report questionable cases. District policy is to report to the police and CPS immediately and to follow up on the initial report.
 
2014-05-18 02:25:07 AM  

sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?


Thank you.
 
2014-05-18 02:25:36 AM  

Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?


This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.
 
2014-05-18 02:33:26 AM  

anuran: Baloo Uriza: neongoats: /ex moved there to be a meth head
//good riddance

Wow, wrong O-state.  I moved from Oregon to Oklahoma to get away from the hardcore tweakers, and succeeded overwhelmingly.

/Seriously wouldn't be surprised if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time, but doesn't get reported because the police don't want to negatively affect their stats...

I would be surprised "if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time". The District takes mandatory reporting very seriously. People have been fired and teacher tenure broken for failing to report questionable cases. District policy is to report to the police and CPS immediately and to follow up on the initial report.


And I'm not sure how a rape at a school would "affect their stats".
 
2014-05-18 02:34:02 AM  

Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.


Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.
 
2014-05-18 02:35:09 AM  

Thunderpipes:
The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.


The reason it won't happen is pretty obvious too. I can't imagine you ever being willing to trust the government to decide who is fit to be a parent (except for the completely obvious case of abuse or neglect proven beyond a reasonable doubt). Hell, I'm a big government libby lib and I wouldn't trust them with that power either.
 
2014-05-18 02:36:08 AM  

phrawgh: [img.fark.net image 432x446]


If your gonna blame anyone not aligned to your asinine politic viewpoint...

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2014-05-18 02:52:43 AM  

tbeatty: phrawgh: [img.fark.net image 432x446]

If your gonna blame anyone not aligned to your asinine politic viewpoint...

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The difference being Obammy has expressed no pedophile-like tendencies in public?
 
2014-05-18 02:57:45 AM  
This isn't about the kids per se; the fact that this kind of thinking is transposed onto the duo who did this is like "Devils Rejects" kind of insane and their still little kids... String that parent up by their toes and flay them till they die (make it slow)
 
2014-05-18 03:00:05 AM  
They're - they are (dammit). Tis midnight and oh the horror of these evil little crotch monsters....
 
2014-05-18 03:01:36 AM  
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Don't know about you but I'm buying shares in chastity belts. Thanks Obama!*


/*or something.
 
2014-05-18 03:04:24 AM  

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing.  I am very embarrassed for the three of you.  I especially feel sorry for your grandparents;  They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind.  They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them.  I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is.  I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.
 
2014-05-18 03:05:37 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


I blame polka music. That Lawrence Welk and his accordion have been damning children for decades.
 
2014-05-18 03:06:42 AM  

GungFu: [thenerdfightingfeminist.files.wordpress.com image 475x360]

Don't know about you but I'm buying shares in chastity belts. Thanks Obama!*


/*or something.

Keys,Keys,Keys...where the Hell are they? Keys, I know I had them when I came home and put them....? Where are the F*&%KING KEYS!!! AHHHH!!!!
 
2014-05-18 03:13:11 AM  

Cpl.D: Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this? Lemmie clue you into something, chief. I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment. Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original. It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it. That moment has passed. Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life. The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing. I am very embarrassed for the three of you. I especially feel sorry for your grandparents; They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind. They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them. I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is. I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.


This is pretty epic.
 
2014-05-18 03:16:03 AM  

Cpl.D: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of ...


Assuming you are referring to the bolded...if so, yes sir, the F-ing political BS that permeates these threads without recourse stinks like a 3 day old corpse in the desert sun...sooo tired of that self righteous, misinformed crap ...
 
2014-05-18 03:16:26 AM  
I have to agree with others saying these kids-- as heinous as they've become-- are likely abuse victims themselves. They learned this behavior from someone else, and they're passing on the abuse.

They need to be helped. Punish, but do it with an eye toward healing them and ending the cycle... And maybe find out who screwed them up so badly and punish THAT person.
 
2014-05-18 03:17:06 AM  
I'm blaming the parents of the rapists.  This is a learned behavior, it's not natural for kids that age to know about sex or even think about rape.  Odds are that one or both of those kids have been sexually abused.  The parents need to be thoroughly investigated as well.
 
2014-05-18 03:27:03 AM  

slayer199: I'm blaming the parents of the rapists.  This is a learned behavior, it's not natural for kids that age to know about sex or even think about rape.  Odds are that one or both of those kids have been sexually abused.  The parents need to be thoroughly investigated as well.


I'm betting on the girl; most likely to have been taken advantage of, and also most likely to implement 'revenge' thinking in trying to compensate the trauma and compensate by bringing in the brother who probably wasn't any better off. Again, still a massive fail on the parents who's babysitter was TV and couldn't take the time to take a look at what the hell their little monsters were coming up to be...
 
2014-05-18 03:28:35 AM  

DemonStrayted: Cpl.D: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

Are you really so desperate for attention you gotta troll a thread like this?  Lemmie clue you into something, chief.  I'm sure you're absolutely wetting yourself with urine and mirth right now because one of your betters deign briefly acknowledge your pathetic presence, but do try to listen for a moment.  Trolling isn't interesting, or witty, or original.  It's a piss poor carbon copy of a carbon copy of a carbon copy of something someone did once that might've been kind of funny back in the early history of the internet when gradeschoolers got a way onto it.  That moment has passed.  Now, all you're doing is clinging to a sad wreckage of a bygone bandwagon, hoping with utmost desperation that some pale, reflected glow of the old glory days might briefly illuminate what is probably a very bleak and uninteresting life.  The fact that you're incapable of bringing anything else to the table other than your usual shiatty attitude very poorly reflects upon you and your parents who have seriously neglected your upbringing. I am very embarrassed for the three of you. I especially feel sorry for your grandparents; They're probably removed far enough from this cesspool of stupidity that they can see what little you've got to offer to this world, and they'll have to spend their remaining days seeing what a horrible legacy they have to leave behind. They probably deserve better than that, and you just can't be bothered to give it to them. I ain't even mad at you, as I really don't think you're capable of understanding what a colossal waste of meagre effort and time your existence here is. I'm just disappointed you have to keep reminding us all of your family's incompetence and neglect.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is pretty epic.

Epic indeed, but mistargeted. As bad as Thunderpipes usual politicizing of a tragedy like this is, there's an even worse post in this thread ― the Boobies ever on FARK to make me seriously consider blocking someone.

I'm talking about this:

JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.

I hope that you're just a pathetic troll like Thunderpipes. Because if not, you're something truly vile, and you need to take a long, hard look into whatever passes for your soul.
 
2014-05-18 03:33:18 AM  

COMALite J: I'm talking about this:


farking hell.  I didn't even catch that one.
 
2014-05-18 03:35:13 AM  
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^This
 
2014-05-18 03:37:06 AM  

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards
 
2014-05-18 03:39:55 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards


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2014-05-18 03:41:26 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.

You know. I was shocked that you were making sense. It's obvious the kids were abused. Not being taught bad thing by video games

I thought! My god, something that we can agree on! Helping f*up kids that are abused.

Then you make the farking political conments. You're the dumbest idiot I know on these boards


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2014-05-18 03:45:30 AM  

Thunderpipes: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Boo_Guy: TV and video games? Really? You going to blame rock or jazz music next?

I've tried to reject this argument out of hand for a long time, but man, it has to come from somewhere. TV and video games have long been the substitute babysitters, and parents that care so little about their kids that they would exile them to TV and video games wouldn't be overly concerned about what they see or what they play. Is it so unreasonable to believe that at least some of the grotesque violence kids are exposed to regularly would have an effect on them?

No, no study, anywhere, has ever shown this.

Bad parenting, pure and simple.


I don't think you were allowed to test things on people to prove they are dangerous?
 
2014-05-18 03:46:29 AM  
8 year old rapist.. yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't do that after catching your parents have consensual sex.  Or anyone else.

The kids were either raped themselves, or watched a lot of rapes happen, in person.
 
2014-05-18 03:53:40 AM  
The school is still responsible here, as the rape took place on their property, and, schools are required to provide a safe environment.

Most schools these days encourage this behavior with their "conflict resolution" and other criminal rights nonsense. We do not punish misbehaving children....they all now have "disabilities"

Homes weren't perfect years ago, but, kids were expected to behave in school.

I hope the parents of the attacked daughter sue the hell out of the school and win.
 
2014-05-18 03:56:19 AM  
What? Should I have not said that?

He needs a taste of his own medicine and then be rendered a eunuch.

Therapy won't do shiat to a fark like that kid.
 
2014-05-18 03:59:25 AM  
The hell are all of you doing up this late/early? Now I've gone and given myself nightmares from this story. Experimented a little when I was much younger, with a willing, slightly older young lady. It's like that cartoon of two kids, both naked, the boy standing on top of the girl's head, saying, "Well, I'm on top, now what?" There was no sexualization; only way to tell the one on top is a boy is his hair, same goes for the girl. Much like those two, myself and the young lady had no idea what we were doing. While it was her idea, I don't think she was abused as a child, just curious. She may have seen her parents going at it and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
 
2014-05-18 04:02:22 AM  

JerkyMeat: What? Should I have not said that?

He needs a taste of his own medicine and then be rendered a eunuch.

Therapy won't do shiat to a fark like that kid.


Then I'm glad you're not a therapist, but I will say I'm crushingly disappointed you somehow wound up as an example of our species.  Run along now... there's a fire somewhere you're depriving of having someone dying in it.
 
2014-05-18 04:02:41 AM  

anuran: I would be surprised "if this happens in Portland Public Schools all the time". The District takes mandatory reporting very seriously. People have been fired and teacher tenure broken for failing to report questionable cases. District policy is to report to the police and CPS immediately and to follow up on the initial report.


Just because the school district does doesn't mean PPB does.  And, based on my luck getting any followup on serious crimes committed against me, PPB doesn't.  But they'll go out of their way to harass you if you're driving or bicycling while redskin!
 
2014-05-18 04:03:30 AM  

fusillade762: And I'm not sure how a rape at a school would "affect their stats".


I'd raise the official crime rate (which, in Portland, is  far below the actual rate, because PPB goes out of it's way to duck taking reports).
 
2014-05-18 04:04:18 AM  

Trance354: The hell are all of you doing up this late/early? Now I've gone and given myself nightmares from this story. Experimented a little when I was much younger, with a willing, slightly older young lady. It's like that cartoon of two kids, both naked, the boy standing on top of the girl's head, saying, "Well, I'm on top, now what?" There was no sexualization; only way to tell the one on top is a boy is his hair, same goes for the girl. Much like those two, myself and the young lady had no idea what we were doing. While it was her idea, I don't think she was abused as a child, just curious. She may have seen her parents going at it and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.


Not unless they're used to their mom screaming in pain as she's raped.
 
2014-05-18 04:06:00 AM  

Thunderpipes: jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.

Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides

Oh. I did not know this. Usually it is the stupid Jesus worshiping weirdos crying about evil TV and magic video boxes.

Oops. Letting spill I am not one of them.....


Ralph Nader
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/21/ralph-nader-calls-vi ol ent-video-games-electronic-child-molesters/

Sen Chris Murphy (D-Conn)
"I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day."

Hillary Clinton
"Grand Theft Auto...encourages [children] to have sex with prostitutes and then murder them."

Ed Schultz (MSNBC on GTA V)
"If you're a parent and you allow your son or daughter to watch this...you're a lousy parent."

And so many more. It is something that both sides derp about, and there are on both sides those that defend Video games. This is not a liberal or conservative Issue
 
2014-05-18 04:22:05 AM  
Yes, yes, please go give the boy a group hug and then talk with him about his feelings. It will all be ok then.
 
2014-05-18 04:31:07 AM  

IlGreven: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.

I'm surprised it took 7 posts to blame the media.  Fark is slipping.


Well let's look at what he actually posted. He said he was tempted to ask ""When does a kid that age even  learn about such things??? "

Yes, people can learn about such things from the media. He never said media was to blame, or that the media promoted rape, etc. But it is factual that children can learn about the existence of things through media. Acknowledging a fact is not the same as passing blame. Try reading what people actually type out and stop superimposing what you think they were thinking. The truth is in the actual typed words. Yes children can learn about the existence of sex and violence from seeing it on a screen. There is no way to say that's not true.

You can watch a documentary on African poaching when you're a kid and guess what, now you know that poaching exists. Did the documentary tell you it's ok? No. Are you parents still responsible for teaching you when and where it's ok or not ok to kill animals? Yep. But you still could have learned about the existence of such things from a media source. Just as watching internet porn can teach a young child penis goes where? That's not passing blame for your actions. That's just accepting that knowledge of stuff can be and is passed through media.
 
2014-05-18 04:38:24 AM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, yes, please go give the boy a group hug and then talk with him about his feelings. It will all be ok then.


Yes, yes, we all caught your earlier proclamation of masterful stupidity.  You can put the sign down, we got the message.  You don't have to bother handing out flyers, for that matter.  Goodbye.
 
2014-05-18 04:40:06 AM  

Thunderpipes: Even young children can tell the difference between reality and make believe.


Yeah....bullshiat. Not always. Not even close to always. Tell me some 7 year old watching GI Joe knows that laser guns aren't yet practical. Hell, when I saw Star Wars for the first time I wanted to be an X-Wing pilot when I grew up. Kids  need to be taught how to tell the difference between reality and make believe. That's part of good parenting. That's why some games, TV shows, and movies should be limited to older children. At least until after the parents have had a chance to teach real morals and critical thinking. I have no problem with a 13 year old playing GTA or COD (as long as they're not in my game. Can't stand those whiny voices). Once a child has been taught "don't hurt others" and can tell the difference between make believe and reality, than games and movies have a very minimal impact if any at all. But  absent any actual parenting, kids can and do assume what they see is real before they learn on their own what is and isn't.

To say that "young children can tell the difference between reality and make believe."would eliminate the whole idea of Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. Yet millions of children believe in that until they learn later on it's made up.

In a vacuum, games and movies can have a negative effect. But that's still not blaming media. Parents are supposed to teach children right and wrong and fantasy from reality. Once they do that properly, the effect of media is negligible and in almost all cases entirely negated by good parenting. But without that good parenting, you can't really say it has zero effect if media is the only thing they're learning from.
 
2014-05-18 04:41:09 AM  

jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: jedihirsch: Thunderpipes: And normally, it is the idiot conservatives going all anti-TV and video game.

Actually liberal pols and liberal activists are the same as the right on this issue. It both sides

Oh. I did not know this. Usually it is the stupid Jesus worshiping weirdos crying about evil TV and magic video boxes.

Oops. Letting spill I am not one of them.....

Ralph Nader
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/21/ralph-nader-calls-vi ol ent-video-games-electronic-child-molesters/

Sen Chris Murphy (D-Conn)
"I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day."

Hillary Clinton
"Grand Theft Auto...encourages [children] to have sex with prostitutes and then murder them."

Ed Schultz (MSNBC on GTA V)
"If you're a parent and you allow your son or daughter to watch this...you're a lousy parent."

And so many more. It is something that both sides derp about, and there are on both sides those that defend Video games. This is not a liberal or conservative Issue


That is more a conflict of generations than ideologies. Notice the age of the people talking...

As for the story itself, this looks like abuse reciprocated by the abused.

How would a 10 year old girl know how to corrall another girl and direct her brother to commit the act. That or the 8 year old boy was the mastermind of the particular incident and that is even more unbelievable. Either way, no one that young would, you would think at least, know the mechanics or techniques involved unless it was experienced.
 
2014-05-18 04:51:33 AM  

JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.


He's eight, you bloodthirsty turd. And he's already been raped. Where do you think he learned to do that?
 
2014-05-18 04:54:12 AM  

taurusowner: e never said media was to blame


No, he just strongly implied it. Which is the same thing when you learn to spot the weasel words.
 
2014-05-18 05:05:30 AM  

Ed Grubermann: taurusowner: e never said media was to blame

No, he just strongly implied it. Which is the same thing when you learn to spot the weasel words. I just set up a strawman and attacked that since he didn't actually say the stuff I accused him of saying.


Gotcha.
 
2014-05-18 05:26:16 AM  
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I'm not even sure I'm up to reading this thread.

I will say that in I've worked at a facility that included very young (8-12 year old) sexual predators, and ALL of the staff that had worked there a long time said that there was nothing you could do to "save" the little monsters, they just became big monsters. Seemed to be hardwired into them.

You could put young sexual predators in prison forever to keep them away from society, but why would you do that? Last I checked, there was no shortage of bags or rivers. These humans are aberrations, and will only hurt others.
 
2014-05-18 05:26:53 AM  
I don't know why that came out all bolded, sorry!
 
2014-05-18 05:45:42 AM  

GungFu: Don't know about you but I'm buying shares in chastity belts. Thanks Obama!*


/*or something.


(In best Sheriff of Rottingham voice) A chastity belt? That'll chaffe my willy!
 
2014-05-18 06:15:05 AM  
Knock off the politics. Can't you two NOT ever troll?

/no.. that's why you were highlighted before this thread. Like mammals copulating by instinct, you can't stop trolling. Completely disgusting.
 
2014-05-18 07:25:42 AM  
I remain somewhat skeptical.
 
2014-05-18 08:04:14 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: The school is still responsible here, as the rape took place on their property, and, schools are required to provide a safe environment.

Most schools these days encourage this behavior with their "conflict resolution" and other criminal rights nonsense. We do not punish misbehaving children....they all now have "disabilities"

Homes weren't perfect years ago, but, kids were expected to behave in school.

I hope the parents of the attacked daughter sue the hell out of the school and win.


2/10
 
2014-05-18 08:16:36 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: sendtodave: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Benevolent Misanthrope: I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even learn about such things???" Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look. Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib. Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

I'd bet money the kids were sexually abused themselves and just re-enacting what was done to them as a coping mechanism.

Are we operating under an assumption that mammals don't know how to copulate without being taught?

I remember being offered the opportunity by a neighbor girl when I was about 7. Made a complete botch of it before her older brother walked in on us, causing me to flee via the window. So I'd say no, humans anyway, don't automatically know what to do.


Anyone who thinks animals just know what to do has never had pets. My cat has only ever tried to mate with fuzzy blankets. Our only male dog with all his bits intact is even more confused. I believe he aims for faces of other dogs most of the time, or tries perpendicular, standing against their side.

A friend of mine had a Yorkie they wanted to breed who never did figure it out.
 
2014-05-18 08:31:42 AM  
I'm willing to bet that this is not the first interaction between the victim and, at least, the older sister.  I will not be surprised if there's been a history of bullying (damn I hate that word). . .assault, intimidation, harassment, and torture that went unchecked by school and parents until it escalated to this level.
 
2014-05-18 08:42:19 AM  
It's not today's society causing things like this to happen. I know three girls who were sexually assaulted on my school bus back in the 70's. The boys were bigger and more numerous than the girls, and any girl who sat at the back of the bus was considered by them to be 'asking for it'.  Being held down and groped, hands inside their pants or shirts, etc; what surprised me is the girls often would continue to go to the back of the bus after these assaults took place as if nothing had happened to them the day or week before.

I'm wondering if the kids had an older sibling at home who was sexually active. The ones I grew up with who had an older sexually active sister/brother tended to act completely different from the ones that didn't.
 
2014-05-18 08:54:37 AM  

Thunderpipes: Thunderpipes: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

This is a good post.

The answer is obvious, but will never happen. Have to pass a serious test to have kids. Income, background, psych, everything.

Oh, reason this would never happen? Democrats would never win another election after a generation or two. They could not survive without massive poverty and kids squirting everywhere.


Well, this did happen in Oklahoma, a well know Liberal Democratic Stronghold.

Politicizing this is ridiculous. I want to know what religion these kids practice, and let's blame that!!!
 
2014-05-18 09:12:48 AM  

tbeatty: LadySusan:  Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz? Ewww, it's gross thinking about it. When's puberty anyway? I thought it was around 11 or 12 or something like that. Get off my lawn, can't remember.

Don't know about orgasm or jizz, but erections happen from birth.  My 6 year old proudly proclaimed his and announced it was because he liked girls.  He is, of course, completely unaware why or what "its purpose" is or why girls are responsible.  My other twin 6 y/o is oblivious.  I remember erections in 2nd grade (7?, 8?) after seeing a playboy magazine but didn't know about birds/bees until 4-5th grade and them only the technical details.  Father not really pleased with the 10 y/o boy innocently asking for a refresher on what the erect peepee was for in front of company.  "I know it's for something but I forgot." didn't cut it.  Also. no explanation as to why a boy would want to that so how the peepee worked the zipper was a magic puzzle not explained.

So yes, 8 is young enough for erection.  Way to young for any kind of sexual drive for rape.  I suspect the 8 y/o was not a stranger to sex assault/abuse himself.  Very disturbing that his sister (I suspect also not a stranger to sex assault) helped/encouraged him.  I'd be disappointed if only the school was held accountable.


My son is two and has had erections since birth. Of course, at his age, he can't really cause them himself. It normally happens after he wakes up. It's always tricky changing his diaper since I have to make sure it's facing down (otherwise he pees up the front).

This case, though...these kids have been abused. They learned it from somewhere and it wasn't from tv. This was them reenacting something traumatic.
 
2014-05-18 09:40:03 AM  

Medic Zero: .

I'm not even sure I'm up to reading this thread.

I will say that in I've worked at a facility that included very young (8-12 year old) sexual predators, and ALL of the staff that had worked there a long time said that there was nothing you could do to "save" the little monsters, they just became big monsters. Seemed to be hardwired into them.

You could put young sexual predators in prison forever to keep them away from society, but why would you do that? Last I checked, there was no shortage of bags or rivers. These humans are aberrations, and will only hurt others.


It sounds in this case like the ten year old sister is the main predator. She chose the victim, held her down, and directed the eight year old. It sounds from TFA like he acted on big sis's orders. He may very well be her victim, too, in which case there may be hope for him, with some very intensive therapy.

The siblings need to be separated, long term, and the family needs to be examined under a microscope. Because there is some bad shiat going down somewhere.
 
2014-05-18 10:41:57 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Perhaps you would direct me to some of these studies you referenced?


Here, to me, is the most telling statistic:

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As violent video games have increased in number and popularity, violent crime has gone down dramatically... So, if there's any link, it's the exact opposite link people might expect...

But, here's Wikipedia's page about media violence research, which has some info and links on both sides of the debate...
 
2014-05-18 10:51:57 AM  

RobSeace: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Perhaps you would direct me to some of these studies you referenced?

Here, to me, is the most telling statistic:

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As violent video games have increased in number and popularity, violent crime has gone down dramatically... So, if there's any link, it's the exact opposite link people might expect...

But, here's Wikipedia's page about media violence research, which has some info and links on both sides of the debate...


If a plummeting violent crime rate isn't a good argument against gun control, then it shouldn't be considered a good argument here either. We should ban all violent media just to be safe. Surely you can find another way to compensate for your small manhood rather than living vicariously through power fantasies.
 
2014-05-18 11:01:59 AM  

Z-clipped: LadySusan: Z-clipped: LadySusan: This. Also, can 8 year olds get erections, have orgasms, jizz?

Yes, 8 year olds can have orgasms.  For that matter, so can 5 year olds.

/speaking from experience

So sorry. Really.

No, no... it's not like that.  I just got a head start on "shaking hands with the unemployed".


Oh, good then. You won't mind if we don't shake your hand now?
 
2014-05-18 11:02:40 AM  
I was masturbating from at least the age of 6 and I definitely achieved orgasm. Granted, I am female, but I think the only difference is that boys just don't ejaculate until the onset of puberty. They can still have a "dry" orgasm though...

And no one abused, molested, or taught me anything. I just knew that it felt good so I did it.

Also, I am 6 months pregnant with my first child (a boy) and pretty much every one of my pregnancy books has mentioned that not only can babies get erections and become aroused in utero, but that they have actually "caught" quite a few masturbating. We saw my niece very vigorously rubbing between her legs during one of the later ultrasounds...and I'm pretty sure we saw my son's erect penis during our last scan; either that or his umbilical cord was very strategically placed. But it is certainly not beyond the scope of believability to think that these kids may not have had a prior example to emulate before doing what they did.
 
2014-05-18 11:03:24 AM  

umad: If a plummeting violent crime rate isn't a good argument against gun control,


Actually, it is a pretty good argument, IMHO! At least if you can show gun ownership rates increasing at the same time as crime is falling...

I think most proposed gun-control ideas are pretty damned stupid and pointless, anyway... Banning the scary-looking guns? Yeah, that'll help, dumbass! But, on the other hand, some ideas seem actually sensible, like universal background checks and mandatory training... That might actually do something useful... But, whatever... Like you say, crime is down, so I don't really care...
 
2014-05-18 11:04:33 AM  

Boo_Guy: Benevolent Misanthrope: sithon: Ambivalence: I don't even want to think about how screwed up a kid has to be in the head to rape a girl at 8 and 10 (and the sister was as much involved as the brother).

I'm going back to my happy place and I'm not coming out.

/la la la...can't hear you.
 they are probably victims of sexual abuse themselves. What 8yo boy even knows what a penis is for ? other than peeing through.

I was tempted to ask, "When does a kid that age even  learn about such things???"  Then I remembered what's on TV, in games, and everywhere you care to look.  Like it or not, kids learn about sex and violence pretty-much in the crib.  Most, though, also learn about acceptable and unacceptable behaviour - though that line keeps moving, too.

Honestly, I can't say as I'm surprised.  Disappointed, appalled... but not surprised.

TV and video games? Really?  You going to blame rock or jazz music next?


Reading comprehension, man.  Brush up.
 
2014-05-18 11:52:56 AM  

seapig: I was masturbating from at least the age of 6 and I definitely achieved orgasm. Granted, I am female, but I think the only difference is that boys just don't ejaculate until the onset of puberty. They can still have a "dry" orgasm though...

And no one abused, molested, or taught me anything. I just knew that it felt good so I did it.

Also, I am 6 months pregnant with my first child (a boy) and pretty much every one of my pregnancy books has mentioned that not only can babies get erections and become aroused in utero, but that they have actually "caught" quite a few masturbating. We saw my niece very vigorously rubbing between her legs during one of the later ultrasounds...and I'm pretty sure we saw my son's erect penis during our last scan; either that or his umbilical cord was very strategically placed. But it is certainly not beyond the scope of believability to think that these kids may not have had a prior example to emulate before doing what they did.


Very important lesson for parents of baby boys: Not only do they get morning wood (and afternoon, evening, etc.) but a breeze round their boy parts seems to make them let loose like a fire hose, each and every time. Unless you welcome a face full of baby boy pee, keep a diaper rag on the changing table, and lay it over the business end as you are wiping up and getting the new diaper in place. You will thank me at 3 am.
 
2014-05-18 01:47:13 PM  
Having watched Nickelodeon in the mid-to-late 80s, they should totally bring back Kids Court for kid-on-kid crime like this.
 
2014-05-18 02:22:15 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I do not think there is a direct correlation between video games or other media and violent crime, but I do believe that media of that type has an impact on people's ability to be oversaturated and sort of dead to violent crime emotionally... crimes that 50yrs ago would be unthinkable to the average person are things we watch on primtime television. I believe there is something inherently wrong with that.


I'm not sure there's necessarily anything wrong with mere desensitization to violence... Is it really so much better to stay sheltered from it and then be so shocked and traumatized by it should you ever encounter it that you end up with PTSD or something? If violence were not a part of reality that most of us will run into at some point, then maybe that would make sense... But, it turns out homo sapiens are a pretty violent group of apes, so it may just be better to become a little desensitized to it for our own good... As long as it's not actually causing harm (ie: making us actually commit more violence), I fail to see the real downside...
 
2014-05-18 02:43:51 PM  
Brother and sister should both be euthanized like the filthy animals they are.
 
2014-05-18 03:16:43 PM  

Ed Grubermann: JerkyMeat: I hope there is a long line forming to rape the boy who did it.

He's eight, you bloodthirsty turd. And he's already been raped. Where do you think he learned to do that?


Watching too much Game of Thrones.
 
2014-05-18 03:51:31 PM  

tbeatty: Don't know about orgasm or jizz, but erections happen from birth.  My 6 year old proudly proclaimed his and announced it was because he liked girls.  He is, of course, completely unaware why or what "its purpose" is or why girls are responsible.  My other twin 6 y/o is oblivious.


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2014-05-18 06:58:01 PM  
Man, kids are having sex at younger and younger ages.  Apparently, this who attack appears to have been spearheaded by the 10 year old sister.
 
2014-05-18 07:54:44 PM  

Nidiot: There is data that shows inappropriate and overt sexual behaviour displayed by very young children, is directly linked to those children having been victims of sexual molestation. The influence of tv, video games etc is, as far as I know, still just speculation by people on the internet. I've yet to see any data on that.

So I'd be looking closely at what went on at home.


I've had a rather distracting sexual drive since I was about six years old. I don't remember being abused though. Granted, I haven't raped anyone nor had any desire to either.
 
2014-05-18 10:59:31 PM  

BadReligion: Cpl.D: I want all the kids involved to get some serious counseling.  They can recover, maybe.  The parents?  I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.  After having every goddamned tooth knocked out of their mouths with a socket wrench.  With a few extra whacks just to make farking sure.

You need a license to drive a car.  You need a license to catch a farking fish.  But any incompetant asshole can have as many kids as they want and ruin dozens and dozens of lives and somehow that's protected.

This planet farking sucks anymore.  But I don't think for a second we didn't somehow earn it.  There's two things you can do when something's broke.  You can fix it, or you can throw it away.  So the question is, how can we fix it?  What the hell do we do?

It could be the parents. Then again it could also be an uncle, cousin, grandparent, or family friend. Hopefully this will be investigated fully, and if these kids are being abused(which they likely are) their abusers should be punished for both the crimes against the rapist children, and for the crimes perpetrated upon the girl they raped.


This is a great way to give government control of every last aspect of your life.
Who gets to write the test?
Who determines what an acceptable answer is?
What happens when a group takes power that you don't agree with and they change the test to something you don't like?
I thought a major complaint of the Left is that the government needs to stay out of our bedrooms.
And requiring a test and permit to be a parent is just fine but don't ever suggest that we need to test someone before they can vote.

/A test for parenthood is one of the dumbest things anyone could ever suggest.
 
2014-05-19 02:30:13 AM  
An 8-year-old is certainly physically capable, but Jesus... my eldest is 8 and believes in Santa and covers his eyes whenever there is smooching on the tv. Maybe I'm weird, but my reaction to this, after of course blind rage and protectiveness, would not be to blame the teachers, and really not the kids either. I'd be dismayed beyond words that an 8 and 10 year old are already that farked up, likely irrevocably. That's just heartbreaking. Who the fark has done what to those kids? THAT is who I want to tear limb from limb.
 
2014-05-19 06:13:40 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I guess my point is there must be a happy medium somewhere... perhaps have the kids watch the crap, but have parents take an active roll in their lives and actually talking to them about these things (like prior generations)...


Yes, and hopefully most of them do just that... It's always the shiatty parents you hear about, because they (or their kids) make the news...

But, like others have said, I suspect there's more going on here than just neglectful parents who let their kids watch/play whatever adult crap they want without supervision... Someone is likely abusing those kids...
 
2014-05-19 12:40:27 PM  
Maybe it was aliens.
 
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