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(KTVU Bay Area News)   Family sues BART after a worker was struck and killed by a train. When contacted for comment BART laughed and said they could eat his shorts   (ktvu.com) divider line 32
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2014-05-17 10:34:36 PM  
cdn.sheknows.com
 
2014-05-18 12:24:10 AM  
You can't prove anything.
 
2014-05-18 12:24:56 AM  
brother just cant catch a break...
www.morethings.com
 
2014-05-18 12:33:42 AM  
FTA:

Their deaths occurred while workers from two of BART's largest unions were on their second strike within four months and train service was halted.

Teaches you to attempt to extort your employer by depriving them of skilled and knowledgeable labor essential for the safe execution of the operation (also known as going on strike)

Where is Grumpy Cat when we need him?  Oh there he is.

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Family should not even get a pogo stick to jump around on.
 
2014-05-18 12:48:44 AM  
If you can't be bothered to even warn workers of oncoming trains, slap a nerf cowcatcher on the front of the son of a biatch so at least there's a chance they'll be shoved out of harm's way, for goodness' sake.
 
2014-05-18 12:53:14 AM  
He's a mur diddly urdler!
 
2014-05-18 01:02:12 AM  
It's not the BART's fault.

We know where trains go, they are on tracks. We know when they go there, they are on schedules.

What this is, is a lack of basic safety protocol. Probably brought about by constant strikes.
 
2014-05-18 01:07:08 AM  

fluffy2097: It's not the BART's fault.

We know where trains go, they are on tracks. We know when they go there, they are on schedules.

What this is, is a lack of basic safety protocol. Probably brought about by constant strikes.


Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.
 
2014-05-18 01:29:02 AM  
When will people learn that mass transit doesn't work?  Buy a car, pay parking and taxes and everyone wins.
 
2014-05-18 01:37:25 AM  
¡Ay, Caramba!
 
2014-05-18 02:07:23 AM  
I call the big one bitey
 
2014-05-18 02:17:36 AM  
Their deaths occurred while workers from two of BART's largest unions were on their second strike within four months and train service was halted.

Incompetent, asshole scab...
 
2014-05-18 02:18:53 AM  

Bootysama: fluffy2097: It's not the BART's fault.

We know where trains go, they are on tracks. We know when they go there, they are on schedules.

What this is, is a lack of basic safety protocol. Probably brought about by constant strikes.

Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.


We're talking about a region where you can make $100k and still be homeless.
 
2014-05-18 02:20:25 AM  

tbeatty: When will people learn that mass transit doesn't work?  Buy a car, pay parking and taxes and everyone wins.


You sound like you're stuck on the 405 going less than 5MPH...
 
2014-05-18 02:40:02 AM  
Bootysama: Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.

False!

While they are highly paid, "the average gross pay for the blue-collar BART union workers who are threatening another shutdown was $76,551 last year."

There are plenty of valid reasons to not like BART union workers, but you just look real dumb when you make stuff up.
 
2014-05-18 02:48:46 AM  
Did the train de-rail? Oh, it didn't? How bout you stay the fark off the tracks, and you probably won't get hit by a freakin' train. This isn't a hard concept. I recognize that there can be circumstances that put people on the tracks unintentionally, but for the most part, I can't scape up much sympathy for hit-by-train morans.
 
2014-05-18 04:42:39 AM  

PolyHatSnake: Did the train de-rail? Oh, it didn't? How bout you stay the fark off the tracks, and you probably won't get hit by a freakin' train. This isn't a hard concept. I recognize that there can be circumstances that put people on the tracks unintentionally, but for the most part, I can't scape up much sympathy for hit-by-train morans.


It gets worse. There were TWO people who were struck and killed. Why two, when it's a one-man job? SImple: One of them had a job of "watch for trains and alert the second guy if one is coming." That was his entire job. I wonder if the lawsuit is for the one who was doing maintenance or the one who was supposed to be standing off the tracks and watching for trains.
 
2014-05-18 05:23:24 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Bootysama: Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.

False!

While they are highly paid, "the average gross pay for the blue-collar BART union workers who are threatening another shutdown was $76,551 last year."

There are plenty of valid reasons to not like BART union workers, but you just look real dumb when you make stuff up.


Not to mention this is the Bay Area which has a pretty high cost of living to begin with.
 
2014-05-18 05:36:41 AM  

Bootysama: fluffy2097: It's not the BART's fault.

We know where trains go, they are on tracks. We know when they go there, they are on schedules.

What this is, is a lack of basic safety protocol. Probably brought about by constant strikes.

Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.


Woah woah: the average pay is $130k, not the average worker's salary. It's like saying the average Microsoft employee makes a million dollars a year while including Bill Gates. That's probably true of some of the conductors but not everybody. The employees on strike were the support staff and nobody had gotten a raise in about four years due to budget cuts.

Also, yeah the strike was a stupid and wasteful thing. But these guys were on the clock doing maintenance and the train they were hit by was doing training mandated by the BART board and agreements with the NTSB. Nobody involved here deserved this.
 
2014-05-18 07:59:23 AM  

thecactusman17: Woah woah: the average pay is $130k, not the average worker's salary. It's like saying the average Microsoft employee makes a million dollars a year while including Bill Gates. That's probably true of some of the conductors but not everybody. The employees on strike were the support staff and nobody had gotten a raise in about four years due to budget cuts.


Their top paid janitor gets paid 80k a year.

On average, they make 10 to 30k a year more then other people doing the exact same job in other places.

They are obscenely well paid.
 
2014-05-18 08:37:28 AM  

fluffy2097: thecactusman17: Woah woah: the average pay is $130k, not the average worker's salary. It's like saying the average Microsoft employee makes a million dollars a year while including Bill Gates. That's probably true of some of the conductors but not everybody. The employees on strike were the support staff and nobody had gotten a raise in about four years due to budget cuts.

Their top paid janitor gets paid 80k a year.

On average, they make 10 to 30k a year more then other people doing the exact same job in other places.

They are obscenely well paid.


In one of the most obscenely expensive places to live.

Just to give you an idea of how incredibly stupid the cost of living is in San Fran:

When compared to my city (Cleveland, OH), if you were to make say $60,000/yr in salary here, in San Fran various items like-  Groceries 16% more; Housing 210% more; Utilities 1% more; Transportation 12% more; Health Care 13% more.  I'd have to be making over $90,000 just break even with what I make here in Cleveland.  To live in Oakland I'd have to make $20,000 more, and San Jose is about on par with San Fran.  Like I said- it's ridiculous.
 
2014-05-18 09:02:44 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: In one of the most obscenely expensive places to live.

Just to give you an idea of how incredibly stupid the cost of living is in San Fran:


Tell me more about where I've lived, and the rents my friends are paying...

The bay area has this thing called BART, that allows you to live outside the most expensive areas to rent.

If you can't afford to house your basic utility workers because rents are so inflated, perhaps something is wrong with the market there, and it's not BART workers being paid to little.
 
2014-05-18 09:10:03 AM  

Summoner101: Wake Up Sheeple: Bootysama: Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.

False!

While they are highly paid, "the average gross pay for the blue-collar BART union workers who are threatening another shutdown was $76,551 last year."

There are plenty of valid reasons to not like BART union workers, but you just look real dumb when you make stuff up.

Not to mention this is the Bay Area which has a pretty high cost of living to begin with.


Which illustrates why a minimum wage law which is a one size fits all with one set value for all regions like what Obummer is crying for is stupid. It should be tied to the cost of living in the area.
 
2014-05-18 09:46:25 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Which illustrates why a minimum wage law which is a one size fits all with one set value for all regions like what Obummer is crying for is stupid. It should be tied to the cost of living in the area.


Meanwhile Switzerland is considering raising the minimum wage to $25 an hour.

I don't think they will though.
 
2014-05-18 11:14:30 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Summoner101: Wake Up Sheeple: Bootysama: Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.

False!

While they are highly paid, "the average gross pay for the blue-collar BART union workers who are threatening another shutdown was $76,551 last year."

There are plenty of valid reasons to not like BART union workers, but you just look real dumb when you make stuff up.

Not to mention this is the Bay Area which has a pretty high cost of living to begin with.

Which illustrates why a minimum wage law which is a one size fits all with one set value for all regions like what Obummer is crying for is stupid. It should be tied to the cost of living in the area.


Uh... $16k a year is low for pretty much all areas.
 
2014-05-18 12:20:52 PM  
I don't know alot about trains, but I do know that you stay the hell off tracks for one, and also: was this train completely silent? You'd think one would be able to hear it long before it got there. And what about the line of sight? Did it come blowing through a sharp corner at the last second, or was there easily at least a mile of straight visible track? At even half a visible mile of track, at 60 mph, that gives one 30 full seconds to notice the train and move the fark out of the way. That's more than ample time. So unless this train was some kind of stealth train emerging from a dark tunnel right next to the workers, i can't imagine why they werent able to avoid getting hit.
 
2014-05-18 12:31:29 PM  

Dirty J1: I don't know alot about trains, but I do know that you stay the hell off tracks for one, and also: was this train completely silent? You'd think one would be able to hear it long before it got there. And what about the line of sight? Did it come blowing through a sharp corner at the last second, or was there easily at least a mile of straight visible track? At even half a visible mile of track, at 60 mph, that gives one 30 full seconds to notice the train and move the fark out of the way. That's more than ample time. So unless this train was some kind of stealth train emerging from a dark tunnel right next to the workers, i can't imagine why they werent able to avoid getting hit.


How do you stay off the track while maintaining said track? Moreover, yes the article implied the train was going to fast. Other railroads use strict speed restrictions of 15 mph through work zones. Bart apparently did not. The train was being operated by a trainee while unsupervised. That's also pretty stupid.
 
2014-05-18 03:54:52 PM  
And now Black BART, you get yours!
 
2014-05-18 04:43:31 PM  

fluffy2097: The bay area has this thing called BART, that allows you to live outside the most expensive areas to rent.


Really?  Because BART doesn't go to those areas.  Amtrak goes there, but it's like, a day's ride in either direction.
 
2014-05-18 04:45:12 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Which illustrates why a minimum wage law which is a one size fits all with one set value for all regions like what Obummer is crying for is stupid.


$10.10 really is just scraping by in Tulsa, the most affordable city in the country.  There's no reason anywhere should have a minimum wage lower than that.

/Then this state wonders why you get impoverished people dying of exposure or starvation in their 20s or 30s here when the minimum wage is $2.10/hour...
 
2014-05-18 05:48:27 PM  

Summoner101: Benjimin_Dover: Summoner101: Wake Up Sheeple: Bootysama: Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.

False!

While they are highly paid, "the average gross pay for the blue-collar BART union workers who are threatening another shutdown was $76,551 last year."

There are plenty of valid reasons to not like BART union workers, but you just look real dumb when you make stuff up.

Not to mention this is the Bay Area which has a pretty high cost of living to begin with.

Which illustrates why a minimum wage law which is a one size fits all with one set value for all regions like what Obummer is crying for is stupid. It should be tied to the cost of living in the area.

Uh... $16k a year is low for pretty much all areas.


It's way farther below poverty in NYC than it is in Podunk, Kansas.  Why Democrats think it would be equitable to raise the minimum wage to a level that would be livable in one location but unlivable in another is beyond most thinking people.  If we're going to have a minimum wage that is supposed to allow somebody to earn a living wage, then it needs to be set by region.
 
2014-05-19 12:53:37 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Summoner101: Benjimin_Dover: Summoner101: Wake Up Sheeple: Bootysama: Strikes brought on by a union where the average worker makes $130,000 a year. I'm pretty damned liberal but fark the bart union.

False!

While they are highly paid, "the average gross pay for the blue-collar BART union workers who are threatening another shutdown was $76,551 last year."

There are plenty of valid reasons to not like BART union workers, but you just look real dumb when you make stuff up.

Not to mention this is the Bay Area which has a pretty high cost of living to begin with.

Which illustrates why a minimum wage law which is a one size fits all with one set value for all regions like what Obummer is crying for is stupid. It should be tied to the cost of living in the area.

Uh... $16k a year is low for pretty much all areas.

It's way farther below poverty in NYC than it is in Podunk, Kansas.  Why Democrats think it would be equitable to raise the minimum wage to a level that would be livable in one location but unlivable in another is beyond most thinking people.  If we're going to have a minimum wage that is supposed to allow somebody to earn a living wage, then it needs to be set by region.


That's a nice sentiment and all, but what they're trying to raise it to now ($21k/yr) is barely livable for Podunk, Kansas.  If it'd get more support by tying the minimum wage to the average COL for the area, I'd be fine with that, but the current push for the $10.10/hr is a fair step across the country even if less so for higher COL areas.
 
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