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(NPR)   Why zero-tolerance rules in school are worse than slavery, Jim Crow laws and lynchings   (npr.org ) divider line
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2014-05-17 08:45:18 PM  
the level of polarization going on this country is ridiculous. I think I'll move to Norway.
 
2014-05-17 09:41:44 PM  
Hyperbole is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.  it's even more dangerous than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Noriega, liberals, and Justin Bieber COMBINED.
 
2014-05-17 10:38:56 PM  
Public schools are teaching our children the lowest common denominator.

America will rise or fall on the sucess of our public school systems to teach reality.
 
2014-05-17 10:41:16 PM  

thermo: the level of polarization going on this country is ridiculous. I think I'll move to Norway.


Norway is a really nice place to be for 8 months out of the year, but not in a row.
 
2014-05-17 10:44:24 PM  

thermo: the level of polarization going on this country is ridiculous. I think I'll move to Norway.



But that's even closer to the Pole!
 
2014-05-17 11:48:18 PM  

thermo: the level of polarization going on this country is ridiculous. I think I'll move to Norway.


anywhere but here
 
2014-05-18 12:17:22 AM  
Hyperbole not needed. Zero tolerance rules are indefensible in any system that claims to be for education.
 
2014-05-18 12:26:05 AM  

Nem Wan: Hyperbole not needed. Zero tolerance rules are indefensible in any system that claims to be for education.


Most definitely. Are tests marked zero if there's a single mistake?
 
2014-05-18 12:28:50 AM  
How about addressing whether the problems actually are due to discrimination before you use them as evidence of discrimination??

Strangely enough when you honestly dig into it (something basically unheard of in the field) you find that race is merely a proxy for other factors, usually socioeconomic status.  It's not that we are discriminating against blacks, it's that we are discriminating against the poor.
 
2014-05-18 12:32:05 AM  
Lynchings could be overcome by appealing to people's sense of morals and justice. Not so, with zero tolerance, that allows dullards to pretend they are being fair and following rules like good boys. Why, they only have everyone's best interests at heart.
 
2014-05-18 12:58:03 AM  
Zero tolerance policies are about race.

They're designed to make sure racial bias isn't present. That way a 15yr old non-white student who brings a gun to school gets treated the same as a white one.
 
2014-05-18 01:34:40 AM  
FTA: "...but in many ways systematic racism still exists..."

If anybody knows, it should be Holder, who thinks that hate crime laws apply when it's white-on-black crime, but not when it's black-on-white crime.
 
2014-05-18 01:58:59 AM  

doyner: Hyperbole is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.  it's even more dangerous than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Noriega, liberals, and Justin Bieber COMBINED.


YOU LIE! You was possibly correct up until you included Bieber.
 
2014-05-18 02:05:35 AM  
Clearly it is time to abolish public schools entirely.
 
2014-05-18 02:20:20 AM  

Mrbogey: Zero tolerance policies are about race.

They're designed to make sure racial bias isn't present. That way a 15yr old non-white student who brings a gun to school gets treated the same as a white one.


 nice to think that, but that's not even close to the way they are actually applied. it is a shield for justifying completely uneven extreme, and capricious punishments. it may be totally equal zero tolerance draconian punishment for the kids officially reprimanded for the -same- specific infraction, but in reality, in many places the official reprimands are applied almost exclusively to certain racial and economic groups. its pretty easy to classify something as 'horseplay' for the white jock and 'disruptive behaviour' for the black kid, or 'disagreement' versus 'violence'. the former gets a warning or detention and the latter gets an arrest and a juvenile record/expulsion. its all in the color of who is doing it, and some school districts in the south still resent having to accept kids form the wrong side of the tracks. they have to accept those students, just not keep them, and the 101st Airborne and Brown vs. the Board of Education can't stop them from ridding themselves of unwanted students that way.
 its an extreme example of prosecutorial discretion; for while as you state, the punishment is all the same for the same class of infraction, whose behaviour actually gets categorized into what level of what infraction is entirely discretionary. its there for the appearance of balance when it is actually almost -entirely- capricious.
 
2014-05-18 02:44:13 AM  
Headline is more hyperbolic than the McDonnell Planetarium.


img.groundspeak.com
 
2014-05-18 03:12:40 AM  
That's a trolltastic headline, subby. Seldom does the article not support the header in any way, and you've managed to pull it off brilliantly.

I see that all our former politics tab trolls have been given jobs writing unnecessarily inflammatory headlines. I may stop visiting Fark completely in favor of just digging rusty razor blades into my toes.
 
2014-05-18 03:14:45 AM  
It's true, adults in charge will give the better-off and better-behaved kids a big pass, and zero tolerance to scapegoats. Then you have these socioeconomic factors that come into play. Black kids are more likely to be poor, with all the attendant problems. so if some shyte comes up they are more likely to get hit with zero tolerance crap while a white kid might get a pass.
 
2014-05-18 03:28:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Public schools are teaching our children the lowest common core denominator.

America will rise or fall on the sucess of our public school systems to teach reality.


FTFY.
 
2014-05-18 03:54:56 AM  
Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.
 
2014-05-18 03:56:40 AM  

DemonStrayted: Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.


Nubian was issued by the engine to replace a Nig*a
 
2014-05-18 04:03:11 AM  

DemonStrayted: DemonStrayted: Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.

Nubian was issued by the engine to replace a Nig*a


OK, that sounded terrible... Really all about the degeneration of the black movement that really needed to be, but is being subverted by today's young black youth use of language that their predecessors worked so hard to shatter...
 
2014-05-18 04:16:16 AM  

Loren: It's not that we are discriminating against blacks, it's that we are discriminating against the poor.


What makes you so sure those are independent?
 
2014-05-18 05:06:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: thermo: the level of polarization going on this country is ridiculous. I think I'll move to Norway.

Norway is a really nice place to be for 8 months out of the year, but not in a row.


yeah, well I live in Seattle now, and I have a bunch of relatives there. I can deal with the fjords and Death Metal.
 
2014-05-18 06:01:21 AM  
If you talk about race, you're a racist. If you don't talk about race, you're a racist. Got it, but it only applies if you're white.
 
2014-05-18 06:26:52 AM  
The amusing thing about comparing zero-tolerance to Jim Crow laws is the way that they work in polar opposites.


1. Jim Crow is has an ulterior motive, zero-tolerance is aimed at exactly what it says
2. Jim Crow has exclusions and conditions for convenience of application,  zero-tolerance is stupidly exact
3. Jim Crow is deceitful and unfair,  zero-tolerance is implemented with good intent, however misguided (not just a different way of saying point one)


The law of unintended consequences is a cruel biatch
 
2014-05-18 06:37:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: That's a trolltastic headline, subby. Seldom does the article not support the header in any way, and you've managed to pull it off brilliantly.

I see that all our former politics tab trolls have been given jobs writing unnecessarily inflammatory headlines. I may stop visiting Fark completely in favor of just digging rusty razor blades into my toes.


Lighten up, Francis.
 
2014-05-18 07:08:33 AM  
I must be living in the only corner of the us that is getting more racially integrated. We have high school districts designed to put black kids and white kids in the same classrooms, our historically segregated slums (its really weird) are getting more integrated, the hick ass road I live on now has black AND latino families living on it, and I see young interracial couples regularly. And let me tell ya, THAT did NOT happen in the 80s.

Western maryland is a racially progressive island. Who saw THAT coming?
 
2014-05-18 08:27:48 AM  
I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance.
 
2014-05-18 09:34:10 AM  

Mrbogey: Zero tolerance policies are about race.

They're designed to make sure racial bias isn't present. That way a 15yr old non-white student who brings a gun to school gets treated the same as a white one.


Have you suffered a recent head injury?
 
2014-05-18 09:48:38 AM  
I imagine that one of the primary goals of zero-tolerance policies was not in fact double-secret racism, but an attempt to absolve school administrators from responsibility for making any kind of tough decisions.
 
2014-05-18 09:59:08 AM  

Claude the Dog: I imagine that one of the primary goals of zero-tolerance policies was not in fact double-secret racism, but an attempt to absolve school administrators from responsibility for making any kind of tough decisions.


winner


it came to that point when prejudice couldn't be distinguished from applying an informed choice
 
2014-05-18 10:31:17 AM  

Gyrfalcon: That's a trolltastic headline, subby. Seldom does the article not support the header in any way, and you've managed to pull it off brilliantly.


Misleading headlines seem to be more and more the norm here on Fark of late.
 
2014-05-18 11:06:51 AM  

profplump: Loren: It's not that we are discriminating against blacks, it's that we are discriminating against the poor.

What makes you so sure those are independent?


We discriminate against poor whites just as much as we discriminate against poor blacks.  It's just that there is a higher percentage of poor blacks.

Claude the Dog: I imagine that one of the primary goals of zero-tolerance policies was not in fact double-secret racism, but an attempt to absolve school administrators from responsibility for making any kind of tough decisions.


No, it's to avoid lawsuits over those tough decisions.
 
2014-05-18 11:24:09 AM  
Those are the same kids that are going to enforce 'zero tolerance' policies in nursing homes 30 years from now.
 
2014-05-18 01:34:16 PM  
I think Lee

Loren: profplump: Loren: It's not that we are discriminating against blacks, it's that we are discriminating against the poor.

What makes you so sure those are independent?

We discriminate against poor whites just as much as we discriminate against poor blacks.  It's just that there is a higher percentage of poor blacks.


Lee Atwater I think captured it very well in this direct quote:

    Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

    Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N----r, n----r, n----r." By 1968 you can't say "n----r" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N----r, n----r."
 
2014-05-18 03:27:02 PM  
I once taught a Special Ed self-contained class of 8 middle-school boys. Six were African-American; two were white.

Because of over-the-top behavior (spitting on others, jumping on desks, leaving the classroom without permission) four of the African-American students were referred to the disciplinary principal over the course of a few weeks.

He told me I could no longer refer ANY African-American students for discipline no matter what the reason since I was not referring any white students. I explained that the two white students presented no behavior problems and so it was impossible to refer them to him. He said that I was disproportionately targeting African-American students and would be reprimanded if I referred any more. Ever.

When I asked him how I should handle student behavior that was so over the top and threatened their own safety, he replied "You're the damn teacher. Figure it out." (BTW, my requests for parent conferences were ignored except for one mom who said "He's your damn problem during the day.)

Solution: I no longer teach and am happily self-employed.
 
2014-05-18 03:44:56 PM  

DemonStrayted: Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.


What's a nubian?
 
2014-05-18 04:02:49 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: What's a nubian?


about $2.50, same as in town
 
2014-05-18 04:18:05 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: DemonStrayted: Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.

What's a nubian?


While yes, it is a genuine term for the Black persuasion, but generally only used in the feminine (Nubian Goddess - cuz Jungle Fever happens...) But it got Fark scripted from N*gga.

/Makes me sound old.
//I'm Old
 
2014-05-18 04:22:15 PM  

letrole: insertsnarkyusername: What's a nubian?

about $2.50, same as in town


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-18 04:27:30 PM  

Mrbogey: Zero tolerance policies are about race.

They're designed to make sure racial bias isn't present. That way a 15yr old non-white student who brings a gun to school gets treated the same as a white one.


Yes but its become treating a 15 year old non-white student who makes a gun shape out of their poptarts the same as a white person doing it.
 
2014-05-18 04:36:32 PM  

DemonStrayted: insertsnarkyusername: DemonStrayted: Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.

What's a nubian?

While yes, it is a genuine term for the Black persuasion, but generally only used in the feminine (Nubian Goddess - cuz Jungle Fever happens...) But it got Fark scripted from N*gga.

/Makes me sound old.
//I'm Old


I can't believe nobody got it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHLJfxfXHBg
 
2014-05-18 04:37:57 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: DemonStrayted: insertsnarkyusername: DemonStrayted: Unfortunately a First world problem as race is generally an American thing these days. No it isn't abolished elsewhere, but we seem to take it too far for our own good;  We went from white supremacy in slavery days, to tolerance, to acceptance and equality, then now to reverse bigotry. Hearing some of these 'Utes' bandying about the N word like it is something their fathers and grandfathers wouldn't cuff them upside the head for even uttering it, makes me sick that they don't get it.

Well, My nubian (Eww), fark you and every thing you think, cause you missed what your forefathers bled for you sorry bastard.

What's a nubian?

While yes, it is a genuine term for the Black persuasion, but generally only used in the feminine (Nubian Goddess - cuz Jungle Fever happens...) But it got Fark scripted from N*gga.

/Makes me sound old.
//I'm Old

I can't believe nobody got it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHLJfxfXHBg


Forgot to say that the link includes NSFW language.
 
2014-05-18 06:29:14 PM  

pete1729: Those are the same kids that are going to enforce 'zero tolerance' policies in nursing homes 30 years from now.


Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

"You there! ZERO TOLERANCE for nappy wetting, granny! No bingo for you for a WEEK!"

/I really, really hope my ex-vice principle gets shoved into one of those
//Fark you, zero tolerance
 
2014-05-18 06:48:45 PM  
Obama's administration for both terms has pretty much been a wash.  The only thing he has left to vault himself is race which has caused this country to become more polarized.
 
2014-05-18 10:01:52 PM  
Pretty interesting here...my school district has a zero-tolerance policy for bringing weapons onto a school campus, but I have had two different Latina students busted for knife possession this year alone, and they're both still in school.

/I have no farking problem with ZT policies when it comes to weapons...don't give a shiat who brings one, they should be farking GONE.
 
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