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(Chicago Trib)   Alright, we're breaking up. You can have the furniture. I want the car and the embryos   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 83
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2014-05-17 03:07:13 PM  
welcome to 20+ years of child support
 
2014-05-17 04:12:34 PM  
She testified that she longed to have a biological child and asked Szafranski to provide his sperm so embryos could be frozen prior to her treatment, and he did so, despite neither of them thinking the relationship had long-term prospects.

What a stupid, stupid man.
 
2014-05-17 04:18:48 PM  
<i>Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.</i>
Uh huh. I'll bet someone a month's TF sub that the moment she pops out a kid from one of those embyrios, she sues him for child support.
 
2014-05-17 04:21:05 PM  
Frozen Embryos


One... Two...

We do not have fingers and/or toes
We're just a couple of frozen embryos
We're kind of short on eyes, ears, lips and nose
We're just a couple of frozen embryos

One day we'll be millionaires, even maybe more
You just have to take us out and watch that baby thaw

We don't spend too much on fancy clothes
We're just a couple of frozen embryos

Take it away:
Wah wah wah... wah, wah wah, wah wah wah, wah
waaah, wah wah wah wah, wah waaah wah

One day me might grow up to be President
All we're lookin' for is just a womb to rent

If we play ball we might be semi-pros
But we're just a couple of frozen embryos
We don't go to movies, plays or shows
We're just a couple of frozen embryos
We're just a couple of frozen embryos
We're just a couple of frozen... embryos
 
2014-05-17 04:22:11 PM  

LincolnLogolas: <i>Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.</i>
Uh huh. I'll bet someone a month's TF sub that the moment she pops out a kid from one of those embyrios, she sues him for child support.


I think anyone who takes that bet is almost as foolish as Szafranski.
 
2014-05-17 04:24:45 PM  
I can beat that.  She wanted the Saab and "stuck" me with the Honda.  I like the Saab quirkiness, but not the Saab maintenance.
 
2014-05-17 04:28:30 PM  

namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support


But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?
 
GBB
2014-05-17 04:29:50 PM  

Relatively Obscure: She testified that she longed to have a biological child and asked Szafranski to provide his sperm so embryos could be frozen prior to her treatment, and he did so, despite neither of them thinking the relationship had long-term prospects.

What a stupid, stupid man.


How many loans did he co-sign for her?
 
2014-05-17 04:31:06 PM  
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2014-05-17 04:31:24 PM  
Judge Sophia H. Hall said this morning in a written ruling that oral agreements between Szafranski and Dunston concerning use of the embryos stand and added that Dunston's desire to have a child outweighs Szafranski's desire to not procreate.

It's all becoming clear to me.
 
2014-05-17 04:34:11 PM  
I've picked out something for her baby shower:

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2014-05-17 04:36:36 PM  

LincolnLogolas: <i>Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.</i>
Uh huh. I'll bet someone a month's TF sub that the moment she pops out a kid from one of those embyrios, she sues him for child support.


She probably doesn't have to. In many states if Dunston is on any form of welfare, the state will go after him for her to reclaim their payments to her, regardless of her claims.
 
2014-05-17 04:40:13 PM  

Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?


Not that it necessarily means anything, but... She's a doctor, and he's a firefighter. Something tells me that the income discrepancy is enough that any amount of support she would get out of him would not significantly affect her/ her child's quality of life.

Assuming everything happened the way the article says it did, this guy did this to himself. He knew the relationship likely didn't have long- term prospects, but went ahead with the embryo creation and freezing. It also seems that his reasoning for changing his mind is that his buddies said that was a bad idea, and that he's now afraid he won't find a girlfriend. Dude- look for less shallow women.
 
2014-05-17 04:41:05 PM  

Snarfangel: Judge Sophia H. Hall said this morning in a written ruling that oral agreements between Szafranski and Dunston concerning use of the embryos stand and added that Dunston's desire to have a child outweighs Szafranski's desire to not procreate.

It's all becoming clear to me.


Even worse, every time he tried to object the judge cut him off and said, "Now doncha gimme no sassafras!"
 
2014-05-17 04:46:30 PM  

Greek: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Not that it necessarily means anything, but... She's a doctor, and he's a firefighter. Something tells me that the income discrepancy is enough that any amount of support she would get out of him would not significantly affect her/ her child's quality of life.

Assuming everything happened the way the article says it did, this guy did this to himself. He knew the relationship likely didn't have long- term prospects, but went ahead with the embryo creation and freezing. It also seems that his reasoning for changing his mind is that his buddies said that was a bad idea, and that he's now afraid he won't find a girlfriend. Dude- look for less shallow women.


MORE importantly, she couldnt get donor sperm from somewhere else?
please
 
2014-05-17 04:50:18 PM  

GBB: Relatively Obscure: She testified that she longed to have a biological child and asked Szafranski to provide his sperm so embryos could be frozen prior to her treatment, and he did so, despite neither of them thinking the relationship had long-term prospects.

What a stupid, stupid man.

How many loans did he co-sign for her?


Considering that she's a doctor it's probably the other way around
 
2014-05-17 04:51:38 PM  

Greek: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Not that it necessarily means anything, but... She's a doctor, and he's a firefighter. Something tells me that the income discrepancy is enough that any amount of support she would get out of him would not significantly affect her/ her child's quality of life.

Assuming everything happened the way the article says it did, this guy did this to himself. He knew the relationship likely didn't have long- term prospects, but went ahead with the embryo creation and freezing. It also seems that his reasoning for changing his mind is that his buddies said that was a bad idea, and that he's now afraid he won't find a girlfriend. Dude- look for less shallow women.


Oop, I thought he was the doctor. Obviously yes he was a moron. I knew a woman who wanted a baby and I made a joke like "well can I just help make the baby?" and she said "actually I would go for that, you seem healthy and attractive with good genes--I'll even sign a contract absolving you of any parental responsibility." Yeah right I'm not that dumb.
 
2014-05-17 04:51:51 PM  

namatad: Greek: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Not that it necessarily means anything, but... She's a doctor, and he's a firefighter. Something tells me that the income discrepancy is enough that any amount of support she would get out of him would not significantly affect her/ her child's quality of life.

Assuming everything happened the way the article says it did, this guy did this to himself. He knew the relationship likely didn't have long- term prospects, but went ahead with the embryo creation and freezing. It also seems that his reasoning for changing his mind is that his buddies said that was a bad idea, and that he's now afraid he won't find a girlfriend. Dude- look for less shallow women.

MORE importantly, she couldnt get donor sperm from somewhere else?
please


Maybe she could have, but he agreed to it. Now all she has are the embryos. No more eggs
 
2014-05-17 04:56:33 PM  
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2014-05-17 05:00:41 PM  

RoyBatty: LincolnLogolas: <i>Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.</i>
Uh huh. I'll bet someone a month's TF sub that the moment she pops out a kid from one of those embyrios, she sues him for child support.

She probably doesn't have to. In many states if Dunston is on any form of welfare, the state will go after him for her to reclaim their payments to her, regardless of her claims.


Anything negative that comes to him out of this he did to himself.
 
2014-05-17 05:00:46 PM  

namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support


If she tries to pull that he should file for joint custody.
 
2014-05-17 05:03:38 PM  
I think I've seen this episode of Law & Order...
 
2014-05-17 05:06:44 PM  
Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.

I bet she changes her mind sometime.
 
2014-05-17 05:06:49 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

If she tries to pull that he should file for joint custody.


screw joint custody, full custody
he wont get it, but he could certainly push her over the edge


anuran: Maybe she could have, but he agreed to it. Now all she has are the embryos. No more eggs


agreed
he was a complete moron for agreeing and is paying the price now ... like always
dont stick your dick or sperm in crazy
sigh

/stupid things we do
 
2014-05-17 05:12:58 PM  

oryx: Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.

I bet she changes her mind sometime.


Yeah. Six times before breakfast.
 
2014-05-17 05:13:22 PM  
So apparently the guy says that using the embryos would "violate his right not to procreate." What alternative universe is he living in? Once a guy deposits his sperm either in a woman or a petri dish, his "right not to procreate" is effectively gone. It's not even like she poked a hole in the condom, he deliberately gave sperm for the purpose of creating embryos, and presumably he was cognizant of the fact that if embryos are transferred to a uterus, at least a few of them will eventually emerge as babies. Zero sympathy for this dumbass.
 
2014-05-17 05:15:33 PM  
Relevant.

Same judge?
 
2014-05-17 05:16:32 PM  

namatad: DrewCurtisJr: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

If she tries to pull that he should file for joint custody.

screw joint custody, full custody
he wont get it, but he could certainly push her over the edge


anuran: Maybe she could have, but he agreed to it. Now all she has are the embryos. No more eggs

agreed
he was a complete moron for agreeing and is paying the price now ... like always
dont stick your dick or sperm in crazy
sigh

/stupid things we do


Indeed.

Sometimes you've got to do stupid things to get da booty. I, personally, haven't ever done anything quite as stupid as allowing some chick to fertilize her eggs for later use, however.

/ Although, I did date a German chick for a while. It was fun till she got super clingy and started trying to monitor all of my communications. That was when the real fun began.
 
2014-05-17 05:16:48 PM  
The first I heard of a case like this I was a kid. It was a couple getting divorced and they were fighting over the custody of the embryos it got real nasty. I still remember the lesbian couple in college that lived next door to me and they wanted me or my roomate to help them have a kid. I passed on that, they were cute though.
 
2014-05-17 05:17:10 PM  

RenownedCurator: So apparently the guy says that using the embryos would "violate his right not to procreate." What alternative universe is he living in? Once a guy deposits his sperm either in a woman or a petri dish, his "right not to procreate" is effectively gone. It's not even like she poked a hole in the condom, he deliberately gave sperm for the purpose of creating embryos, and presumably he was cognizant of the fact that if embryos are transferred to a uterus, at least a few of them will eventually emerge as babies. Zero sympathy for this dumbass.


THIS
dumbass wanted to stay with her during cancer treatments?
felt sorry and gave sperm?
knowing that things were over?
and that he is probably gay?
(well that one was from the photo)
 
2014-05-17 05:19:16 PM  
The court will certainly grant her the frozen embryos, and demand half his paycheck to support them moms shoe shopping habit.  If she's smart she'll get a restraining order so he can't legally show up in court against her.    Men truly are the Jews in Obama's feminazi Amerika.
 
2014-05-17 05:19:53 PM  

Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?


Hopefully he got that in writing.
 
2014-05-17 05:21:43 PM  

Snarfangel: It's all becoming clear to me.


Yeah, the guy farked himself over by saying he doesn't want to procreate when he as already procreated.
 
2014-05-17 05:22:35 PM  

Ambivalence: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Hopefully he got that in writing.


That doesn't make a difference.
 
2014-05-17 05:23:31 PM  

Ambivalence: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Hopefully he got that in writing.


Do you think that matters? It isn't what the parents want, it is what is in the best interest of the child. Support payments belong to the child, so the custodial parent can't decline support. Also if she ever goes on any type of public assistance he will be billed.
 
2014-05-17 05:26:26 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: oryx: Through an attorney, Dunston has previously said she was not seeking any support, financial or otherwise, from Szafranski.

I bet she changes her mind sometime.

Yeah. Six times before breakfast.


That is why I've never done the whole sell the sperm thing. I've seen too many stories where the implantee tracks down the donator and sues for child support.

Plus, what happens if one of your test tube kids shows up at your house when your 65; with 5 kids in tow? Can you say awkward thanksgiving?

/ Also, you'd have to word your will carefully. Even then; I guarantee that somebody is getting sued.

// regular families have that kind of trouble all of the time; now add in some skeezy half siblings and watch the fireworks.
 
2014-05-17 05:34:32 PM  

Ambivalence: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Hopefully he got that in writing.


In writing? Even if he got it notorized 73 times, got it passed into law by a unanimous congress and signed by the president and Flying Spaghetti Monster came down from the heavens to witness its signing; he'd probably still be on the hook when she changes her mind.
 
2014-05-17 05:47:03 PM  
Wow, what a farked up case. I sympathize with both sides.
 
2014-05-17 05:48:10 PM  
This guy is not very good at protecting his right to not procreate.
 
2014-05-17 05:48:25 PM  

ongbok: Ambivalence: Fafai: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

But she said she's not going to seek any child support. Surely she wouldn't go back on her word?

Hopefully he got that in writing.

Do you think that matters? It isn't what the parents want, it is what is in the best interest of the child. Support payments belong to the child, so the custodial parent can't decline support. Also if she ever goes on any type of public assistance he will be billed.


This.
 
2014-05-17 05:53:01 PM  

namatad: DrewCurtisJr: namatad: welcome to 20+ years of child support

If she tries to pull that he should file for joint custody.

screw joint custody, full custody
he wont get it, but he could certainly push her over the edge


anuran: Maybe she could have, but he agreed to it. Now all she has are the embryos. No more eggs

agreed
he was a complete moron for agreeing and is paying the price now ... like always
dont stick your dick or sperm in crazy
sigh

/stupid things we do


What the fark is "crazy" here? She wanted kids but wouldn't be able to have them after chemo/surgery/radiation. She made a consensual agreement with a man to set aside embryos for when she could. He agreed. He tried to back out. She still wants to have children and goes to court to make him honor his word. She even decides not to pursue him for the child support he would be liable for.

It sounds like she was up front, rational and thought ahead. He decided afterwards that his "right" to run away from responsibility trumped her right to ever have children.

Put on your fedora. Polish your "game". Go back to A Voice for Man-Children.
 
2014-05-17 05:54:40 PM  

No Such Agency: The court will certainly grant her the frozen embryos, and demand half his paycheck to support them moms shoe shopping habit.  If she's smart she'll get a restraining order so he can't legally show up in court against her.    Men truly are the Jews in Obama's feminazi Amerika.


1/10. Your trolling is too obvious
 
2014-05-17 06:02:54 PM  
anuran:
 She even decides not to pursue him for the child support he would be liable for.

He decided afterwards that his "right" to run away from responsibility trumped her right to ever have children.


What responsibility is he running away from? Or are you right there with everyone else in saying this lady, despite her claim, is going to want his support? Please pick one or the other of the above quoted sentiments. You can't have both.

I'm also going to suggest you put that second use of "right" in quotations as well. Since when is having biological children an inherent right? It's a privilege of the able-bodied.
 
2014-05-17 06:15:38 PM  

anuran: GBB: Relatively Obscure: She testified that she longed to have a biological child and asked Szafranski to provide his sperm so embryos could be frozen prior to her treatment, and he did so, despite neither of them thinking the relationship had long-term prospects.

What a stupid, stupid man.

How many loans did he co-sign for her?

Considering that she's a doctor it's probably the other way around


I've got two friends who used to be married. The husband put his wife through college, who then got a fairly high-paying job. She decided to start messing around, got caught, and he divorced her, so she sued him for alimony payments despite the fact that she was now making more than him. Also, he got laid off, and she STILL demanded the damn payments.

It's not about the money, it's about causing pain and anguish. Trust me, she'll be suing him for child support the moment she pops a kid out.
 
2014-05-17 06:24:34 PM  
For all of you pointing out how stupid this man was to provide sperm without being absolutely certain that he wanted to be a father, I agree. But why are so many of you determined to bring forth a child with stupid genes?

Fate has give us a second chance to improve the overall intelligence of the human race. Why squander such an opportunity?
 
2014-05-17 06:25:48 PM  

LincolnLogolas: Trust me, she'll be suing him for child support the moment she pops a kid out.


Yep. That he tried to stop her from exercising her "right" to have children will only make her hit back harder. It won't matter that she won her lawsuit and got her way, that's not enough. He tried to oppose her. shiat is personal now. I'll bet at least once, when she's struggling in the thick of all the difficulty of being a new mother, she'll find a way to convince herself that this kid is all his fault.

If it were in any way provable, I'd seriously bet good money "that bastard did this to me" will at some point cross her mind when the going gets tough. And that's when she'll want her child support.
 
2014-05-17 06:26:42 PM  

anuran: No Such Agency: The court will certainly grant her the frozen embryos, and demand half his paycheck to support them moms shoe shopping habit.  If she's smart she'll get a restraining order so he can't legally show up in court against her.    Men truly are the Jews in Obama's feminazi Amerika.

1/10. Your trolling is too obvious


I'm pregnant would be more appropriate to the thread.
 
2014-05-17 06:31:02 PM  

Snarfangel: For all of you pointing out how stupid this man was to provide sperm without being absolutely certain that he wanted to be a father, I agree. But why are so many of you determined to bring forth a child with stupid genes?

Fate has give us a second chance to improve the overall intelligence of the human race. Why squander such an opportunity?


Because we are not the ones who willingly gave our sperm to this woman for the purpose of her using it to have children. He was.
 
2014-05-17 06:40:42 PM  
Well it does make sense in a twisted sort of way.  He can not procreate with any woman in the world.  But she only can procreate with embryos that have been fertilized with his sperm.

Hell, I can not procreate with billions of women RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT.  As you read this, I'm not procreating with Charlize Theron and Jennifer Lawrence- at the same time.  The sheer number of beautiful and famous women I have the opportunity to not procreate with far exceeds the single, solitary male moron that the cancer survivor can procreate with.

Fair being fair, she ought to have those eggs.  It's billions to one.  BILLIONS.

/heading off to my bunk to go not procreate with Charlize and Jennifer.  If that hot number from the accounting department wants to not join in, she can not procreate with the three of us as well
 
2014-05-17 06:41:24 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Snarfangel: For all of you pointing out how stupid this man was to provide sperm without being absolutely certain that he wanted to be a father, I agree. But why are so many of you determined to bring forth a child with stupid genes?

Fate has give us a second chance to improve the overall intelligence of the human race. Why squander such an opportunity?

Because we are not the ones who willingly gave our sperm to this woman for the purpose of her using it to have children. He was.


Yep. The guy was a farking moron just like the guy who tried to help a lesbian couple conceive and ended up on the hook for that (fat lot of good the signed contract did there). I hope stories like this keep making the news as educational opportunities to men everywhere. Never help a woman make a baby. Never donate to a sperm bank. The only time a man should engage in activities that could possibly result in babies is if he wants to raise a child with the woman in question. That's it. Other than that, your help will not be appreciated. It will, in fact, be punished.
 
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