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(CBS News)   WH Official: VA official Robert Petzel was forced to fall on his sword   (cbsnews.com ) divider line
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2014-05-17 01:47:56 PM  
I bet Roberts. Pretzel salty tears are bitter.
 
2014-05-17 02:00:35 PM  
So?
 
2014-05-17 02:11:54 PM  
This story is making me thirsty.
 
2014-05-17 02:17:18 PM  
Pretzel should have been fired years ago after choking Bush.

/Or was it having Bush choke on him?
//I say no more.
 
2014-05-17 02:22:41 PM  
It's more of a firing, so that's a plus.

However this is meaningless if the VA system isn't fixed.

They need to give veterans Medicare as a base, nearly all hospitals and providers are fully equipped to take it.

Next you give veterans an add on program that's for the benefits that veterans receive that aren't covered by Medicare. This would be just how there is Medicare Part B done, except it's free and covers the extra benefits

The bonus to this is that hospitals and doctors already handle Medicare add on programs.

I've heard many veterans prefer the VA hospitals, so they can choose where to go.

The majority of the administrative work is shifted to Medicare, which works well as it is. Now the only administrative work is to verify the add on program and benefits.
 
2014-05-17 02:23:40 PM  
I also read that as Pretzel.  Oh, the headlines that could have been.

Also, I want a pretzel now.  With spicy mustard.
 
2014-05-17 02:28:55 PM  
He was going to retire in six months anyway.

Why don't they do something to help the veterans instead.
 
2014-05-17 02:30:13 PM  
img.thesun.co.uk

Happy trails, Firtzl
 
2014-05-17 02:35:29 PM  
He was fired, right? So he can get unemployment?
 
2014-05-17 02:40:17 PM  
So, how many Benghazi's is this?

And good on General Shinseki for not taking any shiat over this from the GOP. One suspects he's been tired of their crap for most of the last decade.
 
2014-05-17 02:41:42 PM  

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R.I.P. Pretzel

 
2014-05-17 02:50:00 PM  
Still less twisted than the paperwork.
 
2014-05-17 02:52:44 PM  
i.imgur.com

This is a good death.
 
2014-05-17 02:56:05 PM  
The guy was retiring in September anyway.  it's like when an umpire goes over to the dugout and ejects tomorrow's starting pitcher.
 
2014-05-17 03:03:01 PM  
Good, now we can start untwisting the half-baked VA system in this country.
 
2014-05-17 03:10:15 PM  
Can this really be a scandal considering how long it's been going on? It's like suddenly calling the Vietnam War a scandal
 
2014-05-17 03:18:17 PM  

BalugaJoe: Why don't they do something to help the veterans instead.


That would require action by congress. You know, convincing the (R)s to restore some of the VA funding they've insisted on cutting of the years.
 
2014-05-17 03:20:17 PM  
More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.
 
2014-05-17 03:21:23 PM  

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.


So, what did they lie about?
 
2014-05-17 03:28:15 PM  

GWSuperfan: BalugaJoe: Why don't they do something to help the veterans instead.

That would require action by congress. You know, convincing the (R)s to restore some of the VA funding they've insisted on cutting of the years.


Are you suggesting that insisting on trying to impose sanctions on Iran by amending the VA funding bill might not have been in the veterans best interest???
 
2014-05-17 03:29:46 PM  

Summoner101: Can this really be a scandal considering how long it's been going on? It's like suddenly calling the Vietnam War a scandal


Keeping two sets of books is DEFINITELY a scandal. A couple of guys ending up dead as a result makes it even more so.
 
2014-05-17 03:35:05 PM  
It doesn't seem like effectively forcing him out is necessarily a useful step to take.  Instead of leaving a system that's just systemically messed up, he's now leaving it both systemically messed up and in disarray from an unexpected change in leadership.
 
2014-05-17 03:35:40 PM  

MFAWG: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.

So, what did they lie about?


You mean this time, or the entire list?
 
2014-05-17 03:38:34 PM  

Emposter: MFAWG: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.

So, what did they lie about?

You mean this time, or the entire list?


No, this time. Honestly. Was somebody on the White House staff in charge of the Phoenix hospital? That seems unlikely.
 
2014-05-17 03:38:41 PM  
and yet the falsehoods that led us to war in Iraq are not a scandal.
 
2014-05-17 03:41:09 PM  
Garrett pressed McDonough as to the circumstances behind Petzel's resignation asking if it was because President Obama's unhappy.

Child-like writing detected.
 
2014-05-17 03:42:53 PM  

MFAWG: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.

So, what did they lie about?


Well, for starters, they've repeatedly denied that Obama owns a time machine, which he has used to place an iceberg in the path of the Titanic, save Hitler's life, and become his own father, among other things.
 
2014-05-17 03:43:25 PM  
Clearly this has something to do with Benghazi!
 
2014-05-17 03:54:03 PM  
whomever thought (and those that implemented it) that giving incentive bonuses to hospital heads was a good idea should be fired. and their pay clawed back.

how about you tell the hospital heads if their numbers go up they can (maybe) keep their jobs. but there is going to be strict monitoring and whistle blowers will get the bonus checks.
 
2014-05-17 03:54:20 PM  
They made a guy retire a month early. Now THAT'S accountability!
 
2014-05-17 03:54:43 PM  

MFAWG: Emposter: MFAWG: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.

So, what did they lie about?

You mean this time, or the entire list?

No, this time. Honestly. Was somebody on the White House staff in charge of the Phoenix hospital? That seems unlikely.


Not much in this article, at least not now.  Most of it's just "I'm mad" and "we promise things will change."  Hard to say that's a lie until some point in the future, though I doubt highly anything much will actually change.  6 months from now we might have a PheonixVAgate, like Bridgegate, where leaked emails prove the WH or VA knew about the secret lists long before they admitted it.  Or not.  The future is crazy like that.

I will say, I have my doubts as to whether this is an actual forced retirement.  There's fairly standard language for that kind of thing.  "The President asked for his resignation"...like that.

"There is no question that this is a termination of his job there before he was planning to go." WTF is that?  Were they deliberately TRYING to make it sound weasel wordish?   It sounds to me more like Petzel just voluntarily resigned earlier than planned because of the scandal, but still voluntarily, then the WH tried to claim it to make it look like they were doing something.

I mean, think about it.  There is very little the WH can actually do in the short-term about this situation, and frankly not much they can do in the long term without Congress.  On of ht efew things they CAN do that will sooth the public is fire a scapegoat, and the damn scapegoat had the insolence to quit before they had a chance.  How dare he!  If it were my WH, I'd try and claim it was a firing too.
 
2014-05-17 04:04:07 PM  
He should have resigned in disgust over the patchwork way the VA is being run. Half of VA hospitals are the best of the best, bar none. The other half are cesspools that make the one in "Cuckoo's Nest" look like resort spas. And the trend is to evening things out so they're all equally bad. There is no reason veterans should have to come home to this crap, or rely upon it in their declining years like our parents.

The VA is a national disgrace.
 
2014-05-17 04:12:54 PM  
Hmmm....

How about we not have so many farking wars that necessitate a massive and faulty VA system?

Ya like that one, warmongers?
 
2014-05-17 04:55:07 PM  
90% of resignations you hear about on the news are terminations.
 
2014-05-17 05:00:00 PM  

moothemagiccow: 90% of resignations you hear about on the news are terminations.


I read that in the voice of Ahnold.
 
2014-05-17 05:12:32 PM  

Emposter: moothemagiccow: 90% of resignations you hear about on the news are terminations.

I read that in the voice of Ahnold.


"F*CK YOU ASS-WHOLE"
 
2014-05-17 05:52:03 PM  

MFAWG: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: More BS from the WH admin's. Same as it ever was. Lying cocksuckers.

So, what did they lie about?


BENGHAZI!!!!

/gotta stay focused
 
2014-05-17 06:38:48 PM  
We support the troop. ==== we support weapon systems & contractors.
 
2014-05-17 07:55:12 PM  
Did he remember to yell "axios"?
 
2014-05-17 08:44:00 PM  
www.setterstix.com
 
2014-05-17 10:15:07 PM  
Wait. Fark acknowledging the VA scandal? There must be a mistake. As far as fark is concerned, this does not exist.
 
2014-05-17 10:33:59 PM  
Im sure he will get rehired by the state department.
 
2014-05-17 10:54:46 PM  

SlothB77: Wait. Fark acknowledging the VA scandal? There must be a mistake. As far as fark is concerned, this does not exist.


Obama scandals have 7 stages, like grief:
1. Ignore it
2. Deny it
3. Promise to "get to the bottom of it" and "hold those responsible accountable"
4. Accuse the GOP/Koch brothers of doing worse
5. Call the attention paid to it the product of racism
6. Say it's old news and its time to move on
7. [Fark only]: Call it a "scandal" and ask if it's Benghazi yet

We're in the transition between stages 2 and 3.
 
2014-05-17 10:56:26 PM  
How's that government run health care working out for our vets?
 
2014-05-17 10:58:45 PM  

jjorsett: SlothB77: Wait. Fark acknowledging the VA scandal? There must be a mistake. As far as fark is concerned, this does not exist.

Obama scandals have 7 stages, like grief:
1. Ignore it
2. Deny it
3. Promise to "get to the bottom of it" and "hold those responsible accountable"
4. Accuse the GOP/Koch brothers of doing worse
5. Call the attention paid to it the product of racism
6. Say it's old news and its time to move on
7. [Fark only]: Call it a "scandal" and ask if it's Benghazi yet

We're in the transition between stages 2 and 3.


Fark was at stage 1 for a long long time.
 
2014-05-17 11:11:14 PM  

jjorsett: SlothB77: Wait. Fark acknowledging the VA scandal? There must be a mistake. As far as fark is concerned, this does not exist.

Obama scandals have 7 stages, like grief:
1. Ignore it
2. Deny it
3. Promise to "get to the bottom of it" and "hold those responsible accountable"
4. Accuse the GOP/Koch brothers of doing worse
5. Call the attention paid to it the product of racism
6. Say it's old news and its time to move on
7. [Fark only]: Call it a "scandal" and ask if it's Benghazi yet

We're in the transition between stages 2 and 3.


You forgot

0. If the accusations are only valid in a parallel universe, skip steps 1 through 7.
 
2014-05-17 11:12:46 PM  
when a fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal
 
2014-05-17 11:38:35 PM  
And they wasted all that effort with a retirement party, naming a successor, etc, only to fire him.  I guess that looks better than dead veterans waiting for care.

/If you like how the government runs the VA, you're gonna Obamacare.  The VA doctors actually cared whether vets got top care and still failed because bureaucrats.  No one cares about you when you aren't footing the bill..
 
2014-05-18 12:13:25 AM  
 
2014-05-18 01:09:45 AM  

fusillade762: SlothB77: How's that government run health care working out for our vets?

Generally quite well.

"Patients routinely rank the veterans system above the alternatives", according to the American Customer Satisfaction Index. In 2008, the VHA got a satisfaction rating of 85 for inpatient treatment, compared with 77 for private hospitals. In the same report VHA outpatient care scored 3 points higher than for private hospitals.


The very next paragraph states that was comparing Medicare vs the VA, Medicare underpays for services (which is why many doctors won't take Medicare patients, that alone is going to cut down the scores) thus the quality is not going to be as satisfactory because doctors might not go the full stretch due to out of pocket costs. Now lets compare a private insurance system that also runs its own hospitals, say Kaiser vs the VA. That would be an apples to apples comparison and not apples to oranges. I have no doubt that those numbers would be reversed. Don't like that comparison? How about people who go to state university operated hospitals instead seeing as they are government run to an extent?

Cherry picking Medicare over the VA to make comparisons means that the VA is pretty much always going to come out on top, not because the VA is better but because Medicare is worse.
 
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