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2014-05-17 08:13:41 AM
O
 
2014-05-17 08:17:40 AM
Y
 
2014-05-17 08:37:25 AM
B, S
 
2014-05-17 08:49:18 AM
 
2014-05-17 09:02:01 AM

Mike_LowELL: O


You can't just start with a vowel! You gotta guess a consonant first!

/duh
 
2014-05-17 09:10:42 AM
Despite the article's header image there is nothing in the text indicating it was a game of hangman.  Given the reaction it's reasonable to assume it was a drawing selecting an actual person, or even the student himself, and should have been considered a threat.

People blamed the schools after Columbine and other school shootings for missing the warning signs that could have led to the incidents being stopped before they started.  This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?
 
2014-05-17 09:14:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?


From TFA:

"...despite telling the school they were not allowed to interview his son without a parent present, a school psychologist and police interviewed the boy."

Sounds like it's more about the school breaking the law themselves.
 
2014-05-17 09:22:52 AM
I would like to buy a vowel
 
2014-05-17 09:28:31 AM
I bid 420, Bob
 
2014-05-17 09:29:43 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Given the reaction it's reasonable to assume it was a drawing selecting an actual person, or even the student himself, and should have been considered a threat.


i1123.photobucket.com

 
2014-05-17 09:35:16 AM

Man On A Mission: TuteTibiImperes: This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?

From TFA:

"...despite telling the school they were not allowed to interview his son without a parent present, a school psychologist and police interviewed the boy."

Sounds like it's more about the school breaking the law themselves.


That point is something I don't have the knowledge to address. Perhaps one of the Fark Lawyers can weigh in.

I know that minors are afforded certain extra rights when it comes to being questioned, but just because dad said no doesn't mean that they legally weren't still in the right.
 
2014-05-17 09:35:59 AM
ETAOIN SHRDLU. Remember it. You'll never lose at Hangman. Which apparently you're never allowed to play anymore in school lest someone dime you out to the cops because they panicked for some completely incomprehensible reason.
 
2014-05-17 10:11:36 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ETAOIN SHRDLU. Remember it. You'll never lose at Hangman. Which apparently you're never allowed to play anymore in school lest someone dime you out to the cops because they panicked for some completely incomprehensible reason.


Etaoin Shrdlu is also the spokesperson for the Islamic terrorists in Nigeria.
 
2014-05-17 10:38:15 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Man On A Mission: TuteTibiImperes: This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?

From TFA:

"...despite telling the school they were not allowed to interview his son without a parent present, a school psychologist and police interviewed the boy."

Sounds like it's more about the school breaking the law themselves.

That point is something I don't have the knowledge to address. Perhaps one of the Fark Lawyers can weigh in.

I know that minors are afforded certain extra rights when it comes to being questioned, but just because dad said no doesn't mean that they legally weren't still in the right.


Parents/guardians control the Miranda rights of juveniles. While the school psychologist probably could have talked to him, the police could not. Anything he told them would be inadmissible in court and anything he told the psychologist would be privileged.
 
2014-05-17 10:43:59 AM
Reason magazine aka Libertarian pearl clutching about political correctness

Yawn
 
2014-05-17 10:51:04 AM
The Wheel of Fortune jokes are already taken, I see...
 
2014-05-17 11:29:31 AM
Keller says his son was suspended pending a "risk assessment" and that despite telling the school they were not allowed to interview his son without a parent present, a school psychologist and police interviewed the boy

Whoops.  The would-be fascists here may be getting an expensive lesson in the American legal system.

One can hope, anyway.
 
2014-05-17 11:33:07 AM
if 'N' is used for the second letter in "Another", why isn't it used in "tolerance"?

/also, the story's not about the game hangman, so subby's headline isn't relevant.
 
2014-05-17 11:58:32 AM
cloudfront-media.reason.com

DOOKIE

my mad hangman skillz get me laid.
 
2014-05-17 11:58:35 AM
Predictive voice recognition has a long way to go, huh?
 
2014-05-17 11:59:26 AM
Kids don't know about hangman anymore, they know about...
 
2014-05-17 11:59:40 AM
What if the hanging stick figure was actually intended to be a depiction of Muhammad?

oh my god
 
2014-05-17 12:00:04 PM
static.parade.condenast.com
 
2014-05-17 12:00:10 PM

calbert: if 'N' is used for the second letter in "Another", why isn't it used in "tolerance"?

/also, the story's not about the game hangman, so subby's headline isn't relevant.


There aren't enough details in the article to draw that conclusion.  So while you're probably right, it probably doesn't have anything to do with Hangman, it probably also wasn't a giant mural depicting the slow strangulation deaths of the entire faculty either.  Hope the father and son take these amateur fascists to the cleaners.
 
2014-05-17 12:01:28 PM
Oh look, it's ANTLER STREISAND DAT ASS EXTRA-TERRASTRIAL?  What the Fark does that even mean!?!
 
2014-05-17 12:03:28 PM
TuteTibiImperes:

People blamed the schools after Columbine and other school shootings for missing the warning signs that could have led to the incidents being stopped before they started.  This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?

He was certainly going to come to school with rope and hang a bunch of kids.
 
2014-05-17 12:05:44 PM

rnatalie: [static.parade.condenast.com image 850x531]


OMG! Vanna White wore bacon before Lady Gaga!
 
2014-05-17 12:05:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Despite the article's header image there is nothing in the text indicating it was a game of hangman. Given the reaction it's reasonable to assume it was a drawing selecting an actual person, or even the student himself, and should have been considered a threat.


It's also a Reason article so it's probably bullshait.
 
2014-05-17 12:07:04 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: TuteTibiImperes:

People blamed the schools after Columbine and other school shootings for missing the warning signs that could have led to the incidents being stopped before they started.  This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?

He was certainly going to come to school with rope and hang a bunch of kids.


When I was young, we were taught that only the worst sort of countries punished people for expressing their thoughts on paper.

And here we are, punishing people for their thoughts expressed on paper.
 
2014-05-17 12:08:31 PM

Fart_Machine: It's also a Reason article so it's probably bullshait.


Here's the original story, since the messenger is all that seems to matter around here.
 
2014-05-17 12:09:14 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: TuteTibiImperes:

People blamed the schools after Columbine and other school shootings for missing the warning signs that could have led to the incidents being stopped before they started.  This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?

He was certainly going to come to school with rope and hang a bunch of kids.


Without laws currently being in place regulating automatic ropes, rope capacities and, God forbid, black ropes... it could have been utter carnage.

These are laws that will never be passed thanks to lobbyists in the National Rope Association.
 
2014-05-17 12:10:14 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Fart_Machine: It's also a Reason article so it's probably bullshait.

Here's the original story, since the messenger is all that seems to matter around here.


I read the original story.  It's not about hangman.  Their implication by using the picture was bullshait so my mistake by using the word "probably".
 
2014-05-17 12:11:49 PM
If there are any farkers teaching in Japan, did you get the lecture from your manager/school about never using hangman again because of the elementary school kids(s) who committed suicide?

We also got a talkin' to after that guy in Gunma got drunk and decided to take a nap on the road.

And after those two girls in Okinawa tried to smuggle pills.

We got a lot of talkin' tos, actually.
 
2014-05-17 12:11:55 PM
it really says something about those dumbass zero tolerance policies.
 
2014-05-17 12:12:20 PM

mooseyfate: calbert: if 'N' is used for the second letter in "Another", why isn't it used in "tolerance"?

/also, the story's not about the game hangman, so subby's headline isn't relevant.

There aren't enough details in the article to draw that conclusion.  So while you're probably right, it probably doesn't have anything to do with Hangman, it probably also wasn't a giant mural depicting the slow strangulation deaths of the entire faculty either.  Hope the father and son take these amateur fascists to the cleaners.


Just doing some googling around I can't see where they have a  case. There seems to be some debate about when the police can interview minors without the presence of parents, but from what I can tell the only time the police have to make an effort to contact the parents is when the minor is placed under arrest. A non-custodial conversation or interview doesn't require the subject to be mirandized.

Going even further, that would only apply in terms of whether or not statements made in the interview were admissible in court.  The article makes no mention of the police bringing any charges, so there wouldn't be a court case here. The suspension and risk assessment are just school administrative procedures, not subject to the same standards as an actual legal proceeding.

Just because his dad said not to speak to him without him present doesn't mean the school is under any obligation to respect that request.
 
2014-05-17 12:14:14 PM
I used to doodle F4U Corsairs dropping napalm on Japanese. What would I win today?
 
2014-05-17 12:17:04 PM
Lucky for the kid he wasn't caught drawing dicks.

i131.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-17 12:17:14 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ETAOIN SHRDLU. Remember it. You'll never lose at Hangman. Which apparently you're never allowed to play anymore in school lest someone dime you out to the cops because they panicked for some completely incomprehensible reason.


That's a great crib for crypto work but not necessarily for hangman and other word games. There are lots of online discussions as to why; this http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/StevenStadnicki/20120702/168923/Word_Ga mes_and_the_myth_of_ETAOIN_SHRDLU.php is a pretty good one. Sorry, on mobile so I can't make that a live link. Nevertheless, I use ETAOIN SHRDLU for hangman because it's easily remembered, and I do win hangman a lot as a result.

Unless my opponent knows it too, and plays like I do. When it's my turn to pick a word or phrase I go with things like "quibble" and "strange quark." And it's great how often Douglas Adams readers won't challenge me when I use "Zarquon."
 
2014-05-17 12:19:50 PM
Ahh, Oregon.  That explains the retarded overreaction.
 
2014-05-17 12:20:20 PM
Government Schools are child abuse
 
2014-05-17 12:20:25 PM

Red Shirt Blues: I used to doodle F4U Corsairs dropping napalm on Japanese. What would I win today?


I was going through some of my old things a few months ago and found some of the "death murals" my friend and I used to draw. Violent stick figure dismemberment. I would be sent to prison for the rest of my natural life for that today.

/we even drew one on our history teacher's chalkboard
 
2014-05-17 12:22:36 PM
i61.tinypic.com
 
2014-05-17 12:23:50 PM
ANOTHER STERN AGENT DECLASS JERK TOLERABLE CAVITIES
 
2014-05-17 12:24:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I know that minors are afforded certain extra rights when it comes to being questioned, but just because dad said no doesn't mean that they legally weren't still in the right.


While IANAL, I would think a parent expressly stating "No!" to questioning outside of his, or a lawyer's, presence gives him even more of a case to sue.  Also, any cop should know a child can't waive their CRs (again, IANAL, but that's my understanding), and so should have prevented anyone from attempting to do so.  They have a duty to protect the child's rights.

Cha-ching!!!  This kid just got his college paid for by the school system!
 
2014-05-17 12:25:07 PM

ElLoco: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: TuteTibiImperes:

People blamed the schools after Columbine and other school shootings for missing the warning signs that could have led to the incidents being stopped before they started.  This school takes a proactive approach based on an illustrated threat and now people are coming down on them for that?

He was certainly going to come to school with rope and hang a bunch of kids.

Without laws currently being in place regulating automatic ropes, rope capacities and, God forbid, black ropes... it could have been utter carnage.

These are laws that will never be passed thanks to lobbyists in the National Rope Association.


I'm just thankful for the assault rope ban we have in place. There's no reason any law-abiding citizen would ever need an assault rope (or worry about the NSA listening to their phone conversations: what have you got to hide if you're on the right side of the law?). I mean, just why do you think it was called the "wild" west? Obviously, it was the free access to assault ropes those cowboys and ranchers had. We really need to make electronic rope locks to be made mandatory, too. We've been so very lucky so far that some farmer's kid hasn't killed everyone at school by bringing in his dad's hunting rope.

If God had wanted us to have ropes, he would've made a rope tree (no, sorry hempers - not your type of rope).
 
2014-05-17 12:25:51 PM

E5bie: rnatalie: [static.parade.condenast.com image 850x531]

OMG! Vanna White wore bacon before Lady Gaga!


Well, she is a fine piece of meat...
 
2014-05-17 12:26:53 PM
If they had these rules when I was in school, I would have spent half the time in jail.
 
2014-05-17 12:27:15 PM

indy_kid: Cha-ching!!! This kid just got his college paid for by the school system!


I bet the dad spends it all on hookers and blow.
 
2014-05-17 12:28:09 PM

mooseyfate: Red Shirt Blues: I used to doodle F4U Corsairs dropping napalm on Japanese. What would I win today?

I was going through some of my old things a few months ago and found some of the "death murals" my friend and I used to draw. Violent stick figure dismemberment. I would be sent to prison for the rest of my natural life for that today.

/we even drew one on our history teacher's chalkboard


Yeah, my friends and I used to spend our days making comic strips with stick figures killing each other in very graphic and creative ways. Hell, I even made a flip book of it in art class and turned it in for a grade. God knows what would happen to us today.
 
2014-05-17 12:28:10 PM

Fart_Machine: Marcus Aurelius: Fart_Machine: It's also a Reason article so it's probably bullshait.

Here's the original story, since the messenger is all that seems to matter around here.

I read the original story.  It's not about hangman.  Their implication by using the picture was bullshait so my mistake by using the word "probably".


So your beef is that the headline does not accurately reflect the story?

You must be new around here :)
 
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