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(Anchorage Daily News)   In the wake of the botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month, Utah has a suggestion: Bring back the firing squad   (adn.com) divider line 49
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2014-05-17 11:48:45 AM
5 votes:
Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.
2014-05-17 11:46:45 AM
4 votes:
There are some sadistic motherfarkers in this thread.
2014-05-17 04:01:17 PM
3 votes:
This works better and more accurate

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2014-05-17 09:46:42 AM
3 votes:

Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).


Because it has a serious negative psychological impact on the firing squad themselves.
2014-05-17 09:36:29 AM
3 votes:

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.
2014-05-17 09:27:04 AM
3 votes:

AngryDragon: Good.  Quit trying to sanitize it.  You're killing a criminal.  Just get it done.


They sanitize it to make it look less like murder (which it is) and more like justice (which it isn't). I don't favor the death penalty but no one's asked for my guidance on the subject. If it has to exist, I'm with you.

Quick and dirty and stop trying to make it appear humane.
2014-05-17 09:02:18 AM
3 votes:
Good.  Quit trying to sanitize it.  You're killing a criminal.  Just get it done.
2014-05-17 11:51:29 AM
2 votes:

Mugato: There are some sadistic motherfarkers in this thread.


Sadism and the death penalty go hand in hand.
2014-05-17 09:40:42 AM
2 votes:
Why can't we just use something like a Nitrogen Chamber (or another simple asphyxiate) and be done with it?

All of the symptoms of "not enough air" are caused by a build up on carbon dioxide. In the presence of air with inadequate oxygen but is able to exhale normally, a person simply goes unconscious and dies. It takes a bit longer, but their is no pain, no panic, and no poison.
2014-05-17 09:29:22 AM
2 votes:

Rootus: It should be brutal and public (not PPV, that just attracts the sickos, it should preempt local programming). If we're going to kill people we should be well aware of it. Sanitizing it just absolves us all of really thinking about it.


I disagree. The method speaks to the motivations and mindset of the people doing it. A sanitized execution says that the people just want that waste of a human gone. It doesn't have to be barbaric, just a way to delete someone who doesn't deserve to occupy the same planet as the rest of us anymore. Once you start making it more and more brutal, it brings too much emotion into the ordeal and says something bad about the society carrying it out. Granted that could be and is said of a society that engages in capital punishment at all. But my belief is that the line can be drawn at humane painless capital punishment being an effective way to remove people who have given up their right to be here, but without bringing us down to their level of savagery.
2014-05-17 09:18:11 AM
2 votes:

smunns: Having seen men die by being shot I really can't agree. However hanging when done right is pretty quick. Basically a proper hanging is internal decapitation. Unless you shoot some one at the base of the skull, they are going to be around for a bit. As a military man, I would choose firing squad.


Agreed. Having been shot, I can say there is nothing humane or positive about the experience. As much as I think child rapists should go out in as much pain as possible, it says a lot about a society in how they choose to do it. I do support capital punishment, but in more of a " there's no reason you should be on earth anymore, so we're deleting you" kind of way, not in a bloodthirsty revenge way. Lethal injection should be the way to go. Shame they can't figure out the right chemical mixture now that the old stuff isn't available.
2014-05-17 09:15:51 AM
2 votes:
I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.
2014-05-17 09:10:48 AM
2 votes:
Having seen men die by being shot I really can't agree. However hanging when done right is pretty quick. Basically a proper hanging is internal decapitation. Unless you shoot some one at the base of the skull, they are going to be around for a bit. As a military man, I would choose firing squad.
2014-05-17 06:35:21 AM
2 votes:
I don't have a problem with this.
2014-05-17 03:56:56 PM
1 votes:

taurusowner: without bringing us down to their level of savagery


I'd argue that hiring some poor lab tech to murder prisoners in secret speaks both to our level of savagery and our level of denial -- we are savage enough to kill people who no longer pose any legitimate threat to us (I'm not saying the don't deserve it, I'm just saying it's not self-defense), but we like to pretend that we're not. That dichotomy strikes me as cowardly and unjust. If society believes these people should die, society should see them die, and should have to deal with the consequences.
2014-05-17 02:19:33 PM
1 votes:

KyDave: The main reason that the State dispenses the punishment is because the crime was so heinous and irreverent of society that the State was indeed a victim of the convicted's actions. Send them to their Final Arbiter, and be done with it. Of course, this is predicated on the State's due diligence to rightly and correctly ascertain guilt - a whole other discussion by itself.


And what about all the people on death row who were found not guilty because of new evidence (and by implication we can assume that some innocents were executed), collateral damage?
2014-05-17 12:59:08 PM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: DrExplosion: burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.

It's a good thing you're so enlightened and merciful.

"Sure, we force people to spend the rest of their days trapped in a cage, deprived of any sort of freedom or personal agency, even preventing them from ending their own lives, but at least we aren't murderers."


Death isn't such a big deal and the West needs to stop being a bunch of farking children about it.

Alright. You go first.


Men have tried and failed to kill me but succeeded at killing my friends, and I've responded by killing them right back. It's dirty and unpleasant, but it isn't magic. I'm alive, they aren't, the world keeps spinning.

Most people in the West grow up in a bizarre, sheltered bubble where people reach "adulthood" without really being confronted with mortality, so when someone finally does die, everyone freaks out and acts like the sky is falling. Death is a thing that happens, and as a society we put too much value on "life."  Today's America would never have made it across the Atlantic, spread to the Pacific, learned to fly, or made it to the moon. One's own death is generally to be avoided if it can be done without compromising one's principles, and people are right to feel sad when their loved ones die, but we take it too far with our "life at any cost" philosophy. The fact that there is any sort of controversy regarding the right of a terminally ill individual to end their own life is a fine example of what I'm talking about.

But most relevantly, it's laughably hypocritical that anyone would acknowledge life in prison as a fate worse than death and in the same breath condemn capital punishment as sadistic or barbaric.
2014-05-17 12:44:49 PM
1 votes:
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Pile Driver, one quick splat and its over.
2014-05-17 12:22:16 PM
1 votes:

burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.


It's a good thing you're so enlightened and merciful.

"Sure, we force people to spend the rest of their days trapped in a cage, deprived of any sort of freedom or personal agency, even preventing them from ending their own lives, but at least we aren't murderers."


Death isn't such a big deal and the West needs to stop being a bunch of farking children about it.
2014-05-17 11:24:12 AM
1 votes:
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2014-05-17 10:49:08 AM
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.

Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


There's a reason I have you favorited.
2014-05-17 10:44:59 AM
1 votes:
Hydrogen sulfide.  EOM.
2014-05-17 10:20:33 AM
1 votes:
inert gas poisoning: guaranteed fatal, guaranteed painless
opioid overdoes: gauranteed fatal, guaranteed painless

The fact that neither of these are even on the table is proof that people want this to be painful.
2014-05-17 10:17:49 AM
1 votes:

Gonz: I figured out the solution in the shower the other day.

You hook the condemned up to one of the machines we use for blood donation. Turn it on, and don't stop at a pint. They get low blood pressure and pass out before death. It's clean, and worst case, you have to dispose of a gallon and a half of medical waste in the incinerator.


And you get the bonus of collecting their souls in floating spheres.

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2014-05-17 10:02:23 AM
1 votes:

Guns n' Farkin Roses: alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

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Really farkin' old school politician type, whiter-than-white with that dour stubborn look on his face and that annoying precision haircut. The worst kind of human being to be in power, but since only nostalgic old people vote these days, they get in again and again.

Always vote for the female visible majority candidate. Their minds aren't full of the mental baggage that the old farts have.
2014-05-17 09:58:41 AM
1 votes:
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2014-05-17 09:57:19 AM
1 votes:

onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.


You just need a plastic hood with a  check valve at the top. It has to seal reasonably well around the neck too. You feed in the nitrogen/helium at the bottom of the hood, and excess gas exits from the top of the hood. The feeling of suffocation comes from the build up of carbon dioxide, not the lack of oxygen. So as long as you are forcing the carbon dioxide out of the hood and feeding in more helium/nitrogen, you feel no pain.

The federal government raided a 91 year old grandmother in California who was sealing suicide kits through the mail.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/feds-raid-home-of-suicide- ki t-seller/
2014-05-17 09:46:49 AM
1 votes:
I'll hang with Doctor Guillotine's solution.
2014-05-17 09:46:46 AM
1 votes:
"I say "let's liven it up a little!" I honestly believe if you make the death penalty a little more entertaining and learn to market it correctly, you just might be able to raise enough money to balance the stupid [farkin'] budget!" - George Carlin

Limiting the scope of my commentary solely to the manner of execution, bring back the gallows. It's quick, economic, and if it fails the first time, you can either get a new rope or strangle them with the old one.

I can't wrap my mind around the ill-conceived lengths we go to to sanitize the process. We're killing a man, we ought have dignity and certainty enough to stand by our decision, and what that truly means.
2014-05-17 09:46:45 AM
1 votes:
I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.
2014-05-17 09:45:05 AM
1 votes:
Oddly, I think that trying to make it more humane and impersonal has led to it being more dehumanizing. Bring back the executioner.
2014-05-17 09:44:59 AM
1 votes:

camarugala: I see several people beat me to the punch w/ the inert gas option and that's a good thing I suppose. especially  if we are going to be one of the only countries in the first world with the death penalty in use anymore.


Dont forget China,Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam and Japan.
2014-05-17 09:36:58 AM
1 votes:
What's wrong with Inert gas asphyxiation? Does it take to long? It is certainly more than painless than the 3 drug protocol used if that's what everyone is worried about.
2014-05-17 09:35:26 AM
1 votes:

taurusowner: onyxruby: In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.

That's probably a good thing. Giving the State a tangible benefit (other than having fewer rapists/murderers) for killing someone seems like a slippery slope towards making it more common.


Your probably right about the slippery slope. A prisoner probably wouldn't have usable organs anyways.
2014-05-17 09:26:10 AM
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


You're assuming these guys would have organs you'd want.  Years in prison, prison tats, prison sex, and injectable drugs leads to some pretty high tuberculosis, Hep B, Hep C, and HIV rates.    Throw an organ in someone, add a little immunosuppression and wheee!
2014-05-17 09:26:02 AM
1 votes:

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


That's why you use nitrogen.  And frankly even helium is cheaper than ammo these days, not to mention you have to pay the shooters.
2014-05-17 09:23:24 AM
1 votes:
alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

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2014-05-17 09:20:45 AM
1 votes:

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


Because it's a pleasant way of dying.
2014-05-17 09:19:19 AM
1 votes:

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


Also this. That makes a lot of sense, and from what I've read, it's basically like going to sleep and not waking up. Probably a lot cheaper too.
2014-05-17 09:17:10 AM
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


Have you seen any horror movies at all? Everyone knows if you get an organ or body part from an executed man, you become a psycho killer yourself.
2014-05-17 09:14:30 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).


It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.
2014-05-17 09:14:16 AM
1 votes:
Why not bad heroin? I'm sure the police have some
2014-05-17 09:13:06 AM
1 votes:

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


Because anyone can kill a person.  The process is what defines the official version, not the outcome.
2014-05-17 09:09:57 AM
1 votes:
If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?
2014-05-17 09:08:50 AM
1 votes:

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.
2014-05-17 09:03:28 AM
1 votes:
I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.
2014-05-17 09:02:41 AM
1 votes:
Great idea.
Quick and cheap.
2014-05-17 08:21:26 AM
1 votes:
I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).
2014-05-17 05:28:03 AM
1 votes:
 
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