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(Anchorage Daily News)   In the wake of the botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month, Utah has a suggestion: Bring back the firing squad   (adn.com) divider line 209
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2014-05-17 09:37:09 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


LOL.  Thanks, I needed that image on a crappy Saturday morning.

Bwahahahaha
 
2014-05-17 09:40:31 AM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


7.62x39
 
2014-05-17 09:40:42 AM  
Why can't we just use something like a Nitrogen Chamber (or another simple asphyxiate) and be done with it?

All of the symptoms of "not enough air" are caused by a build up on carbon dioxide. In the presence of air with inadequate oxygen but is able to exhale normally, a person simply goes unconscious and dies. It takes a bit longer, but their is no pain, no panic, and no poison.
 
2014-05-17 09:43:23 AM  
I see several people beat me to the punch w/ the inert gas option and that's a good thing I suppose. especially  if we are going to be one of the only countries in the first world with the death penalty in use anymore.
 
2014-05-17 09:43:53 AM  

camarugala: What's wrong with Inert gas asphyxiation? Does it take to long? It is certainly more than painless than the 3 drug protocol used if that's what everyone is worried about.


What is wrong is you are trying to please the delicate sensibilities of Nannys, Nancy Boys and Idiots.
Hard to cover all the bases for that crowd.
 
2014-05-17 09:44:59 AM  

camarugala: I see several people beat me to the punch w/ the inert gas option and that's a good thing I suppose. especially  if we are going to be one of the only countries in the first world with the death penalty in use anymore.


Dont forget China,Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam and Japan.
 
2014-05-17 09:45:01 AM  

Thunderpipes: oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.

Personally, I think they need to bring back gladiators. That would be some serious entertainment. Put that NFL player who is on trial for murder, Hernandez? Up against the skinny little Private who leaked everything and is getting a sex change. Put em in the ring. Bundy vs Dalmer? All kinds of awesome match ups if we coordinated.


Thunderpipes, do you like movies about gladiators?
 
2014-05-17 09:45:05 AM  
Oddly, I think that trying to make it more humane and impersonal has led to it being more dehumanizing. Bring back the executioner.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:42 AM  

Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).


Because it has a serious negative psychological impact on the firing squad themselves.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:45 AM  
I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:46 AM  
"I say "let's liven it up a little!" I honestly believe if you make the death penalty a little more entertaining and learn to market it correctly, you just might be able to raise enough money to balance the stupid [farkin'] budget!" - George Carlin

Limiting the scope of my commentary solely to the manner of execution, bring back the gallows. It's quick, economic, and if it fails the first time, you can either get a new rope or strangle them with the old one.

I can't wrap my mind around the ill-conceived lengths we go to to sanitize the process. We're killing a man, we ought have dignity and certainty enough to stand by our decision, and what that truly means.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:49 AM  
I'll hang with Doctor Guillotine's solution.
 
2014-05-17 09:48:23 AM  

onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.


I'm not sure. With nitrogen, you'd have to make sure everything (mask, tubing, etc.) is perfectly air-tight, or else you'd get enough oxygen in the line to make animals that aren't dead but at that living-but-half-brain-dead stage that everyone wants to avoid.
 
2014-05-17 09:52:15 AM  
Lets just crucify people

If it was good enough for Jesus its good enough for the US of A
 
2014-05-17 09:52:42 AM  
Like
 
2014-05-17 09:54:18 AM  
Pfft, save your bullets. Just drop them into one of the more active volcanos that we have access to. Or
possibly one of the mudpots at Yellowstone.
 
2014-05-17 09:57:19 AM  

onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.


You just need a plastic hood with a  check valve at the top. It has to seal reasonably well around the neck too. You feed in the nitrogen/helium at the bottom of the hood, and excess gas exits from the top of the hood. The feeling of suffocation comes from the build up of carbon dioxide, not the lack of oxygen. So as long as you are forcing the carbon dioxide out of the hood and feeding in more helium/nitrogen, you feel no pain.

The federal government raided a 91 year old grandmother in California who was sealing suicide kits through the mail.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/feds-raid-home-of-suicide- ki t-seller/
 
2014-05-17 09:58:41 AM  
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-05-17 09:59:06 AM  
Something something bread and circuses...

Something something civilized society....

I tried to copy and paste a list of the countries that still have the death penalty but I am not smart enough to figure out how to do it.

so here:  http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/abolitionist-and-retentionist-countri e s

There are some nice vacation destinations on the list. But mostly complete shiat-holes that WE seem to think that we (Amurica) are better than for some reason.....

Somalia and Ethiopia we salute you!!
 
2014-05-17 10:00:58 AM  

subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.


Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.
 
2014-05-17 10:02:23 AM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

[apmobile.images.worldnow.com image 360x211]


Really farkin' old school politician type, whiter-than-white with that dour stubborn look on his face and that annoying precision haircut. The worst kind of human being to be in power, but since only nostalgic old people vote these days, they get in again and again.

Always vote for the female visible majority candidate. Their minds aren't full of the mental baggage that the old farts have.
 
2014-05-17 10:03:07 AM  

offacue: I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.


One way to get your rocks off.
 
2014-05-17 10:03:14 AM  

dsmith42: onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.

You just need a plastic hood with a  check valve at the top. It has to seal reasonably well around the neck too. You feed in the nitrogen/helium at the bottom of the hood, and excess gas exits from the top of the hood. The feeling of suffocation comes from the build up of carbon dioxide, not the lack of oxygen. So as long as you are forcing the carbon dioxide out of the hood and feeding in more helium/nitrogen, you feel no pain.

The federal government raided a 91 year old grandmother in California who was sealing suicide kits through the mail.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/feds-raid-home-of-suicide- ki t-seller/


Or you could use a gas chamber like room, just pump it full of nitrogen, and thats should do it.
 
2014-05-17 10:04:09 AM  
You might be able to get a free bullet or two from the DHS. They bought 6 Ba-zillion rounds of ammo for "practice". Hummmm. Somethings fishy here. Firing squads, yes, a few rounds for firing squads.
 
2014-05-17 10:06:09 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

Because it has a serious negative psychological impact on the firing squad themselves.


They made a firing squad machine. It worked fine.
 
2014-05-17 10:06:59 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Pfft, save your bullets. Just drop them into one of the more active volcanos that we have access to. Or
possibly one of the mudpots at Yellowstone.


But what about the thetans?
 
2014-05-17 10:07:49 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.

Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


"On a lighter note, the serial killer known as the Son of Kwame was executed today. His last words were 'Ooo eee,ooo ah ah ting tang Walla walla, bing bang'"
 
2014-05-17 10:09:55 AM  
Just another giant step back towards barbarism...
 
2014-05-17 10:12:29 AM  
I figured out the solution in the shower the other day.

You hook the condemned up to one of the machines we use for blood donation. Turn it on, and don't stop at a pint. They get low blood pressure and pass out before death. It's clean, and worst case, you have to dispose of a gallon and a half of medical waste in the incinerator.
 
2014-05-17 10:13:55 AM  
Nope.  I'm against firing squads because I know how it always turns out.  The person about to be shot has a drawn out conversation with the person leading the squad, prompting the squad leader to say the word "fire" and inadvertently be shot by his own men.

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2014-05-17 10:17:00 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


Or, for the real horrible criminals, give them sulfur hexafluoride, so they sound super-scary and bad-ass! Or, just give them all nitrous oxide, and let them laugh themselves to death...
 
2014-05-17 10:17:49 AM  

Gonz: I figured out the solution in the shower the other day.

You hook the condemned up to one of the machines we use for blood donation. Turn it on, and don't stop at a pint. They get low blood pressure and pass out before death. It's clean, and worst case, you have to dispose of a gallon and a half of medical waste in the incinerator.


And you get the bonus of collecting their souls in floating spheres.

/seeto reecho malvo rey
//seeto reecho malvo rey
 
2014-05-17 10:18:26 AM  
They stole this from 'Boston Legal'
Denny Crane inconsolable
 
2014-05-17 10:20:33 AM  
inert gas poisoning: guaranteed fatal, guaranteed painless
opioid overdoes: gauranteed fatal, guaranteed painless

The fact that neither of these are even on the table is proof that people want this to be painful.
 
2014-05-17 10:23:56 AM  
I'd be offended by all these comments if FARK didn't consider "Running Man" a documentary of humane capital punishment.
 
2014-05-17 10:25:27 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-17 10:27:48 AM  
Ask the Nazis, I'm sure they know a few ways.
 
2014-05-17 10:31:35 AM  
I'm going to have to insist on a blindfold for Sheldon here...
dryden.eastmanhouse.org
 
2014-05-17 10:35:31 AM  
He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm! Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

That is all...
 
2014-05-17 10:37:11 AM  

PreMortem: StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?

The eighth ammendment would like a word.


You hippies and your amendments. The only one that matters is the 2nd.
 
2014-05-17 10:38:47 AM  

offacue: I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.


but who would throw the first one?
 
2014-05-17 10:39:57 AM  
img.fark.net
This guy could help you with your botched executions problems...
 
2014-05-17 10:40:00 AM  
Hawt like a bullet to da head....

www.executedtoday.com
 
2014-05-17 10:41:30 AM  

W_Scarlet: ...
Limiting the scope of my commentary solely to the manner of execution, bring back the gallows. It's quick, economic, and if it fails the first time, you can either get a new rope or strangle them with the old one.

I can't wrap my mind around the ill-conceived lengths we go to to sanitize the process. We're killing a man, we ought have dignity and certainty enough to stand by our decision, and what that truly means.

This.  I never liked the idea of lethal injection, it's too sanitized of a procedure.  Let's bring back the gas chamber.  Executions should be somewhat ghastly, not only for the condemned, but for society as well.  We shouldn't make it too emotionally easy to put humans to death.  In fact, let's give the condemned 3 choices that they can't change once they agree to a method offered, e.g., hanging, firing squad, or gas chamber.
 
2014-05-17 10:44:59 AM  
Hydrogen sulfide.  EOM.
 
2014-05-17 10:49:08 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.

Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


There's a reason I have you favorited.
 
2014-05-17 11:00:19 AM  
The problem with the painless gasses is that people thrash around when their O2 levels get too low some times making it look like they are in a great deal of pain.  That seems to be built into the autonomic nervous system and the diaphragm will stat to spasm much like the hiccups.  Skeletal muscles can also start to spasm with low oxygen levels as well.
 
2014-05-17 11:05:17 AM  
I think you should give them a sporting chance like:

or

10mile.com
 
2014-05-17 11:06:23 AM  
www.dantenet.com

One of my favorite movies.
 
2014-05-17 11:08:40 AM  
Haha nice! Love it! I hope they do! All those anti execution hippies complaining about one little botched injection and now we have to go back to a more primitive but guaranteed effective method. fark it, I like the classics. Sure it's probably alot less humane than injection, but its more effective. Executions aren't going away in our lifetimes, so we may as well just buckle down and pick the lesser of the evils so to speak. Hippies wanna complain about one botched injection out of a shiatload, where as injections are really considered the most humane method we have. Whatever. So what will it be hippies? Effective, or humane? Can't always have both now, and like I said, executions aren't going away any time soon.
 
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