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(Anchorage Daily News)   In the wake of the botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month, Utah has a suggestion: Bring back the firing squad   (adn.com) divider line 208
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2014-05-17 05:28:03 AM  
 
2014-05-17 06:35:21 AM  
I don't have a problem with this.
 
2014-05-17 06:57:45 AM  
Given the choice, that is how I would want to be executed. Cigarette please, no hood.
 
2014-05-17 08:21:26 AM  
I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).
 
2014-05-17 09:02:18 AM  
Good.  Quit trying to sanitize it.  You're killing a criminal.  Just get it done.
 
2014-05-17 09:02:41 AM  
Great idea.
Quick and cheap.
 
2014-05-17 09:03:28 AM  
I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.
 
2014-05-17 09:05:58 AM  
1 word: Helium
 
2014-05-17 09:07:43 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


There could be an escape rout, too. Maybe an obstacle course of swinging ropes and balance beams surrounded by liquid hot magma.
 
2014-05-17 09:08:50 AM  

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.
 
2014-05-17 09:09:11 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


Personally, I think they need to bring back gladiators. That would be some serious entertainment. Put that NFL player who is on trial for murder, Hernandez? Up against the skinny little Private who leaked everything and is getting a sex change. Put em in the ring. Bundy vs Dalmer? All kinds of awesome match ups if we coordinated.
 
2014-05-17 09:09:52 AM  
I thought Utah still had the firing squad...like they were capital punishment hipsters. My first real awareness of modern execution was a Life magazine article about Gary Gilmore's in Utah.  I remember the pic of the black vinyl chair with the bullet hole in the back.
 
2014-05-17 09:09:57 AM  
If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?
 
2014-05-17 09:10:48 AM  
Having seen men die by being shot I really can't agree. However hanging when done right is pretty quick. Basically a proper hanging is internal decapitation. Unless you shoot some one at the base of the skull, they are going to be around for a bit. As a military man, I would choose firing squad.
 
2014-05-17 09:10:55 AM  
The Canadians tried firing squads, but it didn't work for some reason:

www.neowin.net
 
2014-05-17 09:13:06 AM  

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


Because anyone can kill a person.  The process is what defines the official version, not the outcome.
 
2014-05-17 09:13:44 AM  
Two words: lion cage
 
2014-05-17 09:13:58 AM  
ONE guy says bring back firing squads = Utah wants to bring back firing squads.

That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with the Internet. And our children, having never seen anything different, won't even recognize it when they're adults.
 
2014-05-17 09:14:16 AM  
Why not bad heroin? I'm sure the police have some
 
2014-05-17 09:14:30 AM  

Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).


It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.
 
2014-05-17 09:15:27 AM  
If we're going to do this let's do away with this whole diffusion of guilt bullshiat with the blank. You kill a man you don't get an intellectual out; that wouldn't fly in the real world anyway. The warden stands by with a pistol for the coup de grace if necessary and you put the thing on tv to let the good moral people see what they reap.
 
2014-05-17 09:15:51 AM  
I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.
 
2014-05-17 09:17:10 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


Have you seen any horror movies at all? Everyone knows if you get an organ or body part from an executed man, you become a psycho killer yourself.
 
2014-05-17 09:17:29 AM  
Do they realize how much ammo is these days???
 
2014-05-17 09:18:11 AM  

smunns: Having seen men die by being shot I really can't agree. However hanging when done right is pretty quick. Basically a proper hanging is internal decapitation. Unless you shoot some one at the base of the skull, they are going to be around for a bit. As a military man, I would choose firing squad.


Agreed. Having been shot, I can say there is nothing humane or positive about the experience. As much as I think child rapists should go out in as much pain as possible, it says a lot about a society in how they choose to do it. I do support capital punishment, but in more of a " there's no reason you should be on earth anymore, so we're deleting you" kind of way, not in a bloodthirsty revenge way. Lethal injection should be the way to go. Shame they can't figure out the right chemical mixture now that the old stuff isn't available.
 
2014-05-17 09:19:19 AM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


Also this. That makes a lot of sense, and from what I've read, it's basically like going to sleep and not waking up. Probably a lot cheaper too.
 
2014-05-17 09:19:52 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388804/

In China they have specialty vans they use for exactly that purpose.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death -v an-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html
 
2014-05-17 09:20:45 AM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


Because it's a pleasant way of dying.
 
2014-05-17 09:21:26 AM  

rnatalie: The Canadians tried firing squads, but it didn't work for some reason:

[www.neowin.net image 666x302]


US counterfeit. Doesn't say "Fifty, Eh?"
 
2014-05-17 09:21:58 AM  
Of course he does.

I'm also willing to wager he's Mormon and believes in blood atonement, too.

/he was the holiest man to ever slap iron. He killed for your sins.
 
2014-05-17 09:23:13 AM  

onyxruby: In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.


That's probably a good thing. Giving the State a tangible benefit (other than having fewer rapists/murderers) for killing someone seems like a slippery slope towards making it more common.
 
2014-05-17 09:23:24 AM  
alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

apmobile.images.worldnow.com
 
2014-05-17 09:23:57 AM  
Just another idiot politician with no clue stating an "expert" opinion.
Move along.

There are people who can handle this, he should listen to them, HaHa.
 
2014-05-17 09:24:15 AM  
It should be brutal and public (not PPV, that just attracts the sickos, it should preempt local programming). If we're going to kill people we should be well aware of it. Sanitizing it just absolves us all of really thinking about it.
 
2014-05-17 09:24:43 AM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.
 
2014-05-17 09:25:44 AM  
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"What would you like on your Tombstone?"
"Sausage and pepperoni!"

(Omg, I'm old enough to remember those commercials)
 
2014-05-17 09:26:02 AM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


That's why you use nitrogen.  And frankly even helium is cheaper than ammo these days, not to mention you have to pay the shooters.
 
2014-05-17 09:26:10 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


You're assuming these guys would have organs you'd want.  Years in prison, prison tats, prison sex, and injectable drugs leads to some pretty high tuberculosis, Hep B, Hep C, and HIV rates.    Throw an organ in someone, add a little immunosuppression and wheee!
 
2014-05-17 09:27:00 AM  

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Waste of Helium.

/I also want to outlaw Helium Balloons
 
2014-05-17 09:27:04 AM  

AngryDragon: Good.  Quit trying to sanitize it.  You're killing a criminal.  Just get it done.


They sanitize it to make it look less like murder (which it is) and more like justice (which it isn't). I don't favor the death penalty but no one's asked for my guidance on the subject. If it has to exist, I'm with you.

Quick and dirty and stop trying to make it appear humane.
 
2014-05-17 09:28:57 AM  

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


The eighth ammendment would like a word.
 
2014-05-17 09:29:22 AM  

Rootus: It should be brutal and public (not PPV, that just attracts the sickos, it should preempt local programming). If we're going to kill people we should be well aware of it. Sanitizing it just absolves us all of really thinking about it.


I disagree. The method speaks to the motivations and mindset of the people doing it. A sanitized execution says that the people just want that waste of a human gone. It doesn't have to be barbaric, just a way to delete someone who doesn't deserve to occupy the same planet as the rest of us anymore. Once you start making it more and more brutal, it brings too much emotion into the ordeal and says something bad about the society carrying it out. Granted that could be and is said of a society that engages in capital punishment at all. But my belief is that the line can be drawn at humane painless capital punishment being an effective way to remove people who have given up their right to be here, but without bringing us down to their level of savagery.
 
2014-05-17 09:30:53 AM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

[apmobile.images.worldnow.com image 360x211]


Pogey bait.

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Good idea! Put 'em in a helium balloon, wait for them to reach high enough that it pops. No need for an executioner!
 
2014-05-17 09:32:39 AM  

PreMortem: StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?

The eighth ammendment would like a word.


If we can take away 2nd amendment rights from criminals, why not 8th amendment rights?

/Kidding.
 
2014-05-17 09:33:45 AM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.


I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.
 
2014-05-17 09:34:55 AM  

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


Exactly my point. I mean, sure it was some gruesome Green Mile-type stuff but the end result is still the same...
 
2014-05-17 09:35:26 AM  

taurusowner: onyxruby: In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.

That's probably a good thing. Giving the State a tangible benefit (other than having fewer rapists/murderers) for killing someone seems like a slippery slope towards making it more common.


Your probably right about the slippery slope. A prisoner probably wouldn't have usable organs anyways.
 
2014-05-17 09:36:29 AM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.
 
2014-05-17 09:36:58 AM  
What's wrong with Inert gas asphyxiation? Does it take to long? It is certainly more than painless than the 3 drug protocol used if that's what everyone is worried about.
 
2014-05-17 09:37:08 AM  
Take them to.... Yemen.
 
2014-05-17 09:37:09 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


LOL.  Thanks, I needed that image on a crappy Saturday morning.

Bwahahahaha
 
2014-05-17 09:40:31 AM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


7.62x39
 
2014-05-17 09:40:42 AM  
Why can't we just use something like a Nitrogen Chamber (or another simple asphyxiate) and be done with it?

All of the symptoms of "not enough air" are caused by a build up on carbon dioxide. In the presence of air with inadequate oxygen but is able to exhale normally, a person simply goes unconscious and dies. It takes a bit longer, but their is no pain, no panic, and no poison.
 
2014-05-17 09:43:23 AM  
I see several people beat me to the punch w/ the inert gas option and that's a good thing I suppose. especially  if we are going to be one of the only countries in the first world with the death penalty in use anymore.
 
2014-05-17 09:43:53 AM  

camarugala: What's wrong with Inert gas asphyxiation? Does it take to long? It is certainly more than painless than the 3 drug protocol used if that's what everyone is worried about.


What is wrong is you are trying to please the delicate sensibilities of Nannys, Nancy Boys and Idiots.
Hard to cover all the bases for that crowd.
 
2014-05-17 09:44:59 AM  

camarugala: I see several people beat me to the punch w/ the inert gas option and that's a good thing I suppose. especially  if we are going to be one of the only countries in the first world with the death penalty in use anymore.


Dont forget China,Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam and Japan.
 
2014-05-17 09:45:01 AM  

Thunderpipes: oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.

Personally, I think they need to bring back gladiators. That would be some serious entertainment. Put that NFL player who is on trial for murder, Hernandez? Up against the skinny little Private who leaked everything and is getting a sex change. Put em in the ring. Bundy vs Dalmer? All kinds of awesome match ups if we coordinated.


Thunderpipes, do you like movies about gladiators?
 
2014-05-17 09:45:05 AM  
Oddly, I think that trying to make it more humane and impersonal has led to it being more dehumanizing. Bring back the executioner.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:42 AM  

Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).


Because it has a serious negative psychological impact on the firing squad themselves.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:45 AM  
I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:46 AM  
"I say "let's liven it up a little!" I honestly believe if you make the death penalty a little more entertaining and learn to market it correctly, you just might be able to raise enough money to balance the stupid [farkin'] budget!" - George Carlin

Limiting the scope of my commentary solely to the manner of execution, bring back the gallows. It's quick, economic, and if it fails the first time, you can either get a new rope or strangle them with the old one.

I can't wrap my mind around the ill-conceived lengths we go to to sanitize the process. We're killing a man, we ought have dignity and certainty enough to stand by our decision, and what that truly means.
 
2014-05-17 09:46:49 AM  
I'll hang with Doctor Guillotine's solution.
 
2014-05-17 09:48:23 AM  

onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.


I'm not sure. With nitrogen, you'd have to make sure everything (mask, tubing, etc.) is perfectly air-tight, or else you'd get enough oxygen in the line to make animals that aren't dead but at that living-but-half-brain-dead stage that everyone wants to avoid.
 
2014-05-17 09:52:15 AM  
Lets just crucify people

If it was good enough for Jesus its good enough for the US of A
 
2014-05-17 09:52:42 AM  
Like
 
2014-05-17 09:54:18 AM  
Pfft, save your bullets. Just drop them into one of the more active volcanos that we have access to. Or
possibly one of the mudpots at Yellowstone.
 
2014-05-17 09:57:19 AM  

onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.


You just need a plastic hood with a  check valve at the top. It has to seal reasonably well around the neck too. You feed in the nitrogen/helium at the bottom of the hood, and excess gas exits from the top of the hood. The feeling of suffocation comes from the build up of carbon dioxide, not the lack of oxygen. So as long as you are forcing the carbon dioxide out of the hood and feeding in more helium/nitrogen, you feel no pain.

The federal government raided a 91 year old grandmother in California who was sealing suicide kits through the mail.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/feds-raid-home-of-suicide- ki t-seller/
 
2014-05-17 09:58:41 AM  
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-05-17 09:59:06 AM  
Something something bread and circuses...

Something something civilized society....

I tried to copy and paste a list of the countries that still have the death penalty but I am not smart enough to figure out how to do it.

so here:  http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/abolitionist-and-retentionist-countri e s

There are some nice vacation destinations on the list. But mostly complete shiat-holes that WE seem to think that we (Amurica) are better than for some reason.....

Somalia and Ethiopia we salute you!!
 
2014-05-17 10:00:58 AM  

subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.


Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.
 
2014-05-17 10:02:23 AM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

[apmobile.images.worldnow.com image 360x211]


Really farkin' old school politician type, whiter-than-white with that dour stubborn look on his face and that annoying precision haircut. The worst kind of human being to be in power, but since only nostalgic old people vote these days, they get in again and again.

Always vote for the female visible majority candidate. Their minds aren't full of the mental baggage that the old farts have.
 
2014-05-17 10:03:07 AM  

offacue: I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.


One way to get your rocks off.
 
2014-05-17 10:03:14 AM  

dsmith42: onyxruby: Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.

I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.

You just need a plastic hood with a  check valve at the top. It has to seal reasonably well around the neck too. You feed in the nitrogen/helium at the bottom of the hood, and excess gas exits from the top of the hood. The feeling of suffocation comes from the build up of carbon dioxide, not the lack of oxygen. So as long as you are forcing the carbon dioxide out of the hood and feeding in more helium/nitrogen, you feel no pain.

The federal government raided a 91 year old grandmother in California who was sealing suicide kits through the mail.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/05/26/feds-raid-home-of-suicide- ki t-seller/


Or you could use a gas chamber like room, just pump it full of nitrogen, and thats should do it.
 
2014-05-17 10:04:09 AM  
You might be able to get a free bullet or two from the DHS. They bought 6 Ba-zillion rounds of ammo for "practice". Hummmm. Somethings fishy here. Firing squads, yes, a few rounds for firing squads.
 
2014-05-17 10:06:09 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

Because it has a serious negative psychological impact on the firing squad themselves.


They made a firing squad machine. It worked fine.
 
2014-05-17 10:06:59 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Pfft, save your bullets. Just drop them into one of the more active volcanos that we have access to. Or
possibly one of the mudpots at Yellowstone.


But what about the thetans?
 
2014-05-17 10:07:49 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.

Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


"On a lighter note, the serial killer known as the Son of Kwame was executed today. His last words were 'Ooo eee,ooo ah ah ting tang Walla walla, bing bang'"
 
2014-05-17 10:09:55 AM  
Just another giant step back towards barbarism...
 
2014-05-17 10:12:29 AM  
I figured out the solution in the shower the other day.

You hook the condemned up to one of the machines we use for blood donation. Turn it on, and don't stop at a pint. They get low blood pressure and pass out before death. It's clean, and worst case, you have to dispose of a gallon and a half of medical waste in the incinerator.
 
2014-05-17 10:13:55 AM  
Nope.  I'm against firing squads because I know how it always turns out.  The person about to be shot has a drawn out conversation with the person leading the squad, prompting the squad leader to say the word "fire" and inadvertently be shot by his own men.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-05-17 10:17:00 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


Or, for the real horrible criminals, give them sulfur hexafluoride, so they sound super-scary and bad-ass! Or, just give them all nitrous oxide, and let them laugh themselves to death...
 
2014-05-17 10:17:49 AM  

Gonz: I figured out the solution in the shower the other day.

You hook the condemned up to one of the machines we use for blood donation. Turn it on, and don't stop at a pint. They get low blood pressure and pass out before death. It's clean, and worst case, you have to dispose of a gallon and a half of medical waste in the incinerator.


And you get the bonus of collecting their souls in floating spheres.

/seeto reecho malvo rey
//seeto reecho malvo rey
 
2014-05-17 10:18:26 AM  
They stole this from 'Boston Legal'
Denny Crane inconsolable
 
2014-05-17 10:20:33 AM  
inert gas poisoning: guaranteed fatal, guaranteed painless
opioid overdoes: gauranteed fatal, guaranteed painless

The fact that neither of these are even on the table is proof that people want this to be painful.
 
2014-05-17 10:23:56 AM  
I'd be offended by all these comments if FARK didn't consider "Running Man" a documentary of humane capital punishment.
 
2014-05-17 10:25:27 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-17 10:27:48 AM  
Ask the Nazis, I'm sure they know a few ways.
 
2014-05-17 10:31:35 AM  
I'm going to have to insist on a blindfold for Sheldon here...
dryden.eastmanhouse.org
 
2014-05-17 10:35:31 AM  
He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm! Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

That is all...
 
2014-05-17 10:37:11 AM  

PreMortem: StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?

The eighth ammendment would like a word.


You hippies and your amendments. The only one that matters is the 2nd.
 
2014-05-17 10:38:47 AM  

offacue: I say go with public stoning.  Get in line, buy a rock for $5 or so, throw it at the dude.  Proceeds go to the victim's family.


but who would throw the first one?
 
2014-05-17 10:39:57 AM  
img.fark.net
This guy could help you with your botched executions problems...
 
2014-05-17 10:41:30 AM  

W_Scarlet: ...
Limiting the scope of my commentary solely to the manner of execution, bring back the gallows. It's quick, economic, and if it fails the first time, you can either get a new rope or strangle them with the old one.

I can't wrap my mind around the ill-conceived lengths we go to to sanitize the process. We're killing a man, we ought have dignity and certainty enough to stand by our decision, and what that truly means.

This.  I never liked the idea of lethal injection, it's too sanitized of a procedure.  Let's bring back the gas chamber.  Executions should be somewhat ghastly, not only for the condemned, but for society as well.  We shouldn't make it too emotionally easy to put humans to death.  In fact, let's give the condemned 3 choices that they can't change once they agree to a method offered, e.g., hanging, firing squad, or gas chamber.
 
2014-05-17 10:44:59 AM  
Hydrogen sulfide.  EOM.
 
2014-05-17 10:49:08 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: subfactorial: TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.

Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.

Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.


There's a reason I have you favorited.
 
2014-05-17 11:00:19 AM  
The problem with the painless gasses is that people thrash around when their O2 levels get too low some times making it look like they are in a great deal of pain.  That seems to be built into the autonomic nervous system and the diaphragm will stat to spasm much like the hiccups.  Skeletal muscles can also start to spasm with low oxygen levels as well.
 
2014-05-17 11:05:17 AM  
I think you should give them a sporting chance like:

or

10mile.com
 
2014-05-17 11:06:23 AM  
www.dantenet.com

One of my favorite movies.
 
2014-05-17 11:08:40 AM  
Haha nice! Love it! I hope they do! All those anti execution hippies complaining about one little botched injection and now we have to go back to a more primitive but guaranteed effective method. fark it, I like the classics. Sure it's probably alot less humane than injection, but its more effective. Executions aren't going away in our lifetimes, so we may as well just buckle down and pick the lesser of the evils so to speak. Hippies wanna complain about one botched injection out of a shiatload, where as injections are really considered the most humane method we have. Whatever. So what will it be hippies? Effective, or humane? Can't always have both now, and like I said, executions aren't going away any time soon.
 
2014-05-17 11:12:04 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


Better yet, have life imitate art. Like real life Death Race, or do something like the movie the condemned where we put em on a booby trapped island against eachother and let the last one alive go. Or hopefully the future can bring us some shiat like in Gamer. Movies give us all these awesome ideas and yet we never use them..... Pity.....
 
m00
2014-05-17 11:14:40 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

Because it has a serious negative psychological impact on the firing squad themselves.


Too bad.

I'm sorry but if society wants to kill a prisoner we need to own the moral consequences. Saying "we need to automate executions so there is no psychological consequences" is like saying "we need to do away with juries because it's not fair to make a juror see all that bloody evidence"

We should have firing squads. And if nobody wants to pull the trigger it should be treated like a jury nullification (sentence reverts to life)
 
2014-05-17 11:19:00 AM  
Trash bags and paint thinner. Cheaper, death by huffing.
 
2014-05-17 11:20:17 AM  
I think if I got to choose my own I'd want the guillotine. Seems like it would be quick and painless and nicely gruesome for onlookers.  And right before the lights go out you might sense yourself diving into the bowl or wherever your head ends up. Could be good for some final lulz.
 
2014-05-17 11:23:37 AM  
Max should be lifetime sentence, with prisoner requested euthanasia for those with such sentences once they're ready to go, make sure everything is in order, and then let them go in a humane way. Regardless of what they did, they're still human, and an uncomfortable fact is that a different set of circumstances about one's life could lead one human to murder another or more depraved behaviors, sometimes even random, poor luck circumstances such as mental illness.

They may be messed up people, but they're still people. In addition, lifetime prison is cheaper than the death penalty as-is, and is slightly more reversible than death if advanced police techniques exonerate them in the future. Slightly.
 
2014-05-17 11:24:12 AM  
37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-17 11:28:43 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

/approves
 
2014-05-17 11:28:51 AM  

Abox: I think if I got to choose my own I'd want the guillotine. Seems like it would be quick and painless and nicely gruesome for onlookers.  And right before the lights go out you might sense yourself diving into the bowl or wherever your head ends up. Could be good for some final lulz.


You know you're still alive for like two minutes after those right? You can still see and hear everything
 
m00
2014-05-17 11:39:34 AM  
www.quickmeme.com

/what, are you gay?
 
2014-05-17 11:42:58 AM  

way south: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 379x214]


This
 
2014-05-17 11:43:01 AM  
50 millimeter rifle shot straight to the head.  The executed's brain would be liquified before the nerve synapses can fire to register anything.
 
2014-05-17 11:46:02 AM  

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Hydrogen. And a spark
 
2014-05-17 11:46:45 AM  
There are some sadistic motherfarkers in this thread.
 
2014-05-17 11:48:45 AM  
Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.
 
2014-05-17 11:51:29 AM  

Mugato: There are some sadistic motherfarkers in this thread.


Sadism and the death penalty go hand in hand.
 
2014-05-17 11:54:07 AM  

zarker: Abox: I think if I got to choose my own I'd want the guillotine. Seems like it would be quick and painless and nicely gruesome for onlookers.  And right before the lights go out you might sense yourself diving into the bowl or wherever your head ends up. Could be good for some final lulz.

You know you're still alive for like two minutes after those right? You can still see and hear everything


I doubt that, but even so that would be my choice.
 
2014-05-17 11:57:59 AM  

burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.


This. So much this. Farking barbaric, and a lot of our citizens are barbarians.

In the meantime, force legislatures and governors to be the executioners. If someone is going to have the psychological problems, make it the farking barbarians who voted for it. Voted to uphold the death penalty? You pull the lever.
 
2014-05-17 12:06:17 PM  

burning_bridge: Ever see someone go through cancer? Or heart disease?


So, we should find a way to give them cancer?
 
2014-05-17 12:12:51 PM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.


They used to do it in CA with the cyanide gas chamber. The gas would be vented out the roof after the prisoner died.
 
2014-05-17 12:17:48 PM  

onyxruby: In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.


Definitely not after seeing that Ray Liotta movie.
 
2014-05-17 12:19:03 PM  
Three guys are walking through a jungle when they are caught and taken prisoner by a savage tribe. The tribe chief says to the first man, "I will give you two choices. Death, or bungie."

The man, not knowing what 'bungie' was, decided to choose that, because anything could be better than death. So the tribe proceeded to sodomize him repeatedly, for over an hour until he could barely walk. He stumbled away in tears as the other two men watched in horror.

The chief asks the second man, "Death, or bungie?" The man was horrified by what he had seen, but still would rather not die. He chose bungie, and the tribe proceeded to sodomize him even more viciously than the first man, for hours and hours, leaving him permanently crippled. He dragged himself away, sobbing.

The chief asked the last man, "Death or bungie?" The man decided that anything could be better than this 'bungie', even death. "I choose death!" the man exclaimed, bravely. The chief smiled. "Very well. Death.. by bungie!"
 
2014-05-17 12:20:20 PM  
There's really a quite simple solution to these problems. All we have to do is stop executing people like a civilized nation. But that's not going to happen anytime soon, so I vote for guillotines. Quick, effective, and pretty much fail safe. No, you're not alive (or at least conscious) more than a couple seconds and it's nice and bloody for the sadists.
 
2014-05-17 12:22:16 PM  

burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.


It's a good thing you're so enlightened and merciful.

"Sure, we force people to spend the rest of their days trapped in a cage, deprived of any sort of freedom or personal agency, even preventing them from ending their own lives, but at least we aren't murderers."


Death isn't such a big deal and the West needs to stop being a bunch of farking children about it.
 
2014-05-17 12:24:12 PM  
www.starwarped.net

You contemptible pig! I remained celibate for you. I stood at the back of a cathedral, waiting, in celibacy, for you, with three hundred friends and relatives in attendance. My uncle hired the best Romanian caterers in the state. To obtain the seven limousines for the wedding party, my father used up his last favor with Mad Pete Trullo. So for me, for my mother, my grandmother, my father, my uncle, and for the common good, I must now kill you, and your brother.
 
2014-05-17 12:25:12 PM  
accurateshooter.net
 
2014-05-17 12:27:00 PM  

DrExplosion: burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.

It's a good thing you're so enlightened and merciful.

"Sure, we force people to spend the rest of their days trapped in a cage, deprived of any sort of freedom or personal agency, even preventing them from ending their own lives, but at least we aren't murderers."


Death isn't such a big deal and the West needs to stop being a bunch of farking children about it.


Alright. You go first.
 
2014-05-17 12:36:41 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


Except the brain. You don't want the brain: especially if its Abby Normal's.
 
2014-05-17 12:37:27 PM  
Firing squads are still too PC for the effect that corporal punishments are supposed to have.

The punishment was supposed to be so severe, so painful that no sane person would ever commit said crimes.  Drawn and quartered by horses, beheadings, hangings, stonings.....those are how you prevent crime with corporal punishments.  They have to fear the end, not welcome it.
 
2014-05-17 12:38:32 PM  

DON.MAC: The problem with the painless gasses is that people thrash around when their O2 levels get too low some times making it look like they are in a great deal of pain.  That seems to be built into the autonomic nervous system and the diaphragm will stat to spasm much like the hiccups.  Skeletal muscles can also start to spasm with low oxygen levels as well.


Are you sure about that? I thought that was only due to increased CO2 concentrations, not decreased O2...
 
2014-05-17 12:44:49 PM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
Pile Driver, one quick splat and its over.
 
2014-05-17 12:46:33 PM  
Aw, heck. Why not just dip them in a big vat of liquid nitrogen and then drop them on a concrete floor?
 
2014-05-17 12:48:24 PM  
I say, bring back Trial by Combat. Let the accused chose his champion, and let America choose hers. Now, America's champion is the atomic bomb, so to prove your innocence, all you have to do is not disintegrate at the atomic level.

//let them appeal over radioactive dust and bones.
//some one send for Rossart!
 
2014-05-17 12:48:35 PM  

RobSeace: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.

Or, for the real horrible criminals, give them sulfur hexafluoride, so they sound super-scary and bad-ass! Or, just give them all nitrous oxide, and let them laugh themselves to death...


Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah  Wah
 
2014-05-17 12:48:37 PM  

andyofne: burning_bridge: Ever see someone go through cancer? Or heart disease?

So, we should find a way to give them cancer?


Final cigarettes?
 
2014-05-17 12:51:32 PM  
Save them for Shark Week.
 
2014-05-17 12:59:08 PM  

LoneWolf343: DrExplosion: burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.

It's a good thing you're so enlightened and merciful.

"Sure, we force people to spend the rest of their days trapped in a cage, deprived of any sort of freedom or personal agency, even preventing them from ending their own lives, but at least we aren't murderers."


Death isn't such a big deal and the West needs to stop being a bunch of farking children about it.

Alright. You go first.


Men have tried and failed to kill me but succeeded at killing my friends, and I've responded by killing them right back. It's dirty and unpleasant, but it isn't magic. I'm alive, they aren't, the world keeps spinning.

Most people in the West grow up in a bizarre, sheltered bubble where people reach "adulthood" without really being confronted with mortality, so when someone finally does die, everyone freaks out and acts like the sky is falling. Death is a thing that happens, and as a society we put too much value on "life."  Today's America would never have made it across the Atlantic, spread to the Pacific, learned to fly, or made it to the moon. One's own death is generally to be avoided if it can be done without compromising one's principles, and people are right to feel sad when their loved ones die, but we take it too far with our "life at any cost" philosophy. The fact that there is any sort of controversy regarding the right of a terminally ill individual to end their own life is a fine example of what I'm talking about.

But most relevantly, it's laughably hypocritical that anyone would acknowledge life in prison as a fate worse than death and in the same breath condemn capital punishment as sadistic or barbaric.
 
2014-05-17 01:06:14 PM  
My idea: a large heavy steel plate. Place anesthetized inmate on plate. Drop a multi-ton steel weight with large flat bottom onto him, crushing him instantly into a thin paste. Requires some cleanup but extremely quick and absolutely foolproof.
 
2014-05-17 01:12:05 PM  
I'd say bring back the chair, personally.   And if its a truly evil person, allow people to have their electricity turned off so more kilowattage can be channeled into the chair.
 
2014-05-17 01:12:42 PM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


5.56? You want to tickle the guy to death?
 
2014-05-17 01:33:15 PM  

burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.


"[S]olves nothing"? Two words: zero recidivism.  Since you seem to want them to "live nice, long lives", how about we let 'em come live at your place? And please don't ask for grocery money.

Joking and sound bites aside: Conviction of heinous crimes shows one's (utter lack of) regard for the moral structure of society. Due to their profound contempt for this structure, the society cannot rightly regard the convicted as fit to be part of it and they should be expelled from it. Rather than keep the condemned confined until they expire on their own (a pointless punishment, as there is no opportunity to demonstrate repentance; not necessarily in the religious sense of the word), society is actually demonstrating mercy by sending the offender to meet their own personal Final Arbiter - be it their god, if they believe in one; their next life, if they believe in such; or an empty eternity, if that is their belief - without undue delay.

It is not 'eye-for-an-eye' per se, as the method of execution is not in parity with their transgression. Neither is it necessarily for vengeance because:
1) "vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" demonstrates to the religious that revenge is a sin unto itself,
2) the same passage demonstrates to the religious that their God will be the Final Arbiter mentioned above, meaning that Man is unfit to dispense lethal judgment upon another, and by disregarding the moral structure of society the condemned disregards the righteousness of God, and
3) Irrespective of faith - or disbelief - the dead victim does not kill the condemned, nor does the family of the victim. The State performs the execution, and so the family cannot claim to have had a hand in avenging the dead.

The main reason that the State dispenses the punishment is because the crime was so heinous and irreverent of society that the State was indeed a victim of the convicted's actions. Send them to their Final Arbiter, and be done with it. Of course, this is predicated on the State's due diligence to rightly and correctly ascertain guilt - a whole other discussion by itself.
 
2014-05-17 01:38:36 PM  
I thought the Obamacare death panels would take care of this?
 
2014-05-17 01:43:21 PM  
ah, yes - the mormon concept of "blood atonement." it's so 21st century!
 
2014-05-17 01:50:49 PM  
There are two simple ways states with execution could stop botching them.

1. Use drugs that we already know kill people, like morphine. You give enough Morph to anyone and it's adios muchachos. And less traumatized witnesses too.
2. Stop state-sanctioned murder.

I know. It seems TOO obvious.
 
2014-05-17 01:57:52 PM  
With square bullets!

/amirite?
 
2014-05-17 01:58:35 PM  
Or do what some native tribes used to (and some still) do:

Exile them to an uninhabited island with a harsh environment, with nothing but the clothes on their back.

This strikes me as much more civilized. And just, especially for the most heinous and basest of criminals.
 
2014-05-17 02:01:49 PM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


Rootus: It should be brutal and public (not PPV, that just attracts the sickos, it should preempt local programming). If we're going to kill people we should be well aware of it. Sanitizing it just absolves us all of really thinking about it.


The problem I see with PPV is you are turning it into a profit center, which like for profit prisons, would end up killing innocent people for the dollar.
"We have to fill the line up for tonight's execution."

imageshack.com
 
2014-05-17 02:19:33 PM  

KyDave: The main reason that the State dispenses the punishment is because the crime was so heinous and irreverent of society that the State was indeed a victim of the convicted's actions. Send them to their Final Arbiter, and be done with it. Of course, this is predicated on the State's due diligence to rightly and correctly ascertain guilt - a whole other discussion by itself.


And what about all the people on death row who were found not guilty because of new evidence (and by implication we can assume that some innocents were executed), collateral damage?
 
m00
2014-05-17 03:22:21 PM  

Mugato: And what about all the people on death row who were found not guilty because of new evidence (and by implication we can assume that some innocents were executed), collateral damage?


What do you mean? If they weren't guilty, the prosecutor would have charged them in the first place.
 
2014-05-17 03:33:27 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-17 03:36:08 PM  
www.scarecrow.com
 
2014-05-17 03:56:56 PM  

taurusowner: without bringing us down to their level of savagery


I'd argue that hiring some poor lab tech to murder prisoners in secret speaks both to our level of savagery and our level of denial -- we are savage enough to kill people who no longer pose any legitimate threat to us (I'm not saying the don't deserve it, I'm just saying it's not self-defense), but we like to pretend that we're not. That dichotomy strikes me as cowardly and unjust. If society believes these people should die, society should see them die, and should have to deal with the consequences.
 
2014-05-17 03:57:11 PM  
Each major city just puts its prisoners in the unpressurized cargo hold of a jet flying to one of the other cities.  Then, they just bury each other's dead and call it a day.  We already have all these cargo jets flying around.
 
2014-05-17 04:01:17 PM  
This works better and more accurate

www.investwithalex.com
 
2014-05-17 04:02:54 PM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


nitrogen, in fact. We ain't running out of that.

this whole debate is brain damaged because the whole point of lethal injection  is "kick backs" to pharma companies with exclusive contracts.

think about that for a sec, before we get back to the point; a pure nitrogen is an entirely painless to kill someone, cheaply, surely, peacefully. but we dont (see previous paragraph for your quotient of ill-will towards corporate-governance revolving doors)
 
2014-05-17 04:36:18 PM  

profplump: If society believes these people should die, society should see them die, and should have to deal with the consequences.


Unless you never believed in the death penalty in the first place, in which case you shouldn't have to watch someone strapped to something and murdered in cold blood, which let's not sugar coat it, is exactly what an execution is.
 
2014-05-17 04:49:31 PM  

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Wouldnt a plastic bag of pure nitrogen do the same thing with the same gently passing out?

I remember when some nasa employees accidentally walked into a room flooded with nitrogen, and they just passed out and died.

Nitrogen would be cheaper too, right?

I briefly researched this option after game 7 sharks/kings :(
 
2014-05-17 05:16:58 PM  
How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?  Nothing more infuriating than reading about how some sick fark convicted of killing some innocent girl by a gruesome method is concerned that the drug cocktail he will be given might give him a slight headache during the execution.
 
2014-05-17 05:20:35 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?


Because we're trying to have a civilization here?
 
2014-05-17 05:30:46 PM  

DrExplosion: LoneWolf343: DrExplosion: burning_bridge: Just get rid of it.  Pointless, stupid, solves nothing, deters nobody, costs a ton of money, and makes us all murderers in the eyes of the world.

"But they need to be punished!"

Live long enough, life punishes you.  Ever see someone go through cancer?  Or heart disease?  Or the other things that come with old age?  Or even just watching your face change as it gets wrinkled and ugly.  No, if you really want them to be punished you'll let them live nice, long lives.  Death is the easy way out.  Make them live each one of their miserable years.

It's a good thing you're so enlightened and merciful.

"Sure, we force people to spend the rest of their days trapped in a cage, deprived of any sort of freedom or personal agency, even preventing them from ending their own lives, but at least we aren't murderers."


Death isn't such a big deal and the West needs to stop being a bunch of farking children about it.

Alright. You go first.

Men have tried and failed to kill me but succeeded at killing my friends, and I've responded by killing them right back. It's dirty and unpleasant, but it isn't magic. I'm alive, they aren't, the world keeps spinning.

Most people in the West grow up in a bizarre, sheltered bubble where people reach "adulthood" without really being confronted with mortality, so when someone finally does die, everyone freaks out and acts like the sky is falling. Death is a thing that happens, and as a society we put too much value on "life."  Today's America would never have made it across the Atlantic, spread to the Pacific, learned to fly, or made it to the moon. One's own death is generally to be avoided if it can be done without compromising one's principles, and people are right to feel sad when their loved ones die, but we take it too far with our "life at any cost" philosophy. The fact that there is any sort of controversy regarding the right of a terminally ill individual to end their own life is a fine exampl ...


Every time someone has tried to convince me that they are a stone cold killer, they turn out to be rather transparent liars.
 
2014-05-17 05:43:10 PM  

taurusowner: A sanitized execution says that the people just want that waste of a human gone. It doesn't have to be barbaric, just a way to delete someone who doesn't deserve to occupy the same planet as the rest of us anymore.


And that, my friend, was precisely the argument in favour of Zyklon B. Quick clean disposal of worthless people.

No person, and certainly no government, has the right to decide that someone doesn't deserve to occupy the same planet as the rest of us anymore
 
2014-05-17 05:44:12 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?


How about you join the rest of the civilised world and stop allowing your government to kill people?
 
2014-05-17 05:46:47 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: PreMortem: StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?

The eighth ammendment would like a word.

If we can take away 2nd amendment rights from criminals, why not 8th amendment rights?

/Kidding.


I think you mean, "if we can take away 2nd amendement rights from citizens, not whot the 8th amendment rights from criminals.

(i'm trying)
 
2014-05-17 05:53:11 PM  

Mugato: profplump: If society believes these people should die, society should see them die, and should have to deal with the consequences.

Unless you never believed in the death penalty in the first place, in which case you shouldn't have to watch someone strapped to something and murdered in cold blood, which let's not sugar coat it, is exactly what an execution is.


So they can come live with you? (Trolling.)
Or you just want them locked in a box until they die? Happy to pay for that too?

When there is no doubt of the crime and the evil behind it causes the jury to go for the death penalty, then their time in jail should be short and the death quick. (Not botched and allowed to suffer.)
Some people are just no good for a civilized world, proved it, and need to be removed.
I would pull a handle if I had to protect you and I from harm. It's not murder, it's protection.
It's letting people see that there is a price that will be paid for killing others as a deterrent from such irrational behavior.

I'm all for that unless you take out a Senator or H.Rep,
then perhaps life in a minimum security prison might be suitable... if not a pardon depending on who it was and what they did. (Like those who signed and keep the Patriot Act alive, and similar acts of destruction to our Constitution and B.o.R.)

Wouldn't that be a hoot? "The jury has viewed the information and found Senator Asshole has indeed failed to keep the spirit and letter of the laws causing detriment to said laws and found the killing of Senator Asshole to be justified. You may go."
(That would deter them from sucking corporate dick.)
 
2014-05-17 05:56:06 PM  
This problem has already been solved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbAmu3DXk5c

The criteria were painless, foolproof and humane.
 
2014-05-17 06:02:27 PM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection.


It could be because some other folks tried it less than a hundred years ago...some of them even put festive artwork on the outside of the trucks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_van
 
2014-05-17 06:03:12 PM  

orbister: How about you join the rest of the civilised world and stop allowing your government to kill people?


Because some people NEED killing.
 
2014-05-17 06:08:32 PM  
if we're going to change the conversation to whether the death penalty is a good or bad thing, i only believe that whatever we do to dogs, we should do to humans and vice versa. We'll only know how good we are by that measure.

but just about a good way to go, if we're gonna? yeah, it makes no sense to use drugs unless <kickback>
 
2014-05-17 06:11:32 PM  

Stoker: Some people are just no good for a civilized world, proved it, and need to be removed.


Any world which makes that decision is no civilised.

I would pull a handle if I had to protect you and I from harm. It's not murder, it's protection.

If the criminal is in custody, that's all the protection I need, thanks. If s/he's at large, your pulling a handle isn't going to protect me much.

It's letting people see that there is a price that will be paid for killing others as a deterrent from such irrational behavior.

If it is such a good deterrent, why do you need to use it?
 
2014-05-17 06:25:40 PM  

LoneWolf343: Every time someone has tried to convince me that they are a stone cold killer, they turn out to be rather transparent liars.


Does this happen often? How do they usually prove themselves to be liars? I'd wager that besides the laughably obvious ITGs, it's just a matter of you assuming that tough guys can't exist anywhere on the internet. Believe it or not, real badasses do exist, and just like the rest of us they have been known to surf the internet from time to time. Now,  I wouldn't describe myself as a badass, but I've had the requisite combination of good and bad luck to find myself in lethal confrontations but survive through violent means. If the idea that I have killed is unbelievable to you, then I don't really know what to say besides the fact that it kind of supports my point. Death and killing are so foreign and mystical to you that it strains your belief to think that you could actually be speaking to someone who has experience with them. Your reaction is the same as if I said I'd seen Bigfoot.

I'm not saying that dying isn't (usually) bad or that killing shouldn't (usually) be avoided, I'm just saying that the "first world" is sheltered and, lacking any experience with death, makes a bigger deal about it than is warranted.
 
2014-05-17 06:48:07 PM  
www.automizeit.com
 
2014-05-17 06:48:53 PM  

Mugato: SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?

Because we're trying to have a civilization here?


The quality of a civilization is measured by its most corrupt citizen.  Some folks don't have any empathy or sympathy without the fear of what their wrongs can cost them, in pain or financial.  Sometimes, if the justice system doesn't put a head on a pike, the locals will ignore the rules.  Somehow, you think you can change this.

If you ever become a victim of a violent crime, I want you to restate, "Because we're trying to have a civilization here?"
 
2014-05-17 06:51:34 PM  

lack of warmth: f you ever become a victim of a violent crime, I want you to restate, "Because we're trying to have a civilization here?"


So you support executing people in the same manner that thy killed their victims, no matter how farked up? Great so then we'll have two damaged psychos instead of just one.
 
2014-05-17 06:51:42 PM  

DrExplosion: LoneWolf343: Every time someone has tried to convince me that they are a stone cold killer, they turn out to be rather transparent liars.

Does this happen often? How do they usually prove themselves to be liars? I'd wager that besides the laughably obvious ITGs, it's just a matter of you assuming that tough guys can't exist anywhere on the internet. Believe it or not, real badasses do exist, and just like the rest of us they have been known to surf the internet from time to time. Now,  I wouldn't describe myself as a badass, but I've had the requisite combination of good and bad luck to find myself in lethal confrontations but survive through violent means. If the idea that I have killed is unbelievable to you, then I don't really know what to say besides the fact that it kind of supports my point. Death and killing are so foreign and mystical to you that it strains your belief to think that you could actually be speaking to someone who has experience with them. Your reaction is the same as if I said I'd seen Bigfoot.

I'm not saying that dying isn't (usually) bad or that killing shouldn't (usually) be avoided, I'm just saying that the "first world" is sheltered and, lacking any experience with death, makes a bigger deal about it than is warranted.


No, I believe genuine badasses exist. I just also believe that they don't brag about how badass they are, and the ones that do brag about it aren't badasses, especially those who resort to bragging immediately when they are challenged on how full of shiat they are.

I actually work with one of those guys. According to him, he was an explosives expert in the military, a cop, and a prison guard, and could blow a man's head off at 200 yards, but when another guy I work with, a mild, easy-going guy, finally had enough of his shiat and told him to fark off, that "badass" slunk off and didn't say a word for the rest of that day.
 
2014-05-17 06:52:59 PM  

LoneWolf343: and could blow a man's head off at 200 yards


Camper.
 
2014-05-17 06:55:23 PM  

lack of warmth: Mugato: SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?

Because we're trying to have a civilization here?

The quality of a civilization is measured by its most corrupt citizen.  Some folks don't have any empathy or sympathy without the fear of what their wrongs can cost them, in pain or financial.  Sometimes, if the justice system doesn't put a head on a pike, the locals will ignore the rules.  Somehow, you think you can change this.

If you ever become a victim of a violent crime, I want you to restate, "Because we're trying to have a civilization here?"


I was once threatened with a gun when I was just a young boy. I still find your worldview cynical and backwards.
 
2014-05-17 07:15:28 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?


The death penalty is already pretty messed up but I like your "in for a penny, in for a pound" attitude.
 
2014-05-17 07:28:25 PM  

Mugato: profplump: If society believes these people should die, society should see them die, and should have to deal with the consequences.

Unless you never believed in the death penalty in the first place, in which case you shouldn't have to watch someone strapped to something and murdered in cold blood, which let's not sugar coat it, is exactly what an execution is.


Mugato, you're one of my favorite people on the internet, not just FARK, so it pains me to disagree with you. Fortunately, it's a minor disagreement, and something we never need worry about happening. I agree with profplump because if even anti-death penalty advocates are forced to observe, it may harden their resolve to find a way to end this insult to justice.

I remember back in the '70s or '80s, there was an anti-death penalty congressman from Alabama, and he tried to pass a bill requiring lottery tickets to be sold to all executions. The executions were to be held at the University of Alabama football stadium, and attendance would be mandatory for every man, woman or child that "won" the lottery, Executions were to be performed utilizing four tractors with chains tied to each limb of the guest of honor, and facing to the four points of the compass.

I believe that if someone sat through one of those, they might not want to attend another.
 
2014-05-17 07:32:21 PM  
The reforms to speed up capital punishment appeals at the federal level are pretty common sense:

1)  Declare states to be "competent authorities" of the means of execution.  This means no nit-picking by federal judges about how states choose to execute.  It is up to them.

2)  Move death penalty appeals to the head of the appeals court docket.  There shouldn't be years of delay just to be heard by a judge.

3)  Personal opposition to the death penalty merits recusal by judges, instead of dilly-dallying with cases for a decade.

4)  Limit appeals continuances to one month each for the defense, prosecution, and at the discretion of the judge.  Three months delays, total.
 
2014-05-17 07:36:15 PM  
A 30 pound weight and 8 foot tank of water.
 
2014-05-17 07:37:47 PM  
LoneWolf343:  No, I believe genuine badasses exist. I just also believe that they don't brag about how badass they are, and the ones that do brag about it aren't badasses, especially those who resort to bragging immediately when they are challenged on how full of shiat they are.

I actually work with one of those guys. According to him, he was an explosives expert in the military, a cop, and a prison guard, and could blow a man's head off at 200 yards, but when another guy I work with, a mild, easy-going guy, finally had enough of his shiat and told him to fark off, that "badass" slunk off and didn't say a word for the rest of that day.


None of this is unbelievable, actually. I don't know where you work and I haven't met the guy in question, but it is well within reason that someone could say these things and not be full of shiat. Many people go into law enforcement when they leave the military, both of those are places where one would acquire skill with weapons, and depending on the rifle and the optics being used, hitting a stationary head-sized target at 200 yards could be pretty easy and not worth bragging about at all.

Also if your first paragraph was describing me, you might want to re-calibrate yourself a bit.
 
2014-05-17 07:41:11 PM  

DrExplosion: Men have tried and failed to kill me but succeeded at killing my friends, and I've responded by killing them right back. It's dirty and unpleasant, but it isn't magic. I'm alive, they aren't, the world keeps spinning.


Don't you have to be at the gym in 15?
 
2014-05-17 07:46:31 PM  

JuniorII: DrExplosion: Men have tried and failed to kill me but succeeded at killing my friends, and I've responded by killing them right back. It's dirty and unpleasant, but it isn't magic. I'm alive, they aren't, the world keeps spinning.

Don't you have to be at the gym in 15?


That comment was hours ago. I get back from the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2014-05-17 08:53:35 PM  
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Helium is cool though, because when the condemned man says his last words, they come out all high-pitched and comical, adding a little levity to what otherwise is a rather somber event. You gotta think of the kiddies.

To you, sir or madam, one free Internet.
 
2014-05-17 09:41:44 PM  
The first thing I thought after reading the headline:

If a convict is executed in Utah, does the LDS church immediately perform a proxy baptism for that person?
 
2014-05-17 10:14:24 PM  

Mugato: KyDave: The main reason that the State dispenses the punishment is because the crime was so heinous and irreverent of society that the State was indeed a victim of the convicted's actions. Send them to their Final Arbiter, and be done with it. Of course, this is predicated on the State's due diligence to rightly and correctly ascertain guilt - a whole other discussion by itself.

And what about all the people on death row who were found not guilty because of new evidence (and by implication we can assume that some innocents were executed), collateral damage?


Yes, as stated, a whole other discussion which does not invalidate a single word written before your selective edit.
 
2014-05-17 10:34:11 PM  

Abox: I thought Utah still had the firing squad...like they were capital punishment hipsters. My first real awareness of modern execution was a Life magazine article about Gary Gilmore's in Utah.  I remember the pic of the black vinyl chair with the bullet hole in the back.


Only for death row inmates that were convicted before 2006 and pick the option of a firing squad.
 
2014-05-17 11:03:38 PM  
Meh. . .keep it simple.

lead the convicted into a large room (say 20' by 20') with nothing but bars.  Underneath are burners.  Started them slowly and increase the flames every five minutes.  The convicted will involuntarily start dancing like a puppet.  Sooner or later he will succumb to the flames (not the smoke as the room will be well ventilated above).  Keep increasing the temperature even after the convicted has twitched with his/her last spasm so that the body itself is reduced to nothing but ashes.  No body to bury.  Nothing left of said person but their final agonizing screams.

Force it to show on all TV channels.  It MIGHT be a deterrent.

And no I am not sadistic.  Merely practical, pragmatic and efficient.
 
m00
2014-05-17 11:18:03 PM  

K3rmy: Meh. . .keep it simple.

lead the convicted into a large room (say 20' by 20') with nothing but bars.  Underneath are burners.  Started them slowly and increase the flames every five minutes.  The convicted will involuntarily start dancing like a puppet.  Sooner or later he will succumb to the flames (not the smoke as the room will be well ventilated above).  Keep increasing the temperature even after the convicted has twitched with his/her last spasm so that the body itself is reduced to nothing but ashes.  No body to bury.  Nothing left of said person but their final agonizing screams.

Force it to show on all TV channels.  It MIGHT be a deterrent.

And no I am not sadistic.  Merely practical, pragmatic and efficient.


That sounds like a threat. No, wait... that sounds like you're planning a murder. I think a prosecutor should try you for attempted murder, and you should get the death penalty. Subjected to your own device you describe above. Oh, that's not fair because you weren't really planning a murder and you're actually innocent? Well, guess what...
 
2014-05-18 01:01:57 AM  
Go for hanging. Ammo prices are up.
 
2014-05-18 01:24:56 AM  

orbister: SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?

How about you join the rest of the civilised world and stop allowing your government to kill people?


A civilized world rewards good behavior and punishes bad behavior.  If you are unable to exist in society without taking another's life, we will be happy to accommodate that request to be removed from society.  And hopefully you will be a lesson for those considering misbehavior in the future.
 
2014-05-18 01:27:48 AM  

Jument: SCUBA_Archer: How about we put the convicted to death using the same manner that they killed their victims?

The death penalty is already pretty messed up but I like your "in for a penny, in for a pound" attitude.


I was compromising by offering murderers death by their own chosen technique.  What I'd really like to see is for people to be set up in SAW-like torture contraptions.  Give them a (small) sporting chance to escape.  If they fail before time runs out, well justice was served in the end.
 
2014-05-18 01:35:13 AM  
Some of you people have serious issues.
 
2014-05-18 02:19:57 AM  

Mugato: Some of you people have serious issues.


Is it more humane caging people like animals for 50 years in the hopes that they will suddenly change their outlook on life?
 
2014-05-18 02:26:57 AM  

destrip: The first thing I thought after reading the headline:

If a convict is executed in Utah, does the LDS church immediately perform a proxy baptism for that person?


1. The dead have to be dead for at least a year before any ordinances by proxy are performed (including baptism)
2. It would have to be requested by a member who was a direct relative.
3. Many decades ago, there was a ban on baptizing those who had committed murder. In more recent times, this was changed, as it was decided that no one could really tell how mentally disabled a murderer was - in other words, how much a mental illness took away their ability to decide their actions, so it was decided to just leave that up to god and baptize them anyway, if requested by a relative.

But the location of death really doesn't factor into anything.
 
2014-05-18 03:59:02 AM  

K3rmy: Meh. . .keep it simple.

lead the convicted into a large room (say 20' by 20') with nothing but bars.  Underneath are burners.  Started them slowly and increase the flames every five minutes.  The convicted will involuntarily start dancing like a puppet.  Sooner or later he will succumb to the flames (not the smoke as the room will be well ventilated above).  Keep increasing the temperature even after the convicted has twitched with his/her last spasm so that the body itself is reduced to nothing but ashes.  No body to bury.  Nothing left of said person but their final agonizing screams.

Force it to show on all TV channels.  It MIGHT be a deterrent.

And no I am not sadistic.  Merely practical, pragmatic and efficient.


That sounds like a lot of effort. If you want efficiency, skip the theatrics and just bury them. The whole mortal coil thing will sort itself out.

/Not a big fan of the death penalty.
 
2014-05-18 08:00:32 AM  

DrExplosion: JuniorII: DrExplosion: Men have tried and failed to kill me but succeeded at killing my friends, and I've responded by killing them right back. It's dirty and unpleasant, but it isn't magic. I'm alive, they aren't, the world keeps spinning.

Don't you have to be at the gym in 15?

That comment was hours ago. I get back from the gym in 26 minutes.


Yawn. I don't keep up with your every move.

No matter how desperately you try to make your self seem fascinating.
 
2014-05-18 08:22:12 AM  
I'm surprised that any US state ever stopped using hanging / shooting as a form of execution. The other methods are just needlessly complex, expensive, error prone and arguably more cruel / inhuman (whatever that means) than the good old fashioned way.
 
2014-05-18 08:33:56 AM  

drxym: I'm surprised that any US state ever stopped using hanging / shooting as a form of execution. The other methods are just needlessly complex, expensive, error prone and arguably more cruel / inhuman (whatever that means) than the good old fashioned way.


Hanging is very easy to get wrong. Lots of people end up choking to death or having their heads ripped clean off.  Shooters can miss, sometimes on purpose. It's hard to get 6 guys to shoot someone.
 
2014-05-18 10:09:10 AM  

m00: [www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]

/what, are you gay?


"Boola Boola"
 
2014-05-18 11:33:00 AM  

SCUBA_Archer: Mugato: Some of you people have serious issues.

Is it more humane caging people like animals for 50 years in the hopes that they will suddenly change their outlook on life?


Indeed.  Prisons, and operating prisons, and what happens in prisons is something we can pretend isn't happening.  Even though it consists of subjecting people to psychological torture and physical abuse for decades.
 
m00
2014-05-18 12:33:17 PM  

noitsnot: Indeed. Prisons, and operating prisons, and what happens in prisons is something we can pretend isn't happening. Even though it consists of subjecting people to psychological torture and physical abuse for decades.


static.guim.co.uk
/Norwegian prison.

Their crime rate is astoundingly low, so they must be doing something right.
 
2014-05-18 12:40:45 PM  

m00: /Norwegian prison.

Their crime rate is astoundingly low


Well yeah, aren't they mostly white up there?

*runs*
 
m00
2014-05-18 02:40:35 PM  

Mugato: m00: /Norwegian prison.

Their crime rate is astoundingly low

Well yeah, aren't they mostly white up there?

*runs*


My experience is that there is a lot of paternalist-style racism in Norway, and definitely a current of anti-immigration. People blame what little crime that does exist on immigrants. And it's not about being white... Norwegians are racist against Swedes. Swedes are like their Mexicans, no joke. If you get the mildest of tans from laying on a beach all week that transforms your mint green skin to a pasty cream, you might as well be from Africa.

That being said, they have the right idea with prisons.
 
2014-05-18 04:03:44 PM  
If only there were some organization or club, maybe a gang in this country that could do the executions at a competitive price.
In the private sector, you get results.
 
2014-05-18 04:17:58 PM  

m00: noitsnot: Indeed. Prisons, and operating prisons, and what happens in prisons is something we can pretend isn't happening. Even though it consists of subjecting people to psychological torture and physical abuse for decades.

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]
/Norwegian prison.

Their crime rate is astoundingly low, so they must be doing something right.


in fact, if prisons showed inmates the luxuries afforded by hard work (some time in the sun, some swimming holes from time to time) maybe the inmates would find life still appealing enough to try.

we rip everything away from them, then ask them [metaphorically] why they aren't exited about dressing up for life.
 
2014-05-18 05:14:25 PM  

snocone: camarugala: What's wrong with Inert gas asphyxiation? Does it take to long? It is certainly more than painless than the 3 drug protocol used if that's what everyone is worried about.

What is wrong is you are trying to please the delicate sensibilities of Nannys, Nancy Boys and Idiots.
Hard to cover all the bases for that crowd.


Not trying to please anyone jackass. Get your shiat together.
 
m00
2014-05-18 05:39:53 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: in fact, if prisons showed inmates the luxuries afforded by hard work (some time in the sun, some swimming holes from time to time) maybe the inmates would find life still appealing enough to try.

we rip everything away from them, then ask them [metaphorically] why they aren't exited about dressing up for life.


Well you're not going to convince someone who believes "life sucks so bad crime is the only choice" that society is worth participating in... by locking him up in a concrete rape-room for 20 years and treating him worse than an animal at the pound. In Norway the idea is that people who commit crimes do so because they have serious problems, and if you want to reduce recidivism you need to fix the problems. A part of that is treating a prisoner like a human being, because the logic is many criminals never experienced kindness as a youth. Norwegian society also takes a lot of steps to make sure no children are in situations that tend to create criminals.

But that's what happens if you want a peaceful society without crime.

I get the feeling the US wants to absolutely ensure criminals exist and commit crimes. It is essential for our government. As a morality tale, as justification for militarizing the police forces & taking away our freedoms, plus it allows farkers to fantasize and write lengthy porn about torturing criminals... "If I had one minute and a pair of pliers with that guy..."
 
2014-05-18 05:48:50 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: m00: noitsnot: Indeed. Prisons, and operating prisons, and what happens in prisons is something we can pretend isn't happening. Even though it consists of subjecting people to psychological torture and physical abuse for decades.

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]
/Norwegian prison.

Their crime rate is astoundingly low, so they must be doing something right.

in fact, if prisons showed inmates the luxuries afforded by hard work (some time in the sun, some swimming holes from time to time) maybe the inmates would find life still appealing enough to try.

we rip everything away from them, then ask them [metaphorically] why they aren't exited about dressing up for life.



Now that I am older, I have come to understand that many people do not behave rationally.  I had a delusion in my youth that such was the case, and that people would naturally choose the more rational course of action if they were provided with the proper information to make an informed choice.  That sure was some naive bullshiat.

Many, many people are mentally defective and don't make choices the way you want think they should.  In fact, you could say that prisons are where we concentrate together the highest numbers of these people.

There will be some number of prisoners that will respond to rehabilitation, so that should not be taken away.  However, the majority can't and won't.
 
2014-05-18 05:58:26 PM  

m00: sobriquet by any other name: in fact, if prisons showed inmates the luxuries afforded by hard work (some time in the sun, some swimming holes from time to time) maybe the inmates would find life still appealing enough to try.

we rip everything away from them, then ask them [metaphorically] why they aren't exited about dressing up for life.

Well you're not going to convince someone who believes "life sucks so bad crime is the only choice" that society is worth participating in... by locking him up in a concrete rape-room for 20 years and treating him worse than an animal at the pound. In Norway the idea is that people who commit crimes do so because they have serious problems, and if you want to reduce recidivism you need to fix the problems. A part of that is treating a prisoner like a human being, because the logic is many criminals never experienced kindness as a youth. Norwegian society also takes a lot of steps to make sure no children are in situations that tend to create criminals.

But that's what happens if you want a peaceful society without crime.

I get the feeling the US wants to absolutely ensure criminals exist and commit crimes. It is essential for our government. As a morality tale, as justification for militarizing the police forces & taking away our freedoms, plus it allows farkers to fantasize and write lengthy porn about torturing criminals... "If I had one minute and a pair of pliers with that guy..."


Please for the love of god stop talking about Norway.  Maybe you are Norwegian, but even so.  Just stop.  Norway has fewer people than NYC, and it has a giant pile of oil money.  If they want to put Anders Brevik in hotel for 21 years and pretend he'll be "all better" when they let him go, fine.  Let's not pretend that the rest of the countries of the world can do the same thing.
 
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