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(Anchorage Daily News)   In the wake of the botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month, Utah has a suggestion: Bring back the firing squad   (adn.com) divider line 209
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2014-05-17 05:28:03 AM  
 
2014-05-17 06:35:21 AM  
I don't have a problem with this.
 
2014-05-17 06:57:45 AM  
Given the choice, that is how I would want to be executed. Cigarette please, no hood.
 
2014-05-17 08:21:26 AM  
I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).
 
2014-05-17 09:02:18 AM  
Good.  Quit trying to sanitize it.  You're killing a criminal.  Just get it done.
 
2014-05-17 09:02:41 AM  
Great idea.
Quick and cheap.
 
2014-05-17 09:03:28 AM  
I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.
 
2014-05-17 09:05:58 AM  
1 word: Helium
 
2014-05-17 09:07:43 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


There could be an escape rout, too. Maybe an obstacle course of swinging ropes and balance beams surrounded by liquid hot magma.
 
2014-05-17 09:08:50 AM  

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.
 
2014-05-17 09:09:11 AM  

oukewldave: I still don't know why executions aren't public.  They could show it on PPV. I'd watch. They could get creative with it.  Like Gladiators style.  You defeat this lion with a fork, you get to go free.


Personally, I think they need to bring back gladiators. That would be some serious entertainment. Put that NFL player who is on trial for murder, Hernandez? Up against the skinny little Private who leaked everything and is getting a sex change. Put em in the ring. Bundy vs Dalmer? All kinds of awesome match ups if we coordinated.
 
2014-05-17 09:09:52 AM  
I thought Utah still had the firing squad...like they were capital punishment hipsters. My first real awareness of modern execution was a Life magazine article about Gary Gilmore's in Utah.  I remember the pic of the black vinyl chair with the bullet hole in the back.
 
2014-05-17 09:09:57 AM  
If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?
 
2014-05-17 09:10:48 AM  
Having seen men die by being shot I really can't agree. However hanging when done right is pretty quick. Basically a proper hanging is internal decapitation. Unless you shoot some one at the base of the skull, they are going to be around for a bit. As a military man, I would choose firing squad.
 
2014-05-17 09:10:55 AM  
The Canadians tried firing squads, but it didn't work for some reason:

www.neowin.net
 
2014-05-17 09:13:06 AM  

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


Because anyone can kill a person.  The process is what defines the official version, not the outcome.
 
2014-05-17 09:13:44 AM  
Two words: lion cage
 
2014-05-17 09:13:58 AM  
ONE guy says bring back firing squads = Utah wants to bring back firing squads.

That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with the Internet. And our children, having never seen anything different, won't even recognize it when they're adults.
 
2014-05-17 09:14:16 AM  
Why not bad heroin? I'm sure the police have some
 
2014-05-17 09:14:30 AM  

Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).


It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.
 
2014-05-17 09:15:27 AM  
If we're going to do this let's do away with this whole diffusion of guilt bullshiat with the blank. You kill a man you don't get an intellectual out; that wouldn't fly in the real world anyway. The warden stands by with a pistol for the coup de grace if necessary and you put the thing on tv to let the good moral people see what they reap.
 
2014-05-17 09:15:51 AM  
I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.
 
2014-05-17 09:17:10 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


Have you seen any horror movies at all? Everyone knows if you get an organ or body part from an executed man, you become a psycho killer yourself.
 
2014-05-17 09:17:29 AM  
Do they realize how much ammo is these days???
 
2014-05-17 09:18:11 AM  

smunns: Having seen men die by being shot I really can't agree. However hanging when done right is pretty quick. Basically a proper hanging is internal decapitation. Unless you shoot some one at the base of the skull, they are going to be around for a bit. As a military man, I would choose firing squad.


Agreed. Having been shot, I can say there is nothing humane or positive about the experience. As much as I think child rapists should go out in as much pain as possible, it says a lot about a society in how they choose to do it. I do support capital punishment, but in more of a " there's no reason you should be on earth anymore, so we're deleting you" kind of way, not in a bloodthirsty revenge way. Lethal injection should be the way to go. Shame they can't figure out the right chemical mixture now that the old stuff isn't available.
 
2014-05-17 09:19:19 AM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


Also this. That makes a lot of sense, and from what I've read, it's basically like going to sleep and not waking up. Probably a lot cheaper too.
 
2014-05-17 09:19:52 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388804/

In China they have specialty vans they use for exactly that purpose.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death -v an-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html
 
2014-05-17 09:20:45 AM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


Because it's a pleasant way of dying.
 
2014-05-17 09:21:26 AM  

rnatalie: The Canadians tried firing squads, but it didn't work for some reason:

[www.neowin.net image 666x302]


US counterfeit. Doesn't say "Fifty, Eh?"
 
2014-05-17 09:21:58 AM  
Of course he does.

I'm also willing to wager he's Mormon and believes in blood atonement, too.

/he was the holiest man to ever slap iron. He killed for your sins.
 
2014-05-17 09:23:13 AM  

onyxruby: In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.


That's probably a good thing. Giving the State a tangible benefit (other than having fewer rapists/murderers) for killing someone seems like a slippery slope towards making it more common.
 
2014-05-17 09:23:24 AM  
alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

apmobile.images.worldnow.com
 
2014-05-17 09:23:57 AM  
Just another idiot politician with no clue stating an "expert" opinion.
Move along.

There are people who can handle this, he should listen to them, HaHa.
 
2014-05-17 09:24:15 AM  
It should be brutal and public (not PPV, that just attracts the sickos, it should preempt local programming). If we're going to kill people we should be well aware of it. Sanitizing it just absolves us all of really thinking about it.
 
2014-05-17 09:24:43 AM  

onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.


The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.
 
2014-05-17 09:25:44 AM  
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"What would you like on your Tombstone?"
"Sausage and pepperoni!"

(Omg, I'm old enough to remember those commercials)
 
2014-05-17 09:26:02 AM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


That's why you use nitrogen.  And frankly even helium is cheaper than ammo these days, not to mention you have to pay the shooters.
 
2014-05-17 09:26:10 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: I don't know why they don't do this. It's quick, easy and doesn't leave too much of a mess. Lethal injection is too complicated and the electric chair is some medieval shiat (if they used electricity back then).

It also leaves most organs available for harvesting/donation. That can't be said of electrocution or lethal injection.


You're assuming these guys would have organs you'd want.  Years in prison, prison tats, prison sex, and injectable drugs leads to some pretty high tuberculosis, Hep B, Hep C, and HIV rates.    Throw an organ in someone, add a little immunosuppression and wheee!
 
2014-05-17 09:27:00 AM  

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Waste of Helium.

/I also want to outlaw Helium Balloons
 
2014-05-17 09:27:04 AM  

AngryDragon: Good.  Quit trying to sanitize it.  You're killing a criminal.  Just get it done.


They sanitize it to make it look less like murder (which it is) and more like justice (which it isn't). I don't favor the death penalty but no one's asked for my guidance on the subject. If it has to exist, I'm with you.

Quick and dirty and stop trying to make it appear humane.
 
2014-05-17 09:28:57 AM  

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


The eighth ammendment would like a word.
 
2014-05-17 09:29:22 AM  

Rootus: It should be brutal and public (not PPV, that just attracts the sickos, it should preempt local programming). If we're going to kill people we should be well aware of it. Sanitizing it just absolves us all of really thinking about it.


I disagree. The method speaks to the motivations and mindset of the people doing it. A sanitized execution says that the people just want that waste of a human gone. It doesn't have to be barbaric, just a way to delete someone who doesn't deserve to occupy the same planet as the rest of us anymore. Once you start making it more and more brutal, it brings too much emotion into the ordeal and says something bad about the society carrying it out. Granted that could be and is said of a society that engages in capital punishment at all. But my belief is that the line can be drawn at humane painless capital punishment being an effective way to remove people who have given up their right to be here, but without bringing us down to their level of savagery.
 
2014-05-17 09:30:53 AM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: alright, i'll bite.  What is with the jars filled with M&M's and cigarettes??

[apmobile.images.worldnow.com image 360x211]


Pogey bait.

Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium


Good idea! Put 'em in a helium balloon, wait for them to reach high enough that it pops. No need for an executioner!
 
2014-05-17 09:32:39 AM  

PreMortem: StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?

The eighth ammendment would like a word.


If we can take away 2nd amendment rights from criminals, why not 8th amendment rights?

/Kidding.
 
2014-05-17 09:33:45 AM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: onyxruby: I never understood why they don't use carbon monoxide poisoning from an engine. It's known to work from people accidentally asphyxiating themselves in garages or using it for suicide. It's painless and you pass away before you die and as far as I know doesn't have the nasty side effects of electrocution or lethal injection. From what I've heard it's the method of choice that animal shelters use when they have to put down unwanted pets. If you have to execute someone it should be done cleanly.

The problem with that is you have to either (a) release a poisonous gas within the prison facility, or (b) send the prisoner away somewhere meaning he could escape or have protesters along the route, etc. Solution: nitrogen gas asphyxiation.


I'm not familiar with it, could you administer through a gas mask? It's not like a little more nitrogen in their would hurt anyone if it got out.
 
2014-05-17 09:34:55 AM  

StrikitRich: If the inmate died, how was the execution not a success?


Exactly my point. I mean, sure it was some gruesome Green Mile-type stuff but the end result is still the same...
 
2014-05-17 09:35:26 AM  

taurusowner: onyxruby: In the US someone who has been execute can't have their organs donated.

That's probably a good thing. Giving the State a tangible benefit (other than having fewer rapists/murderers) for killing someone seems like a slippery slope towards making it more common.


Your probably right about the slippery slope. A prisoner probably wouldn't have usable organs anyways.
 
2014-05-17 09:36:29 AM  

TheWarp: Scott_Free: 1 word: Helium

Perfectly good helium that could be used for scientific research? Nope.

/12 rounds of 5.56x45 is much cheaper.


Yes, Helium is an extravagant choice.  Pretty much any gas that isn't CO2 will do the job.  You're breathing reflex is triggered by CO2 concentration so with say... N2 you'll just slowly pass out and die.  This really seems like a cheap and foolproof way of doing it.  Not sure why it's never even discussed.  As long as you're going to execute people at least do it right.
 
2014-05-17 09:36:58 AM  
What's wrong with Inert gas asphyxiation? Does it take to long? It is certainly more than painless than the 3 drug protocol used if that's what everyone is worried about.
 
2014-05-17 09:37:08 AM  
Take them to.... Yemen.
 
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