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(The Local)   That house you bought nine years ago for 250,000 euro? Well the Jew who built it in 1939 didn't file the proper paperwork with the German government. So it has to be torn down   (thelocal.de) divider line 116
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2014-05-16 11:54:50 PM  
So, the Jews did this?
 
2014-05-17 12:12:55 AM  
Seriously, they're going to make a big deal about a lack of permits from 1939?  It seems the Germans are code-enforcement... Hmm, what's the word I'm looking for here?
 
2014-05-17 12:17:11 AM  
Permits cost money.
 
2014-05-17 01:00:34 AM  
I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.
 
2014-05-17 01:06:49 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Seriously, they're going to make a big deal about a lack of permits from 1939?  It seems the Germans are code-enforcement... Hmm, what's the word I'm looking for here?


2.bp.blogspot.com
/No idea what word you're looking for.
 
2014-05-17 01:46:35 AM  

TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.


this
talk about a BULLshiat order
seriously, HOW can they prove there were no papers?
it is impossible to prove that the papers didnt get filed and then got lost ....

sheeeeshhhhh
assholes
 
2014-05-17 02:02:55 AM  
This is why lawyers should be involved when you make a major purchase
 
2014-05-17 03:02:17 AM  
She should have just said that the papers were filed, but they would have known she was lying, as per my earlier post.
The permits would have been filed in Cologne, but this is what Cologne looked like a few years later.


ww3.hdnux.com
Damn. I know that paper is here SOMEWHERE, give me a minute while I try to find it.
 
2014-05-17 03:31:58 AM  
Germans will always be Nazis, they're just less violent and bigoted nowadays.
 
2014-05-17 03:32:17 AM  
I am outraged,

My pint of Guiness only holds 13.9 ounces in the can.
 
2014-05-17 03:33:11 AM  
because nazis kept accurate files on jew buildings.
 
2014-05-17 03:34:23 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Seriously, they're going to make a big deal about a lack of permits from 1939?  It seems the Germans are code-enforcement... Hmm, what's the word I'm looking for here?


sticklers?
 
2014-05-17 03:34:48 AM  
I noticed thier comments were closed.

You'd think the fact this wasn't an issue for several sales and transfers since then would stand as precidence. Also, you'd figure there'd be a pre-war historical exemption and/or protection for surviving structures. Hell, most of remaining pre-war Dallas is protected historic districts.
 
2014-05-17 03:38:52 AM  
Anyone that has ever dealt with the German government could tell you stuff like this is par for the course, they have forms for literally everything and are extremely anal about them, on the bright side if you fill out the proper paperwork and get it stamped by the relevant authorities you can probably murder a nun in her sleep and not face charges...
 
2014-05-17 03:42:46 AM  

TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.


It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
 
2014-05-17 03:44:17 AM  
And where was a Jew in 1939 supposed to file the proper paperwork for their house, at the train station to Auschwitz?
 
2014-05-17 03:46:11 AM  
The current owner of the house certainly did not see that coming.
 
2014-05-17 03:52:32 AM  
so why didn't anyone notice this when the previous owner put it up for sale?  or the owner before that?  i'm sure this house was sold several times before so how come nobody discovered this before now?
 
2014-05-17 03:54:33 AM  
There is nothing even the tiniest bit surprising about this to anyone who has any experience whatsoever of German commercial law. German courts will make the most apparently insane and utterly unjust judgments, and the concept of fairness or reasonableness simply has no meaning to them.
 
2014-05-17 03:56:59 AM  

Pribar: Anyone that has ever dealt with the German government could tell you stuff like this is par for the course, they have forms for literally everything and are extremely anal about them, on the bright side if you fill out the proper paperwork and get it stamped by the relevant authorities you can probably murder a nun in her sleep and not face charges...


Did anyone think to check for the paperwork before executing the Nazi war criminals? They might have had the proper paperwork after all... oops!
 
2014-05-17 04:05:42 AM  

Harry_Seldon: The current owner of the house certainly did not see that coming.


I see what you didn't do there.
 
2014-05-17 04:07:14 AM  

spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.


It was built by the widow of a murdered jew. Subby probably just probably made a little logical extension for no damn good reason at all.
 
2014-05-17 04:14:15 AM  

spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================


As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.
 
2014-05-17 04:14:55 AM  

Pribar: Anyone that has ever dealt with the German government could tell you stuff like this is par for the course, they have forms for literally everything and are extremely anal about them, on the bright side if you fill out the proper paperwork and get it stamped by the relevant authorities you can probably murder a nun in her sleep and not face charges...


I am in the process of building a house in Germany and I can understand murderous rampages now. Not saying that I condone them, just that I understand. That story with the house having to be torn down was my "Hey, it could be worse" moment.

And I think there should be a grandfather clause for buildings. If the state doesn't say anything within a year (heck, give it ten as the government isn't fast), it is seen as permitted. Heck, aside from murder, this is the only thing that can have consequences after that long a time.
 
2014-05-17 04:27:12 AM  

TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.


And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.
 
2014-05-17 04:28:14 AM  
I can only guess that someone with a bunch of money, and influence wants that property.

If it meets current building codes, why is there a problem?
I've seen homes that are 150 years old and still (after updates) are up to code but good luck finding the original paperwork.
 
2014-05-17 04:29:51 AM  

TommyymmoT: I can only guess that someone with a bunch of money, and influence wants that property.

If it meets current building codes, why is there a problem?
I've seen homes that are 150 years old and still (after updates) are up to code but good luck finding the original paperwork.


Oh right, that explains your earlier post.
 
2014-05-17 04:38:40 AM  

TommyymmoT: I can only guess that someone with a bunch of money, and influence wants that property.

If it meets current building codes, why is there a problem?
I've seen homes that are 150 years old and still (after updates) are up to code but good luck finding the original paperwork.


No this is germany. All the money in the world would be  no use in the face of german beauracrats
 
2014-05-17 04:43:36 AM  

spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.


It's rare even on Fark to see someone white-knighting Nazis.  I'm hoping you're just being a contrarian troll.

Crappy situation all around.  Not really the local commission's fault as they don't set the rules.
 
2014-05-17 04:48:20 AM  

TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.


I never even considered that.
 
2014-05-17 04:49:21 AM  

spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.


Maybe on paper, but there's plenty of documented incidences of people that were married to Jews not being treated the same as others when it came to lots of things like promotions, etc.
 
2014-05-17 04:50:40 AM  

spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else
.
===============================


Hands down, that is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted here.
Do you seriously think they had an equal rights amendment?
They used to murder pure Arians that weren't on board with their ideology, no less people that were producing children that they considered as little more than vermin.

/just got called in to work on a day off
//will respond in a few hours..
 
2014-05-17 04:56:46 AM  

spawn73: TommyymmoT: I can only guess that someone with a bunch of money, and influence wants that property.

If it meets current building codes, why is there a problem?
I've seen homes that are 150 years old and still (after updates) are up to code but good luck finding the original paperwork.

Oh right, that explains your earlier post.


My earlier post stated why they would have never been issued a permit in the first place.

/gotta run
 
2014-05-17 05:08:16 AM  

cretinbob: This is why lawyers should be involved when you make a major purchase


This! I don't know German real estate law. I would think thou your title company would search for leins permits etc before closing the sale.
 
2014-05-17 05:17:48 AM  

SamuraiNCO: spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.

It's rare even on Fark to see someone white-knighting Nazis.  I'm hoping you're just being a contrarian troll.

Crappy situation all around.  Not really the local commission's fault as they don't set the rules.


WTF?

How is knowing history white knighting Nazis?

I'm telling you a fact, thats relevant to this article.
 
2014-05-17 05:17:48 AM  
Permit Nazis
 
2014-05-17 05:21:44 AM  

Medic Zero: spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.

Maybe on paper, but there's plenty of documented incidences of people that were married to Jews not being treated the same as others when it came to lots of things like promotions, etc.


Yes obviously.

But as regards to owning a house, there wouldn't be a problem.
 
2014-05-17 05:24:59 AM  

TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.
===============================

Hands down, that is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted here.
Do you seriously think they had an equal rights amendment?
They used to murder pure Arians that weren't on board with their ideology, no less people that were producing children that they considered as little more than vermin.

/just got called in to work on a day off
//will respond in a few hours..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

Why yes I do. But don't bother responding, not for my sake anyway.
 
2014-05-17 05:33:33 AM  

TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.
===============================

Hands down, that is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted here.
Do you seriously think they had an equal rights amendment?
They used to murder pure Arians that weren't on board with their ideology, no less people that were producing children that they considered as little more than vermin.

/just got called in to work on a day off
//will respond in a few hours..


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/nurlaws.html

This is a clearer text.

---

I have no clue what you think. And kinda regret answering you after that first moronic "someone with influence and money" post. But anyway, here you have it.

And still, don't bother replying for my sake. I won't be reading it.
 
2014-05-17 05:35:34 AM  

spawn73: SamuraiNCO: spawn73: TommyymmoT: spawn73: TommyymmoT: I thought they were trying to disavow anything the nazi era government did at that time.

Has it ever occurred to them that there's no way in hell that a Jew would ever be granted a building permit in 1939 Nazi Germany?

They were trying to make the Jews disappear, not settle in.

It wasn't build by a Jew, subby didn't understand the article, or thought it would be funny to mention Jews.
============================

As per TFA:

Irmgard Mertins, widow of a Jewish banker murdered by the Nazis, had built the house in 1939, as a place to wait out the war. In the chaos of war she failed to apply for all the right paperwork.

I'm pretty sure they either considered her as a Jew, or at the very least a Jewish sympathizer, and in any case, I'm sure they considered the male as the primary owner, and she simply inherited the money to build it.

And you base that on what?

Nazi-Germany didn't even persecute half-Jews.

An Aryan married to a Jew would have equal rights as everyone else.

It's rare even on Fark to see someone white-knighting Nazis.  I'm hoping you're just being a contrarian troll.

Crappy situation all around.  Not really the local commission's fault as they don't set the rules.

WTF?

How is knowing history white knighting Nazis?

I'm telling you a fact, thats relevant to this article.


Becuz Americuh!
 
2014-05-17 05:36:29 AM  
I'm pretty sure that in both the US and the UK a building that's been up for longer than 50 years has long exceeded the point where legal issues related to its construction are considered enforceable.

Maybe there are different statute-of-limitations type traditions in continental Europe or something?  (I know it's not literally "statute of limitations" since it's a permitting issue and not a felony, but most things follow the same general rules.)

// Also, how the fark do German offices that were all either looted or firebombed by either the Russians or us in the 1940s have any ability to claim that records from the late '30s are lost or not?  Aren't like 90% of the records from that time paper ash that's long returned to the carbon cycle?
 
2014-05-17 05:39:31 AM  

lucksi: I am in the process of building a house in Germany and I can understand murderous rampages now.


It's a good thing you aren't trying to pull permits in Santa Cruz country. That is without knowing the right connections to pay a bribe.

TommyymmoT: I can only guess that someone with a bunch of money, and influence wants that property.


Bingo
 
2014-05-17 06:09:26 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm pretty sure that in both the US and the UK a building that's been up for longer than 50 years has long exceeded the point where legal issues related to its construction are considered enforceable.

Maybe there are different statute-of-limitations type traditions in continental Europe or something?  (I know it's not literally "statute of limitations" since it's a permitting issue and not a felony, but most things follow the same general rules.)

// Also, how the fark do German offices that were all either looted or firebombed by either the Russians or us in the 1940s have any ability to claim that records from the late '30s are lost or not?  Aren't like 90% of the records from that time paper ash that's long returned to the carbon cycle?


In the USA it depends on what your trying to do. If you have living it codes are no big deal. Once you try to rent it or sell it your having to bring it up to date
 
2014-05-17 06:14:46 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm pretty sure that in both the US and the UK a building that's been up for longer than 50 years has long exceeded the point where legal issues related to its construction are considered enforceable.

Maybe there are different statute-of-limitations type traditions in continental Europe or something?  (I know it's not literally "statute of limitations" since it's a permitting issue and not a felony, but most things follow the same general rules.)

// Also, how the fark do German offices that were all either looted or firebombed by either the Russians or us in the 1940s have any ability to claim that records from the late '30s are lost or not?  Aren't like 90% of the records from that time paper ash that's long returned to the carbon cycle?


In the UK it's 10 years. If you build something without planning permission or paperwork you can apply for retroactive permission, or you can try to wait out the 10 years and hope nobody notices/complains in that time. If you make it, you're grandfathered in. There was a famous case a few years back of a farmer who built a large house without paperwork, and kept it hidden behind huge stacks of hay bales for a decade. As soon as the time limit was up the hay stacks came down, but he was sued by the council and his neighbours anyway. The court ruled against him because he had deliberately hidden what he did to take advantage of the ten-year rule.
 
2014-05-17 06:16:51 AM  
"He's not on the list"
"Gentlemen, thank you very much. I think I can guarantee you- you'll both be in Southern Russia before the end of the month. Good day."

img2-3.timeinc.net
 
2014-05-17 07:00:26 AM  
So... She should just jack the current house off its foundation, and set it down on temporary supports. Then she declares the house torn down and applies for a building permit to build where the house was. She gets her permit, and bolts the house back down onto its foundation again. Voila, she gets a "new" house AND kudos for recycling all those building materials from the one she "tore down."

Unless there's a reason they won't issue her a new permit to build a house on her property in that location? Other than the fact that there's already a house in that spot, I mean.
 
2014-05-17 07:05:36 AM  
FTFA: And Bär says the letter of the law must be followed in such cases.

No, no it doesn't. Change the farking law, you goddamn Permit Nazis. You were ACTUAL Nazis when this thing was built and look how that worked out for you.
 
2014-05-17 07:09:42 AM  
"Of course it's not sensible to demolish it completely; no one wants to do that," Bär told The Local.
"But we have to do it, because German building law is very clear on this point. Houses outside of built-up areas with no planning permission have to go."


This isn't even Lawful-Evil', we've jumped the rails and landed on 'Lawful-Stupid'
 
2014-05-17 07:33:55 AM  
If there's one thing Germans do well, it's following rules. The most joyous words in their language (where every phrase sounds like "You're under arrest!") are "Papers please!" and "I am simply following orders."

German: the language of police.
 
2014-05-17 07:40:20 AM  
i.imgur.com

I *think* these people are anti-anti-Nazi, which makes them anti-anti-anti-Semitic.  Or something.
 
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