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(io9)   Star Trek:TNG writers admit they had no idea how they're going to resolve the "Best of Both Worlds" Picard/Locutus cliffhanger episode. Writers of LOST obviously unimpressed   (io9.com) divider line 88
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2014-05-16 08:24:47 PM
121 words is what constitutes and article nowadays? That's including a call to fill the page with content the 'author' failed to supply, and a description of the photo used. Wow.
 
2014-05-16 08:28:52 PM
Weren't there rumors that Patrick Stewart was renegotiating his contract between seasons 3 and 4, and that Best of Both Worlds was a way to kill Picard off if necessary?
 
2014-05-16 08:38:11 PM
In a world where The Consumerist and Opposing Views didn't exist, io9 just might be the most worthless site on the internet. But they do, and so all is good.
 
2014-05-16 08:49:14 PM
shiat, it's not like it would even make the list of the thousand most questionable things done in the Star Trek Universe.

I'm looking at you Braga!
 
2014-05-16 09:12:00 PM
Eh, Lost tied up a lot of shiat in the end.
 
2014-05-16 09:14:11 PM
That isn't even close to new information. I remember reading that somewhere (the TNG companion maybe?) at least a decade ago.
 
2014-05-16 09:14:47 PM

InterruptingQuirk: 121 words is what constitutes and article nowadays?


Actually, that's far too long and wordy, considering that the "article" is just the author thinking of a top ten list and just asking the readers to fill it in.
 
2014-05-16 09:17:39 PM
scifiandtvtalk.typepad.com
"I sense a lot of pain in this thread"
 
2014-05-16 09:22:47 PM
I believe it involved a penny whistle and a tiny lady robe.
 
2014-05-16 09:30:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weren't there rumors that Patrick Stewart was renegotiating his contract between seasons 3 and 4, and that Best of Both Worlds was a way to kill Picard off if necessary?


Yeah, that was all over the internet (yes, there was an internet in 1990. Prodigy, biatches).

Sort of anticlimactic though...PART 1: "Mr Worf, fire". PART 2: "Shiat, it didn't work."
 
2014-05-16 10:23:25 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: [scifiandtvtalk.typepad.com image 320x326]
"I sense a lot of pain in this thread"


worst lack of character of all time
at least until her crack whore of a mother showed up
 
2014-05-16 10:28:28 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: [scifiandtvtalk.typepad.com image 320x326]
"I sense a lot of pain in this thread"


img.fark.net

"He's hiding something."
 
2014-05-16 11:06:39 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: ParallelUniverseParking: [scifiandtvtalk.typepad.com image 320x326]
"I sense a lot of pain in this thread"



"He's hiding something."


"I sense upsettedness."
 
2014-05-16 11:08:46 PM

Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: Weren't there rumors that Patrick Stewart was renegotiating his contract between seasons 3 and 4, and that Best of Both Worlds was a way to kill Picard off if necessary?

Yeah, that was all over the internet (yes, there was an internet in 1990. Prodigy, biatches).

Sort of anticlimactic though...PART 1: "Mr Worf, fire". PART 2: "Shiat, it didn't work."


Except, Part 2 gave us Riker turning into a more badass captain than Kirk, by defeating Borgified Picard using a plan he knew about, no less.
 
2014-05-16 11:29:17 PM
The real reason that they didn't know how they were going to resolve Best of Both Worlds is because the writer, Michael Piller had expected pt 1 to be his final episode (his contract was up) and wasn't sure he wanted to come back so he didn't feel the need to do the heavy lifting for part 2.

This came back to bite him in the ass when he signed a new contract and was told to get to work on part 2. He struggled with the problem for months before he finally found a suitable solution.
 
2014-05-16 11:35:35 PM

InterruptingQuirk: 121 words is what constitutes and article nowadays? That's including a call to fill the page with content the 'author' failed to supply, and a description of the photo used. Wow.


eh, don't blame i09 for this. they do a weekly thread where they ask they pose geek culture question like this and ask their readers to discuss. its like photoshop friday. blame fark for linking to it
 
2014-05-16 11:38:18 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: "I sense a lot of pain in this thread"


Man, did she ever deliver some cringe-worthy performances that have not agreed well at all. Glad she at least toned it down a bit after season 1, but holy crap, are her scenes in "Encounter at Farpoint" physically painful to watch...
 
2014-05-16 11:39:19 PM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ParallelUniverseParking: "I sense a lot of pain in this thread"

Man, did she ever deliver some cringe-worthy performances that have not agreed well at all. Glad she at least toned it down a bit after season 1, but holy crap, are her scenes in "Encounter at Farpoint" physically painful to watch...


*aged well.

FFS, one of these days I'll start using Preview...
 
2014-05-16 11:54:45 PM

ekdikeo4: Eh, Lost tied up a lot of shiat in the end.


With a nice bow made of black licorice studded with bloody semen and shiat.
 
2014-05-16 11:58:18 PM
On the subject of poorly planned cliffhangers, I have to nominate Episode 1 of BSG. how they could try to deliver all of that without an outline written is ludicrous.
 
2014-05-17 12:01:13 AM
Just noticed the cast of TNG will be at Dallas Comic Con this weekend. And Shatner. And the whole cast of Firefly.
 
2014-05-17 12:05:32 AM
Was having this discussion yesterday.  BoBW was the best & worst thing that happened to TNG.

Best: cliffhanger ever.

Worst: resolution to it; in the 1st few secs of the next season.

Also set the precedent for all subsequent TNG seasons to end on cliffhangers & they all sucked (except Worf returning to Klingon Empire. That was bad arse)
 
2014-05-17 12:08:00 AM
Star Trek:TNG writers admit they had no idea how they're going to resolve the "Best of Both Worlds" Picard/Locutus cliffhanger episode.

It should be, "they had no idea how they WERE going to resolve..."
 
2014-05-17 12:10:23 AM

This Looks Fun: On the subject of poorly planned cliffhangers, I have to nominate Episode 1 of BSG. how they could try to deliver all of that without an outline written is ludicrous.


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-17 12:16:13 AM

2chris2: Star Trek:TNG writers admit they had no idea how they're going to resolve the "Best of Both Worlds" Picard/Locutus cliffhanger episode.

It should be, "they had no idea how they WERE going to resolve..."

 
2014-05-17 12:17:35 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Man, did she ever deliver some cringe-worthy performances that have not agreed well at all. Glad she at least toned it down a bit after season 1, but holy crap, are her scenes in "Encounter at Farpoint" physically painful to watch...


I think some of it was the actress, but a lot was just terrible writing.  For the supposedly progressive future, the show's creators seem to believe in an inverse relationship between the amount of skin and the amount of intelligence that a woman can show.
 
2014-05-17 12:23:55 AM
she has bought some tits, but i would like the fist of an angry muslim.

img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-17 12:34:28 AM
At least they didn't do their normal lazy "recovered a copy from the transporter pattern buffer" techno-babble.
 
2014-05-17 12:40:41 AM

theflatline: she has bought some tits, but i would like the fist of an angry muslim.

[img1.wikia.nocookie.net image 600x800]


I think she always had those
 
2014-05-17 12:43:42 AM
I mean, god damn, how hard is to create some bullshiat way to undo Borg assimilation in the Star Trek Universe? The Borg have fought the Federation through what 25+ battles and won nothing but minor feints here and there even though the Borg are favored to win every single time?!

That article is shiat.
 
2014-05-17 12:55:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Weren't there rumors that Patrick Stewart was renegotiating his contract between seasons 3 and 4, and that Best of Both Worlds was a way to kill Picard off if necessary?


Patrick Stewart's contract was actually for six years like the rest of the main cast. The rumor that Stewart might be out, along with Jonathan Frakes and Elizabeth Dennehy's strong performances, made the idea of a permanent cast change plausible enough to entertain the idea that Picard could really be killed off.
 
2014-05-17 01:01:01 AM

rocinante721: Worst: resolution to it; in the 1st few secs of the next season.


I really liked the followup episode to BoBW, "Family". Picard takes some time off and has a complete nervous breakdown. I liked the fact that a mostly episodic TV series tried to have some continuity to it, that things wouldn't be just forgotten by next episode, and that such an ordeal would have give the captain some serious PTSD (and maybe some of the crew). And that stayed with him for the rest of the show and even into the movies. That was good Trek should have had more of that.

But then they farked it all up with Voyager.
 
2014-05-17 01:03:47 AM

InterruptingQuirk: 121 words is what constitutes and article nowadays? That's including a call to fill the page with content the 'author' failed to supply, and a description of the photo used. Wow.


It wasn't an article, it was a discussion topic in a blatant click grab effort.
 
2014-05-17 01:12:18 AM

Ishkur: rocinante721: Worst: resolution to it; in the 1st few secs of the next season.

I really liked the followup episode to BoBW, "Family". Picard takes some time off and has a complete nervous breakdown. I liked the fact that a mostly episodic TV series tried to have some continuity to it, that things wouldn't be just forgotten by next episode, and that such an ordeal would have give the captain some serious PTSD (and maybe some of the crew). And that stayed with him for the rest of the show and even into the movies. That was good Trek should have had more of that.

But then they farked it all up with Voyager.


Ronald D. Moore must have been in a bad mood when he had Picard's brother and nephew from "Family" - which he wrote - DIAF in Generations. I don't know if it was a fark up or a fark you.
 
2014-05-17 01:25:01 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ParallelUniverseParking: "I sense a lot of pain in this thread"

Man, did she ever deliver some cringe-worthy performances that have not agreed well at all. Glad she at least toned it down a bit after season 1, but holy crap, are her scenes in "Encounter at Farpoint" physically painful to watch...

*aged well.

FFS, one of these days I'll start using Preview...


No you won't.

Great, now I want to watch Best of Both Worlds again.
 
2014-05-17 01:42:42 AM
Just like when Harry had to use the Force against his father, Gargamel, and lost his arm to that Wookie. But then they sewed it back on in the next episode.
 
2014-05-17 02:07:15 AM
Is this seriously an article that is 3 paragraphs long and asks people to do the work for the "author"?
 
2014-05-17 02:08:42 AM
How they're going to?

Does that mean we're going to see some new episodes? Or are we just dealing with illiterates?
 
2014-05-17 02:21:00 AM
The original monolithic version of the Borg was the most menacing, but part of me wishes they'd explore some of the more peaceful iterations that occasionally popped up, instead of having a giant wankfest over the queen (though that could have been handled alright, if they treated her how hives actually tend to treat their queens.)

A more peaceful Borg collective, at least on its face, could be a far more pernicious force in the Star Trek Universe -- openly recruiting from the downtrodden and desperate. "Rescuing" craft and "saving" crew members through Borg tech. From there, you could always reactivate the more aggressive version of the collective, but if they had started playing nice for a time, could the Federation have maintained any defense?
 
2014-05-17 02:55:10 AM
Like a lot of Roddenberry's ideas, Troi looked good on paper, but was pretty poorly implemented. I actually rather liked the idea of having  a sort of diplomatic advisor to help with first contact situations, and to help defuse potentially sticky situations.

Nem Wan:Ronald D. Moore must have been in a bad mood when he had Picard's brother and nephew from "Family" - which he wrote - DIAF in Generations. I don't know if it was a fark up or a fark you.


Yeah, that pissed me the hell off. I mean damn, isn't anyone is Star Trek allowed to have a goddamn family?
 
2014-05-17 03:14:32 AM
Season 1 was horrible for the cast to make and the viewers to watch. Not sure if it was urban legend, but the cast actually came to nearly going on strike to get rid of those god-awful spandex uniforms (which were really uncomfortable to wear plus the fact that you can never really wash human sweat out of spandex, so the outfits became smellier and smellier each time they were used). I bet the collectors who managed to buy any S1 uniforms at auction soon regretted their decision as soon as they opened the box.

Sad to say, if Roddenberry didn't start having failing health by Season 2 (and thus had to let other producers in to do the heavy lifting), TNG would have very likely been cancelled.
 
2014-05-17 03:19:11 AM

Jensaarai: The original monolithic version of the Borg was the most menacing, but part of me wishes they'd explore some of the more peaceful iterations that occasionally popped up, instead of having a giant wankfest over the queen (though that could have been handled alright, if they treated her how hives actually tend to treat their queens.)

A more peaceful Borg collective, at least on its face, could be a far more pernicious force in the Star Trek Universe -- openly recruiting from the downtrodden and desperate. "Rescuing" craft and "saving" crew members through Borg tech. From there, you could always reactivate the more aggressive version of the collective, but if they had started playing nice for a time, could the Federation have maintained any defense?


Want to know how bad Roddenberry was as a producer? He wanted the Ferengi to be THE new bad guys of TNG since the Klingons were now non-hostile. He was totally against the Borg concept and was pissed at the idea of these "robot men" (his works) coming in and spoiling HIS show.
 
2014-05-17 03:20:17 AM
Correction: "his words"
 
2014-05-17 03:21:53 AM

Jensaarai: The original monolithic version of the Borg was the most menacing, but part of me wishes they'd explore some of the more peaceful iterations that occasionally popped up, instead of having a giant wankfest over the queen (though that could have been handled alright, if they treated her how hives actually tend to treat their queens.)

A more peaceful Borg collective, at least on its face, could be a far more pernicious force in the Star Trek Universe -- openly recruiting from the downtrodden and desperate. "Rescuing" craft and "saving" crew members through Borg tech. From there, you could always reactivate the more aggressive version of the collective, but if they had started playing nice for a time, could the Federation have maintained any defense?


There have been a whole series of books set in the Trek universe that have explored those issues. I was convinced by a Farker to give them a shot and I have enjoyed quite a few.

There is one series that follows Picard. Riker gets his own ship and another series follows him. Ezri Dax ends up captaining a ship with a prototype transwarp drive, and she gets her own books. Another batch follows Ro Laren when she takes over DS9.

Some of them cover the ultimate showdown with the Borg vs the Alpha Quadrant.

Of course, they can't all be masterpieces, but there are some good reads and nifty new characters in there.
 
2014-05-17 03:54:44 AM
Sherlock season 2 finale:  No idea how we're getting out of this one.  Let's just role with that.

Sherlock season 3 finale:  Remember that season 2 finale?  Forget the whole thing.
 
2014-05-17 04:14:13 AM
THERE WERE 4 RE-WRITES!!!!
 
2014-05-17 04:21:27 AM
Poor Troi.  What a character.   I think her early contributions could be summed up:

Picard: "Counselor, what are the aliens feeling at the moment."
<cam shakes, red alert triggers>
Worf:  "Captain!  We're under attack!"
Troi: "I sense....aggression Captain."
Picard: <dryly> "Thank you that will be all councilor."


Explaining ST:TNG to people unfamiliar:  "Seriously--the therapist had a seat on the bridge.   Really.  Stop laughing."
 
2014-05-17 05:13:02 AM

theflatline: she has bought some tits, but i would like the fist of an angry muslim.


Why would you like the fist of an angry Muslim?
 
2014-05-17 05:44:41 AM

like the fisting of an angry god: theflatline: she has bought some tits, but i would like the fist of an angry muslim.

Why would you like the fist of an angry Muslim?


I thought he said he'd like to be fisted by an angry Muslim.
 
2014-05-17 06:12:27 AM

Rhypskallion: Poor Troi.  What a character.   I think her early contributions could be summed up:

Picard: "Counselor, what are the aliens feeling at the moment."
<cam shakes, red alert triggers>
Worf:  "Captain!  We're under attack!"
Troi: "I sense....aggression Captain."
Picard: <dryly> "Thank you that will be all councilor."


Explaining ST:TNG to people unfamiliar:  "Seriously--the therapist had a seat on the bridge.   Really.  Stop laughing."


Picard needed a nice rack around to help him concentrate.
 
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