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(Salon)   Indiana Governor Mike Pense: Obamacare is bad. That's why we're accepting the Schmobamacare Schmedicaid schmexpansion instead. There - are you happy, conservatives?   (salon.com) divider line 64
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2014-05-16 04:06:01 PM
the schadenfreude is delicious.
 
2014-05-16 05:52:31 PM
I live in Indiana, my ex girlfriend is on HIP and a friend couldn't get insurance aid because he made more than the ~$5200 maximum threshold (guessing he makes $10k a year). Both slammed Obama for their situation, but when I told them their woes were because of the dickhead GOP governor refusing obamacare they wouldn't accept it.
 
2014-05-16 08:23:33 PM
Shmlantha! Shlonathon!
 
2014-05-16 08:24:12 PM
I wonder if this is actual compassion, or just scared that the state will turn to a shade of purple.
 
2014-05-16 08:26:14 PM

Fantasta Potamus: I wonder if this is actual compassion, or just scared that the state will turn to a shade of purple.


A little of this and hedging his bets just in case the retards that voted for him ever catch on.
 
2014-05-16 08:27:51 PM

Fantasta Potamus: I wonder if this is actual compassion, or just scared that the state will turn to a shade of purple.


Its not like the media there would press him much.

Never saw the media kissup to the governor so much like the media in Indianapolis does.
 
2014-05-16 08:28:13 PM
But does it cover you if you need a shma-shmortion?  From the shma-shmortion clinic?
 
2014-05-16 08:39:26 PM
At the very least it's HAPPENING. Political ramifications aside, expanding Medicaid helps hundreds of thousands of people, so I'm glad they're giving in and doing it whyever they're doing it.
 
2014-05-16 08:40:39 PM
Hell. Yes.

/Indiana resident
 
2014-05-16 08:41:16 PM
I don't much like the sound of these boncentration bamps schmeath schmanels...
 
2014-05-16 08:42:06 PM
"are you happy, conservatives"

They're not happy unless they're not happy.
 
2014-05-16 08:43:04 PM

Fantasta Potamus: I wonder if this is actual compassion, or just scared that the state will turn to a shade of purple.


Thread over ;)
 
2014-05-16 08:43:29 PM
I am happy Indianians will now have expanded Mediciad. Just because Republicans act like idiots and/or let people suffer over politics doesn't mean I don't want them to enjoy the pursuit of happiness.

Remember what Winston Churchill said of us during WWII, that Americans will do the right thing - after trying everything else.
 
2014-05-16 08:48:48 PM
But what about Schmengazi!!
 
2014-05-16 08:51:29 PM

nijika: But what about Schmengazi!!


TKO, thread over.
 
2014-05-16 09:00:43 PM
Alright, so can someone explain how this helps those in Indiana who don't need/qualify for Medicaid?  Doesn't the expansion also require states to create their own exchanges, so we'll be something like Kentucky on Kynect (instead of healthcare.gov)?  My wife and I both are tied to employer-provided insurance, but it would be very nice to not need to be.
 
2014-05-16 09:01:25 PM

Yakk: nijika: But what about Schmengazi!!

TKO, thread over.


Schmarrel schmissa resurrect the thread for another investigation into Schmenghazi
 
2014-05-16 09:03:10 PM
The expansion does NOT require that states develop their own exchanges.
 
2014-05-16 09:06:59 PM
I'm convinced politics consists of 99% trolling.

/other 1% is projection
 
2014-05-16 09:08:12 PM

Frozboz: Alright, so can someone explain how this helps those in Indiana who don't need/qualify for Medicaid?  Doesn't the expansion also require states to create their own exchanges, so we'll be something like Kentucky on Kynect (instead of healthcare.gov)?  My wife and I both are tied to employer-provided insurance, but it would be very nice to not need to be.




Doesn't really effect you at all.
 
2014-05-16 09:09:14 PM

Frozboz: Alright, so can someone explain how this helps those in Indiana who don't need/qualify for Medicaid?  Doesn't the expansion also require states to create their own exchanges, so we'll be something like Kentucky on Kynect (instead of healthcare.gov)?  My wife and I both are tied to employer-provided insurance, but it would be very nice to not need to be.


No. States don't have to set up an exchange in order to get the medicaid expansion. See arizona.
 
2014-05-16 09:12:39 PM

kidgenius: Frozboz: Alright, so can someone explain how this helps those in Indiana who don't need/qualify for Medicaid?  Doesn't the expansion also require states to create their own exchanges, so we'll be something like Kentucky on Kynect (instead of healthcare.gov)?  My wife and I both are tied to employer-provided insurance, but it would be very nice to not need to be.

No. States don't have to set up an exchange in order to get the medicaid expansion. See arizona.


Bummer, thanks.  I thought that was a requirement.
 
2014-05-16 09:14:35 PM
The ACA plan I'm on would be $120/month cheaper in Tennessee than Indiana... and Tennessee is itself in the bottom fifth of ACA implementations.
 
2014-05-16 09:16:12 PM
You know I really didn't think Indiana could have a worse governor than Mitch McDaniels... then we elected this jackass Pence.
 
2014-05-16 09:18:38 PM
I see the Mourdock loss made an impression. Good.
 
2014-05-16 09:25:04 PM

Lanadapter: I'm convinced politics consists of 99% trolling.

/other 1% is projection


What's the difference?
 
2014-05-16 09:26:20 PM

Rhaab: I don't much like the sound of these boncentration bamps schmeath schmanels...


Hassenpfeffer Incorporated.
 
2014-05-16 09:28:48 PM

AirForceVet: I am happy Indianians will now have expanded Mediciad. Just because Republicans act like idiots and/or let people suffer over politics doesn't mean I don't want them to enjoy the pursuit of happiness.


Hoosiers!
 
2014-05-16 09:31:20 PM
 
2014-05-16 09:31:45 PM
Just change the name to something with "Liberty" or "Freedom" in it. That should shut the damn Conservatives up.
 
2014-05-16 09:31:50 PM
I understand why most people hate ObamaCare, what with the Kenyan Muslim Death Panels and Mandatory Homosexual Abortions and all that other stuff you would expect when the President is near.

But you'd imagine that real Americans in Real America would push harder to implement the Affordable Care Act. The ACA is one of those awesome Republican plans from the nineties designed to piss off Libby Libby Libs like Hillary Clinton, so I'm sure that Obama hates it.
 
2014-05-16 09:35:14 PM
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2014-05-16 09:36:03 PM

yeegrek: "are you happy, conservatives"

They're not happy unless they're not happy.


Truth. I've never seen such a bunch of persecuted whiny titty-babies before. All they do is biatch.
 
2014-05-16 09:36:07 PM
Way to go Pence, the rest of your retarded GOP brethren could learn a thing or two.  ObamaCare was *designed* to implemented at the state level.  farking use it.
 
2014-05-16 09:54:32 PM

PreMortem: I live in Indiana, my ex girlfriend is on HIP and a friend couldn't get insurance aid because he made more than the ~$5200 maximum threshold (guessing he makes $10k a year). Both slammed Obama for their situation, but when I told them their woes were because of the dickhead GOP governor refusing obamacare they wouldn't accept it.


The Republican approach to their situation would be to ask why they're so poor, and tell them if they don't like it they should stop being lazy and make more money.
 
2014-05-16 09:56:14 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Conservatives' awful new Medicaid ploy: The Obamacare "private option"
GOP pols quietly changing Medicaid expansion to system of various right-wing schemes. Here's why lives are at stake


From that link:

In other words, between privatization, co-pays, cutbacks in important benefits, and these silly "wellness" programs, the private option somehow manages to combine the worst aspects of "liberal" public health paternalism, neoliberal healthcare consumerism, and conservative anti-welfarism. What's not to like?

Lovely.
 
2014-05-16 09:57:24 PM

Xcott: But does it cover you if you need a shma-shmortion?  From the shma-shmortion clinic?


The link in TFA says it covers schmamily schmlanning.
 
2014-05-16 10:02:47 PM

fusillade762: Lovely.


The world can still depress me when I think about how many evil farkers are out there with no other thought in their mind when they wake up every morning than how can they fark people over.
 
2014-05-16 10:10:49 PM
First you give them the heroin for free for awhile.
 
2014-05-16 10:14:14 PM

cchris_39: First you give them the heroin for free for awhile.


In Indiana, it'd be meth.
 
2014-05-16 10:20:03 PM

DemonEater: PreMortem: I live in Indiana, my ex girlfriend is on HIP and a friend couldn't get insurance aid because he made more than the ~$5200 maximum threshold (guessing he makes $10k a year). Both slammed Obama for their situation, but when I told them their woes were because of the dickhead GOP governor refusing obamacare they wouldn't accept it.

The Republican approach to their situation would be to ask why they're so poor, and tell them if they don't like it they should stop being lazy and make more money.


Indiana is even more f`d up. They wouldn't accept common core and its federal funds, but passed the same standards for the state. I'd say "figure that one out" but it's self explanatory.

Pence will be the GOP contender in 2016.
 
2014-05-16 10:24:48 PM

yeegrek: They're not happy unless they're not happy.


You seem to forget 2003-2005, apparently.
 
2014-05-16 10:28:46 PM

Frozboz: Alright, so can someone explain how this helps those in Indiana who don't need/qualify for Medicaid?  Doesn't the expansion also require states to create their own exchanges, so we'll be something like Kentucky on Kynect (instead of healthcare.gov)?  My wife and I both are tied to employer-provided insurance, but it would be very nice to not need to be.


It will help many hospitals remain solvent, create jobs, and give the state a healthier population overall.
Not to mention save tens of thousands of lives.
 
2014-05-16 10:29:24 PM

PreMortem: DemonEater: PreMortem: I live in Indiana, my ex girlfriend is on HIP and a friend couldn't get insurance aid because he made more than the ~$5200 maximum threshold (guessing he makes $10k a year). Both slammed Obama for their situation, but when I told them their woes were because of the dickhead GOP governor refusing obamacare they wouldn't accept it.

The Republican approach to their situation would be to ask why they're so poor, and tell them if they don't like it they should stop being lazy and make more money.

Indiana is even more f`d up. They wouldn't accept common core and its federal funds, but passed the same standards for the state. I'd say "figure that one out" but it's self explanatory.

Pence will be the GOP contender in 2016.


This scares me. A lot.

He is a dominionist true believer, but his handlers aren't stupid. Unlink Murdoch, Pence keeps his mouth shut for the most part, so most people aren't aware.
 
2014-05-16 10:34:57 PM

GardenWeasel: PreMortem: DemonEater: PreMortem: I live in Indiana, my ex girlfriend is on HIP and a friend couldn't get insurance aid because he made more than the ~$5200 maximum threshold (guessing he makes $10k a year). Both slammed Obama for their situation, but when I told them their woes were because of the dickhead GOP governor refusing obamacare they wouldn't accept it.

The Republican approach to their situation would be to ask why they're so poor, and tell them if they don't like it they should stop being lazy and make more money.

Indiana is even more f`d up. They wouldn't accept common core and its federal funds, but passed the same standards for the state. I'd say "figure that one out" but it's self explanatory.

Pence will be the GOP contender in 2016.

This scares me. A lot.

He is a dominionist true believer, but his handlers aren't stupid. Unlink Murdoch, Pence keeps his mouth shut for the most part, so most people aren't aware.


Yup. He is scary as hell. Santorum with a good haircut.
 
2014-05-16 10:48:52 PM

cchris_39: First you give them the heroin for free for awhile.


Because heroin and affordable health care are exactly comparable.

I know, I know. I shouldn't respond to a dumb idiot.
 
2014-05-16 10:50:28 PM
Yeah, this isn't your father's Medicaid.

Indiana isn't using traditional Medicaid. Instead they're trying to expand an alternative health program called Healthy Indiana.

Healthy Indiana relies more on conservative health-care ideas, like using deductibles and co-pays to make individuals more careful shoppers for health care.

Healthy Indiana will have to get a bit more generous to comply with Obamacare's Medicaid expansion. But it'll still require more cost-sharing from beneficiaries than traditional Medicaid.

Indiana still needs to get approval for this plan from the Obama administration. Pence says he expects to formally submit the request for a waiver in June.


More at Vox
 
2014-05-16 11:50:29 PM

GardenWeasel: PreMortem: DemonEater: PreMortem: I live in Indiana, my ex girlfriend is on HIP and a friend couldn't get insurance aid because he made more than the ~$5200 maximum threshold (guessing he makes $10k a year). Both slammed Obama for their situation, but when I told them their woes were because of the dickhead GOP governor refusing obamacare they wouldn't accept it.

The Republican approach to their situation would be to ask why they're so poor, and tell them if they don't like it they should stop being lazy and make more money.

Indiana is even more f`d up. They wouldn't accept common core and its federal funds, but passed the same standards for the state. I'd say "figure that one out" but it's self explanatory.

Pence will be the GOP contender in 2016.

This scares me. A lot.

He is a dominionist true believer, but his handlers aren't stupid. Unlink Murdoch, Pence keeps his mouth shut for the most part, so most people aren't aware.


Yes he is. Back at college, 30+ years ago, he was quite open that A. His greatest ambition was to be president, and B. he was an intolerant  fundie nutjob. He believed that Earth was the center of the universe because Jesus was born here, he didn't think evolution was real, and he wrote his senior thesis on the topic of Lincoln recast as an evangelical Christian.
 
2014-05-17 12:07:16 AM

fusillade762: Xcott: But does it cover you if you need a shma-shmortion?  From the shma-shmortion clinic?

The link in TFA says it covers schmamily schmlanning.


Schmores need what, now?
 
2014-05-17 12:35:04 AM
Pense?

Subby what were you thinking?
 
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