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(Washington Post)   More evidence emerges that, regarding the creation of the universe and so-called "Big Bang," scientists actually have no idea what they're talking about. Hey, but keep on mocking the creationists, smart guys   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 185
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2014-05-16 03:55:19 PM  
No need to mock the stupid. They open their mouths and mock themselves.
 
2014-05-16 03:59:37 PM  
Oh, I will.
 
2014-05-16 04:03:05 PM  
the funny thing is, when scientists are wrong, they generally admit it and try to figure out where they made their mistakes. ever see a creationist do that?

yeah, i thought not.
 
2014-05-16 04:04:13 PM  

alaric3: No need to mock the stupid. They open their mouths and mock themselves.


Or type their headlines.
 
2014-05-16 04:09:12 PM  
Good. Question everything. If it stands up to the scrutiny, then it works. If it doesn't, then back to the drawing board.

I would rather question everything than question nothing and progress nowhere.
 
2014-05-16 04:10:54 PM  
so basically an inability to solve, say, hadamard's conjecture means that 2+2=potato.

got it.
 
2014-05-16 04:13:36 PM  
This thing may have worked slightly differently than we previously believed based on some new evidence... Therefore Jesus!
 
2014-05-16 04:14:41 PM  

FlashHarry: the funny thing is, when scientists are wrong, they generally admit it and try to figure out where they made their mistakes. ever see a creationist do that?

yeah, i thought not.


That's because we have never had to change a science because religion proved it wrong.

Never.
 
2014-05-16 04:16:16 PM  

FlashHarry: the funny thing is, when scientists are wrong, they generally admit it and try to figure out where they made their mistakes. ever see a creationist do that?


Well, it's possible that the most simple and therefore likely explanation is that they *would* admit mistakes, but they haven't made any. Conversely, scientists have made many mistakes, because they're always admitting them. So whom should we trust?

Think about it this way: You're a Job Creator with two employees. One is constantly making mistakes and promising to do better. Then he makes more mistakes. The other keeps delivering the same, reliable, error-free performance. Whom do you keep?

Study it out.
 
2014-05-16 04:17:00 PM  

FlashHarry: so basically an inability to solve, say, hadamard's conjecture means that 2+2=potato.


Reading that made my brain potato.
 
2014-05-16 04:19:56 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: so basically an inability to solve, say, hadamard's conjecture means that 2+2=potato.

Reading that made my brain potato.


Now I want a potato ...
 
2014-05-16 04:24:04 PM  

Pocket Ninja: FlashHarry: the funny thing is, when scientists are wrong, they generally admit it and try to figure out where they made their mistakes. ever see a creationist do that?

Well, it's possible that the most simple and therefore likely explanation is that they *would* admit mistakes, but they haven't made any. Conversely, scientists have made many mistakes, because they're always admitting them. So whom should we trust?

Think about it this way: You're a Job Creator with two employees. One is constantly making mistakes and promising to do better. Then he makes more mistakes. The other keeps delivering the same, reliable, error-free performance. Whom do you keep?

Study it out.


I fire them both because Obama.
 
2014-05-16 04:24:25 PM  
I'm still going to make fun of creationists, because they are wrong.
 
2014-05-16 04:30:25 PM  
Funny how creationists only question science.
 
2014-05-16 04:36:44 PM  
Why would a creationist believe in this any more than any other science mumbo jumbo?
 
2014-05-16 04:43:24 PM  

FlashHarry: so basically an inability to solve, say, hadamard's conjecture means that 2+2=potato.

got it.


Dammit Harry.  You said there would be no math.
 
2014-05-16 04:56:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Funny how creationists only question science.


And that whole water into wine thing.

/it wasn't grape juice
 
2014-05-16 04:56:37 PM  
Don't mind if I do, thanks.

HawgWild: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: so basically an inability to solve, say, hadamard's conjecture means that 2+2=potato.

Reading that made my brain potato.

Now I want a potato ...


Dammit, I'm low carb and I haven't had a potato in a month.  Now I want a potato too.  :(
 
2014-05-16 04:59:18 PM  
People are awfully confused about being wrong and being challenged. Every time a major discovery comes out it receives scrutiny and reproduction of results. But shine on you crazy diamonds.
 
2014-05-16 05:00:38 PM  
As opposed to the ten million different interpretations of the Bible? Rock foundation, that.
 
2014-05-16 05:01:51 PM  
www.city-data.com
 
2014-05-16 05:02:49 PM  
This is probably why it's called the Big Bang theory.
 
2014-05-16 05:02:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Funny how creationists only question science.


There is a difference between asking skeptical questions about a claim to ascertain its veracity, and asking disingenuous questions about a claim because you don't like how it is at odds with your preconceptions.

Which do Creationists do?
 
2014-05-16 05:03:18 PM  

fusillade762: [www.city-data.com image 799x570]


this also works for conservatism in general. see also: trickle-down economics, the iraq war, climate change, etc.
 
2014-05-16 05:03:49 PM  
If the human organism was intelligently designed then the creator of said organism must have been a sadist.
 
2014-05-16 05:04:34 PM  
FlashHarry: "ever see a creationist do that?"

Admit a mistake? ... now that you mention it, no.

Even when the latest bullshiat justification they conjured to support their preconceived belief is exposed as so much nonsense, they never actually say "Ok, well I'm wrong about the banana thing".
They just shout their conclusion even louder, until they find a new justification to ground their faith in facts.

At best they might claim their bullshiat justification was just a joke -- admitting the failure of the claim, but only by disavowing ever having believed it.
 
2014-05-16 05:05:17 PM  
www.godofevolution.com
 
2014-05-16 05:05:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Think about it this way: You're a Job Creator with two employees. One is constantly making mistakes and promising to do better. Then he makes more mistakes. The other keeps delivering the same, reliable, error-free performance. Whom do you keep?


Perhaps not the best analogy.  Consider an alternative:

Employee A is constantly making mistakes.  He admits it, and tries to do better, but still continues making mistakes.  He even calls his own mistakes.  But despite his tendency to make mistakes, he checks and double-checks his work before he puts the product into the package for shipping.

Employee B admits to no mistakes whatsoever.  This employee has such ultimate faith in his work, that he doesn't even bother to do quality control- he just packs it up and ships it out.

Faulty packages are sometimes returned that were packed by Employee A; he tries to learn from the specific mistake to avoid repeating it.  Sometimes entire shipments are returned which were packed by Employee B.
Employee B always has a litany of excuses and rationalizations about the bad packages.

Which employee do you keep?
 
2014-05-16 05:06:06 PM  
Great Headline. I especially appreciate how the "so called 'Big Bang' scientists" the headline mentions "...acknowledges that there are lingering uncertainties that will remain until new data is presented, likely this fall, by the European Space Agency's Planck Space Telescope."

It's almost as if the so called "Big Bang" scientists understand that a single discovery or claim of findings does not equal absolute truth. Even stranger, it seems as if they welcome both the scrutiny and conjecture of their fellow scientists and have no problems with their findings being challenged, reviewed and tested.

Stupid highly educated scientists will never be able to know what absolute certainty in the face of logic feels like. They are empty and hollow, and all their degrees and doctorates will never fill that emptiness; a void greater than all the cosmos.
 
2014-05-16 05:06:29 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Marcus Aurelius: Funny how creationists only question science.

And that whole water into wine thing.

/it wasn't grape juice


Simpler explanation than "MAGIX!"? Jesus was a Jewish revolutionary rabbi who smuggled Roman wine into Jewish water barrels, and brought those into the wedding.
Whenever asked, just say magic made it happen.

Also- this doesn't refute the "Big Bang".

FTA: "What inflation does is pull apart the fabric of space-time much faster than the speed of light,"

So, in fact, an even bigger bang than the "Big Bang".

And that it erases the idea that you cannot travel faster than light, ever. It provides that if you are able to enter an inter-dimensional slip stream, you can, in fact, travel warp speed.

Take that, Mr. Primmer.
(5th grade science teacher who enjoyed destroying dreams and scientific wonder of 10 year olds, regularly)
 
2014-05-16 05:06:39 PM  
My understanding of the Big Bang was that the data always spikes off into infinity as time approaches zero. But, I'm not a rocket surgeon.

/ also, Shelly Cooper is a smelly pooper
 
2014-05-16 05:06:47 PM  
Subby's headline has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the actual content of the article.
 
2014-05-16 05:08:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Good. Question everything. If it stands up to the scrutiny, then it works. If it doesn't, then back to the drawing board.

I would rather question everything than question nothing and progress nowhere.


Exactly - and that's what happening here.  An extraordinary discovery was claimed, but it doesn't mean anything without study, review, confirmation, challenges, and time.  I'd be more concerned if this wasn't happening.

As for the creationist bit ... so because we're not exactly sure about how the universe began, it must be just 6000 years old.  Yea, 2+2=potato it is.
 
2014-05-16 05:08:57 PM  

FlashHarry: the funny thing is, when scientists are wrong, they generally admit it and try to figure out where they made their mistakes. ever see a creationist do that?


More importantly, when scientists are wrong, they were found out they were wrong by other scientists.
 
2014-05-16 05:09:08 PM  
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. If you show me that, say, homeopathy works, then I will change my mind. I will spin on a farking dime. I'll be embarrassed as hell, yet I will run through the streets yelling 'It's a miracle! take physics and bin it'...you show me THAT it works and HOW it works, and when I recover from the shock, I will take a compass and carve 'fancy that' on the side of my cock."

Tim Minchin
 
2014-05-16 05:09:48 PM  
Why is this idiot green lit.
 
2014-05-16 05:10:18 PM  
A true Christian and every good Protestant (but I repeat myself) knows that this "Big Bang" thing is just another tool in Satan's box of deceit, like dinosaur bones.

Fact: this "theory" was created by the Whore of Babylon, the Catholic "Church," in the person of an actual priest, one of their idolator leadership.

Fact: Big Bangers also tend to believe in evolution, a similar "theory" of godlessness. You know who else teaches evolution? The Catholic "Church."

Fact: the Bible already told us how the universe was formed. Who keeps coming up with these "theories?" Not Jesus.

Evolutionists will try to ridicule this message with more "facts" about how we're just random results of a random explosion that somehow made sea-monkeys into land-monkeys into people, more Satanic "science" from Catholic priests and Moloch-worshippers, but the truth was already delivered, a Sunday edition straight from Lord Jehovah to good King James, and that's the only "science" that will get you into heaven. Not Mary-worship, not Neil deGrasse Tyson, not two monkeys gay-farking a fish.

Bet on it. Satan is.
 
2014-05-16 05:10:34 PM  
 
2014-05-16 05:10:58 PM  

Pocket Ninja: FlashHarry: the funny thing is, when scientists are wrong, they generally admit it and try to figure out where they made their mistakes. ever see a creationist do that?

Well, it's possible that the most simple and therefore likely explanation is that they *would* admit mistakes, but they haven't made any. Conversely, scientists have made many mistakes, because they're always admitting them. So whom should we trust?

Think about it this way: You're a Job Creator with two employees. One is constantly making mistakes and promising to do better. Then he makes more mistakes. The other keeps delivering the same, reliable, error-free performance. Whom do you keep?

Study it out.


Since I have hope for the faith based future, I keep the one with promise for improvement over the one with no promise for improvement

/amidoinitright?
 
2014-05-16 05:11:03 PM  
This is a case of "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence," to use the formulation made famous by astronomer Carl Sagan.

As opposed to the creationist method, where extraordinary claims demand run-of-the-mill gullibility.
 
2014-05-16 05:11:28 PM  
Cosmetologists are smarter than a lot of people give them credit for.
 
2014-05-16 05:12:51 PM  
Facetious_Speciest: Says words.


And yet, your name gives the game away.
 
2014-05-16 05:13:07 PM  

iheartscotch: My understanding of the Big Bang was that the data always spikes off into infinity as time approaches zero. But, I'm not a rocket surgeon.

/ also, Shelly Cooper is a smelly pooper


True.  This data, though, would describe development of the universe to a trillionth of a trillionth of a second from the bang.
 
2014-05-16 05:13:27 PM  

dryknife: Cosmetologists are smarter than a lot of people give them credit for.


AVON CALLING!
 
2014-05-16 05:16:19 PM  
 
2014-05-16 05:16:21 PM  
How cute. Everyone seems to think all Christians everywhere believe in creationism and spit in the face of all sciences.

Nice, comfy blanket....
 
2014-05-16 05:17:16 PM  
(Genesis 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

There's your evidence, Mr. Smarty-Sciencepants.
 
2014-05-16 05:17:31 PM  

htomc: Pocket Ninja: Think about it this way: You're a Job Creator with two employees. One is constantly making mistakes and promising to do better. Then he makes more mistakes. The other keeps delivering the same, reliable, error-free performance. Whom do you keep?

Perhaps not the best analogy.  Consider an alternative:

Employee A is constantly making mistakes.  He admits it, and tries to do better, but still continues making mistakes.  He even calls his own mistakes.  But despite his tendency to make mistakes, he checks and double-checks his work before he puts the product into the package for shipping.

Employee B admits to no mistakes whatsoever.  This employee has such ultimate faith in his work, that he doesn't even bother to do quality control- he just packs it up and ships it out.

Faulty packages are sometimes returned that were packed by Employee A; he tries to learn from the specific mistake to avoid repeating it.  Sometimes entire shipments are returned which were packed by Employee B.
Employee B always has a litany of excuses and rationalizations about the bad packages.

Which employee do you keep?


I fire them both and hire a couple of illegals to do a better job of packing for less money and no benefits.
 
2014-05-16 05:18:51 PM  

MadCat221: Marcus Aurelius: Funny how creationists only question science.

There is a difference between asking skeptical questions about a claim to ascertain its veracity, and asking disingenuous questions about a claim because you don't like how it is at odds with your preconceptions.

Which do Creationists do?


They ask when we're going to remove lies like evolution from science class or give equal time to the truth in Genesis.
 
2014-05-16 05:19:26 PM  

0z79: How cute. Everyone seems to think all Christians everywhere believe in creationism and spit in the face of all sciences.

Nice, comfy blanket....


Out of 46 posts, only you and one other person has used the word "Christian" everyone else is saying Creationist.

Nice try though.
 
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