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(Think Progress)   Fetch your fainting couch, as this may be a shock to you, but Kansas's massive tax cut to the state's wealthiest is destroying its economy   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 228
    More: Obvious, Kansas, tax cuts, child poverty, Sam Brownback, Center on Budget  
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2014-05-17 10:46:14 AM  

whidbey: Seriously, the rich, specifically the elderly rich, who already have a shiatload of senior citizen perks, need to suck it up and stop fighting tax increases.


Why don't you make them?
 
2014-05-17 11:08:27 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?


Not sure if you are serious. Why would a person with a decent job go on unemployment?

I'm sure you remember that the real reason why lots of people became unemployed. The US economy dived into a severe recession after Lehman Brothers went belly up. People got fired for lack of business, not because they chose to go on unemployment. People lost their jobs, their houses and their health care. Millions of them are still unemployed.

The US has stayed in this unemployment mess because every single fiscal thing that we know stimulates an economy - like increasing taxes on the very wealthy to pay for programs that increase productivity - has been blocked by the Republicans. TFA is an extreme example of how this BS fiscal policy doesn't work.
 
2014-05-17 11:33:40 AM  

Delay: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?

Not sure if you are serious. Why would a person with a decent job go on unemployment?

I'm sure you remember that the real reason why lots of people became unemployed. The US economy dived into a severe recession after Lehman Brothers went belly up. People got fired for lack of business, not because they chose to go on unemployment. People lost their jobs, their houses and their health care. Millions of them are still unemployed.

The US has stayed in this unemployment mess because every single fiscal thing that we know stimulates an economy - like increasing taxes on the very wealthy to pay for programs that increase productivity - has been blocked by the Republicans. TFA is an extreme example of how this BS fiscal policy doesn't work.


Because that is what right wingers believe. They were told by their politicians and news sources that people were quitting their jobs in droves to get unemployment and they preferred staying on unemployment instead of getting jobs.

He is severely misinformed and makes up facts, like when he says the unemployment numbers are figured out from a survey and not from the number of people making weekly claims for an unemployment check.

Or like his claim that the health and services saw a big jump when they forced people off of unemployment. He was acting like people were staying on the sweet sweet unemployment rather than take those jobs. He probably believes that unemployment was paying more than those jobs when in most cases people were receiving about the same pay or less than than those jobs paid on unemployment. And another thing he is ignoring is the fact that these health and services jobs probably were available until recently because these are the types of jobs you see become available when there is a big flow of state money thrown into programs creating these jobs. I can just about guarantee you that these jobs weren't available before because people would have been clamoring to get them.
 
2014-05-17 11:41:15 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: moothemagiccow: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?

The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs.

The unemployment rate is done via a survey.

Yes, they did go out and get shiat jobs. Around my area "health and services" saw a big bump in employment. Average salary for that classification. Less than 8 dollars an hour.


So people who once had decent wages are forced to accept shiat wages doing menial jobs.  This is good for America.  Thank you, corporate overlords.
 
2014-05-17 12:05:04 PM  

ongbok: He is severely misinformed and makes up facts, like when he says the unemployment numbers are figured out from a survey and not from the number of people making weekly claims for an unemployment check.


Yep. I shook my head at that comment too. I've come to the conclusion posts like these are not due to misinformation, they are due to deliberate disinformation. I don't want to appear to be a conspiracy theory kook, but if were simply one poster making up facts which are so easily shown to be false, some that stuff should fall outside the Republican talking points. Yet they don't.
 
2014-05-17 12:14:03 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.


www.sabinabecker.com

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.


www.sabinabecker.com

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.


www.sabinabecker.com
 
2014-05-17 12:15:48 PM  
Jesus Christ you people need some serious reading comprehension skills.

By the way, how the unemployment rate is calculated. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
 
2014-05-17 12:19:50 PM  
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
 
2014-05-17 12:26:39 PM  
People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.
 
2014-05-17 12:36:25 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.


The average unemployment check is $295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.
 
2014-05-17 12:51:54 PM  

ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.

The average unemployment check is $295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.


Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.
 
2014-05-17 01:00:34 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.


Folks take retail jobs IF AVAILABLE because they pay higher than unemployment benefits.

CSB
Retail jobs I have taken have been great fun with drop-dead gorgeous co-workers.
When unemployed during college all my friends knew this too.
/CSB

Suppose you have a retail job. You can apply for openings outside of your home city that match your skills. It's not like there is some rule, which apparently only Republicans know, that you must stop working to apply for another position. The problem right now, because of lack of demand made worse by this stupid Kansas fiscal policy, there are fewer jobs available than the US economy could support. We are not constrained by structural unemployment but bone headedness, as shown by TFA.
 
2014-05-17 01:10:47 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.

The average unemployment check is $295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.

Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.


Minimum wage around her is 330 a week.
 
2014-05-17 01:14:19 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.


Where? MW where I live comes to $360 per week. Furthermore if Republicans would stop blocking the renewal of the Making Work Pay tax credit most employed folks would pick up an additional $15 per week from the Federal Government. Some math: $375 - $295 = $80 per week or over $4,000 per year per person.
 
2014-05-17 01:16:34 PM  
I've learned to stop worrying about conservatard-hellscapes.  The way I see it, if you let them fail long enough, eventually they will have to dissolve their local agencies and governments, and the land and tax revenue can be absorbed by neighboring states that know how to actually run a government.
 
2014-05-17 01:28:40 PM  

dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?


I believe it because I have read over both sets of studies and the general conclusion amongst actual meteorologists (not the T.V. weather idiots, actual meteorological scientists) is that the data doesn't support the conclusion.  I teach the subject, so I'm actually pretty well informed.  You wanna know what drives climate change?  I'll give you a hint.  Look up during the day and you'll see a big ball of nuclear fusion in the sky.  That's what drives our climate, not CO2.  You want further proof?  Look at the atmospheres of Venus and Mars.  CO2 is such a poor greenhouse gas that Mars has no liquid water- its all frozen.  Venus has abundant CO2, but it also has something Mars doesn't- sulfuric acid vapor.  That's the stuff that actually keeps Venus under a perpetual greenhouse effect.  Earth also has multiple CO2 controls that would be extremely hard to actually alter- oceans, plant life, and even soil.  Lastly, mother nature pumps out huge amounts of CO2 every single time volcano goes boom or a forest burns down.  Sense those have been going on for 5 billion years (well, not the forest fires) and we're still here, I'm not going to lose any sleep.  Man doesn't hold a candle when compared to mother nature.
 
2014-05-17 01:37:14 PM  

bobothemagnificent: I believe it because I have read over both sets of studies


Bobo, we're not in Kansas anymore. Wrong thread perhaps?
 
2014-05-17 01:51:08 PM  

ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.

The average unemployment check is $295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.

Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.

Minimum wage around her is 330 a week.


Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.
 
2014-05-17 02:08:31 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.


Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.
 
2014-05-17 02:35:09 PM  

Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.


I don't know, I'm not the one saying minimum wage is above 7.15. 7.15 is minimum wage in North Carolina.
 
2014-05-17 02:52:10 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.

I don't know, I'm not the one saying minimum wage is above 7.15. 7.15 is minimum wage in North Carolina.


I don't know where you are located in NC, but I was Raleigh last week for an international anti-viral conference. Frankly, Raleigh NC is beautiful. I could live there happily. Why do the local politicians mess it up?
 
2014-05-17 03:04:05 PM  

Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.

I don't know, I'm not the one saying minimum wage is above 7.15. 7.15 is minimum wage in North Carolina.

I don't know where you are located in NC, but I was Raleigh last week for an international anti-viral conference. Frankly, Raleigh NC is beautiful. I could live there happily. Why do the local politicians mess it up?


Because the crazy redneck rural areas are way over represented due to crazy ass gerrymandering.

Pretty much every city got split up into at least three or four districts.
 
2014-05-17 03:31:22 PM  

FlashHarry: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

two three words: guns. god. gays.


 FTFY.

/brownbackistanians aren't the sharpest crayons in the box.
 
2014-05-17 07:29:29 PM  
B-b-b-b-b-but job creators!
 
2014-05-17 09:31:58 PM  

whidbey: Serious Black: whidbey: Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm.

I know full well about Kansas's population given that I've lived here for almost seven years now.

Still, it blows my mind. That's a lot of room out there with not that many folks. And yet an even smaller handful of derp controls it.

/family comes from SE KS
//lived in Parsons as a kid


I lived in parsons for a while, too. moved there with my ex-wife after I got out of the military. congrats on escaping.
 
2014-05-17 10:56:53 PM  

BSABSVR: ongbok: BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all.

What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21.

The real Agenda 21 was basically a statement saying "hey, the world can't only consist of factories and sprawl, just FYI."

the GOP has taken that to mean any type of urban planning at all.  Bike paths,  energy efficient condos, zoning?  All farking sinister.

Imagine a world run by GaryPDX.


I just did, and now I can't sleep. It's all your fault. I hope you're happy.
 
2014-05-18 02:26:09 AM  

IP: What's the matter with Kansas?


They're the descendants of people who rode out and their wagon broke down, and they were too dumb or lazy to fix it, so that's where they stayed.

/ You don't think people set out for Wichita, do you?
 
2014-05-18 02:40:36 AM  

Victoly: IP: What's the matter with Kansas?

They're the descendants of people who rode out and their wagon broke down, and they were too dumb or lazy to fix it, so that's where they stayed.

/ You don't think people set out for Wichita, do you?


I recognize the paraphrased Gallagher joke, but I wonder why the Koch brothers live in Wichita.
 
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