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(Think Progress)   Fetch your fainting couch, as this may be a shock to you, but Kansas's massive tax cut to the state's wealthiest is destroying its economy   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 228
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2014-05-16 07:44:42 PM

thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.


There is an interesting new angle to CCD and specifically, GOP politicians who espouse it.  They aren't denying that climate change is taking place.  They deny that human activity is causing it.  Or worse, if it is causing it, then there is nothing that can be done, so why impose regulations that might be detrimental to the fossil fuel industries that contribute heavily to their campaigns.  The argument always being jobs.
 
2014-05-16 07:48:01 PM

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.


The line for salt grains is generally occupied by everyone who thoroughly reads your posts, which these days is like three folks (including me) who can't resist checking out your inane right-wing rationales. I guess what I'm trying to say is there's plenty of salt to be had, so go ahead.
 
2014-05-16 07:50:32 PM

Victoly: [28.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]


Came here for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-05-16 07:51:34 PM

Cletus C.: whidbey: Cletus C.: RyogaM: Actually, that's not true at all. As you reach full employment, you end up with an exceedingly healthy economy, where people are able to buy and sell, and lose and get jobs easily, and you can easily get employment numbers below "full employment." Because of the economic health, It is much easier to go from 4% to 3% than it is to go from 9% to 8%. The problem is, getting below full employment will, according to most economic theory, results in inflation, as people are easily able to demand higher wages in their jobs, their higher wages and the increased demand allow producers to raise prices. We call this point of balance between inflation and unemployment "full employment" and the fed works by raising interests rates when that point is reached.

OTOH, getting from 9% to 8% is a right biatch. If your economy is at 9% unemployment, your economy is terribly sick, people can't find work, wages are suppressed, products can't be sold, deflation is a real possibility. At 9%, you need massive government spending to get your economy going again, massive spending that mayors and most governors do not have the ability to create. Without that spending, you can have years and years of crappy employment and there is not much you can do about it.

All things being equal, of course.

Har. I have no idea if what you said is true but it sounded good so maybe it is.

Except for that pesky fact that "full employment" doesn't mean shiat if everyone is digging ditches or working fast food. We already discussed that here.

If you're digging ditches you're almost certainly running a backhoe. If you're running a backhoe digging ditches there's a good chance you're working for a government agency or in a union. Even if you're not, chances are you're making decent money.

You may want a more recent employment degradement that one from the 1940s.



How about a call center?
 
2014-05-16 07:53:47 PM
Illinois's economy really isn't that bad.

The budget is a separate monster and it doesn't help that both sides suck at doing their job of coming to a middle ground on it.
 
2014-05-16 07:55:04 PM

encyclopediaplushuman: Victoly: [28.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

Came here for this, leaving satisfied.


Also, this.
 
2014-05-16 08:00:04 PM

phyrkrakr: madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.

Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making $44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source


The only consolation is that this is a watered down version of a really terrible tax plan proposed last summer.
 
2014-05-16 08:05:24 PM
I don't see what the problem is here.  Can't they just raise taxes on the poor and lower middle class?  Those don't count as tax increases, but instead as "getting some skin in the game".
 
2014-05-16 08:08:03 PM

Close2TheEdge: thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.

There is an interesting new angle to CCD and specifically, GOP politicians who espouse it.  They aren't denying that climate change is taking place.  They deny that human activity is causing it.  Or worse, if it is causing it, then there is nothing that can be done, so why impose regulations that might be detrimental to the fossil fuel industries that contribute heavily to their campaigns.  The argument always being jobs.


Well, the nice part is the republican crazies have conceded that climate change is real.

That's a big leap from "nuh-uh" or "it snowed in winter therefore al gore has to get a sex change"
 
2014-05-16 08:15:30 PM
People with no children often have disposable income.    Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids.
 
2014-05-16 08:53:39 PM

netcentric: People with no children often have disposable income.    Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids.


People with kids have extra standard deductions *and* the child tax credit. Childless people already ARE paying more taxes than their children-having peers.
 
2014-05-16 08:59:47 PM

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.


Are you actually this dumb?
 
2014-05-16 09:06:55 PM
ha ha, kansas, you make nebraska look like a progressive paradise

think about that and recoil in shame
 
2014-05-16 09:09:42 PM
Good
 
2014-05-16 09:14:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Marcus Aurelius: No problem.  Just slash spending on education, infrastructure, drug treatment, head start, and anything else that might even remotely help disadvantaged citizens.

I was being sarcastic, and then I RTFA.

Jesus Christ.


I pray there's retribution in this life or an afterlife for this scum.
 
2014-05-16 09:20:03 PM
NC is implementing Kansas' tax plan almost word for word, and (surprise!) it is having the same effect on the state government. Tax revenues this fiscal year are $450 million below projections, forcing the conservative legislature to make even more cuts. Last year they cut taxes on corporations and the wealthy nearly to zero, while raising sales and income taxes on everyone else. Now they are considering cutting even more taxes for the rich and corporations, even though projections for next year indicate an even larger shortage when all the cuts kick in.
 
2014-05-16 10:03:05 PM
Doesn't matter. They own the supreme court, they have gerrymandering all hammered out. The voter suppression laws are making their way through the system.

You people are rendered meaningless. Enjoy.
 
2014-05-16 10:06:15 PM

Aquapope: Cletus C.:

I suppose you realize there is a thing called blah blah unrelated blah

Doesn't matter.  You tried to defend Brownbacks bad policies using only 1 economic measure between Kansas, a landlocked agricultural state with Illinois, a manufacturing port state.  Apples and monkeys, you can't compare them.


For his next trick: Kansas v. Detroit.
 
2014-05-16 10:07:03 PM

netcentric: People with no children often have disposable income.    Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids.


"Often"
 
2014-05-16 10:07:52 PM
I just wish the Smithsonian would take back all of the space artifacts it has on loan to the Kansas Cosmosphere. After that, the whole state should be walled off and turned into a giant monument to plutocratic nastiness.
 
2014-05-16 10:09:00 PM

thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.


I predict he will respond with a Ramirez cartoon.
 
2014-05-16 10:19:27 PM

whidbey: jigger: whidbey: jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there.

They do plenty already, actually.

And it's not working. Because it's Kansas. Who the fark in their right mind would want to live there, no matter what the government is like?

Clean air, quiet, awesome sunsets, intense weather patterns, low cost of living.

Yeah only an idiot would move there.


When I moved here we had Sebelius and decent weather. Now it's Brownbackistan and drought.

Damn you, Obama!

\it really is his fault for taking Sebelius away
 
2014-05-16 10:30:06 PM

phyrkrakr: madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.

Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making $44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source


That drives me nuts.  We now have hard, empirical evidence that Brownback's policies are insane and that they are driving Kansas off the cliff, but the Missouri GOP still insists on following them.  It's like watching a derpy version of Thelma and Louise.
 
2014-05-16 10:57:57 PM
i28.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-16 11:07:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?


And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.
 
2014-05-16 11:21:19 PM
Thanks to those massive tax cuts, rich people can now afford to build machine-gun nests for the guard posts of their gated communities to keep back the mobs of unemployed poor people. So for them the economy is working perfectly!
 
2014-05-16 11:39:18 PM

taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.




The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles.

It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are.

Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face.
 
2014-05-16 11:42:44 PM

taurusowner: And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics abundant natural resources.


FTFY.
 
2014-05-16 11:49:34 PM
No state income tax is a natural resource?
 
2014-05-16 11:56:53 PM

taurusowner: No state income tax is a natural resource?


It's not Texas's lack of income tax that's causing its prosperity. Given the situation with "those same economics" failing elsewhere, I'd say they're succeeding in spite of it.
 
2014-05-17 12:23:48 AM

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.


North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?
 
2014-05-17 12:31:01 AM

taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.


Insanely arguably. Yes.
 
2014-05-17 12:34:28 AM

snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.



The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles.

It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are.

Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face.


What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place.
 
2014-05-17 12:38:31 AM

Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?


The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs.
 
2014-05-17 12:47:40 AM

whidbey: Clean air, quiet, awesome sunsets, intense weather patterns, low cost of living.

Yeah only an idiot would move there.


Yearly tornadoes and flooding, surrounded by bigoted, redneck asshats, run by morons intent on destroying the state's economy and education system... yes, sounds like farking paradise.
 
2014-05-17 12:49:26 AM

BSABSVR: snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.

The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles.

It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are.

Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face.

What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place.


I never directly paid property tax in TX but the sales tax is just as bad in other states. The cumulative state and city tax rates are capped at 8.25% in Texas. I pay 7.5% total in NC plus I pay 6% state income tax, and the government here runs like ass. I don't see any real benefits, unless you count the tree-loving weirdos and the voluminous roads that wouldn't need as much upkeep if they had planned anything in this sprawling craphole.
 
2014-05-17 01:00:34 AM

moothemagiccow: BSABSVR: snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.

The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles.

It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are.

Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face.

What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place.

I never directly paid property tax in TX but the sales tax is just as bad in other states. The cumulative state and city tax rates are capped at 8.25% in Texas. I pay 7.5% total in NC plus I pay 6% state income tax, and the government here runs like ass. I don't see any real benefits, unless you count the tree-loving weirdos and the voluminous roads that wouldn't need as much upkeep if they had planned anything in this sprawling craphole.


Because real urban planning is for communists.
 
2014-05-17 01:46:16 AM

BlueDWarrior: moothemagiccow: BSABSVR: snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics.

Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true.

The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles.

It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are.

Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face.

What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place.

I never directly paid property tax in TX but the sales tax is just as bad in other states. The cumulative state and city tax rates are capped at 8.25% in Texas. I pay 7.5% total in NC plus I pay 6% state income tax, and the government here runs like ass. I don't see any real benefits, unless you count the tree-loving weirdos and the voluminous roads that wouldn't need as much upkeep if they had planned anything in this sprawling craphole.

Because real urban planning is for communists.


We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21.  So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen.  shiat!  There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street?  Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all.
 
2014-05-17 01:55:14 AM

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.


You would you dumbf*ck.
 
2014-05-17 02:18:39 AM

Close2TheEdge: thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.

There is an interesting new angle to CCD and specifically, GOP politicians who espouse it.  They aren't denying that climate change is taking place.   They deny that human activity is causing it.  Or worse, if it is causing it, then there is nothing that can be done, so why impose regulations that might be detrimental to the fossil fuel industries that contribute heavily to their campaigns.  The argument always being jobs.


Whatever happened to American Exceptionalism? We sent a man to the moon created an entire sound stage to simulate the lunar surface, now we can't manufacture enough pollution to change the weather? America used to be great, what happened?
 
2014-05-17 02:30:16 AM

phyrkrakr: Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making $44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source


Another state the feds will have to bail out. Great. I was hoping the veto would stick.
 
2014-05-17 02:45:45 AM

BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all.


What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21.
 
2014-05-17 03:15:11 AM

ongbok: BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all.

What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21.


The real Agenda 21 was basically a statement saying "hey, the world can't only consist of factories and sprawl, just FYI."

the GOP has taken that to mean any type of urban planning at all.  Bike paths,  energy efficient condos, zoning?  All farking sinister.

Imagine a world run by GaryPDX.
 
2014-05-17 03:32:46 AM

BSABSVR: ongbok: BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all.

What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21.

The real Agenda 21 was basically a statement saying "hey, the world can't only consist of factories and sprawl, just FYI."

the GOP has taken that to mean any type of urban planning at all.  Bike paths,  energy efficient condos, zoning?  All farking sinister.

Imagine a world run by GaryPDX.


Thanks, I didn't pass the bar exam again, and now  you give me this just in case I needed another reason not to live tonight.

I'll be off drinking a warm beaker of Drano and battery acid and crying myself to sleep.
 
2014-05-17 04:06:43 AM

bobothemagnificent: Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.


Reality has a blatant liberal bias.
 
2014-05-17 04:49:07 AM

theknuckler_33: netcentric: People with no children often have disposable income.    Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids.

People with kids have extra standard deductions *and* the child tax credit. Childless people already ARE paying more taxes than their children-having peers.


My child-less self is a-ok with that. Also,  I'm glad my taxes go to schools. I want children to be well taken care of and educated.
 
2014-05-17 06:27:25 AM

Serious Black: whidbey: Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm.

I know full well about Kansas's population given that I've lived here for almost seven years now.


My condolences. You seem like too nice a person to have to live in Kansastan.

/but, I hear the state has a tree, so that's nice...
 
2014-05-17 07:02:54 AM

moothemagiccow: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?

The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs.


This is what idiots actually believe.
 
2014-05-17 08:07:56 AM

Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%

That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with.


Ummm... larger percentage of a larger population, means more people hired per capita.  Math... it's awesome.
 
2014-05-17 09:45:44 AM

moothemagiccow: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes.

People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on?

The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs.


The unemployment rate is done via a survey.

Yes, they did go out and get shiat jobs. Around my area "health and services" saw a big bump in employment. Average salary for that classification. Less than 8 dollars an hour.
 
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