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(Think Progress)   Fetch your fainting couch, as this may be a shock to you, but Kansas's massive tax cut to the state's wealthiest is destroying its economy   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 228
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2014-05-16 04:45:33 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?


Because Republicans are morons, evil, or both.
 
2014-05-16 04:46:56 PM
All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.
 
2014-05-16 04:47:02 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Because Jebus stick it to the farking libs.


FIXT. Seriously, that's all these farking morans care about.
 
2014-05-16 04:49:28 PM

ScreamingHangover: What do you expect from a state full of idiot who would vote this inept moron into office?


4/10. though the misspelling of "idiots" was a nice touch.

also, sibelius hasn't been governor for 5 years.
 
2014-05-16 04:49:44 PM

Mantour: [cdn.static-economist.com image 850x525]


Those are some shiatty-assed graphs.
 
2014-05-16 04:50:37 PM

ongbok: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Illinois isn't having the economic crisis that seems to be happening in Kansas as a result of these policies.


Illinois is screwed if those "temporary" 2011 income taxes are not extended. And even if they are, not that there's much doubt, they originally were supposed to help the state pay down back bills and deal with its heavy pension obligations but that hasn't happened.
 
2014-05-16 04:52:20 PM

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.



Kansas also doesn't have a Chicago.
 
2014-05-16 04:52:38 PM
THE FREE MARKET HAS SPOKEN!

ALL PRAISE SAINT AYN! FOR SHE LIVETH AT THE RIGHT HAND OF SAINT RONNIE FOREVER AND EVER!

PRAISE GALT!
 
2014-05-16 04:53:41 PM

Trivia Jockey: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.


Kansas also doesn't have a Chicago.


No, but it has Democrats.


I know that's supposed to mean something.
 
2014-05-16 04:54:12 PM

Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.


Heh, this just came out yesterday.

The Illinois unemployment rate fell to 7.9 percent last month, marking its lowest point since 2008 and the largest monthly decline since data was first collected in 1976.
 
2014-05-16 04:55:31 PM
thanks OBAMA!
 
2014-05-16 04:55:46 PM
Voodoo economics.
 
2014-05-16 04:58:41 PM
Eliminate income taxes.
Eliminate estate taxes.
Eliminate corporate taxes.
Eliminate school funding.
Eliminate minimum wage.
Eliminate food stamps.

Create modern feudal system.  Live like kings.  Back to work peasants!
 
2014-05-16 04:59:00 PM

Evil High Priest: NeverDrunk23: And even though they were burned for the 45,328th time, they will continue to put their hand on the stove's flame.

Again and again.

GOOD! Maybe eventually they'll manage to completely kill themselves off. And stop breeding.


If we could only get them to stick their dicks there before they have kids.
 
2014-05-16 04:59:37 PM

madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.



Oklahoma just had to use school activity fund to pay for teacher's health insurance.

And their pay still sucks. And our infrastructure is boned.
 
2014-05-16 05:00:07 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: one time when my sister was a baby she happened to roll backward while wearing full diaper which sprayed liquid kinderscheisse up her back


Amazing - that's what I was going to call my KMFDM cover band.
 
2014-05-16 05:02:55 PM

Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.


Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%
 
kth
2014-05-16 05:03:05 PM

Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry


It still is a little odd to me that a classmate of mine (KU poli sci) is legit running for governor. How did I get to be old enough for that?

Trivia Jockey: I must have read the article too fast, I could not find the part about where this is poor people's fault.  Or Obama's.


He overtly blamed Obama last week. Most non-idiots made fun of him.
 
2014-05-16 05:04:57 PM
If you want a tax cut to be a stimulus you have to give it to someone who will spend it. That would be common folks buying cars, new fishing rods, and TVs, not rich people who plow it all into yet another investment fund, stimulating only Wall Street.
 
IP
2014-05-16 05:05:32 PM
What's the matter with Kansas?
 
2014-05-16 05:05:51 PM

Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%


That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with.
 
2014-05-16 05:06:35 PM

Notabunny: Stupid libtards are stupid. Everybody knows that reducing income is the only way to increase income, and that by increasing income you're sure to reduce income. Study it out.


Hell yeah.

Last night I only got a dollar meal burger instead of the combo so that plus saving $10 gas by not driving to work totally balanced out skipping my shift yesterday!
 
2014-05-16 05:06:50 PM
How cute. Democratics don't even know what economies are. "Err, the gubbermint get monies?"
 
2014-05-16 05:10:38 PM
 
2014-05-16 05:10:56 PM

madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.


Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making $44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source
 
2014-05-16 05:10:59 PM

Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%

That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with.


Lol!
 
2014-05-16 05:12:31 PM

Mantour: In fact, higher income tax may not be the answer, as capital gains are not taxed like income.


Which we could solve by making capital gains taxes progressive. You could ignore the first $10,000 of gains, then start taxing it at a rate that starts much lower than the income tax, but increases according to a steep curve- by the time you're getting $1M in capital gains, you're in a >90% tax bracket on those gains.
 
2014-05-16 05:14:27 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?


crackberry.com
 
2014-05-16 05:15:17 PM
Kansas is only having a fiscal crisis to distract us from Benghazi.
 
2014-05-16 05:15:37 PM

Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%

That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with.


Percentages and maths, how do they work?
 
2014-05-16 05:16:55 PM

ScreamingHangover: [upload.wikimedia.org image 480x600]

What do you expect from a state full of idiot who would vote this inept moron into office?


And let her leave, and put this f'ing tool in her place?

www.ourpolitics.us

\remember, the f*ckups stated with *this* jackass
 
2014-05-16 05:18:07 PM

Dog Welder: This is clearly Obama's fault.


He does meet or exceed the criteria for the N-word, according to that sheriff.
 
2014-05-16 05:19:28 PM
FTFA: The state Supreme Court has ordered lawmakers to restore funding to poor school districts, saying that the spending levels they enacted were so low as to be unconstitutional.

So, the plan was to cut taxes to attract businesses, as if they would be happy to hire the most poorly educated workers that a state could possibly produce?

I'm not a single issue voter, but this one issue might be enough to persuade me to ignore everything else and vote against every single jackass that voted in favor of education spending levels so low as to be un-farking-constitutional.

I can't imagine what in the world makes Kansas lawmakers think this will make their state attractive to residents, job creators or anyone considering moving there.
 
2014-05-16 05:19:33 PM

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.


Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping.  Down from 5.5 last year.
Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you!
 
2014-05-16 05:22:19 PM

Holfax: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping.  Down from 5.5 last year.
Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you!


Let them eat Hardees.
 
2014-05-16 05:23:18 PM
Probably because of gays, Obamacare, and Benghazi.
 
2014-05-16 05:24:19 PM

whidbey: Holfax: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping.  Down from 5.5 last year.
Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you!

Let them eat Hardees.


Jesus, are you some sort of fancy pants rich guy.  The dollar menu at McDonalds will do just fine.
 
2014-05-16 05:24:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Marcus Aurelius: No problem.  Just slash spending on education, infrastructure, drug treatment, head start, and anything else that might even remotely help disadvantaged citizens.

I was being sarcastic, and then I RTFA.

Jesus Christ.


No shiat.
 
2014-05-16 05:24:36 PM
Brownback's official response to the state's poverty problem was a brief report that advocated fighting poverty by encouraging traditional family structures through eight-hour "pre-marital education" classes for couples wishing to wed, kicking tens of thousands of residents off of food stamps so that they will work harder, and finding mentors for the state's kids.

"My shiatty policies aren't working, let's double down with more shiatty policy!"
 
2014-05-16 05:25:17 PM

UncomfortableSilence: Percentages and maths, how do they work?


He may have been facetious, but he's kind of right.

If your unemployment rate is 10% and it falls to 9%, it just went down by 10% -- ((9-10)/10))*100

If your unemployment rate is 5% and it falls to 4.5%, it also just went down by 10% -- ((4.5-5)/5))*100

You can't compare absolute percentage points when you're starting from two different points.

So for Kansas, ((4.8-5.5)/5.5)*100 = 12.7% decrease
And for Illinois, ((7.9-9.2)/9.2)*100 = 14.1% decrease

So Illinois actually won by 1.4%!

Or is it (1.4/14.1)*100 = 9.9%?
Or is it (1.4/12.7)*100 = 11.02%?

Who knows!  I don't.
 
2014-05-16 05:27:39 PM

Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%

That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with.


Oooh, a math backpedal.  The rate of change of the rate of change for Illinois is decreasing less than that of Kansas.  Is that your feeble support for your  initialfeeble comparison of the economies of an agricultural state and a manufacturing state?
 
2014-05-16 05:27:53 PM
Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.
 
2014-05-16 05:28:25 PM

fusillade762: This is absurd. Even millionaires think this shiat is stupid.

CNBC's first-ever Millionaire Survey reveals that 51 percent of American millionaires believe inequality is a "major problem" for the U.S., and nearly two-thirds support higher taxes on the wealthy and a higher minimum wage as ways to narrow the wealth gap.


That's cute.  Millionaires.  What matters are the billionaires.  And they want more money.
 
2014-05-16 05:29:19 PM

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.


Dude, you don't even think climate change is real. I can't imagine what it would take for you to realize that tax cuts to the rich is doing it wrong.
 
2014-05-16 05:29:23 PM

theknuckler_33: Conservatives are pure evil.


That is not true. They aren't pure evil. They are half evil, half dishonest, and half stupid.
 
2014-05-16 05:29:37 PM
Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there.
 
2014-05-16 05:31:06 PM

jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there.


They do plenty already, actually. It doesn't bode well for changing a paradigm to have stingy rich old white men still controlling everything.
 
2014-05-16 05:36:25 PM

jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there.


Attracting high-end science degreed people to this area is impossible in the KC area.  Your choices for your kids' education is the rapidly declining anti-science of Kansas, or the unaccredited Missouri system   What PhD wants to move his family here for that, even if the cost of living is amazingly low?
 
2014-05-16 05:37:23 PM
And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years.  You just cannot explain that.
 
2014-05-16 05:38:23 PM

Saiga410: And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years.  You just cannot explain that.


Because there wasn't a President before Obama who nearly tanked the US economy under his watch.
 
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