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Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Because Jebus.

No problem.  Just slash spending on education, infrastructure, drug treatment, head start, and anything else that might even remotely help disadvantaged citizens.

Marcus Aurelius: No problem.  Just slash spending on education, infrastructure, drug treatment, head start, and anything else that might even remotely help disadvantaged citizens.

I was being sarcastic, and then I RTFA.

Jesus Christ.

I forget. This is fainting, right?

Elections have consequences, don't they, Kansas?

I must have read the article too fast, I could not find the part about where this is poor people's fault.  Or Obama's.

That's the thing about the job creators. They actually have to, you know, do something to create jobs.

But... But... Laffer Curve!

And next time around they'll vote for them again.

The common clay of the new West.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

three words: guns. god. gays.

Seriously, the rich, specifically the elderly rich, who already have a shiatload of senior citizen perks, need to suck it up and stop fighting tax increases.

There is no arguing with this position. Thanks.

Nuh-uh.

The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

This is clearly Obama's fault.

FTFA: Brownback's official response to the state's poverty problem was a brief report that advocated fighting poverty by encouraging traditional family structures...

This sounds pretty effective. After all, traditional families never have issues with poverty.

Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm.

Dog Welder: This is clearly Obama's fault.

The article didn't claim otherwise.

Conservatives are pure evil.

whidbey: Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm.

I know full well about Kansas's population given that I've lived here for almost seven years now.

Kansas was pretty nice when I lived there.  But I moved away 25 years ago.  Coincidence, I think not.

Kansas has been circling the drain for a good long while, it's about time they went down it.

Gov. Sam GreenBrownback (Republiscam)

Let's just call him what he's all about.

Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Destroy is a stretch. But "Not as good as all surrounding states" is spot on. Brownback is a clownfarker.

You say this like it wasn't the objective the whole time.

Tax cuts for the wealthy only benefit the wealthy. Obvious. The wealthy use religion and social issues to garner support among the poor. Obvious. The poor go to battle for them while the poor suffer. Obvious.

But hey, they are sticking it to 'the man'!

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

What do you expect from a state full of idiot who would vote this inept moron into office?

theknuckler_33: Conservatives are pure evil.

Only the representatives. The rest are morans.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Because Jebus.

Because gays are icky.

Serious Black: whidbey: Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm.

I know full well about Kansas's population given that I've lived here for almost seven years now.

Still, it blows my mind. That's a lot of room out there with not that many folks. And yet an even smaller handful of derp controls it.

/family comes from SE KS
//lived in Parsons as a kid

Wait, so defunding the entire state government is bad?

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

whidbey: Seriously, the rich, specifically the elderly rich, who already have a shiatload of senior citizen perks, need to suck it up and stop fighting tax increases.

There is no arguing with this position. Thanks.

MFAWG: Nuh-uh.

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Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Well here in Kansas it's pretty across the board. All the stats are in, and they point to Republicans and a lot of crappy policies. I don't know about the Land of Lincoln.

It's cool that Rush and Faux and Friends gave you that one lame ass "stat." Too bad it's dead wrong.

dr_blasto: whidbey: Seriously, the rich, specifically the elderly rich, who already have a shiatload of senior citizen perks, need to suck it up and stop fighting tax increases.

There is no arguing with this position. Thanks.

MFAWG: Nuh-uh.

ohsnap.jpg

TO THE IMPEACH MOBILE

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Illinois isn't having the economic crisis that seems to be happening in Kansas as a result of these policies.

Good! Not that evidence-based reality will penetrate their shells. Stay strong, Kansas!

Stupid libtards are stupid. Everybody knows that reducing income is the only way to increase income, and that by increasing income you're sure to reduce income. Study it out.

ongbok: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Illinois isn't having the economic crisis that seems to be happening in Kansas as a result of these policies.

Whatever it takes to make it look like libs shouldn't be taxing the richest people. Yes, even irrelevant statistics from another political landscape with more people.

one time when my sister was a baby she happened to roll backward while wearing full diaper which sprayed liquid kinderscheisse up her back

whenever i see sam brownback, i think of that

it works literally and metaphorically

Dog Welder: This is clearly Obama's fault.

This is the excuse Brownback is using. And the dumbass rubes here are lapping it up and will reelect him despite his declining popularity.

This is happening here in North Carolina right now. Tax cuts last year mean that we can't pay our teachers this year. Teachers are leaving for other states or other careers. Gov. McCrory just promised big pay raises but the legislature knows that there's no money. While I hope they'll get voted out next time around, given our gerrymandered districts it's not likely.

And even though they were burned for the 45,328th time, they will continue to put their hand on the stove's flame.

Again and again.

NeverDrunk23: And even though they were burned for the 45,328th time, they will continue to put their hand on the stove's flame.

Again and again.

GOOD! Maybe eventually they'll manage to completely kill themselves off. And stop breeding.

/The top 10 % do not prosper with a higher income but rather a return of their invested capital.
//In fact, higher income tax may not be the answer, as capital gains are not taxed like income.
///the rich get richer, the poor get poorer

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Because Republicans are morons, evil, or both.

All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Because Jebus stick it to the farking libs.

FIXT. Seriously, that's all these farking morans care about.

ScreamingHangover: What do you expect from a state full of idiot who would vote this inept moron into office?

4/10. though the misspelling of "idiots" was a nice touch.

also, sibelius hasn't been governor for 5 years.

Mantour: [cdn.static-economist.com image 850x525]

Those are some shiatty-assed graphs.

ongbok: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Illinois isn't having the economic crisis that seems to be happening in Kansas as a result of these policies.

Illinois is screwed if those "temporary" 2011 income taxes are not extended. And even if they are, not that there's much doubt, they originally were supposed to help the state pay down back bills and deal with its heavy pension obligations but that hasn't happened.

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Kansas also doesn't have a Chicago.

THE FREE MARKET HAS SPOKEN!

ALL PRAISE SAINT AYN! FOR SHE LIVETH AT THE RIGHT HAND OF SAINT RONNIE FOREVER AND EVER!

PRAISE GALT!

Trivia Jockey: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Kansas also doesn't have a Chicago.

No, but it has Democrats.

I know that's supposed to mean something.

Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Heh, this just came out yesterday.

The Illinois unemployment rate fell to 7.9 percent last month, marking its lowest point since 2008 and the largest monthly decline since data was first collected in 1976.

thanks OBAMA!

Voodoo economics.

Eliminate income taxes.
Eliminate estate taxes.
Eliminate corporate taxes.
Eliminate school funding.
Eliminate minimum wage.
Eliminate food stamps.

Create modern feudal system.  Live like kings.  Back to work peasants!

Evil High Priest: NeverDrunk23: And even though they were burned for the 45,328th time, they will continue to put their hand on the stove's flame.

Again and again.

GOOD! Maybe eventually they'll manage to completely kill themselves off. And stop breeding.

If we could only get them to stick their dicks there before they have kids.

madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.

Oklahoma just had to use school activity fund to pay for teacher's health insurance.

And their pay still sucks. And our infrastructure is boned.

Bonanza Jellybean: one time when my sister was a baby she happened to roll backward while wearing full diaper which sprayed liquid kinderscheisse up her back

Amazing - that's what I was going to call my KMFDM cover band.

Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%

Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

It still is a little odd to me that a classmate of mine (KU poli sci) is legit running for governor. How did I get to be old enough for that?

Trivia Jockey: I must have read the article too fast, I could not find the part about where this is poor people's fault.  Or Obama's.

He overtly blamed Obama last week. Most non-idiots made fun of him.

If you want a tax cut to be a stimulus you have to give it to someone who will spend it. That would be common folks buying cars, new fishing rods, and TVs, not rich people who plow it all into yet another investment fund, stimulating only Wall Street.

What's the matter with Kansas?

Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time?

/I personally do not know.

Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014):

Kansas: -0.7%
Illinois: -1.3%

That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with.

Notabunny: Stupid libtards are stupid. Everybody knows that reducing income is the only way to increase income, and that by increasing income you're sure to reduce income. Study it out.

Hell yeah.

Last night I only got a dollar meal burger instead of the combo so that plus saving $10 gas by not driving to work totally balanced out skipping my shift yesterday! How cute. Democratics don't even know what economies are. "Err, the gubbermint get monies?" madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious. Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making$44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time? /I personally do not know. Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014): Kansas: -0.7% Illinois: -1.3% That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with. Lol! Mantour: In fact, higher income tax may not be the answer, as capital gains are not taxed like income. Which we could solve by making capital gains taxes progressive. You could ignore the first$10,000 of gains, then start taxing it at a rate that starts much lower than the income tax, but increases according to a steep curve- by the time you're getting $1M in capital gains, you're in a >90% tax bracket on those gains. Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? Kansas is only having a fiscal crisis to distract us from Benghazi. Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time? /I personally do not know. Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014): Kansas: -0.7% Illinois: -1.3% That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with. Percentages and maths, how do they work? ScreamingHangover: [upload.wikimedia.org image 480x600] What do you expect from a state full of idiot who would vote this inept moron into office? And let her leave, and put this f'ing tool in her place? \remember, the f*ckups stated with *this* jackass Dog Welder: This is clearly Obama's fault. He does meet or exceed the criteria for the N-word, according to that sheriff. FTFA: The state Supreme Court has ordered lawmakers to restore funding to poor school districts, saying that the spending levels they enacted were so low as to be unconstitutional. So, the plan was to cut taxes to attract businesses, as if they would be happy to hire the most poorly educated workers that a state could possibly produce? I'm not a single issue voter, but this one issue might be enough to persuade me to ignore everything else and vote against every single jackass that voted in favor of education spending levels so low as to be un-farking-constitutional. I can't imagine what in the world makes Kansas lawmakers think this will make their state attractive to residents, job creators or anyone considering moving there. Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping. Down from 5.5 last year. Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you! Holfax: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping. Down from 5.5 last year. Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you! Let them eat Hardees. Probably because of gays, Obamacare, and Benghazi. whidbey: Holfax: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping. Down from 5.5 last year. Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you! Let them eat Hardees. Jesus, are you some sort of fancy pants rich guy. The dollar menu at McDonalds will do just fine. Marcus Aurelius: Marcus Aurelius: No problem. Just slash spending on education, infrastructure, drug treatment, head start, and anything else that might even remotely help disadvantaged citizens. I was being sarcastic, and then I RTFA. Jesus Christ. No shiat. Brownback's official response to the state's poverty problem was a brief report that advocated fighting poverty by encouraging traditional family structures through eight-hour "pre-marital education" classes for couples wishing to wed, kicking tens of thousands of residents off of food stamps so that they will work harder, and finding mentors for the state's kids. "My shiatty policies aren't working, let's double down with more shiatty policy!" UncomfortableSilence: Percentages and maths, how do they work? He may have been facetious, but he's kind of right. If your unemployment rate is 10% and it falls to 9%, it just went down by 10% -- ((9-10)/10))*100 If your unemployment rate is 5% and it falls to 4.5%, it also just went down by 10% -- ((4.5-5)/5))*100 You can't compare absolute percentage points when you're starting from two different points. So for Kansas, ((4.8-5.5)/5.5)*100 = 12.7% decrease And for Illinois, ((7.9-9.2)/9.2)*100 = 14.1% decrease So Illinois actually won by 1.4%! Or is it (1.4/14.1)*100 = 9.9%? Or is it (1.4/12.7)*100 = 11.02%? Who knows! I don't. Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time? /I personally do not know. Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014): Kansas: -0.7% Illinois: -1.3% That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with. Oooh, a math backpedal. The rate of change of the rate of change for Illinois is decreasing less than that of Kansas. Is that your feeble support for your initialfeeble comparison of the economies of an agricultural state and a manufacturing state? Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. fusillade762: This is absurd. Even millionaires think this shiat is stupid. CNBC's first-ever Millionaire Survey reveals that 51 percent of American millionaires believe inequality is a "major problem" for the U.S., and nearly two-thirds support higher taxes on the wealthy and a higher minimum wage as ways to narrow the wealth gap. That's cute. Millionaires. What matters are the billionaires. And they want more money. bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. Dude, you don't even think climate change is real. I can't imagine what it would take for you to realize that tax cuts to the rich is doing it wrong. theknuckler_33: Conservatives are pure evil. That is not true. They aren't pure evil. They are half evil, half dishonest, and half stupid. Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. They do plenty already, actually. It doesn't bode well for changing a paradigm to have stingy rich old white men still controlling everything. jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. Attracting high-end science degreed people to this area is impossible in the KC area. Your choices for your kids' education is the rapidly declining anti-science of Kansas, or the unaccredited Missouri system What PhD wants to move his family here for that, even if the cost of living is amazingly low? And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years. You just cannot explain that. Saiga410: And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years. You just cannot explain that. Because there wasn't a President before Obama who nearly tanked the US economy under his watch. The answer is staring us in the face...cut taxes on the rich even more. Aquapope: jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. Attracting high-end science degreed people to this area is impossible in the KC area. Your choices for your kids' education is the rapidly declining anti-science of Kansas, or the unaccredited Missouri system What PhD wants to move his family here for that, even if the cost of living is amazingly low? This. Seeing this with geologists, etc in Houston area. Non-religious private schools are a growth industry, which of course is what people like Brownback want, except for the no religious part. So what? Kansas sucks. They're trying to act like it's still the early 1900s. Let them cope with the fallout from that decision. Saiga410: And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years. You just cannot explain that. Isn't it obvious? The tide goes in, tide goes out. What, you need me to spell it out for you? Intel154: Aquapope: jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. Attracting high-end science degreed people to this area is impossible in the KC area. Your choices for your kids' education is the rapidly declining anti-science of Kansas, or the unaccredited Missouri system What PhD wants to move his family here for that, even if the cost of living is amazingly low? This. Seeing this with geologists, etc in Houston area. Non-religious private schools are a growth industry, which of course is what people like Brownback want, except for the no religious part. Makes sense. Book-learnin' without Jesus=heresy t3knomanser: Mantour: In fact, higher income tax may not be the answer, as capital gains are not taxed like income. Which we could solve by making capital gains taxes progressive. You could ignore the first$10,000 of gains, then start taxing it at a rate that starts much lower than the income tax, but increases according to a steep curve- by the time you're getting $1M in capital gains, you're in a >90% tax bracket on those gains. In his book, Piketty advocates a "Global Wealth Tax" which pretty much describes your solution. Aquapope: Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time? /I personally do not know. Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014): Kansas: -0.7% Illinois: -1.3% That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with. Oooh, a math backpedal. The rate of change of the rate of change for Illinois is decreasing less than that of Kansas. Is that your feeble support for your initialfeeble comparison of the economies of an agricultural state and a manufacturing state? I suppose you realize there is a thing called "full employment," which is not actually a 0 percent unemployment rate. Economists and the CBO have put that number in the 3 percent to 4 percent range. The closer you get to that full employment rate the tougher it is to show greater percentages of improvement, wouldn't you think? bobothemagnificent: Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. FlashHarry: ScreamingHangover: What do you expect from a state full of idiot who would vote this inept moron into office? 4/10. though the misspelling of "idiots" was a nice touch. also, sibelius hasn't been governor for 5 years. I don't think that matters to these "people". This is the same group that blames the entire economic collapse on Barney Frank. Even though Republicans held the White House, Senate and House from 2000-2006 it doesn't matter. Republicans can do no wrong in their books. Willfully blind partisan hacks are willfully blind partisan hacks.... whidbey: jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. They do plenty already, actually. And it's not working. Because it's Kansas. Who the fark in their right mind would want to live there, no matter what the government is like? jigger: whidbey: jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. They do plenty already, actually. And it's not working. Because it's Kansas. Who the fark in their right mind would want to live there, no matter what the government is like? Clean air, quiet, awesome sunsets, intense weather patterns, low cost of living. Yeah only an idiot would move there. Aquapope: Oooh, a math backpedal. The rate of change of the rate of change for Illinois is decreasing less than that of Kansas. Is that your feeble support for your initialfeeble comparison of the economies of an agricultural state and a manufacturing state? Your argument is derivative. You should try to integrate some other statistics. It would add to your point without subtracting any impact. Of course, if you don't bound your statements properly, counterarguments will multiply and you may find a division among your supporters. You might find you only have a fraction of the support for your position you think you have. Blues_X: madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious. Oklahoma just had to use school activity fund to pay for teacher's health insurance. And their pay still sucks. And our infrastructure is boned. The only reason Oklahoma's economy didn't tank as badly as others' is because of energy sector. Either way, I can't wait to leave Oklahoma for a laundry list of reasons. edmo: If you want a tax cut to be a stimulus you have to give it to someone who will spend it. That would be common folks buying cars, new fishing rods, and TVs, not rich people who plow it all into yet another investment fund, stimulating only Wall Street. That's even assuming the people's basic needs are already met, and in many cases that isn't so. There are a lot of families out there who would spend an extra$100 on food, because they are hungry. If they aren't hungry they might still need more/newer clothes, but definitely they will spend and drive the economy.

Any "job-creation" "incentives" should be directly tied to actual job creation: If you create X full-time jobs and pay those salaries and benefits for a year, you get a reduction in your tax load.

They've been getting breaks for a decade, there should be a freakin' labor shortage from so many jobs created. Instead it's like a parent giving their kid $200 for clothes and then dropping the kid of at Toys R Us, then giving the kid another$200 when he still doesn't have clothes and dropping them off at TRU again.

Saiga410: And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years.  You just cannot explain that.

It is sad that you make this argument. It is even more sad that almost half the nation thinks it is a valid point.

Bonanza Jellybean: one time when my sister was a baby she happened to roll backward while wearing full diaper which sprayed liquid kinderscheisse up her back

whenever i see sam brownback, i think of that

it works literally and metaphorically

Thank you for that story. I giggled at work until I cried.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

They vote for them because those "economics" appeal to the mean-spirited, the greedy, the simple minded, and the frightened people, which forms a kind of loose coalition.  For election purposes, it doesn't matter whether their economics work--it just has to sound like it might work, at least to the folks who don't want to think too hard about it (or who will benefit from it).

HawgWild: That's the thing about the job creators. They actually have to, you know, do something to create jobs.

Are you being sarcastic?  Don't you know that investing in hedge funds or sending your money to a bank in the Bahamas creates lots of jobs in Kansas?

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

Oh, they work just fine. It's just that the purpose of Republican economics is to drain economies dry by funneling money into the pockets of the already-wealthy.

drewbob21: Eliminate income taxes.
Eliminate estate taxes.
Eliminate corporate taxes.
Eliminate school funding.
Eliminate minimum wage.
Eliminate food stamps.

Create modern feudal system.  Live like kings.  Back to work peasants!

you forgot 'reduce sales tax rate.  That way they've 'reduced taxes for everyone', not just the rich.

a whopping .15% lower (was 6.3, now it's 6.15)

Raoul Eaton: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

They vote for them because those "economics" appeal to the mean-spirited, the greedy, the simple minded, and the frightened people, which forms a kind of loose coalition.  For election purposes, it doesn't matter whether their economics work--it just has to sound like it might work, at least to the folks who don't want to think too hard about it (or who will benefit from it).

And for a large number of them, racism.

Sometimes who it will hurt  more that matters.

NSFW language

Cletus C.:

I suppose you realize there is a thing called blah blah unrelated blah

Doesn't matter.  You tried to defend Brownbacks bad policies using only 1 economic measure between Kansas, a landlocked agricultural state with Illinois, a manufacturing port state.  Apples and monkeys, you can't compare them.

madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.

Actually we just raised taxes on the top .5%. I agree that the cuts are not helping though.

jst3p: Saiga410: And here the ACA gets passed and we have the longest recession in 70 years.  You just cannot explain that.

It is sad that you make this argument. It is even more sad that almost half the nation thinks it is a valid point.

Not sure if he realizes that the healthcare act was passed after the end of the recession....

theknuckler_33: Conservatives are pure evil.

Naw. Not really.

They too often just believe their own bullsiat too much. They believe in unicorns; not us Democrats.

Noam Chimpsky: How cute. Democratics don't even know what economies are. "Err, the gubbermint get monies?"

No. I'm sorry but this just isn't acceptable trolling. You put zero effort into it. You quoted no misleading 'unskewed' data. Where's the attack on the POTUS? Where's the insinuation of Zion plotting? Don't you take any pride in puking garbage into a thread anymore?!

for shame Noam, for shame

Aquapope: Cletus C.:

I suppose you realize there is a thing called blah blah unrelated blah

Doesn't matter.  You tried to defend Brownbacks bad policies using only 1 economic measure between Kansas, a landlocked agricultural state with Illinois, a manufacturing port state.  Apples and monkeys, you can't compare them.

Can to. Especially since this entire argument is set up by comparing the rate of economic growth in Kansas to the entire farking United States.

Cletus C.: Aquapope: Cletus C.:

I suppose you realize there is a thing called blah blah unrelated blah

Doesn't matter.  You tried to defend Brownbacks bad policies using only 1 economic measure between Kansas, a landlocked agricultural state with Illinois, a manufacturing port state.  Apples and monkeys, you can't compare them.

Can to. Especially since this entire argument is set up by comparing the rate of economic growth in Kansas to the entire farking United States.

Haha you just got caught whiteknighting a total Teabag nutball like Brownback. How surprising that now you're trying to wriggle out of that one.

whidbey: Because there wasn't a President before Obama who nearly tanked the US economy under his watch.

There wasn't.  It's weird how often what whatever we might want or wish to believe, however wistfully, winds up without warrant.  Why would women and whoever else wage wasteful partisan war, when we can instead work for wholesome wellness?

Skleenar: whidbey: Because there wasn't a President before Obama who nearly tanked the US economy under his watch.

There wasn't.  It's weird how often what whatever we might want or wish to believe, however wistfully, winds up without warrant.  Why would women and whoever else wage wasteful partisan war, when we can instead work for wholesome wellness?

That wascally WABBIT.

What's wealthy in Kansas, anyway? Like $12 per hour? Cletus C.: Aquapope: Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time? /I personally do not know. Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014): Kansas: -0.7% Illinois: -1.3% That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with. Oooh, a math backpedal. The rate of change of the rate of change for Illinois is decreasing less than that of Kansas. Is that your feeble support for your initialfeeble comparison of the economies of an agricultural state and a manufacturing state? I suppose you realize there is a thing called "full employment," which is not actually a 0 percent unemployment rate. Economists and the CBO have put that number in the 3 percent to 4 percent range. The closer you get to that full employment rate the tougher it is to show greater percentages of improvement, wouldn't you think? Actually, that's not true at all. As you reach full employment, you end up with an exceedingly healthy economy, where people are able to buy and sell, and lose and get jobs easily, and you can easily get employment numbers below "full employment." Because of the economic health, It is much easier to go from 4% to 3% than it is to go from 9% to 8%. The problem is, getting below full employment will, according to most economic theory, results in inflation, as people are easily able to demand higher wages in their jobs, their higher wages and the increased demand allow producers to raise prices. We call this point of balance between inflation and unemployment "full employment" and the fed works by raising interests rates when that point is reached. OTOH, getting from 9% to 8% is a right biatch. If your economy is at 9% unemployment, your economy is terribly sick, people can't find work, wages are suppressed, products can't be sold, deflation is a real possibility. At 9%, you need massive government spending to get your economy going again, massive spending that mayors and most governors do not have the ability to create. Without that spending, you can have years and years of crappy employment and there is not much you can do about it. All things being equal, of course. madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious. Clearly the answer is more tax cuts. RyogaM: Actually, that's not true at all. As you reach full employment, you end up with an exceedingly healthy economy, where people are able to buy and sell, and lose and get jobs easily, and you can easily get employment numbers below "full employment." Because of the economic health, It is much easier to go from 4% to 3% than it is to go from 9% to 8%. The problem is, getting below full employment will, according to most economic theory, results in inflation, as people are easily able to demand higher wages in their jobs, their higher wages and the increased demand allow producers to raise prices. We call this point of balance between inflation and unemployment "full employment" and the fed works by raising interests rates when that point is reached. OTOH, getting from 9% to 8% is a right biatch. If your economy is at 9% unemployment, your economy is terribly sick, people can't find work, wages are suppressed, products can't be sold, deflation is a real possibility. At 9%, you need massive government spending to get your economy going again, massive spending that mayors and most governors do not have the ability to create. Without that spending, you can have years and years of crappy employment and there is not much you can do about it. All things being equal, of course. Har. I have no idea if what you said is true but it sounded good so maybe it is. Cletus C.: RyogaM: Actually, that's not true at all. As you reach full employment, you end up with an exceedingly healthy economy, where people are able to buy and sell, and lose and get jobs easily, and you can easily get employment numbers below "full employment." Because of the economic health, It is much easier to go from 4% to 3% than it is to go from 9% to 8%. The problem is, getting below full employment will, according to most economic theory, results in inflation, as people are easily able to demand higher wages in their jobs, their higher wages and the increased demand allow producers to raise prices. We call this point of balance between inflation and unemployment "full employment" and the fed works by raising interests rates when that point is reached. OTOH, getting from 9% to 8% is a right biatch. If your economy is at 9% unemployment, your economy is terribly sick, people can't find work, wages are suppressed, products can't be sold, deflation is a real possibility. At 9%, you need massive government spending to get your economy going again, massive spending that mayors and most governors do not have the ability to create. Without that spending, you can have years and years of crappy employment and there is not much you can do about it. All things being equal, of course. Har. I have no idea if what you said is true but it sounded good so maybe it is. Except for that pesky fact that "full employment" doesn't mean shiat if everyone is digging ditches or working fast food. We already discussed that here. whidbey: bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. Dude, you don't even think climate change is real. I can't imagine what it would take for you to realize that tax cuts to the rich is doing it wrong. Incorrect. The climate is always changing. I don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change. I will repeat my statement about what is it they aren't reporting because thinkprogress only does what is best for progressivism and liberalism. tinyarena: Noam Chimpsky: How cute. Democratics don't even know what economies are. "Err, the gubbermint get monies?" No. I'm sorry but this just isn't acceptable trolling. You put zero effort into it. You quoted no misleading 'unskewed' data. Where's the attack on the POTUS? Where's the insinuation of Zion plotting? Don't you take any pride in puking garbage into a thread anymore?! for shame Noam, for shame He's been phoning it in for a while. sad, really, as the quality was much better in the past. Tony Snark: bobothemagnificent: Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. [blogs.suntimes.com image 614x533] Nobody said propaganda wasn't a two street. whidbey: Cletus C.: RyogaM: Actually, that's not true at all. As you reach full employment, you end up with an exceedingly healthy economy, where people are able to buy and sell, and lose and get jobs easily, and you can easily get employment numbers below "full employment." Because of the economic health, It is much easier to go from 4% to 3% than it is to go from 9% to 8%. The problem is, getting below full employment will, according to most economic theory, results in inflation, as people are easily able to demand higher wages in their jobs, their higher wages and the increased demand allow producers to raise prices. We call this point of balance between inflation and unemployment "full employment" and the fed works by raising interests rates when that point is reached. OTOH, getting from 9% to 8% is a right biatch. If your economy is at 9% unemployment, your economy is terribly sick, people can't find work, wages are suppressed, products can't be sold, deflation is a real possibility. At 9%, you need massive government spending to get your economy going again, massive spending that mayors and most governors do not have the ability to create. Without that spending, you can have years and years of crappy employment and there is not much you can do about it. All things being equal, of course. Har. I have no idea if what you said is true but it sounded good so maybe it is. Except for that pesky fact that "full employment" doesn't mean shiat if everyone is digging ditches or working fast food. We already discussed that here. If you're digging ditches you're almost certainly running a backhoe. If you're running a backhoe digging ditches there's a good chance you're working for a government agency or in a union. Even if you're not, chances are you're making decent money. You may want a more recent employment degradement that one from the 1940s. Haha, no. That's simply not possible. Kansas is an extremely red state. The Republicans that control Kansas would never allow it to fail financially. The article must have been written about the liberal wasteland of California, and someone pulled a fast one and changed it to Kansas. That's the only explanation. Everyone knows the GoP has the best plan for helping states reach economic goals. You cut taxes for the wealthy, cut spending on entitlements, and ask schools to tighten their belts. It's so simple. If every state in the Union followed these guidelines the US would be an economic powerhouse by 2020. I guarantee. bobothemagnificent: whidbey: bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. Dude, you don't even think climate change is real. I can't imagine what it would take for you to realize that tax cuts to the rich is doing it wrong. Incorrect. The climate is always changing. I don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change. I will repeat my statement about what is it they aren't reporting because thinkprogress only does what is best for progressivism and liberalism. Totally correct. Scientists spending years studying this are simply wrong. They just want to prove a problem exists so they can keep pulling grant money. There is no problem with the climate. Man could never damage the environment no matter how hard we tried. Full speed ahead, I say. bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change. Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change? Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution? Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over? Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is? Do you believe this because fark you libs? They obviously didn't cut far enough. UncomfortableSilence: whidbey: Holfax: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. Not only that, but unemployment in Kansas has been dropping. Down from 5.5 last year. Of course, the school systems are degrading and the poverty rate is increasing, so Kansas is effectively becoming a state of fully-employed ditch-diggers and fast-food fry cooks. If that is your goal, good for you! Let them eat Hardees. Jesus, are you some sort of fancy pants rich guy. The dollar menu at McDonalds will do just fine. Wendy's$1.30 burger is 100% better!

Dog Welder: This is clearly Obama's fault.

NPR interviewed Kansas GOP legislators about this a few nights ago; that's exactly what they said.

dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.

t3knomanser: Mantour: In fact, higher income tax may not be the answer, as capital gains are not taxed like income.

Which we could solve by making capital gains taxes progressive. You could ignore the first $10,000 of gains, then start taxing it at a rate that starts much lower than the income tax, but increases according to a steep curve- by the time you're getting$1M in capital gains, you're in a >90% tax bracket on those gains.

The GOP shut down the US government and nearly sent the entire world economy into a tailspin because of Obamacare. Can you imagine the reaction if this idea got any kind of serious traction?

They didn't reduce taxes enough for it to work.  The problem is government regulations and the Lavendar Mafia, and they need to cut taxes some more.

mofa: They didn't reduce taxes enough for it to work.  The problem is government regulations and the Lavendar Mafia, and they need to cut taxes some more.

Funny'd.

edmo: If you want a tax cut to be a stimulus you have to give it to someone who will spend it. That would be common folks buying cars, new fishing rods, and TVs, not rich people who plow it all into yet another investment fund, stimulating only Wall Street.

You know it. I know it. The only people who don't get it are republicans, and that's because they don't WANT to learn that lesson.

thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.

There is an interesting new angle to CCD and specifically, GOP politicians who espouse it.  They aren't denying that climate change is taking place.  They deny that human activity is causing it.  Or worse, if it is causing it, then there is nothing that can be done, so why impose regulations that might be detrimental to the fossil fuel industries that contribute heavily to their campaigns.  The argument always being jobs.

bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is.  Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias.  And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda.  It would make Goebbels proud.  You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt.

The line for salt grains is generally occupied by everyone who thoroughly reads your posts, which these days is like three folks (including me) who can't resist checking out your inane right-wing rationales. I guess what I'm trying to say is there's plenty of salt to be had, so go ahead.

Victoly: [28.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

Came here for this, leaving satisfied.

Cletus C.: whidbey: Cletus C.: RyogaM: Actually, that's not true at all. As you reach full employment, you end up with an exceedingly healthy economy, where people are able to buy and sell, and lose and get jobs easily, and you can easily get employment numbers below "full employment." Because of the economic health, It is much easier to go from 4% to 3% than it is to go from 9% to 8%. The problem is, getting below full employment will, according to most economic theory, results in inflation, as people are easily able to demand higher wages in their jobs, their higher wages and the increased demand allow producers to raise prices. We call this point of balance between inflation and unemployment "full employment" and the fed works by raising interests rates when that point is reached.

OTOH, getting from 9% to 8% is a right biatch. If your economy is at 9% unemployment, your economy is terribly sick, people can't find work, wages are suppressed, products can't be sold, deflation is a real possibility. At 9%, you need massive government spending to get your economy going again, massive spending that mayors and most governors do not have the ability to create. Without that spending, you can have years and years of crappy employment and there is not much you can do about it.

All things being equal, of course.

Har. I have no idea if what you said is true but it sounded good so maybe it is.

Except for that pesky fact that "full employment" doesn't mean shiat if everyone is digging ditches or working fast food. We already discussed that here.

If you're digging ditches you're almost certainly running a backhoe. If you're running a backhoe digging ditches there's a good chance you're working for a government agency or in a union. Even if you're not, chances are you're making decent money.

You may want a more recent employment degradement that one from the 1940s.

How about a call center?

Illinois's economy really isn't that bad.

The budget is a separate monster and it doesn't help that both sides suck at doing their job of coming to a middle ground on it.

encyclopediaplushuman: Victoly: [28.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

Came here for this, leaving satisfied.

Also, this.

phyrkrakr: madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious.

Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making $44K a year will save a whopping$32. Source

The only consolation is that this is a watered down version of a really terrible tax plan proposed last summer.

I don't see what the problem is here.  Can't they just raise taxes on the poor and lower middle class?  Those don't count as tax increases, but instead as "getting some skin in the game".

Close2TheEdge: thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E.

There is an interesting new angle to CCD and specifically, GOP politicians who espouse it.  They aren't denying that climate change is taking place.  They deny that human activity is causing it.  Or worse, if it is causing it, then there is nothing that can be done, so why impose regulations that might be detrimental to the fossil fuel industries that contribute heavily to their campaigns.  The argument always being jobs.

Well, the nice part is the republican crazies have conceded that climate change is real.

That's a big leap from "nuh-uh" or "it snowed in winter therefore al gore has to get a sex change"

People with no children often have disposable income.    Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids.

netcentric: People with no children often have disposable income.    Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids.

People with kids have extra standard deductions *and* the child tax credit. Childless people already ARE paying more taxes than their children-having peers.

Cletus C.: Hmm

Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent.

Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent.

Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011.

Cheery-picked stats can be fun.

Are you actually this dumb?

ha ha, kansas, you make nebraska look like a progressive paradise

think about that and recoil in shame

Good

Marcus Aurelius: Marcus Aurelius: No problem.  Just slash spending on education, infrastructure, drug treatment, head start, and anything else that might even remotely help disadvantaged citizens.

I was being sarcastic, and then I RTFA.

Jesus Christ.

I pray there's retribution in this life or an afterlife for this scum.

NC is implementing Kansas' tax plan almost word for word, and (surprise!) it is having the same effect on the state government. Tax revenues this fiscal year are $450 million below projections, forcing the conservative legislature to make even more cuts. Last year they cut taxes on corporations and the wealthy nearly to zero, while raising sales and income taxes on everyone else. Now they are considering cutting even more taxes for the rich and corporations, even though projections for next year indicate an even larger shortage when all the cuts kick in. Doesn't matter. They own the supreme court, they have gerrymandering all hammered out. The voter suppression laws are making their way through the system. You people are rendered meaningless. Enjoy. Aquapope: Cletus C.: I suppose you realize there is a thing called blah blah unrelated blah Doesn't matter. You tried to defend Brownbacks bad policies using only 1 economic measure between Kansas, a landlocked agricultural state with Illinois, a manufacturing port state. Apples and monkeys, you can't compare them. For his next trick: Kansas v. Detroit. netcentric: People with no children often have disposable income. Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids. "Often" I just wish the Smithsonian would take back all of the space artifacts it has on loan to the Kansas Cosmosphere. After that, the whole state should be walled off and turned into a giant monument to plutocratic nastiness. thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change. Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change? Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution? Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over? Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is? Do you believe this because fark you libs? He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E. I predict he will respond with a Ramirez cartoon. whidbey: jigger: whidbey: jigger: Um. It's Kansas. I don't think there's anything they could do to attract people and businesses to move there. They do plenty already, actually. And it's not working. Because it's Kansas. Who the fark in their right mind would want to live there, no matter what the government is like? Clean air, quiet, awesome sunsets, intense weather patterns, low cost of living. Yeah only an idiot would move there. When I moved here we had Sebelius and decent weather. Now it's Brownbackistan and drought. Damn you, Obama! \it really is his fault for taking Sebelius away phyrkrakr: madgonad: All of the bordering states are in full recovery. Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. The problem is that the Kansas government is cutting back on services (middle class jobs) to balance out the whopping tax cut. Now almost all of that tax cut is going to the top 5% - who aren't spending it on local products and services. The business owners are investing it and farmers are buying flashy new farm equipment that isn't made in Kansas. So the net result is fewer services and a shrinking middle class. In addition, nobody wants to move to a location where services (good schools) are deteriorating. So yes, Republican economics are killing the state. The same thing is happening nationally, but it isn't so blatantly obvious. Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making$44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source That drives me nuts. We now have hard, empirical evidence that Brownback's policies are insane and that they are driving Kansas off the cliff, but the Missouri GOP still insists on following them. It's like watching a derpy version of Thelma and Louise. Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. Thanks to those massive tax cuts, rich people can now afford to build machine-gun nests for the guard posts of their gated communities to keep back the mobs of unemployed poor people. So for them the economy is working perfectly! taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles. It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are. Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face. taurusowner: And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics abundant natural resources. FTFY. No state income tax is a natural resource? taurusowner: No state income tax is a natural resource? It's not Texas's lack of income tax that's causing its prosperity. Given the situation with "those same economics" failing elsewhere, I'd say they're succeeding in spite of it. Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. Insanely arguably. Yes. snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles. It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are. Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face. What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place. Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs. whidbey: Clean air, quiet, awesome sunsets, intense weather patterns, low cost of living. Yeah only an idiot would move there. Yearly tornadoes and flooding, surrounded by bigoted, redneck asshats, run by morons intent on destroying the state's economy and education system... yes, sounds like farking paradise. BSABSVR: snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles. It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are. Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face. What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place. I never directly paid property tax in TX but the sales tax is just as bad in other states. The cumulative state and city tax rates are capped at 8.25% in Texas. I pay 7.5% total in NC plus I pay 6% state income tax, and the government here runs like ass. I don't see any real benefits, unless you count the tree-loving weirdos and the voluminous roads that wouldn't need as much upkeep if they had planned anything in this sprawling craphole. moothemagiccow: BSABSVR: snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles. It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are. Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face. What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place. I never directly paid property tax in TX but the sales tax is just as bad in other states. The cumulative state and city tax rates are capped at 8.25% in Texas. I pay 7.5% total in NC plus I pay 6% state income tax, and the government here runs like ass. I don't see any real benefits, unless you count the tree-loving weirdos and the voluminous roads that wouldn't need as much upkeep if they had planned anything in this sprawling craphole. Because real urban planning is for communists. BlueDWarrior: moothemagiccow: BSABSVR: snowshovel: taurusowner: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker. Republican economics don't work. Why the Fark do people vote for them? And yet states like Texas have arguably the strongest economies in the entire nation for those same economics. Money goes where it is treated well. That will never ever stop being true. The only reason Texas has a strong economy is because God put oil underneath it's land. And they don't mind cutting important bootstrappy services like wildfire prevention and regulations to prevent chemical plants from blowing up...that's what the the rest of the states are for, to help pick up the tab for Texas boondoggles. It's as if Wisconsin goes around cutting all funding for snow removal services for highways and then demands Arizona pay for it when it snows, just to show how awesomely fiscally responsible they are. Just once, I'd like to see Texas deal with their own mistakes of their making without asking for a handout while slapping their bootstraps in everyone's face. What's funny is that Texas, for all the derp about no income tax, has a higher than average sales tax and property tax. Unless you truly want to live in a shiatbucket, you want some form of government, and those taxes come from some place. I never directly paid property tax in TX but the sales tax is just as bad in other states. The cumulative state and city tax rates are capped at 8.25% in Texas. I pay 7.5% total in NC plus I pay 6% state income tax, and the government here runs like ass. I don't see any real benefits, unless you count the tree-loving weirdos and the voluminous roads that wouldn't need as much upkeep if they had planned anything in this sprawling craphole. Because real urban planning is for communists. We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all. bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. You would you dumbf*ck. Close2TheEdge: thehobbes: dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change. Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change? Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution? Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over? Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is? Do you believe this because fark you libs? He either won't answer, will answer with cherry-picked data, or default to E. There is an interesting new angle to CCD and specifically, GOP politicians who espouse it. They aren't denying that climate change is taking place. They deny that human activity is causing it. Or worse, if it is causing it, then there is nothing that can be done, so why impose regulations that might be detrimental to the fossil fuel industries that contribute heavily to their campaigns. The argument always being jobs. Whatever happened to American Exceptionalism? We sent a man to the moon created an entire sound stage to simulate the lunar surface, now we can't manufacture enough pollution to change the weather? America used to be great, what happened? phyrkrakr: Missouri just passed their "Me too!" tax plan to do the same shiat as Kansas. They even managed to override the (Dem) governor's veto to get it done. Now, it doesn't actually take effect until 2017, but here's the plan: cut the top bracket from 6% to 5.5%, and allows business owners to take a 25% deduction on all business income reported on their individual return. 52% of the savings go to the top 7% of taxpayers, and the average family making$44K a year will save a whopping $32. Source Another state the feds will have to bail out. Great. I was hoping the veto would stick. BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all. What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21. ongbok: BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all. What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21. The real Agenda 21 was basically a statement saying "hey, the world can't only consist of factories and sprawl, just FYI." the GOP has taken that to mean any type of urban planning at all. Bike paths, energy efficient condos, zoning? All farking sinister. Imagine a world run by GaryPDX. BSABSVR: ongbok: BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all. What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21. The real Agenda 21 was basically a statement saying "hey, the world can't only consist of factories and sprawl, just FYI." the GOP has taken that to mean any type of urban planning at all. Bike paths, energy efficient condos, zoning? All farking sinister. Imagine a world run by GaryPDX. Thanks, I didn't pass the bar exam again, and now you give me this just in case I needed another reason not to live tonight. I'll be off drinking a warm beaker of Drano and battery acid and crying myself to sleep. bobothemagnificent: Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. Reality has a blatant liberal bias. theknuckler_33: netcentric: People with no children often have disposable income. Maybe they should increase taxes on people with no kids. People with kids have extra standard deductions *and* the child tax credit. Childless people already ARE paying more taxes than their children-having peers. My child-less self is a-ok with that. Also, I'm glad my taxes go to schools. I want children to be well taken care of and educated. Serious Black: whidbey: Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come. /unless we just nuke the state dry Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm. I know full well about Kansas's population given that I've lived here for almost seven years now. My condolences. You seem like too nice a person to have to live in Kansastan. /but, I hear the state has a tree, so that's nice... moothemagiccow: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs. This is what idiots actually believe. Cletus C.: Uzzah: Dimensio: Cletus C.: Hmm Kansas has an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. Illinois has an unemployment rate of 7.9 percent. Illinois had a massive income tax increase in 2011. Cheery-picked stats can be fun. How have unemployment rates in each state changed over time? /I personally do not know. Unemployment rates, 12-month net change (Apr. 2013-Apr. 2014): Kansas: -0.7% Illinois: -1.3% That makes sense, considering Illinois has a larger percentage to work with. Ummm... larger percentage of a larger population, means more people hired per capita. Math... it's awesome. moothemagiccow: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs. The unemployment rate is done via a survey. Yes, they did go out and get shiat jobs. Around my area "health and services" saw a big bump in employment. Average salary for that classification. Less than 8 dollars an hour. whidbey: Seriously, the rich, specifically the elderly rich, who already have a shiatload of senior citizen perks, need to suck it up and stop fighting tax increases. Why don't you make them? Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? Not sure if you are serious. Why would a person with a decent job go on unemployment? I'm sure you remember that the real reason why lots of people became unemployed. The US economy dived into a severe recession after Lehman Brothers went belly up. People got fired for lack of business, not because they chose to go on unemployment. People lost their jobs, their houses and their health care. Millions of them are still unemployed. The US has stayed in this unemployment mess because every single fiscal thing that we know stimulates an economy - like increasing taxes on the very wealthy to pay for programs that increase productivity - has been blocked by the Republicans. TFA is an extreme example of how this BS fiscal policy doesn't work. Delay: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? Not sure if you are serious. Why would a person with a decent job go on unemployment? I'm sure you remember that the real reason why lots of people became unemployed. The US economy dived into a severe recession after Lehman Brothers went belly up. People got fired for lack of business, not because they chose to go on unemployment. People lost their jobs, their houses and their health care. Millions of them are still unemployed. The US has stayed in this unemployment mess because every single fiscal thing that we know stimulates an economy - like increasing taxes on the very wealthy to pay for programs that increase productivity - has been blocked by the Republicans. TFA is an extreme example of how this BS fiscal policy doesn't work. Because that is what right wingers believe. They were told by their politicians and news sources that people were quitting their jobs in droves to get unemployment and they preferred staying on unemployment instead of getting jobs. He is severely misinformed and makes up facts, like when he says the unemployment numbers are figured out from a survey and not from the number of people making weekly claims for an unemployment check. Or like his claim that the health and services saw a big jump when they forced people off of unemployment. He was acting like people were staying on the sweet sweet unemployment rather than take those jobs. He probably believes that unemployment was paying more than those jobs when in most cases people were receiving about the same pay or less than than those jobs paid on unemployment. And another thing he is ignoring is the fact that these health and services jobs probably were available until recently because these are the types of jobs you see become available when there is a big flow of state money thrown into programs creating these jobs. I can just about guarantee you that these jobs weren't available before because people would have been clamoring to get them. Shakin_Haitian: moothemagiccow: Shakin_Haitian: North Carolina's unemployment rate dropped like a stone when we cut unemployment benefits and taxes. People who made a decent wage went to unemployment. Lazy bums were shoved off and are now making a sweet sweet average wage of under 8 dollars an hour. Oddly, we now have a budget shortfall and our economy is slowing. Durr... what's going on? The unemployment rate measures the people getting unemployment checks. When you stop sending out the checks, the unemployment rate goes down. They didn't all run out and get shiat jobs. The unemployment rate is done via a survey. Yes, they did go out and get shiat jobs. Around my area "health and services" saw a big bump in employment. Average salary for that classification. Less than 8 dollars an hour. So people who once had decent wages are forced to accept shiat wages doing menial jobs. This is good for America. Thank you, corporate overlords. ongbok: He is severely misinformed and makes up facts, like when he says the unemployment numbers are figured out from a survey and not from the number of people making weekly claims for an unemployment check. Yep. I shook my head at that comment too. I've come to the conclusion posts like these are not due to misinformation, they are due to deliberate disinformation. I don't want to appear to be a conspiracy theory kook, but if were simply one poster making up facts which are so easily shown to be false, some that stuff should fall outside the Republican talking points. Yet they don't. bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. bobothemagnificent: Since it's ThinkProgress, I'm wondering where the other half of the story is. Because there's no bias like blatant liberal bias. And ThinkProgress.org is pretty much nothing but pure propaganda. It would make Goebbels proud. You'll forgive me if I take the entire story with a rather large grain of salt. Jesus Christ you people need some serious reading comprehension skills. By the way, how the unemployment rate is calculated. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.) There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.) People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries. It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job. Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries. It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job. The average unemployment check is$295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.

ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.

The average unemployment check is $295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that. Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285. Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries. It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job. Folks take retail jobs IF AVAILABLE because they pay higher than unemployment benefits. CSB Retail jobs I have taken have been great fun with drop-dead gorgeous co-workers. When unemployed during college all my friends knew this too. /CSB Suppose you have a retail job. You can apply for openings outside of your home city that match your skills. It's not like there is some rule, which apparently only Republicans know, that you must stop working to apply for another position. The problem right now, because of lack of demand made worse by this stupid Kansas fiscal policy, there are fewer jobs available than the US economy could support. We are not constrained by structural unemployment but bone headedness, as shown by TFA. Shakin_Haitian: ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries. It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job. The average unemployment check is$295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.

Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.

Minimum wage around her is 330 a week.

Shakin_Haitian: Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.

Where? MW where I live comes to $360 per week. Furthermore if Republicans would stop blocking the renewal of the Making Work Pay tax credit most employed folks would pick up an additional$15 per week from the Federal Government. Some math: $375 -$295 = $80 per week or over$4,000 per year per person.

I've learned to stop worrying about conservatard-hellscapes.  The way I see it, if you let them fail long enough, eventually they will have to dissolve their local agencies and governments, and the land and tax revenue can be absorbed by neighboring states that know how to actually run a government.

dr_blasto: bobothemagnificent: don't believe that man made CO2 emissions are responsible for affecting the rate of climate change.

Why have you come to this conclusion. What evidence leads you to believe that our CO2 emissions have no responsibility for the rate of climate change?

Do you believe this because you don't like a solution offered in the form of carbon taxes, that is, do you disbelieve it because you don't like a potential solution?

Do you believe this way because god gave Noah a rainbow an declared all the half-ass attempts at making humans extinct were over?

Do you believe this because of well-researched independently reviewed scientific evidence clearly shows through repeatable experiments that this is just the way it is?

Do you believe this because fark you libs?

I believe it because I have read over both sets of studies and the general conclusion amongst actual meteorologists (not the T.V. weather idiots, actual meteorological scientists) is that the data doesn't support the conclusion.  I teach the subject, so I'm actually pretty well informed.  You wanna know what drives climate change?  I'll give you a hint.  Look up during the day and you'll see a big ball of nuclear fusion in the sky.  That's what drives our climate, not CO2.  You want further proof?  Look at the atmospheres of Venus and Mars.  CO2 is such a poor greenhouse gas that Mars has no liquid water- its all frozen.  Venus has abundant CO2, but it also has something Mars doesn't- sulfuric acid vapor.  That's the stuff that actually keeps Venus under a perpetual greenhouse effect.  Earth also has multiple CO2 controls that would be extremely hard to actually alter- oceans, plant life, and even soil.  Lastly, mother nature pumps out huge amounts of CO2 every single time volcano goes boom or a forest burns down.  Sense those have been going on for 5 billion years (well, not the forest fires) and we're still here, I'm not going to lose any sleep.  Man doesn't hold a candle when compared to mother nature.

bobothemagnificent: I believe it because I have read over both sets of studies

Bobo, we're not in Kansas anymore. Wrong thread perhaps?

ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: ongbok: Shakin_Haitian: People stay on unemployment because they can spend time looking for jobs and in some cases does pay more than shiat jobs because unemployment benefits are weighted to your previous salaries.

It is extremely stupid for someone with actual skills to work in retail for peanuts they can stay on benefits so they can have time to look for a good job.

The average unemployment check is \$295 a week. The max amount in most states isn't much higher than that.

Cool. Minimum wage at 40 hours comes out at 285.

Minimum wage around her is 330 a week.

Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.

Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.

I don't know, I'm not the one saying minimum wage is above 7.15. 7.15 is minimum wage in North Carolina.

Shakin_Haitian: Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.

I don't know, I'm not the one saying minimum wage is above 7.15. 7.15 is minimum wage in North Carolina.

I don't know where you are located in NC, but I was Raleigh last week for an international anti-viral conference. Frankly, Raleigh NC is beautiful. I could live there happily. Why do the local politicians mess it up?

Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Delay: Shakin_Haitian: Almost everywhere where republicans are in control, federal min is state min.

Almost? In a state where Republicans are in control, where is the state minimum wage not federal min? Just asking.

I don't know, I'm not the one saying minimum wage is above 7.15. 7.15 is minimum wage in North Carolina.

I don't know where you are located in NC, but I was Raleigh last week for an international anti-viral conference. Frankly, Raleigh NC is beautiful. I could live there happily. Why do the local politicians mess it up?

Because the crazy redneck rural areas are way over represented due to crazy ass gerrymandering.

Pretty much every city got split up into at least three or four districts.

FlashHarry: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - shocker.  Republican economics don't work.  Why the Fark do people vote for them?

two three words: guns. god. gays.

FTFY.

/brownbackistanians aren't the sharpest crayons in the box.

B-b-b-b-b-but job creators!

whidbey: Serious Black: whidbey: Serious Black: The sad thing is that even if Paul Davis were to somehow miraculously beat Sam Brownback this November, the state legislature is almost certainly going to be just as conservative as it is today. All of the disastrous policies they've put into place, including the ridiculous tax cut package and the requirement that Medicaid expansion receive future legislative approval, are going to stick around for many years to come.

/unless we just nuke the state dry

Again, the whole state has the population of an average metropolitan area of many cities. The entire 2.2 people could be relocated with subsidies. Kansas would then be a huge solar/wind farm.

I know full well about Kansas's population given that I've lived here for almost seven years now.

Still, it blows my mind. That's a lot of room out there with not that many folks. And yet an even smaller handful of derp controls it.

/family comes from SE KS
//lived in Parsons as a kid

I lived in parsons for a while, too. moved there with my ex-wife after I got out of the military. congrats on escaping.

BSABSVR: ongbok: BSABSVR: We tried planning shiat, but then we were accused of furthering Agenda 21. So now if we want a bike path we have to pretend that we just accidentally made it happen. shiat! There's 8 feet of unused space along the boundary of this park and leading to the street? Well, I suppose we ought to just barf some asphalt there for no reason at all.

What the hell did Agenda 21 have to do with urban planning? These people always try to claim that what ever they don't want approved is an attempt to push Agenda 21.

The real Agenda 21 was basically a statement saying "hey, the world can't only consist of factories and sprawl, just FYI."

the GOP has taken that to mean any type of urban planning at all.  Bike paths,  energy efficient condos, zoning?  All farking sinister.

Imagine a world run by GaryPDX.

I just did, and now I can't sleep. It's all your fault. I hope you're happy.

IP: What's the matter with Kansas?

They're the descendants of people who rode out and their wagon broke down, and they were too dumb or lazy to fix it, so that's where they stayed.

/ You don't think people set out for Wichita, do you?

Victoly: IP: What's the matter with Kansas?

They're the descendants of people who rode out and their wagon broke down, and they were too dumb or lazy to fix it, so that's where they stayed.

/ You don't think people set out for Wichita, do you?

I recognize the paraphrased Gallagher joke, but I wonder why the Koch brothers live in Wichita.

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