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2014-05-16 01:27:40 PM
This thread is relevant to my interests...at least from a strictly academic point of view...
 
2014-05-16 05:53:27 PM
The fake app, which was available for 149 rubles ...

Pffft. There's your clue right there. Rubles aren't real money. Rubes.
 
2014-05-16 06:20:17 PM

Danger Avoid Death: The fake app, which was available for 149 rubles ...

Pffft. There's your clue right there. Rubles aren't real money. Rubes.


i2.wp.com
 
2014-05-16 06:24:21 PM
Microsoft phone version is selling because it's one of the only apps available.
They have nothing else to buy.
 
2014-05-16 06:36:45 PM
What's the difference between Anti-virus software and Malware?


No seriously, what's the difference?
 
2014-05-16 06:41:22 PM
I don't download anything that doesn't have less than 10k prior downloads
 
2014-05-16 06:50:16 PM
*more than...
/long week
 
2014-05-16 06:52:22 PM
It's pretty common knowledge that you don't need a AV with WP since it pretty locked down. Android is different since the answer to every problem(from powerusers) is to root your phone to sideload crap, that can open up you to all types of crazy shiat.
 
2014-05-16 07:58:29 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's pretty common knowledge that you don't need a AV with WP since it pretty locked down. Android is different since the answer to every problem(from powerusers) is to root your phone to sideload crap, that can open up you to all types of crazy shiat.


Rooting your phone isn't the problem.  The real problem is apps demanding far too many privileges to run.  This gets people used to just saying "ok" without paying attention when that screen pops up.  You just gave your fruit game the rights to change system settings.  That will end well.

The shiatty (non-existent) review process for apps is also to blame.  Here's a simple rule.  If it's russian or chinese, no farking way.
 
2014-05-16 08:25:55 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's pretty common knowledge that you don't need a AV with WP since it pretty locked down. Android is different since the answer to every problem(from powerusers) is to root your phone to sideload crap, that can open up you to all types of crazy shiat.


My company forces us to download mobileiron and avast. So far it's been a couple months and they haven't noticed I removed avast. Guess mobileiron doesn't do much.
 
2014-05-16 08:31:40 PM
DCentral1 is an ok app (but only in the "flogging a dead horse" sense) for scanning app privileges which is already being done with user acceptance before install.

/I like how (John) McAfee seems to still hate Sophos and gives the app a yello flag.
//Funlove!!!!!
 
2014-05-16 09:27:28 PM

BumpInTheNight: What's the difference between Anti-virus software and Malware?

No seriously, what's the difference?


Malware tries to steal your credit card number.
An anti-virus just asks you for it.
 
2014-05-16 10:07:30 PM
Or you could...you know...be an old fart like me who doesn't put aps on my phone.

Anybody up for a quick game of Boggle?

www.thegameaisle.com
 
2014-05-16 10:13:13 PM

OgreMagi: The real problem is apps demanding far too many privileges to run.


This. Unless these 'anti-virus' apps can prevent specific permissions from being accessed, they aren't tackling the real security issue with android.

I mean for fark sakes, why does yahoo mail need my fine gps location?

I recently switched all my devices (nexus 4/nexus 7) to Cyanogenmod 11 nightlies after Google removed the app ops launcher from 4.3.  The privacy options are awesome, you can selectively block specific permissions on an app-by-app basis again. Battery life has gone up considerably since essentially denying location services to everything except maps. Saves me the trouble having to disable/enable gps when I need directions.

/No facebook, you cannot read my location, contacts, sms messages, or emails. Not yours.
 
2014-05-17 12:13:01 AM
Does anyone even write actual viruses anymore? It's all trojans, spyware and scams like this these days.
 
2014-05-17 01:58:08 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-17 02:40:58 AM

OgreMagi: The real problem is apps demanding far too many privileges to run.


No. The real problem with Android is that you aren't allowed to decide what privileges apps are allowed to have.

On Android, you either give whoever wrote the app all the privileges they want, or FARK YOU, you can't install it.

iOS asks you if you will grant an app permission the first time it attempts to access your private data. (location, contacts, etc.)

It also allows you to go into the privacy settings and grant or revoke an app's privileges to access your private data at any time.

cdn.imore.com
 
2014-05-17 03:21:04 AM

BullBearMS: OgreMagi: The real problem is apps demanding far too many privileges to run.

No. The real problem with Android is that you aren't allowed to decide what privileges apps are allowed to have.

On Android, you either give whoever wrote the app all the privileges they want, or FARK YOU, you can't install it.

iOS asks you if you will grant an app permission the first time it attempts to access your private data. (location, contacts, etc.)

It also allows you to go into the privacy settings and grant or revoke an app's privileges to access your private data at any time.

[cdn.imore.com image 320x480]


I am forced to agree.  You can get that functionality on a droid.  You have to root your phone (which is technically illegal, fark them, it's my phone and I'll root it if I want) and install the cyanogen package to get that control. Control I should have straight out of the damn box.
 
2014-05-17 03:38:06 AM

zulius: I don't download anything that doesn't have less than 10k prior downloads


FTFA: "..."the Android version of the app was downloaded over 10,000 times and made it into several "top paid" lists before being identified as a fraud."
 
2014-05-17 05:21:43 AM
There was an article recently about the death of Anti-Virus software, in part due to reliable free versions that actually work. Like MSSE. So the solution is simple. Why does Google not simply make their own thing for phones that is either built into Android, or available as an app? I assume all anti virus stuff for phones are fake anyway, but this would kill the demand amongst less cynical people than me.

But yeah, come on people, it's 2014, if you haven't yet learned that anything coming from a site ending .ru or costing rubles is a scam then you deserve what you get. Stick to helping Nigerian princes.
 
2014-05-17 05:24:07 AM

OgreMagi: You have to root your phone (which is technically illegal, fark them, it's my phone and I'll root it if I want)


I'm pretty sure it's legal to root your phone.
 
2014-05-17 05:38:52 AM
I love my walled garden.
 
2014-05-17 09:03:31 AM

YodaBlues: OgreMagi: The real problem is apps demanding far too many privileges to run.

This. Unless these 'anti-virus' apps can prevent specific permissions from being accessed, they aren't tackling the real security issue with android.

I mean for fark sakes, why does yahoo mail need my fine gps location?

I recently switched all my devices (nexus 4/nexus 7) to Cyanogenmod 11 nightlies after Google removed the app ops launcher from 4.3.  The privacy options are awesome, you can selectively block specific permissions on an app-by-app basis again. Battery life has gone up considerably since essentially denying location services to everything except maps. Saves me the trouble having to disable/enable gps when I need directions.

/No facebook, you cannot read my location, contacts, sms messages, or emails. Not yours.


But CM11m6 sucks balls stability wise. Random notification drawer crashes (annoying) and freezes needing battery pull every two or three days (major PITA). Don't known if I'll stick with it until m7 in a couple of weeks or flash back m5 (which was super solid)... backup and restore never goes well for me for some reason.

/galaxy nexus
 
2014-05-17 09:15:32 AM

sotua: YodaBlues: OgreMagi: The real problem is apps demanding far too many privileges to run.

This. Unless these 'anti-virus' apps can prevent specific permissions from being accessed, they aren't tackling the real security issue with android.

I mean for fark sakes, why does yahoo mail need my fine gps location?

I recently switched all my devices (nexus 4/nexus 7) to Cyanogenmod 11 nightlies after Google removed the app ops launcher from 4.3.  The privacy options are awesome, you can selectively block specific permissions on an app-by-app basis again. Battery life has gone up considerably since essentially denying location services to everything except maps. Saves me the trouble having to disable/enable gps when I need directions.

/No facebook, you cannot read my location, contacts, sms messages, or emails. Not yours.

But CM11m6 sucks balls stability wise. Random notification drawer crashes (annoying) and freezes needing battery pull every two or three days (major PITA). Don't known if I'll stick with it until m7 in a couple of weeks or flash back m5 (which was super solid)... backup and restore never goes well for me for some reason.

/galaxy nexus


I'm running nightlies, not milestones, and on my Nexus 4 and nexus 7 and it has been rock solid. Maybe give one of them a try?
 
2014-05-17 09:20:07 AM

Stone Meadow: Or you could...you know...be an old fart like me who doesn't put aps on my phone.

Anybody up for a quick game of Boggle?

[www.thegameaisle.com image 400x259]


Nah, but I'm always up for a game of Cards against Humanity.

This is actually a bookmark.
 
2014-05-17 10:56:15 AM

Slaxl: There was an article recently about the death of Anti-Virus software, in part due to reliable free versions that actually work. Like MSSE. So the solution is simple. Why does Google not simply make their own thing for phones that is either built into Android, or available as an app? I assume all anti virus stuff for phones are fake anyway, but this would kill the demand amongst less cynical people than me.

But yeah, come on people, it's 2014, if you haven't yet learned that anything coming from a site ending .ru or costing rubles is a scam then you deserve what you get. Stick to helping Nigerian princes.


well, sure

but reality also says your average person doesn't want to deal with something that allows that all the time, everywhere they go
 
2014-05-17 02:27:45 PM

Slaxl: OgreMagi: You have to root your phone (which is technically illegal, fark them, it's my phone and I'll root it if I want)

I'm pretty sure it's legal to root your phone.


It's not legal unless you get your carriers permission.    Google is your friend.
 
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2014-05-17 02:37:57 PM

OgreMagi: Slaxl: OgreMagi: You have to root your phone (which is technically illegal, fark them, it's my phone and I'll root it if I want)

I'm pretty sure it's legal to root your phone.

It's not legal unless you get your carriers permission.    Google is your friend.


Yes, Google is your friend

"The legal shield for jailbreaking and rooting your phone remains up - it'll protect us at least through 2015.".

Unlocking requires carrier permission. Rooting does not.
 
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