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(Washington Post)   All that fish oil you're consuming? Well, if you're consuming it because you love, love, love it, then everything's peachy. If you're consuming it for that whole "protect against heart disease" thing, well, then, I've got some bad news for you   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 92
    More: Fail, heart disease, fish oils, health association, Language interpretation, confirmation bias, blood fats, Jerry Fodor, Inuit  
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2014-05-16 12:18:40 PM
I'm consuming it because it makes my pelt shiny.
 
2014-05-16 12:44:00 PM
I've been taking these for years (4 a day, doctors orders) because when in close conversation with coworkers I like to let out a burp and wait for the reaction.

/fun times
 
2014-05-16 12:57:32 PM
What about if you're taking it for joint pain and/or rheumatoid arthritis?

Or if you are taking chemo for advanced nonsmall cell lung cancer?

I'm not a huge fan of alternative medicine (read: I think the people that do it are idiots), but I  am a fan of science. Which suggests there are many benefits.

Although NOT if you are pregnant or nursing. Unless you want to give your kid allergies and eczema.
 
2014-05-16 12:59:51 PM
My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.
 
2014-05-16 01:18:56 PM
I take it (and I'm being serious here) to lessen the viscosity of my eyeball goop.

/I also have to milk my eyelids a couple times a day... which sounds grosser than it really is.
 
2014-05-16 01:20:23 PM

mod3072: My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.


Also, my burps have never tasted yummier.  But yeah, it did the trick on my triglycerides too.
Mega-niacin doses really sucked.
 
2014-05-16 01:22:39 PM

whistleridge: What about if you're taking it for joint pain and/or rheumatoid arthritis?

Or if you are taking chemo for advanced nonsmall cell lung cancer?

I'm not a huge fan of alternative medicine (read: I think the people that do it are idiots), but I  am a fan of science. Which suggests there are many benefits.

Although NOT if you are pregnant or nursing. Unless you want to give your kid allergies and eczema

ichthyosis.
 
2014-05-16 01:35:59 PM
Last month, an article published in the Canadian Journal of Cardiology posited just that. The study, authored by four scientists led by George J. Fodor

FODOR!!!
 
2014-05-16 01:41:04 PM
Good.  Fish is getting too expensive.
 
2014-05-16 01:41:26 PM

mod3072: My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.


Where do you think your doc got the advice from?
 
2014-05-16 01:41:32 PM
FYI, Inuit and Eskimo are not interchangeable terms.  At best, Eskimos are the Inupik, Innuviat, and Aleuts of the western Arctic.  Aboriginals from the eastern arctic are mostly Inuit.  This includes Greenland.

/the more you know
 
2014-05-16 01:42:14 PM
I take it so I can use my pee to lubricate my bike chain.
 
2014-05-16 01:43:03 PM

Diogenes: whistleridge: What about if you're taking it for joint pain and/or rheumatoid arthritis?

Or if you are taking chemo for advanced nonsmall cell lung cancer?

I'm not a huge fan of alternative medicine (read: I think the people that do it are idiots), but I  am a fan of science. Which suggests there are many benefits.

Although NOT if you are pregnant or nursing. Unless you want to give your kid allergies and eczema ichthyosis.


Sounds fishy to me.
 
2014-05-16 01:44:16 PM

elvisaintdead: mod3072: My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.

Also, my burps have never tasted yummier.  But yeah, it did the trick on my triglycerides too.
Mega-niacin doses really sucked.


My dad was taking niacin, turned him red like a lobster for about half an hour, crazy to see it.
 
2014-05-16 01:44:17 PM
CAD is dead.  LONG LIVE REVIT!

/also eat fish instead of sucking on it's precious bodily fluids
 
2014-05-16 01:44:54 PM

mod3072: My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.


People who take Fish Oil and no other medication, see a definitive decline in triglyceride levels. That is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. Ive experienced this first hand. I believe what the tests say not some BS article. Why all the hate for vitamins lately? I take B, D, C, Fish Oil on the advice of my doc. I have a noticeable Vit D deficiency esp. in winter and I take some and guess what... no more deficiency.

/its science
 
2014-05-16 01:45:10 PM
Guess I'll stick with bacon grease.
 
2014-05-16 01:46:30 PM

Smeggy Smurf: CAD is dead.  LONG LIVE REVIT!

/also eat fish instead of sucking on it's precious bodily fluids


Why not both?

/Fap..
 
2014-05-16 01:46:44 PM
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2014-05-16 01:47:00 PM
I have a friend who became an ichthyologist. When he told people what he did for a living, he'd often get a ''wazzat' query. So now he just says he's a fishologist.
Most people are stupid.
 
2014-05-16 01:48:20 PM
There is no way to make salmon taste good. So I'm happy.
 
2014-05-16 01:50:36 PM
So, a poorly done study showed that correlation does not equal causation.

Who knew?
 
2014-05-16 01:51:27 PM
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2014-05-16 01:52:16 PM
I use it to scare off heroic warriors with my fishy breath.
 
2014-05-16 01:52:40 PM

Evil Mackerel: Smeggy Smurf: CAD is dead.  LONG LIVE REVIT!

/also eat fish instead of sucking on it's precious bodily fluids

Why not both?

/Fap..


Because using CAD in Revit means you need your ass kicked
 
2014-05-16 01:54:25 PM
The way to a healthy lifestyle doesn't reside in an OTC pill.

//Offer varies with prescription meds.
 
2014-05-16 01:58:37 PM

mod3072: My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.


Sugar gets converted to triglycerides, so restricting sugar & carbs will reduce your levels as well and target the source of the problem.  Eventually you could probably wean yourself off fish oil supplements and just continue cutting back on sugar & carbs and throw some whole cold-water fatty fish into your diet and ditch the pills.

ymmv
 
2014-05-16 02:00:04 PM
"Eat, Drink & be healthy", 2001 edition, p75 (ED NOTE: this is a textbook used by GWU students studying biochemistry):

OM-3 fatty acids "are essential fats, meaning ones that your body cant make from scratch or from rearranging other fats [as can be done to construct OM-6 & OM-9s], and they are needed for normal functions. You have to get n-3[OM-3] acids from food... What makes n-3 fatty acids so special? For one thing, they are important components of cell membranes throughout the body, especially in the eye, the brain, and sperm cells. For another, they are the raw materials from which some hormones are made..."

So let's not flush all the fish oil just yet, just stop using it as a heart-health supplement.

// my former roommate's dog used to BEG for fish oil caps
// and had a healthy coat, so there's that as well
 
2014-05-16 02:01:14 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT:  Why all the hate for vitamins lately?


Probably because it's the latest thing for people to biatch about. I take certain vitamins because they help me. For instance, my doctor suggested I take a vitamin B complex to help with PMS issues. She also suggested evening primrose oil for breast pain associated with PMS and menses. And I live in Minnesota, so vitamin D is a definite must.
 
2014-05-16 02:02:43 PM

unyon: FYI, Inuit and Eskimo are not interchangeable terms.  At best, Eskimos are the Inupik, Innuviat, and Aleuts of the western Arctic.  Aboriginals from the eastern arctic are mostly Inuit.  This includes Greenland.

/the more you know


So all these years my mom was lying to me when she told me I was getting Eskimo pie because she made the stuff out of frozen Inuits.
 
2014-05-16 02:02:47 PM

meat0918: The way to a healthy lifestyle doesn't reside in an OTC pill.

//Offer varies with prescription meds.


Unless you're genetically predisposed to certain conditions, regardless of how little of certain things you eat or how much of certain other things you eat. Then the OTC pills (like fish oil) might be of benefit. (I have two uncles who supplement with fish oil and certain vitamins and their docs say tests show it's improved their cardiac health and minimized the risk of the cancer that killed their brothers. My grandfather had multiple heart attacks despite being in good physical shape, limiting his red meat consumption, and having low overall cholesterol. So, there is that to keep in mind.)

I take fish oil as well as supplement with Vit D on my doctor's recommendation. Tests show that it has lowered my triglycerides and improved results of other tests (God only knows what that woman runs). So if the doc is happy, so am I.
 
2014-05-16 02:06:06 PM
I've heard that krill oil is actually better for you (plus doesn't have that taste of, well, fish and oil), but then again most of my meat consumption (about 50%) is fish. So I haven't bothered with fish oil in years. It did, however, make my burps and poops smell quite raunchy.
 
2014-05-16 02:09:59 PM

AlanSmithee: Most people are stupid. don't give a fark about dead languages like latin.


FTFY
 
2014-05-16 02:13:20 PM
There's a lot of politics that go into all of these studies you read on the internet.  All I do know is that when I don't take fish oil, my blood work doesn't come back as nice as when I do.
 
2014-05-16 02:13:47 PM
TFA states:

The new findings do not discredit decades of research that show fish oil is part of a healthy diet. But they do raise questions about Dyerberg's early research.

Reading comprehension, how does it work?
 
2014-05-16 02:15:33 PM

whistleridge: What about if you're taking it for joint pain and/or rheumatoid arthritis?

Or if you are taking chemo for advanced nonsmall cell lung cancer?

I'm not a huge fan of alternative medicine (read: I think the people that do it are idiots), but I  am a fan of science. Which suggests there are many benefits.

Although NOT if you are pregnant or nursing. Unless you want to give your kid allergies and eczema.


Thread over.
 
2014-05-16 02:15:52 PM

kling_klang_bed: I've heard that krill oil is actually better for you


Krill are a major food for a lot of the bigger animals in Antarctica, like penguins and seals. The demand for krill oil is starting to pose a real threat to them. It's probably better to get your omega 3 from fish oil or algae (fish don't make omega-3, they get it from eating algae).
 
2014-05-16 02:17:30 PM

WizardofToast: I use it to scare off heroic warriors with my fishy breath.


Ya, that doesn't work with the herring breathed Vikings.
 
2014-05-16 02:18:19 PM
Cod liver oil > fish oil
 
2014-05-16 02:18:51 PM

Dr Dreidel: "Eat, Drink & be healthy", 2001 edition, p75 (ED NOTE: this is a textbook used by GWU students studying biochemistry):

OM-3 fatty acids "are essential fats, meaning ones that your body cant make from scratch or from rearranging other fats [as can be done to construct OM-6 & OM-9s], and they are needed for normal functions. You have to get n-3[OM-3] acids from food... What makes n-3 fatty acids so special? For one thing, they are important components of cell membranes throughout the body, especially in the eye, the brain, and sperm cells. For another, they are the raw materials from which some hormones are made..."

So let's not flush all the fish oil just yet, just stop using it as a heart-health supplement.

// my former roommate's dog used to BEG for fish oil caps
// and had a healthy coat, so there's that as well


I've taken them for a long time for joints and they help a lot.  When I first got my dog she would eat so I figured hey I'll pop a fish oil on there and make her food nice and stinky.  Worked like a charm.  I read it was good for their coats and skin and she still get's a "fishy" every morning.  She usually takes it as a treat over to her doggy bed (where all the best treats get eaten).  If she doesn't eat her breakfast first thing in the morning, she always picks out the fish oil first to eat later.  What I'm saying is my dog also likes it.
 
2014-05-16 02:19:10 PM
I knew something was fishy about it.
 
2014-05-16 02:19:28 PM
And for those of you that like peer review, JAMA came to the same conclusions (that fish oil doesn't improve heart-health, according to their measures) in August 2012.

"Overall, omega-3 PUFA supplementation was not associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality, cardiac death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, or stroke based on relative and absolute measures of association."
 
2014-05-16 02:22:25 PM
If you want to truly help your heart, then the trick is stop being a fatass and take a god damn walk once in a while.  That's about a billion times more effective than taking fish pills.
 
2014-05-16 02:22:32 PM
Headline and almost the entire article: "Fish oil is a hoax".

Reality, admitted in one and only one sentence in the entire article:

"The new findings do not discredit decades of research that show fish oil is part of a healthy diet. "


In other words, the first study was flawed; most of the follow-on studies were not.

/Science - it's what's for dinner
 
2014-05-16 02:24:49 PM
I've been taking fish oil caplets for about a year now.  I've been focusing more on the DHA than the EPA though.

Anecdotally:
- It's done some good for my joints.
- It seems to have improved my memory.
- I've also had reduced adult acne.

Since it doesn't hurt and might help, I've no reason to stop taking it.

/The acne thing has been really a selling point to my teen children.  At least once they figured out that it did work for them.
//Your mileage may vary. Apparently the fish oil/acne thing only works on about half of the people who take it.
 
2014-05-16 02:25:10 PM

haolegirl: elvisaintdead: mod3072: My doctor just told me to start taking the stuff 2 days ago to help lower my triglycerides. I think for now I'll stick to my doctor's advice over a random article on the Internet.

Also, my burps have never tasted yummier.  But yeah, it did the trick on my triglycerides too.
Mega-niacin doses really sucked.

My dad was taking niacin, turned him red like a lobster for about half an hour, crazy to see it.


My mom took niacin for her cholesterol and it worked great (doctor's orders).

However, you need to purchase the "no-flush" type to avoid the lobster-red face.
 
2014-05-16 02:29:36 PM
It also has mercury in it like all fish, and there are no levels testing.

First heard the health claims were bogus by someone saying the entire thing was cooked up to make money from fish oil that would otherwise be thrown away.
 
2014-05-16 02:34:24 PM

J. Frank Parnell: It also has mercury in it like all fish, and there are no levels testing.


Mercury binds to proteins though, so you're much more at risk eating a piece of tuna than you are getting pure fish fat.
 
2014-05-16 02:37:39 PM

whistleridge: Although NOT if you are pregnant or nursing. Unless you want to give your kid allergies and eczema.


hardinparamedic: Thread over.


Did either of you read the page you linked to? Hint: The way the article caption is written is normal for a scientific journal and it doesn't mean what you think it means. You're going to have to read the rest.
 
2014-05-16 02:39:37 PM

BafflerMeal: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 724x1012]


Side effects may include nausea, diarrhea, and the Innsmouth Look.
 
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